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[00:17] <Freak> gnarf. immer diese verteilten irc-clients, die dann unterschiedliche autojoins haben... [00:17] <Freak> soviel dazu, dass ich nicht mehr in #rocklinux bin, _hannes [00:18] <Freak> ;) [00:34] <daja77> *ggg* [00:43] steffen_ (~steffen@p54996AA8.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [00:49] <daja77> .oO (clifford will beat me for that) [00:58] <_hannes> Freak: ;) [00:58] <_hannes> btw. someone interested to come to gpn4 to karlsruhe? [00:59] <_hannes> www.entropia.de/wiki/GPN4 [01:00] <Freak> daja77: for *ggg*ing? [01:00] <Freak> _hannes: :) [01:03] <_hannes> Freak: : [01:04] <_hannes> Freak: } [01:06] <daja77> hi _hannes [01:06] <daja77> Freak: nope ^^ [01:06] <_hannes> hi daja77 [01:06] <Freak> _hannes: I'm trying to figure something out for the freakin text.. but its hard.. [01:06] <Freak> I cant really focus on it [01:06] <Freak> daja77: so what then [01:06] <_hannes> hard to write in chaos-style? [01:07] <daja77> fixing gcc40 for stage 1 in a dirty way, but well let's see if it works before discussing details [01:07] <Freak> _hannes: maybe [01:10] <_hannes> daja77: good luck! [01:10] <daja77> thx [01:11] <Freak> _hannes: is it "Duff's Device" or "ein Duff's Device"? [01:12] <Freak> whatEVER that is (besides the part of what I understoof of what you explained to me :) [01:12] <Freak> s/oof/ood/; [01:14] <_hannes> Freak: it's really simple. just google for it on the web [01:15] <daja77> hm gcc40 built ... but strace failed ^^ [01:15] <_hannes> O_o [01:15] <_hannes> why? [01:15] <daja77> just checking [01:17] <daja77> hm [01:21] <_hannes> nothing found? [01:23] <daja77> oh sure, a glibc header is missing ... [01:40] centrinia (~centrinia@mp1-248-94.dialup.emory.edu) joined #rocklinux. [01:44] <centrinia> should i patch target/livecd/pkg_linux.conf so that it recognizes that squashfs2.1-fake/linux-2.6.11.2/squashfs2.1-patch is actually in squashfs2.1-fake/linux-2.6.8.2/squashfs2.1-patch [01:44] Action: centrinia waves at fake [02:26] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.67) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [02:28] centrinia (~centrinia@mp1-248-94.dialup.emory.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [07:36] Nick change: BoS_ -> BoS [08:23] <blindcoder> moin [08:35] <_hannes> hi blindcoder [08:35] <_hannes> btw: were some activities in the past regarding rocklinux and linuxtag? [08:38] <blindcoder> chemnitz, yes [08:38] <blindcoder> or which linuxtag do you mean? [08:38] <_hannes> the linuxtag in karlsruhe [08:39] <blindcoder> hmm [08:39] <blindcoder> I think daja77 has something about that [08:39] <blindcoder> why do you ask? [08:39] <_hannes> otherwise i would handle that now [08:39] <th> i'm still confused a bit. can someone tell me why bash's "read" wont read when fed from echo? ( echo foo | read bar ) [08:40] <blindcoder> th: read bar < <( echo foo ) [08:41] <blindcoder> _hannes: ask daja77. I think he did something, but I'm not sure [08:47] <th> blindcoder: and what's the difference? [08:47] <th> blindcoder: of course i always found alternatives which work - but i wanted to know why piping did not work [08:50] <blindcoder> th: I'm not exactly sure but I think that with piping a second bash process is spawned and the variable only is valid withn that process but not within the current one [08:50] <blindcoder> I could be totally wrong, though [08:51] <th> blindcoder: interesting idea [08:51] <th> that might be true [08:51] <blindcoder> btw, anyone got an idea why CONFIG_INPUT is totally broken on sparc64 in linux 2.6? [08:51] <th> still "... | while read foo " makes sense. cause the whole loop is in that shell [09:24] <netrunner> GNA [09:24] Action: netrunner receiving automated bounces from SMP [09:25] <netrunner> moin btw, https://www.meteo.physik.uni-muenchen.de/mesomikro/stadt/temp.png [09:30] <blindcoder> moin netrunner [09:30] <blindcoder> and that tells me... what? [09:32] <_hannes> moin netrunner [09:32] <_hannes> blindcoder: it [09:33] <_hannes> oops [09:33] <_hannes> blindcoder: it' hot outsider :} [09:42] <blindcoder> outside? outside what? [09:43] <_hannes> you know, the real world out there [09:44] <blindcoder> oh, the thing I haven't visited for months [09:47] <_hannes> there were food and so on come in [09:47] <_hannes> :} [09:47] <th> what the fsck are you talking about, guys? [09:49] <_hannes> hey, you know what i'm talking about [09:49] <blindcoder> _hannes: I order my food online [09:49] <_hannes> stand up get your laptops+wlan and sit somewhere outside [09:50] <blindcoder> or call the next burger king for a delivery [09:50] <_hannes> it's really cool, espacially in the evenings [09:50] Action: blindcoder gets his wlan and sits outside his kitchen [09:50] <_hannes> blindcoder: you don't! (i hope) [09:50] <blindcoder> It's not very comfortable. [09:50] <blindcoder> _hannes: well, no, I really don't [09:50] <blindcoder> but I really haven't been out in months other than to kendo training [09:52] <blindcoder> the people I met with here in Berlin don't want to meet me anymore after we met once and going somewhere alone just sucks [10:13] Action: netrunner thinking about getting the dsl flat with fixed ip from vianetworks ... [10:13] <blindcoder> I'd rather get the one from tal.de [10:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: on the first sight they don't offer flatrates. and 5eur per gb is expensive imho [10:20] <blindcoder> oh, flat [10:20] <blindcoder> sorry, skipped that [10:38] <_hannes> ok, we have booth A117 at linuxtag, karlsruhe [10:38] <_hannes> https://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/LinuxTag2004/projects.php3 [10:38] <_hannes> Freak: thx [10:39] <blindcoder> _hannes: you'll be there? [10:39] <_hannes> blindcoder: of course ;) [10:39] <blindcoder> _hannes: want our posters from CLT? [10:39] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/bilder/cgi-bin/view.sh?WORKDIR=/home/www/bilder/2005-03-06_Chemnitzer_Linux_Tag;id=IMG_1892.jpg;SIZE=640x480 [10:39] <_hannes> yeah, would be cool [10:40] <_hannes> blindcoder: are you there? [10:40] <blindcoder> _hannes: you know that you linke the LT2004? [10:40] <blindcoder> _hannes: probably, maybe only the weekend [10:41] <blindcoder> https://www.infodrom.org/Debian/events/LinuxTag2005/projects.php3 [10:41] <blindcoder> hm [10:41] <blindcoder> oops [10:41] <_hannes> :} [10:41] <blindcoder> still, on the 2005 sites we're not mentioned [10:41] <_hannes> jeah [10:41] <_hannes> wait a second [10:43] <Freak> ARGH [10:43] <Freak> sry! [10:44] <Freak> okay guys so pls send mail to joey. [10:44] <_hannes> ok, i'll do [11:10] <SMP> Error logs from server-TRUNK-x86-pentium3-32-planer-expert: [11:10] <SMP> 222 builds total, 222 completed fine, 0 with errors. [11:10] <daja77> nice [11:10] <th> "planer"? [11:11] <SMP> Engl. for "Hobel" [11:11] <th> k [11:11] <th> how big is the pkg-set? [11:11] <th> i guess there is no X in it, right? [11:12] <SMP> 188M build/server-TRUNK-x86-pentium3-32-planer-expert/ROCK/pkgs_sel [11:12] <th> still no smf i suppose... [11:13] <SMP> no, pretty plain trunk, just custom pkgsel [11:13] <SMP> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12132 May 2 09:15 current.diff [11:14] <SMP> th: I need udev in rescue *whine* ;-\ [11:14] <SMP> and I mean not just the package [11:14] <th> SMP: i'd like that too [11:15] <SMP> system("/sbin/udevstart"); [11:15] <SMP> ? [11:15] <th> SMP: i'd even like to put that in something like 2.2-stable [11:15] <daja77> working udev on trunk, that would rock :) [11:15] <th> i thought it DOES work? [11:16] <SMP> well, it does for me ... [11:16] <th> daja77: did you test? [11:16] <daja77> 8 weeks ago iirc [11:16] <th> SMP: and that /dev/discs/ mess you propably remember is NOT caused by nbd [11:17] <th> SMP: and it's not fixed by adding a r/nbd.*/ filter to lvm.conf [11:17] <SMP> oh. what does cause it? [11:17] <th> SMP: must be the scanning for pv's [11:17] <th> s/pv/vg/ [11:17] <th> SMP: perhaps only when devfsd is not running [11:18] <th> SMP: but it's reproducable. [11:18] <th> SMP: and there is even no nbd in kernel [11:18] <th> i always create my own lvm.conf with scan = ["/dev/ide", "/dev/scsi"] now [11:18] <SMP> hmmm [11:19] <th> one more reason for udev in rescue [11:20] <th> SMP: do we need the userspace daemon for udev in rescue? [11:21] <SMP> yeah, well, kind of [11:21] <th> SMP: or can we somehow populate /dev in one shot [11:23] <th> SMP: what do you think of first bringing udev to stable? [11:23] <SMP> udevstart does that, but it also starts the udevd [11:24] <th> perhaps we can link udevd to /bin/true [11:25] <SMP> whaah. I need a rescue target, the installer target sucks [11:25] <th> i always use rescue to install ;) [11:25] <SMP> see above, I need udev [11:25] <th> see above and anser my question ;) [11:26] <SMP> the one about udev in stable? I don't care [11:26] <th> yea that one. [11:26] <SMP> but it's probably a good idea [11:26] <th> k [11:26] <th> so do i have your support? [11:27] <SMP> I fear stable will live longer than devfs in the kernel ;) [11:27] <SMP> you have everything as, long as I get a working udev in rescue FAST ;> [11:27] <th> the current stable-trunk gap is to huge [11:28] <th> perhaps we need switch to 2.6 for stable [11:29] <SMP> er. no need to [11:31] <th> ...pity... [11:32] <th> but we need /sys, no? [11:33] <SMP> yes. so no udev unless running on 2.6 [11:34] <th> ahh so we need 2.6 but don't need it as default. [12:52] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-183-085.