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[08:00] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:41] <netrunner> moin from spb
[08:41] <blindcoder> moin from bln
[09:32] <fake> moing from vie
[09:33] <netrunner> stupid small upstream voip hacking something.
[10:03] <daja77> moin
[10:04] <blindcoder> moin daja77 
[10:06] <daja77> moin blindy
[10:11] <fake> netrunner: huh?
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[11:32] <esden> hi all
[11:48] <netrunner> fake: the sound that arrives here is crackled, what I say comes clear.
[11:48] <netrunner> fake: I guess it's my slower upstream.
[12:05] <fake> esden: i'm currently programming a chat system - and i'm being paid for it ;)
[12:05] <fake> esden: it's just for a training though
[12:05] <fake> netrunner: when your voice arrives clear, how can it be the upstream?
[12:05] <esden> fake: lol
[12:05] <esden> web chat?
[12:08] <daja77> with lots of colorful smileys
[12:09] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[12:11] <fake> esden: no
[12:11] <fake> esden: telnet ;)
[12:12] <fake> esden: it's for some folks wanting to learn java. i thought it's fun if the 'goal' of the lesson is to be able to chat with the other guys in the training...
[12:18] Action: fake -> hamham
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[12:21] <esden> hehe ;) yes chat is a nice way to learn network programming ... too
[12:22] <esden> the first step would be an echo server
[12:23] <blindcoder> heh
[12:23] <blindcoder> esden: you talk to me today?
[12:27] <blindcoder> hmm
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[12:48] <esden> blindcoder: yes ... sorry
[12:48] <esden> I am bit dusturbed by coding a fibonacci number calculator with bc ;)
[12:50] <esden> and yesterday my network was dying every second >_<
[12:52] <blindcoder> esden: okay. You do know that apollo will be shut down at the end of the month?
[12:52] <esden> yes from you
[12:52] <esden> noone else told me about this fact 
[12:53] <esden> I have to go now ... be back
[12:53] <blindcoder> esden: well, the discussion stands since november/december
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[13:01] <DLCool> Hi All :)
[13:01] <blindcoder> moin DLCool 
[13:09] <DLCool> sorry, I asked alredy, but problem still here: can't connect to ADSL
[13:10] <DLCool> modem Zyxel Prestige 630-C1 has started, atm0 interface started too, but no ping
[13:12] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:12] <blindcoder> sorry, I have no experience with atm
[13:12] <DLCool> may be wrong parameters of interface ? I set only IP, gw and nameserver.
[13:12] <blindcoder> maybe you best try asking on the -user mailinglist
[13:13] <fake> or on some adsl+atm help specific channel/list...
[13:15] <DLCool> I found only PPP over ethernet help :(
[13:16] <blindcoder> well, ADSL is usually realized with pppoe
[13:17] <DLCool> I have routed/bridged settings in windows.
[13:17] <DLCool> Can I chek if my modem works wright ?
[13:19] <fake> if it works in windows...
[13:19] <DLCool> There is no official linux support of my modem and I don't know if all right.
[13:22] <DLCool> Anybody knows ADSL modems test utilities ?
[13:24] <fake> if it works in windows, it's most likely not the modems fault, if that's what you are worried about
[13:27] <DLCool> ATM settings ?
[13:28] <fake> dude, this is a distribution build kit developer channel, not an advanced network configuration help desk ;)
[13:30] <DLCool> Sorry, never more :)
[13:36] <DLCool> And will be kernel 2.6.10 and higher in stable version ?
[13:38] <daja77> guess so
[13:38] Action: daja77 hides
[13:39] <th> yea DLCool, daja77 always does good work when it comes to kernel updates for stable
[13:43] <daja77> ^^
[13:45] <th> apropos - daja77 how is the kernel update going?
[13:45] <th> ;-p
[13:46] <daja77> ah damn it the bug that fake found is simple ...
[13:46] <daja77> th: :-PPP
[14:07] <fake> huh?
[14:34] <daja77> digikam-plugins
[14:35] <daja77> it needs to be built after digikam but got  the same priority
[14:35] <clifford> daja77: 'sm send' a fix _now_ so I can include it in my journal (build is already running)
[14:39] <fake> daja77: are you sure? i re-built it almost 5 times..
[14:39] <daja77> clifford: done
[14:39] <daja77> fake: it build here with emerge-pkg
[14:39] <daja77> fake: both had the same 211.900
[14:39] <fake> daja77: you play with getting beaten up by me the next i see you ;-)
[14:40] <fake> daja77: emerge-pkg doesn't replicate a reference build situation
[14:40] <fake> daja77: i re-built the finished, failed build (removed error logs, started build-target again)
[14:40] <fake> daja77: so any dependency/build order related problems shouldn't have mattered
[14:41] <clifford> daja77: it is in.
[14:42] <daja77> I do not trust build_target reruns ...
[14:46] <daja77> fake: do you have an errlog perhaps?
