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[08:35] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:52] <owl> moin
[09:58] <blindcoder> moin owl
[09:58] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[10:04] <netrunner> moin, 2
[10:05] Action: netrunner restructuring his schedule
[10:06] <daja77> cancelling all and staying in bed?
[10:06] <blindcoder> hehe
[10:07] <owl> nah. that's too much stress... sleeping on the keyboard
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[10:13] <netrunner> daja77: well, cancelled efficient algorithms 2. was blocking 3 other events.
[10:14] <netrunner> stupid thing is that ea2 gives 4+2sws, that's really expensive.
[10:14] <daja77> oh yes
[10:25] Action: netrunner wants to switch to a subject where you get a fixed schedule.
[10:25] <netrunner> but then I had to take economy as main subject :)=
[10:26] <daja77> hehe
[10:30] <th> better go back to school then.
[10:31] <netrunner> this guy has a few interesting kernel patches in his list ... http://kem.p.lodz.pl/~peter/cko/
[10:32] <netrunner> I like the shfs thing.
[10:33] <blindcoder> anyone got experience with one automounter technology or another?
[10:33] <blindcoder> for usbsticks and the like?
[10:33] Action: netrunner uses automount since he uses openvpn
[10:34] <netrunner> no, actually a bit longer.
[10:35] <blindcoder> so if I put in a usbstick a /mnt/stick will be created, an /etc/fstab entry will be created and the device mounted?
[10:36] <netrunner> no. nothing with fstab. it will be mounted when you change into that directory.
[10:36] <netrunner> until then, the directory will be invisible.
[10:37] <blindcoder> that's bad :/
[10:37] <netrunner> why?
[10:37] <blindcoder> because I want it to be mounted when I plug it in
[10:37] <th> blindcoder: most times it is enough for your memory stick to add an fstab entry like /dev/discs/discN/partX /mnt/stick ; with N being number of your real harddrives plus 1
[10:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: just use it. 
[10:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: ls -l /mnt/stick/<tab><tab> gives nothing in that case
[10:37] <fake> moin
[10:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: that is true.
[10:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: but you can do a ln -s /mnt/stick/stick1 /mnt/stick.stick1
[10:38] <blindcoder> th: well, that adds other problems. If I have it plugged in at boot time it will be disc1 and disc2 will be my integrated card reader
[10:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: and then use the latter
[10:38] <fake> blindcoder: subfs ?
[10:38] <blindcoder> th: if I haven't plugged it in at boot time it will be the other way round
[10:38] <blindcoder> fake: where to find?
[10:38] <th> blindcoder: ah
[10:39] <fake> blindcoder: subfs-entry with device node in fstab, on directory open() -> check if a media is availible -> mount, if not: empty directory
[10:40] <fake> http://sourceforge.net/projects/submount/
[10:40] <blindcoder> fake: so if I plug it in it will be mounted?
[10:40] <fake> no
[10:40] <blindcoder> :/
[10:40] <fake> if you open() the directory, it will be mounted
[10:40] <fake> makes no difference, useage-wise
[10:40] <netrunner> blindcoder: why do you want it to be mounted? just plug it in. you can start using it.
[10:41] <blindcoder> well, I'll have to try it
[10:41] <fake> openvpn 2.0 was released
[10:41] <netrunner> fake: I guess he want's to create a virus that spreads when the media is mounted.
[10:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: for my parents and moneypenny
[10:41] <fake> moneypenny? your secretary?
[10:41] <netrunner> blindcoder: again. it mount's itself. just plug and use.
[10:41] <th> fake: his hamster
[10:42] <fake> th: your'e a pervert
[10:42] <fake> ;-)
[10:42] <th> netrunner: how's umount handled than?
[10:42] <th> fake: how so?
[10:42] <netrunner> th: automount: timeout.
[10:42] <netrunner> fake: with subfs?