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:02] kasc (kasc@dsl-084-060-099-054.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:02] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [13:13] centrinia (~centrinia@mp1-248-201.dialup.emory.edu) joined #rocklinux. [13:30] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8CFBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:33] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8DF72.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [13:41] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/pipermail/spl/2005-May/000057.html [13:41] <clifford> .. now SPL has some regex features which are not even in perl yet. ;-) [13:42] <daja77> hi clifford [13:42] <clifford> hi daja [13:57] centrinia (~centrinia@mp1-248-201.dialup.emory.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] <_hannes> re [14:13] <daja77> wb [14:15] <blindcoder> re _hannes [14:31] <_hannes> fuck. we're very late with the registration to linuxtag :/ [14:37] <SMP> interesting. mine -i -R /mnt/target -v *.gem dies with signal 9 [14:38] <blindcoder> 9? Isn't that KILL? [14:38] <th> yea [14:38] <blindcoder> oh [14:38] <blindcoder> well... I can't remember a program killing itself with that [14:38] <SMP> ah. OOM probably [14:38] <th> SMP: you're propably out of memory ;) [14:38] <SMP> heh [14:38] <th> heh [14:39] <th> i had too many OOM conditions lately [14:39] <th> i really dont understand how linux kernel swap's [14:39] <blindcoder> OOM dies with 9? [14:39] <th> blindcoder: yes [14:39] <th> blindcoder: well [14:40] <th> blindcoder: it does not DIE it get's KILLed by kernel [14:40] <blindcoder> yeah :) [14:40] <th> it's not always the requesting process [14:40] <blindcoder> my last OOM was on a 256 MB machine where the HD having the swap device died [14:41] <th> i had OOM's last week with tons of free swap [14:41] <blindcoder> I remember something marking memory as unswappable [14:41] <blindcoder> though I'm not sure how and/or where this could be done [15:10] veki (~veki@bunuel-cpe-54.nat-pool.bgd.sbb.co.yu) joined #rocklinux. [15:21] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.59) joined #rocklinux. [15:29] <daja77> hi mnemoc [15:42] treo (~xfman@Dbd16.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [15:43] <treo> hi [15:43] <daja77> hi treo [15:44] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-157-212.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:45] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-155-003.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:45] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [16:13] SteffenP (steffen@p549953B4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:18] centrinia (~centrinia@mp1-249-137.dialup.emory.edu) joined #rocklinux. [16:37] <mnemoc> SMP: why do you want mono at /usr ? [16:56] <SMP> why do you want it in /opt/mono ? ;) [16:57] <SMP> last devmeeting we decided we'd want to move away from /opt for anything that's not considered a 'subsystem'. mono might or might not count as such [16:58] <SMP> besides, now (unlike early versions) it fits quite nicely into /usr [16:59] <mnemoc> i do consider it a subsytem :) but i have no problems with that [17:00] <SMP> I personally hate it when distributions ship their stuff under /opt, but that's just me ;) [17:01] <mnemoc> why mono is not a 'subsystem' to you? what about java? [17:02] <netrunner> anyone experience with motorola v3 (mobile phone)? [17:02] <SMP> java is just to obscure to fit into /usr - besides, most of the time you need several versions in parallell anyway [17:03] <daja77> .oO (not putting gnome under /opt would make some things easier) [17:03] <mnemoc> daja77: ack [17:04] <SMP> mono fits quite nicely and I'd like see that obscure "it lives in /opt, it's not really part of the