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[11:30] <onleine> this channel is boring
[11:30] <daja77> it is idle atm ^^
[11:31] <onleine> atm?
[11:33] <daja77> at the moment
[11:35] <onleine> ok
[11:36] <daja77> ppl talk when they like to do it ;)
[13:17] <nookie> hey daja77 :)
[13:18] <daja77> hi nookie! 
[13:18] <nookie> can I query you?
[13:18] <nookie> I hope so :)
[13:18] <daja77> you just did ...
[13:18] <nookie> yes :)
[13:54] <owl> moin
[13:59] <owl> btw, if someone is interested in pics from my homeoffice: http://owl.karnaya.de/private/fotos/homeoffice/
[13:59] <blindcoder> di you have an axe?
[13:59] <blindcoder> owl: ?
[13:59] <owl> blindcoder: ?
[13:59] <owl> hi blindy
[13:59] <blindcoder> owl: do you have an axe?
[14:00] <owl> blindcoder: aehm. do i look like i would have one? ;)
[14:00] <owl> i've just two "tauben" sitting in front of my window
[14:00] <blindcoder> owl: because of the cut-through keyboard :)
[14:00] <blindcoder> doves again?
[14:02] <owl> blindcoder: ah. ;) nah. i'm taking it everytime as "frust-abregierer" and breaking it on my knees.
[14:02] <owl> yeas. e.g. also younger ones i guess..
[14:03] <blindcoder> I see
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[15:19] <owl> so. re
[15:19] <blindcoder> where've you been?
[15:21] <owl> blindcoder: shooting the fotos for the newspaper
[15:21] <owl> why?
[15:25] <blindcoder> just curious
[15:26] Action: blindcoder is bored
[15:26] <owl> blindcoder: hehehe. k.
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[15:26] <owl> and what are you doing, blindy?
[15:26] <owl> btw, read the latest version of the article?
[15:27] <blindcoder> the one you sent me with the typos
[15:27] <blindcoder> hm
[15:28] <blindcoder> trying to find a fix for my coffee machine
[15:28] <blindcoder> playing nethack
[15:28] <blindcoder> playing slashem
[15:28] <owl> hmmm. well... guess it was one of the latest versions...
[15:28] <owl> it was on - friday, yes?
[15:28] <owl> fix for a coffee machine?
[15:28] <blindcoder> yes, friday
[15:28] <owl> well. then it was the latest version ;)
[15:29] <blindcoder> yeah, the coffee is going to the coffeecatcher, not the cup
[15:29] <owl> (ok, there was one with less typos, but content didn't change *g*)
[15:29] <blindcoder> I've found the problem (a "Dichtungsring")
[15:29] <blindcoder> but not a solution
[15:29] <owl> hm. what about buying a new dichtungsring?
[15:30] <blindcoder> yes, but the only shop I found that sells them for 0.19 EUR per piece requires a minimum of 20EUR per 'Bestellung"
[15:30] <owl> hrm. i'm hungry. and we will have dinner at about 19:30 *sigh*
[15:30] <blindcoder> all the other shops don't have replacement parts for my machine
[15:30] <owl> shit. 
[15:30] <blindcoder> I've even been to Bauhaus and looked :/
[15:30] <owl> and what about your local coffee machine-seller?
[15:30] <blindcoder> and in the newer machines this ring is larger
[15:31] <blindcoder> would only send it to the manufacturer
[15:31] <blindcoder> and the warranty ended a few months ago
[15:31] <owl> hrmpf. 
[15:31] <owl> that's crap
[15:31] <blindcoder> yeah
[15:31] <owl> hmmm. ordering the stuff... and selling the rest at ebay? ;)
[15:31] <blindcoder> http://www.saeco-ersatzteile.de/images/medium/317.gif
[15:31] <blindcoder> part 7
[15:32] <owl> oh. it's large. really large. 
[15:32] <blindcoder> :)
[15:32] <blindcoder> it's about 8mm in diameter
[15:32] <blindcoder> 1mm thick
[15:32] <owl> yes. as i said - really large ;p
[15:34] <owl> btw, what about the next available mediamarkt? should they not have it?
[15:35] <blindcoder> they would also just send it to the manufacturer
[15:35] <blindcoder> already asked there :(
[15:36] <blindcoder> the media in Ingolstadt would have the spare part
[15:36] <blindcoder> but I'm in Berlin ;(
[15:36] <owl> ARGHS. mediamkarktservice
[15:36] <owl> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. 
[15:38] <blindcoder> indeed
[15:39] <blindcoder> and a new "Bruehgruppe" is around 95 EUR
[15:39] <blindcoder> for a 20 cent part :(
[15:39] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:39] <blindcoder> there's a shop that has it for 95 cent
[15:40] <blindcoder> and 5,50 EUR delivery :/
[15:40] <owl> ouch.