[10:42] <fake> no idea
[10:42] <fake> i just know it works
[10:42] <blindcoder> http://www3.fh-swf.de/fbin/roth/moneypenny.htm
[10:42] <th> that's far from being enough
[10:43] <fake> though i only tested with r/o media...
[10:43] <netrunner> blindcoder: http://supermount-ng.sourceforge.net/
[10:43] <fake> blindcoder: kewl
[10:45] <blindcoder> fake: indeed. Once that hits 1.0 I can finally get rid of my parents' windows installation
[10:45] <netrunner> fake: submount tries to unmount in 15 second intervals (configurable)
[10:46] <fake> ah, okay
[10:46] <fake> well..
[10:46] <fake> not optimal. but i guess that's why its not in the kernel.
[10:46] <daja77> hm my parents do not have windows 
[10:46] <fake> blindcoder: from a first view this sucks
[10:46] <netrunner> supermount has the advantage that write operations finishe when really everything is written.
[10:46] <blindcoder> daja77: but mine need a hbci software with "geldeinzug"-functionality
[10:46] <fake> blindcoder: hard-coded paths in hard-coded makefiles... you package it ;)
[10:46] <blindcoder> fake: guess I will
[10:46] <th> netrunner: that's like mounting everything sync
[10:47] <netrunner> th: ok.
[10:47] <blindcoder> daja77: and I don't think gnucash can do that
[10:47] <fake> blindcoder: geldeinzug?
[10:47] <fake> blindcoder: what's that for?
[10:47] <daja77> blindcoder: agreed
[10:47] <netrunner> fake: tell him your bancaccount and you'll know *eg*
[10:47] <blindcoder> fake: because my dad's "Kassenwart" for the BSG Motomak e.V.
[10:47] <fake> aaaah
[10:47] <fake> okay
[10:48] <fake> i was thinking about money-insertion ... *douh*
[10:48] <daja77> lol
[10:48] <blindcoder> and since I've converted them to Mozilla and OOo long ago the move to a real OS will be smooth :)
[10:48] <th> fake: through floppy drive
[10:48] <th> i never tried to convert my parents...
[10:49] <daja77> you never installed rock on your parents? ;)
[10:49] <th> no
[10:49] <daja77> :D
[10:49] <th> rock is not yet ported to that arch
[10:50] <fake> th just tried hamsters..
[10:50] <fake> *gg*
[10:50] Action: blindcoder .oO( I did not send that patch yet? )
[10:50] <daja77> hm patch that reminds me
[10:51] <th> blindcoder: you ported rock to human beings?
[10:51] <blindcoder> depends on what you define as human beings
[10:54] <th> i better dont define human beings
[10:54] <blindcoder> :)
[11:33] <fake> blindcoder: i take back my prior rant. one just has to run qmake...
[11:34] Action: daja77 hates scanning ... 
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[11:52] <fake> blindcoder: moneypenny doesn't compile here
[11:52] <fake> blindcoder: databaseaccess.cpp, line 519
[12:00] <blindcoder> fake: failed deps?
[12:03] <fake> blindcoder: no: a string concatenation was missing .c_str();
[12:03] <fake> three, to be correct
[12:04] <blindcoder> ouch
[12:04] <fake> even more
[12:04] <fake> may be a newer qt change..
[12:05] <fake> one return type is wrong...
[12:07] <fake> na, finally it compiles...
[12:08] <blindcoder> great :)
[12:11] <fake> grr
[12:11] <fake> even more errors
[12:11] <fake> seems they first developed it as a std c++ app, and then switched to qt
[12:11] <fake> now qstrings and std::strings are mixed everywhere... argh;
[12:13] <owl> '
[12:14] <blindcoder> sounds nasty
[12:14] <blindcoder> even to a C++-ignorant guy like me :)
[12:17] <fake> boy WHAT a CRAP
[12:17] <fake> definitely written by students!!
[12:21] <blindcoder> heh
[12:21] <blindcoder> don't tell esden that :)
[12:27] <owl> AAAAAAARGH. *having keys "written on head" :( * re
[12:27] <blindcoder> written on head?