system" feeling go away. mono should just be there, it's not much more magical than libstdc++ is ... [17:05] Action: clifford just wrote a simple .net app - but I'm afraid it won't work with mono.. [17:05] <mnemoc> it weight a bit more than libstdc++ :) [17:06] <centrinia> can the LiveCD be used as a root for a network boot? [17:07] <SMP> daja77: that isn't actually such a huge problem I built gnome, gnome2 and kde into /usr last year, and only three or four unimportant packages had problems (shared files) [17:08] <SMP> mnemoc: it isn't - at least until we stop shipping libstdc++ as part of the gcc package ;-> [17:08] <treo> netrunner: I have a v3 [17:08] <daja77> so should I send patches to change the prefixes? [17:08] <treo> in the first week people asked me wether it is a cell phone or someother thing [17:09] <SMP> daja77: test first, post results, listen to people's opinions [17:09] <daja77> ok [17:09] <netrunner> treo: have you ever been short on memory? afaik there is only 5MB and no possibility to extend ... [17:09] <netrunner> treo: i.e. would you recommend it? [17:10] <treo> For people like me it is enough [17:10] <treo> I made some pics and moved them via bluetooth on my machine, and the only java program on it is jimm [17:11] <netrunner> treo: main thing I want is long uptime. I had some fancy phone and it wanted recharging every day, that sucks. [17:11] <netrunner> my t68i to which I then switched back runs almost a week. [17:12] <treo> uptime is quite good, but as I often use jimm (it is an instant messenger) it sometimes goes down quite fast [17:12] <SMP> clifford: why not on mono. classlib is missing only obscure APIs, and MWF (managed SWF impl.) is getting more and more complete [17:13] centrinia (~centrinia@mp1-249-137.dialup.emory.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] Action: netrunner considering going home [17:16] <SMP> huh [17:16] <daja77> good consideration ;) [17:16] <clifford> SMP: Its using FileSystemEventHandler from System.IO. for recursively monitoring a directory tree. Is that API available with mono/linux ? [17:17] <SMP> echo "Using \$base/config/\$config.$swpid/linux.cfg." <- what's that $swpid doing there? [17:18] <SMP> clifford: you mean System.IO.FileSystemWatcher -- yes, there are even two implementation ;-) [17:20] <clifford> SMP: hmm. I guess the $swpid is a bug [17:21] <clifford> (That a config tool internal variable so the config tool creates the config in a seperate dir and then "swaps" it over. [17:22] <clifford> .. but this is bogus in a package build. Do you create a patch? [17:23] <SMP> I yanked it in my linux.conf - now testing [17:32] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: "Client exiting" [17:34] <daja77> hmpf [17:34] <daja77> just now he quits ;) [18:20] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:52] <daja77> wb clifford [18:53] <clifford> wb = Warner Brothers ? [18:53] <daja77> welcome back [18:54] <daja77> :) [18:54] <th> wannabe broth [18:54] <clifford> ahh! ;-) [18:54] <netrunner> wichtiger buerger [18:54] <netrunner> oh, thats ELANG :) [18:55] <daja77> hehe [18:56] <netrunner> damn, my favourite camping place is already full :( [19:15] <clifford> does anyone know the status of the linux-drm module ? [19:16] <blindcoder> digital r{estriction,ights} management? [19:16] <clifford> afais it is part of linux-2.6 and there is not much sense in keeping the old cvs package .. [19:16] <clifford> linux direct rendering module [19:17] <blindcoder> ah [19:17] <blindcoder> no, sorry [19:17] <clifford> the kernel part of dri [19:17] <blindcoder> hmm [19:17] <blindcoder> using nvidia here, no idea about that [19:17] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/packages/linux-drm.html [19:18] <blindcoder> hmm [19:18] <blindcoder> okay, nothing I need, so sorry, no idea about that [19:18] <blindcoder> I just know that linux 2.6 is impossible to build for sparc64 (at least if you want to use keyboard/mouse) [21:02] uninvit3d (~uninvited@ppp-82-135-69-221.mnet-online.de) joined #rocklinux. [21:02] <uninvit3d> hello [21:03] netcrow (~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de) joined #rocklinux. [21:03] <blindcoder> hi uninvit3d, netcrow [21:03] <netcrow> hiho [21:03] <blindcoder> hiho, hiho. It's off to work we go. [21:04] <netcrow> heeh [21:04] <netcrow> hehe [21:06] <_hannes> re [21:06] <_hannes> uninvit3d: O_o [21:07] <uninvit3d> hannes, hi ho ! 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