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[15:41] <blindcoder> well, that's still better than 20 or 95 euro
[15:41] <owl> but - as said: ebay...
[15:41] <owl> yes..
[15:41] <blindcoder> also no useful spare parts there :(
[15:42] <owl> nah. selling the unneded rings ;p
[15:43] <blindcoder> nah, I'd keep them for the next time
[15:44] <blindcoder> I WANT COFFEE, DAMMIT!!!
[15:44] <blindcoder> :(
[15:45] <owl> hmm. well... maybe keeping - hm. maybe keeping 20 rings would be ok, but about 100? O_o
[15:45] <owl> (if you order them at the cheap shop)
[15:45] Action: owl gives blindcoder "instan coffee"
[15:46] <owl> +t
[15:47] <blindcoder> baeh
[15:47] <blindcoder> you trying to kill me?
[15:47] <owl> lol. nah ;)
[15:48] <owl> wasserkocher, filter && normal coffee?
[15:48] <blindcoder> no normal coffee in the house
[15:48] <blindcoder> only beans
[15:48] <owl> hmm. kaffeemuehle?
[15:48] <blindcoder> only in the machine
[15:50] <owl> grmpf
[15:50] <owl> but - this part works, doesnt it?
[15:51] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:51] <blindcoder> yes..
[15:51] <blindcoder> but to get the grinded coffee I'd have to open the side and take out the bruehgruppe, and the machine refuses to work then
[15:52] <owl> well... try it :p
[15:52] <blindcoder> a breaker somewhere deep in the machine where I can't reach with a tool
[15:52] <owl> why refuses to work?
[15:52] <owl> aaaaaaargs
[15:52] <blindcoder> yeah :(
[15:52] <blindcoder> I could put the beans into the filter and then apply a hammer
[15:52] <owl> .oO( hammer... )
[15:52] <owl> lol
[15:52] <owl> yes
[16:04] <owl> hrm
[16:04] <owl> grillhaehnchen. wellis
[16:04] <blindcoder> an guadn
[16:05] <owl> thx
[16:05] <owl> but i first have to "rupfen" them
[16:05] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:09] <owl> not funny ;)
[16:09] <owl> but - iguess i will cook them tomorrow ;)
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[18:13] <blindcoder> hmpf
[18:13] <blindcoder> now I know why my mail didn't log anything anymore
[18:13] <blindcoder> I forgot to HUP sysklogd after my rootfs was out of space a month ago
[18:17] Action: netrunner found a nice picture viewer: gwenview
[18:17] <netrunner> http://gwenview.sourceforge.net/
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[19:53] <veki> hello, I have never tried RockLinux, but I think that it can be very helpful.  Is there any how-to  on buidling distro from scratch?
[19:54] <blindcoder> depends on your definition of from scratch
[19:55] <blindcoder> a good spot to start reading might be http://doc.rocklinux.org/
[19:56] <blindcoder> veki: especially http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/BuildingDistributions
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[20:02] <veki> blindcoder, thanks, I  am planning to build specific distros for let say, social institutions with assorted packages etc..  I do not knwo how to do tat, but I hope that I will learn a lot by communication with you guys on this channel :-))  
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[20:02] <blindcoder> veki: you will if you ask questions and wait a bit :)
[20:02] <blindcoder> veki: unfortunately there is as of now no howto on _creating_ a distribution
[20:02] <blindcoder> only on _building_ one
[20:03] <blindcoder> though reading through the existing ones will get you started
[20:03] <blindcoder> the build.sh config.in and preconfig.in are the ones you should have a look at
[20:03] <veki> blindcoder, thanks on correction on term, I am not native English.  But I see that there is a potential in using RockLinux.
[20:04] <blindcoder> well, I'm neither so it should work out :)
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[20:08] <veki> OK, thanks.  I think that your tool is great one.  We will be in touc.  I am president of the board of the Linux center in belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro.  We work alot with NGOs , indepenedent media, social care instiuttions and soon with schools and faculties.
[20:09] <blindcoder> sounds like you're quite busy
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[20:11] <veki> yes, my idea is to use feree software as a tool for democratization.  On eof thsoe very much great tools is I supose RockLinux so you can build distribution that i sspecific for some chool needs of let say ethnic minority, socila care institution, university tasks
[20:12] <blindcoder> yes, that's quite certainly possible
[20:13] <veki> OK, I expect assistance from you. OK?