[14:52] <fake> daja77: already deleted :(
[14:52] <fake> i needed to reinstall my workstation
[14:53] <daja77> damn ;)
[14:56] <fake> daja77: maybe it works
[14:56] Action: daja77 doing the sm sync dance
[14:56] <daja77> i hope so
[14:56] <fake> http://lan.linux-gamers.net/index.php
[14:57] <fake> cool
[14:57] <fake> a linux gaming lan in ingolstadt...
[15:05] <daja77> subversion with german l10n is strange
[15:42] <blindcoder> anything with german i18n is strange
[15:42] <blindcoder> starting with mount and ending with mozilla
[15:43] <daja77> hehe indeed
[15:56] <daja77> d'oh
[15:58] <daja77> guess the fillets lua problem is due priorities too
[16:06] <fake> is there a lua package?
[16:09] <daja77> yes
[16:10] <daja77> one from blindy
[16:10] <daja77> I already shipped the game with one cd set ;)
[16:13] <fake> oh.
[16:14] <fake> i thought there is none, maybe i missed it
[16:15] <daja77> before clt I packaged all game dependencies that were missing, it gave me headaches ;)
[16:19] <daja77> unfortunately there is no sane fix for dangerdeep atm
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[16:24] Action: daja77 likes the new trunk version tag
[16:24] <mnemoc> how was it tagged?
[16:25] <daja77> as TRUNK
[16:25] <mnemoc> :)
[16:25] <daja77> -> Running ROCK Linux TRUNK configuration ...
[16:25] <daja77> looks nice
[16:25] <mnemoc> is that a first step for a 2.1-2.2 branch?
[16:26] <daja77> i hope so
[16:26] <daja77> but this change was the result from the mailinglist
[16:28] <mnemoc> uhm.. i didn't noticed.. but checking mail on 640x480 via webmail isn't friendly
[16:28] <daja77> indeed
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[16:54] <busfahrer> Excuse me, did I understand it correctly that ROCK Linux does not provide any form of installation CD images, I just need a bootable CD like (e.g.) Knoppix so I can chroot onto the harddisk and compile there?
[16:55] <daja77> there are installable rocklinux images
[16:56] <busfahrer> There is "buildbootstrap", "crystal" and "rescue". Since I am new to ROCK, I'd like to try the "default" way first, but I'm not sure what it is.
[17:10] <daja77> that depends on what you need
[17:11] <fake> busfahrer: crystal is the generic distribution (development version, nearing release)
[17:13] Action: daja77 kicking glibc
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[17:18] <daja77> seems i have to rediff one of my patches and hoping that it will build afterwards for hppa
[17:18] <busfahrer> Well, I just wondered what the vanilla way is to install ROCK.
[17:19] <daja77> pick up a crystal iso and go for it
[17:20] <busfahrer> OK, thanks.
[17:20] <daja77> hm wondering if th made my latest crystal available
[17:21] <busfahrer> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/2.0-stable/2.0.3/crystal-emu/
[17:21] <busfahrer> why "emu"?
[17:21] <daja77> because there is no crystal for stable
[17:22] <busfahrer> Hmm OK.
[17:22] <daja77> hm no
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[17:25] <fake> busfahrer: it depends if you want 2.0 stable or the latest and greatest
[17:26] <busfahrer> Hmm I guess for the first try I'll stick with stable...
[17:26] <daja77> .oO (fail glibc fail, i want to fix you)
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[18:20] <daja77> fake: are you here?
[18:42] <fake> daja77: yes
[18:57] <busfahrer> Have you guys been at the 21c3?
[18:58] <mnemoc> ROCK is an institution on *c3 :)
[18:58] <busfahrer> I noticed. :-P
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[19:10] <owl> moin
[19:11] <SteffenP> hi owl
[19:12] <owl> hi steffenp 
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[19:19] <daja77> fake: d#oh had to leave, now i am at my granny's so i#ll be back later
[19:34] <blindcoder> rehi
[19:35] <blindcoder> damn damn damn
[19:35] <blindcoder> now I have this shiny new 16x DVD Writer and my DVD-Rs are only 4x :(
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[19:58] <owl> blindcoder: you need a gf, then you know what are real problems
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[19:58] <fake> owl: got any offers?
[19:59] <owl> fake: huh? offers? job offers or what do you mean?
[19:59] <blindcoder> owl: gf offers
[20:00] <owl> blindcoder, fake: *kick* yes, but after that i canceled the contact with those "friends" *pukes*
[20:02] <fake> owl: i don't care, hand them all over
[20:03] <owl> fake: hehehe. you want a 26 year old pet-loving (has some horses, rabbits and co) and looking like a 12 year old child-woman who sees the world with pink glasses?
[20:07] <fake> why not?
[20:08] <owl> fake: aehm. you must be kidding.
[20:09] <fake> owl: no?
[20:09] <fake> owl: not dating someone doesn't increase chances, you know
[20:10] <owl> fake: you're shocking me. and: you're in .de again, no?
[20:10] <fake> owl: nope, what makes you think that?
[20:11] <owl> fake: well. this women wants a man (if she really wants men? - but i don't think so) who is near her, who is horse-back-riding
[20:21] Action: blindcoder hands out wasabi coated grean peas
[20:24] <owl> blindcoder: hrm. you remind me that i had no 'krabbenchips' since nov. 04 *grmpf*
[20:24] <blindcoder> heh
[20:24] <blindcoder> mhat was on nov 04?