[12:27] <fake> esden just didn't notice that he's not a student yet. still not... after he blew it how many times... ?
[12:27] <fake> keys or syek ?\
[12:27] <owl> blindcoder: i must have fall asleep ... at least i woke up lying on my keyboard
[12:28] <blindcoder> fake: being a student? or programming? :)
[12:28] <blindcoder> owl: hihi
[12:28] <fake> blindcoder: he didn't make it in munich. any idea how he's doing in rosenheim?
[12:28] <blindcoder> fake: no, sorry. Hardly have any contact with him since I moved to Berlin
[12:28] <owl> blindcoder: not funny. but the weather's making extremely tired. :(
[12:29] <blindcoder> owl: 100% sunshine here :)
[12:31] <owl> blindcoder: pah. here you can see grey-white clouds, rain falling down the whole fscking day and it's quite cold... (yesterday about 4 c... today - dunno... still not motivated enought to walk to a thermo)
[12:31] <blindcoder> 20+ degrees here yesterday
[12:32] <owl> and - i want voice rec... i almost can't type because of this dumb injury 
[12:32] <owl> blindcoder: *sniff* :( you're evil
[12:32] <blindcoder> :D
[12:33] <owl> blindcoder: at least it's one of those days you're able to hack a story into your notebook :)
[12:33] <fake> oh my... i could rant a day about that code... @moneypenny
[12:34] <blindcoder> fake: feel free to do so :)
[12:35] <fake> once it compiles, i'll tell the wall all about it
[12:35] <blindcoder> jdjd
[12:35] <blindcoder> hehe
[12:40] <fake> that's it
[12:40] <fake> i give up
[12:40] <fake> no moneypenny for fake today.
[12:40] <blindcoder> :(
[12:42] <owl> fake: you're motivated as hell, too, aren't you?
[12:42] <daja77> fake: do you have an idea why my blogentries from monday are sorted in for sunday?
[12:51] <fake> daja77: because it was very early on monday? ;-)
[12:52] <fake> no idea
[12:52] <fake> the time on the server seems to be correct...
[12:52] <fake> owl: just tired of fixing b0rken student code
[12:53] <owl> fake: hehe. ok :)
[13:03] <owl> .oO( xml*reader in c# is such an crap!!!! argh )
[13:11] <fake> what is it? sax or dom parser?
[13:19] <owl> fake: readonly-character-stream-reader without dtd-schema-support
[13:19] <fake> a character stream reader?
[13:19] <owl> fake: ack. 
[13:20] <fake> like... fopen() + fread() ?
[13:20] <fake> (who uses dtd schemas? they suck! big time!)
[13:22] <owl> fake: yeah. openfile, read file till EOF. ;) nice, isn't it? and copying of this *#!!!! object is _not_ prossible. --> problem if you want to get the "component" tag e.g. and need to have a look at it... and stuff... cuz you're losing the values of the 3 other tags...
[13:22] <owl> fake: testtrack pro-xml files are using them (but no need to use them in the migration tool)
[13:24] <fake> owl: if it just returns the plain contents of a file, then why is it called xml reader? does it segfault when you feed it with something not xml-conforming?
[13:25] <owl> fake: dunno. not tested... 
[13:25] <owl> if it segfaults i will get insane
[13:25] <owl> get? be i mean
[13:26] <owl> fake: you won flowers. unhandled exception. 
[13:29] <blindcoder> heh
[13:29] <fake> *ROFL*
[13:30] <owl> not funny. ;)
[13:30] <fake> "hm. so it segfaults with some files, and works with some others?" "yes" "hm.. then call it xmlreader, and ship it."
[13:31] <owl> ack. well... it's MS... what do you expect?
[13:31] <owl> another "funny" thing: xmlNODEreader... reading the whole dumb file, not just the node...
[13:31] <owl> or better. not just one dumb single node
[13:31] <fake> that you are prohibited by license to talk to me about this superior technology. better get a lawyer...