[20:13] <blindcoder> just ask and people will answer
[20:13] <blindcoder> just have some patience
[20:14] <blindcoder> if necessary, highlight someone specifically if you know that that person is the right to ask
[20:14] <blindcoder> sometimes the mailinglist is faster, though
[20:14] <veki> Ok, i will try to do so.  i will even try to raise some funds to invite someone for a couple of days to train us.  Doe sthis sound good to you?
[20:15] <blindcoder> I'm sure someone would be happy about this :)
[20:16] <blindcoder> just ask that on the mailinglist, I'll also have a look if it somehow fits with my contract
[20:16] <blindcoder> would have to clear that with my boss (stupid contract law)
[20:17] <veki> Oh, thanks.  I would be more than happy to organize seminar for a couple of coders to do so.  there were some attempts here, but it is not so easy  to build general purpose distribution.  I prefer specific for specific purpose i.e. primary school, certain university computer lab etc, media broadcast, firewall etc.
[20:18] <blindcoder> you're telling that to someone who made a distribution for the single purpose of playing nethack :)
[20:20] <veki> possibly, like that also....... I am sorry, I have to go, but I will be back later on.
[20:21] <blindcoder> okay, bye
[20:21] <blindcoder> just remember it's 20:20 here :)
[20:21] <veki> oh, here also....
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[20:21] <blindcoder> as if I'd knew timezones by heart :)
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[21:57] <owl> re
[21:58] <owl> someone saw my "kruecken"?
[21:58] <daja77> only mine
[21:59] <owl> daja77: you have kruecken?
[22:00] <on_leine> owl: you have kruecken?
[22:00] <daja77> yeah sure
[22:01] <owl> on_leine: yes. i 've injured my leg. 
[22:02] <owl> daja77: oh? 
[22:02] <daja77> hm?
[22:02] <owl> daja77: i just didn't know
[22:02] <daja77> kk
[22:03] <on_leine> tell us the whole story
[22:03] <daja77> you could have noticed them @ the devmeeting 
[22:03] <owl> grmpf. hunting (haha - what an irony) kruecken now. brb
[22:03] <owl> daja77: O_o where? 
[22:03] <daja77> i used them
[22:03] <daja77> ingolstadt, you were there :)
[22:03] <on_leine> owl: have you shot your into your leg or what?
[22:08] <owl> on_leine: no. not shot. but - i've injured it the first time some years ago, when a fscking dumb kid (also called "classmate") did one dumb thing - it "stellte mir den fuss" while sports several times, i had about half an year an "sehnenueberdehung/-anriss" and the OP was not far away. then - in 2003 in winter i had an accident at work when i was tired and "habe den fuss umgeknickt" and some weeks with "sehenenueberdehnung". and now - since thursday - i feel pain i
[22:09] <owl> daja77: yes, but - i didn't remark "kruecken" O_o
[22:10] <daja77> in your corner :)
[22:11] <blindcoder> owl in a corner?
[22:11] <owl> daja77: ok, ok - not just injured leg, but also temp. blindness *cough* *cough* sorry ;)
[22:11] <owl> blindcoder: nah, on the grill
[22:12] <owl> *sniff* my budgies are real idiots. they and the doves... 
[22:15] <blindcoder> mhmm, hot owl
[22:16] <owl> blindcoder: nah, roasted owl
[22:16] <blindcoder> cold roasted owl?
[22:16] <owl> blindcoder: nah. ;)
[22:19] <owl> arghs. how to remove an attachment in mutt? O_O
[22:20] <th> d
[22:20] <th> just d
[22:20] <blindcoder> owl: see, hot owl
[22:21] <blindcoder> owl: v to view attachments, d to delete them
[22:21] <th> or D if you are in the compose screen and just attached it
[22:22] <owl> blindcoder, th: thx ;)
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[23:30] <veki> HI,is there big difference between T2 and Rock Linux, i suppose that is very similar.
[23:31] <daja77> t2 is a fork of rocklinux 2.0
[23:31] <veki> OK, so, I suppose that is very similar..
[23:33] <daja77> indeed
[23:37] <veki> Do you have any plans on organizing training seminars on distro building?
[23:40] <daja77> we did some talks on some events like the linuxtag karlsruhe or CCC in berlin
[23:40] <daja77> but commercial trainings we do not have
[23:42] <veki> Maybe, some grant-givers donors are willing to help underserved communities i.e. ethnic minorities to make their own distro and you can help. 
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[23:52] <veki> is there anyone interested to travel and do training seminar on distro building?
[23:53] <daja77> where?
[23:54] <veki> Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro, South east of Europ, South from Hungary..
[23:56] <daja77> well i am writing my diploma atm and cannot travel but please ask on the mailinglist for that
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