[20:25] <owl> nothing, but my last "i want those chips and have time-to-eat"-session :p
[20:25] <blindcoder> ah
[20:26] <owl> .oO( this reminds me,  that my breakfast was about 8 hours ago. gnarf. bbl - getting - ziegelstein-broetchen)
[20:27] <fake> horseback riding is not open for discussion.
[20:31] <blindcoder> heh
[20:31] <blindcoder> it's a given then? *runs*
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[20:33] <owl> fake: why? ;) 
[20:35] <fake> me and horses have a strict chain-of-food-like relationship. horses eat hay. i eat horses.
[20:35] <blindcoder> heh
[20:35] <fake> we can re-evaluate that after the global thermonuclear war, when there's no gasoline or other transportation infrastructure anymore. until then - yummy.
[20:36] <owl> fake: *kick* have you ever tried horseback-ridigin? ;)
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[20:40] <owl> blindcoder: btw, you need to auth me at skype please...
[20:40] <blindcoder> hrm, just a moment
[20:41] <owl> thx ;)
[20:41] <blindcoder> owl: I don't see anything from you
[20:41] <owl> that's strange.
[20:42] <blindcoder> okay, done
[20:42] <owl> oki. thx 
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[20:55] <owl> O_o busfahrer? wtf is going on here?
[20:55] <owl> .oO( rock got a own bus? *cough* )
[20:58] <blindcoder> heh
[20:58] <blindcoder> the ROCKBus :D
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[21:42] <daja77> wish me luck ...
[21:42] <blindcoder> what for?
[21:42] <daja77> glibc for hppa again
[21:43] <owl> hi daja77. good luck :)
[21:43] <blindcoder> good luck (you'll need it)
[21:43] <daja77> :)
[21:43] <daja77> hi owl
[21:45] <th> <announce> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/2.0-stable/pre-release/pkgs-20040405-generic-crystal_emu-486/ </announce>
[21:46] <th> with kde 3.3.2
[21:46] <th> current HEAD of 2.0-stable
[21:49] <\\\chris> I am in no way affiliated with the ROCKbus.
[21:49] <\\\chris> Oops.
[21:49] Nick change: \\\chris -> busfahrer
[21:49] <busfahrer> That's better.
[21:49] <owl> hehe. why this name, then? ;)
[21:51] <busfahrer> To be honest, I have no idea. But wherever I go, I get good comments on it. That has to be a good sign, no?
[21:52] <daja77> <- has the ROCKBus and fake
[21:52] <daja77> th: great
[21:52] <daja77> th: can you put my crystal iso online as well
[21:54] <owl> busfahrer: lol. 
[21:55] <busfahrer> owl: Many people even spontaneously come up with the busfahrer song from the Simpsons, if you know that.
[21:55] <owl> busfahrer: hm. ok. nope. don't know it...
[21:56] <busfahrer> owl: It goes something like "Ein hoch auf unseren Busfahrer" etc. It's a nice thing to hear ;-)
[21:56] <owl> busfahrer: oaehm. *cough*
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[21:56] <busfahrer> If my plan for earth domination will ever succeed, it will become mandatory to sing this song.
[21:57] <owl> rofl. sometimes i'm glad that normal people have no influence in anything *vbeg*
[21:57] <busfahrer> vbeg?
[21:57] <owl> busfahrer: very big evil grins
[21:57] <busfahrer> :-D
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[22:16] <daja77> now it fails afte 35min, a new error wee, it failed after 10min before ^^
[22:20] <fake> daja77: wee! now it takes even longer to test ;)
[22:20] <daja77> yeah
[22:20] <daja77> isn't that great
[22:21] <daja77> but on the other hand, I found the answer to my question :)
[22:23] <daja77> wuarg a clash with the linux 2.6 kernel headers, I am screwed
[22:24] <daja77> types.h ^^
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[22:40] <th> daja77: i did not put it online?
[22:40] <th> daja77: where should it go?
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[22:41] <th> crystal-2005-03-21_cd1.iso
[22:41] <th> thats online
[22:41] <daja77> th: it should be under unofficial -> daja, haven't found it on that page
[22:42] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/daja/crystal/crystal-2005-03-21_cd1.iso
[22:43] <th> see http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/daja/crystal/
[22:44] <daja77> ah ok it is not in the description file or sth
[22:44] <th> yea - you can send a new info file
[22:44] <th> or let me create subdirs
[22:44] <th> or anytin
[22:44] <th> or anything
[22:45] <daja77> k.
[22:45] <th> ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/ROCK/rocklinux
[22:45] <th> that mirror is OUT OF SYNC
[22:45] <th> still
[22:45] <th> what's up?
[22:45] <th> damn
[22:45] <th> and of course download scripts don't try another mirror if one fails to serve that file
[22:49] <th> http://www.rocklinux.net/mirrors.html
[22:49] <th> last update for nluug was last summer
[22:50] <th> clifford: you around?
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