[13:32] <owl> huh? why?
[13:32] <owl> <- not ms-member :)
[13:45] <owl> wonderful. tickets for "faust II" ordered :)))
[14:15] <daja77> fake: nope I wrote it on earyl tuesday, strange, I have seen that the clock seems to be ok, perhaps there is another clock somewhere
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[14:32] <fake> daja77: maybe your system's clock was wrong? (wild guess, i have no clue)
[14:36] <daja77> it takes my system time? hm
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[14:38] <owl> hi esden 
[14:38] <daja77> esden!
[14:39] <fake> hi esden!
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[15:01] <owl> re
[15:02] <owl> i meantioned, that i'm really hating debilian, yes?
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[15:37] <mnemoc> owl: why don't you use crystal instead of hateable-debian? :)
[15:37] <owl> mnemoc: cuz it's an vserver
[15:37] <owl> and - i'm not rocker ;p
[15:38] <owl> hi mnemoc btw
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[15:38] <mnemoc> aha.. that vserver with less than 30M per user?
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[15:39] <daja77> hi mnemoc 
[15:39] <owl> mnemoc: yes. (which runs with "original" configurating now... and works, if you're not installing all the software you want)
[15:40] <mnemoc> hi daja77 
[15:40] <mnemoc> owl: with less than 30M you can't do many thing 
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[15:45] <owl> mnemoc: ack. but - at least it runs a LAMP-server now... 
[15:45] <owl> (and postfix, and ssh and... so)
[15:49] <blindcoder> with 800 kB you can create a Livesystem running nethack :D
[15:49] <owl> hrm
[15:51] <owl> gnarf. the next person calling the phonenr. of my parents will be killed via telephaty
[15:52] <blindcoder> why?
[15:53] <daja77> hm googling for that number
[15:54] <owl> blindcoder: about 5 people were calling. 
[15:54] <owl> daja77: *kick*
[15:54] <mnemoc> [030] - Freeciv 2.0.0 (Stable) :D
[15:55] <daja77> w00t?
[15:55] <daja77> cool
[15:55] <mnemoc> yep :)
[15:56] <daja77> preparing update patch ...
[15:56] <blindcoder> yeah, came out two days ago I think
[15:57] <daja77> .oO (this is a security update *gg*)
[15:57] <blindcoder> heh
[16:04] <mnemoc> o_O
[16:06] <daja77> mnemoc: just j/k
[16:06] <mnemoc> :)
[16:06] <mnemoc> but that would make it enter rock faster :)
[16:07] <daja77> hehe
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[17:30] <th> security update?
[17:30] <th> we propably need it in stable then.
[17:31] <mnemoc_> :D
[17:32] <daja77> hehe
[17:34] <daja77> sm sent btw ;)
[17:43] <blindcoder> well, a nethack update would be marked security update
[17:43] <blindcoder> since it help keeping the sysadmins sanity intact which is VITAL to security
[17:48] <mnemoc_> :)
[17:48] <daja77> *gg*
[18:01] <blindcoder> just on the radio news: white smoke over the Sistine Chapel
[18:02] <mnemoc_> the one who will say the name of the new pope is chilean
[18:04] <daja77> hm a chilean pope would rock
[18:04] <mnemoc_> :D
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[18:39] <fake> let's hope it's not ratzinger
[18:39] <mnemoc_> yep
[18:40] <mnemoc_> that would be a drastic change
[18:40] <blindcoder> who?
[18:40] <mnemoc_> ratzinger
[18:40] <blindcoder> /whois ratzinger
[18:40] <blindcoder> isn't ratz a swearword for little critters like hamsters?
[18:41] <blindcoder> and I remember the term ratzinger from FF9
[18:41] <mnemoc_> a german cardenal
[18:41] <blindcoder> so if they had a computer generated pope, that would ROCK :D
[18:42] <blindcoder> they're just announcing him
[18:43] <mnemoc_> ratzinger won
[18:43] <mnemoc_> damn
[18:43] <blindcoder> indeed
[18:50] <veki> I am not sure that he is proper choice
[18:51] <blindcoder> I don't know anything about him
[18:51] <veki> there was a candidate who was as a young person member of Hitler's youth
[18:51] <mnemoc_> he needed 2/3 and he got it on the second? voting
[18:51] <veki> I do not whether ratzinger is that man or not
[18:51] <blindcoder> looking at the time it might be the fourth or fifth
[18:52] <blindcoder> four elections a day, first one yesterday evening
[18:53] <veki> I would suggest them that candidate who build better distro is the right one:-)
[18:53] <blindcoder> hehe
[18:53] <blindcoder> then there wouldn't be pope in ages
[18:53] <blindcoder> I hereby declare clifford the Big Poobah and th the Lesser Poobah
[18:54] <veki> for example, one should build distro for social care institutions, another for schools, anothe rlocalize on language of ethnic minority etc.
[18:54] <veki> faster boot and better integration of packages is winner
[18:54] <blindcoder> hehe
[18:55] <veki> :-)
[18:55] <veki> Vaticanux may be their distro
[18:56] Action: blindcoder goes registering benedikt-xvi.it :-)
[18:56] <veki> however, let them be, they are not going to help us to compile our packages
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[18:57] <blindcoder> depends. If you just believe hard enough...
[18:57] <veki> ah, ah
[18:57] <veki> I suppose that such dependencies are broken
[18:58] <veki> anyway, maybe he will support free software..
[18:58] <blindcoder> hehe
[18:58] <blindcoder> Linux invades Vatikan
[18:59] <veki> hehe
[18:59] <mnemoc_> :)
[19:00] <veki> maybe we can write new game Tuxpope
[19:00] <mnemoc_> :D
[19:00] <veki> Tux is ging around Vatican and choose candidates
[19:00] <blindcoder> Popux
[19:00] <veki> who is first on the balcony he is winner
[19:00] <veki> yeah
[19:00] <mnemoc_> :D
[19:00] <blindcoder> okay it was the fourth election
[19:01] <veki> thus, fourth level of the game is the last one?
[19:01] <blindcoder> hehe
[19:02] <veki> it is better to win on the balcony that to be forced to pass through Windows
[19:03] <blindcoder> that reminds me of a quote I've read a long time ago
[19:03] <blindcoder> "Friends don't help friends install windows."
[19:03] <veki> hehe
[19:04] <veki> they can use Popenoffice for writing their documents
[19:04] <veki> maybe Linux in vatika is popensource
[19:10] <owl> oh goth... the evil word spoken
[19:11] <blindcoder> pope?
[19:11] <owl> ack
[19:11] <blindcoder> 10pope
[19:11] <blindcoder> 08pope
[19:11] <blindcoder> 03pope
[19:12] <owl> brrrr *shivers*
[19:12] <blindcoder> 05bavarian  02pope
[19:12] <mnemoc_> *G*
[19:13] <owl> btw, why the heck are memers of a hospital asking you what religious denomination you have? ;)
[19:14] <blindcoder> so that they can remove the bible and crucified guy from your room
[19:14] <owl> lol. i didn't stay in hospital. it was just the "notaufnahme" cuz of my injured finger....
[19:14] <blindcoder> I see
[19:15] <owl> well... this is somehow weird imho ;)
[19:16] <blindcoder> yeah
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[21:24] <owl> re
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[22:15] <nookie> huhu daja77 :)
[22:15] <nookie> huhu all
[22:15] <daja77> hi nookie 
[22:24] <nookie> http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/gone-shopping.jpg
[22:25] <daja77> http://members.cox.net/jpwatt/ps/pope.jpg
[23:03] <netrunner> can I read from stdin without removing the data from there?
[23:11] <th> no
[23:22] <netrunner> ok. I only want to analyse the first bytes and then pass through. So I have to create a small proxy there as it seems ...
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