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[06:36] <owl> #moin
[07:09] <netrunner> moin, 2
[07:13] <owl> hi netrunner 
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[07:33] <owl> gnarf. bug-hunting the whole fscking evening - and in the morning you see, that the only fault is your own blindness *pukes*
[07:40] <netrunner> oh yeah, debugged a wlan for 3h day before yesterday.
[07:41] <netrunner> didn't work because I had a route to the same net to my vlan which wasn't even active at that time.
[07:41] <netrunner> but had a higher priority route :)
[07:41] <owl> hihi. then i'm lucky that not just me is "blind" :p
[08:19] <netrunner> argl, did it again.
[08:20] Action: netrunner to tired to solve probs now. going to work.
[08:20] <owl> *g* great solution, netrunner, really ;) 
[08:24] <owl> .oO( those doves are strange... ) 
[08:30] <blindcoder> moin
[08:40] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[08:40] <blindcoder> moin owl
[08:48] <netrunner> shared files: usr/bin/uudecode: gmime sharutils
[08:48] <netrunner> *sing* white dove, fly with the wind, take our hope, under your wings ... lalalalalala
[08:49] <blindcoder> I have shared files between egcs64 and gcc34
[08:49] <blindcoder> well, every file, really
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[09:05] <th> did we have package "pixieplus" in trunk at any time?
[09:06] <blindcoder> yes
[09:07] <th> and dropped it when?
[09:08] <th> when it stopped accepting newer versions of imagemagick? or as of kde-3.3.2?
[09:08] <th> i just updated imagemagick and pixieplus failed
[09:08] <th> but it seems to be part of kdegraphics anyhow
[09:09] <blindcoder> the last I find is 2004091106031719582
[09:09] <th> hmm not that long ago
[09:11] <th> found it
[09:11] <th> r5676 | clifford | 2005-03-08 14:32:00 +0100 (Tue, 08 Mar 2005) | 6 lines
[09:11] <th> Clifford Wolf:
[09:11] <th>         Removed gnomesword and pixieplus packages
[09:11] <th>         They are horribly broken and de-facto unmaintained
[09:12] <th> ok i'll drop pixieplus at least
[09:29] <[anders-mcafee]> http://joshua.sackheads.org/~ian/iipf.m4a    <- veerry funny (use mplayer to play)
[09:42] <netrunner> [anders-mcafee]: the new mplayer remote exploit?
[09:43] <blindcoder> hehe
[09:43] Action: netrunner fighting with iptraf
[09:43] <[anders-mcafee]> netrunner: nope, it is from a musical called AvenueQ
[10:15] <netrunner> gn. kernel header problems again :(
[10:18] <netrunner> could it be that packages without .cache will not be built if I select "build only if predecessors built fine"?
[10:20] <blindcoder> they won't be built if you select "Build only pacakges known not to be broken"
[10:24] <netrunner> I only have <*>    Do not try building packages if deps failed
[10:24] <netrunner> and [ ]    Disable packages which are marked as broken
[10:24] <netrunner> but 5-cgilib was not built which made rrdtool fail which made lm_sensors fail.
[10:25] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:25] <blindcoder> strange
[10:25] <netrunner> and it's not in the pkgqueue.
[10:27] <netrunner> DEBUG: Not building 9-cgilib: earlier stages not done for this package.
[10:27] <netrunner> but nothing about 5-cgilib
[10:29] <netrunner> I think the problem is it is not contained in the dep_db
[10:44] <netrunner> ah, packages without dependencies automatically depend on all packages.
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[10:57] <netrunner> damn, stupid kde library documentation takes long to generate
[11:02] <clifford> moin.
[11:03] <clifford> building now the 8th day. 293 packages to go..
[11:03] <clifford> I think I need a faster build machine. *g*
[11:04] <netrunner> moin clifford
[11:04] <clifford> moin netrunner 
[11:05] <blindcoder> 8 days for a reference build o_O
[11:05] <blindcoder> what machine are you building on? a K6?
[11:05] <netrunner> qemu *eg*
[11:05] <clifford> AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
[11:05] <clifford> with 1 GB memory
[11:06] <blindcoder> seems awfully long
[11:06] <blindcoder> I think a crystal only takes three days on my P4 1.8 with 1GB Ram
[11:06] <daja77> crystal is a small subset
[11:06] <blindcoder> btw, I finally got my beamer for my living room :D
[11:06] <clifford> how many packages is a crytsal build?
[11:06] <blindcoder> daja77: yes, but still, > 8 days?
[11:07] <daja77> hm crystal about 200 iirc
[11:07] <daja77> or 300
[11:07] <netrunner> that's a tenth :)
[11:07] <netrunner> Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need inst
[11:08] <netrunner> argl.
[11:08] <netrunner> 2973 builds total, 489 completed fine, 4 with errors.
[11:08] <clifford> 304 package builds (not packages) in crystal, 2961 in reference..
[11:09] <blindcoder> okay, /me shuts up :)
[11:09] Action: daja77 kicking binutils 2.16.x out
[11:10] <netrunner> daja77: what's the problem?
[11:11] <daja77> that assembler issues it has might hurt other packages as well
[11:11] <netrunner> daja77: I have ~500 packages completed fine. the 4 errors are not related to binutils.
[11:11] <netrunner> daja77: or do you see runtime problems?
[11:13] <daja77> haven't made it to runtime yet, just annoyed trying anything new from the gnu toolchain atm, tried too many stuff ;)
[11:13] <netrunner> daja77: well, it works fine here. you may as well wait a few days for my build to finish, it will include the updates.
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[11:21] <netrunner> weha, fixed iptraf
[11:21] <daja77> nice
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[11:35] <netrunner> http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-
[11:36] <netrunner> do they mean security issue with "root hole"?
[11:36] <blindcoder> yes
[11:36] <blindcoder> privilege escalation
[11:36] <netrunner> *sigh*
[11:37] <blindcoder> local users only, though
[11:42] <owl> sigh. i want a faster server. 
[11:43] <blindcoder> why's that?
[11:44] <netrunner> do we have a sql gui or shall I try to package sqlgui?
[11:45] <owl> blindcoder: cuz the p1 is a bit fast for performing database crap
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[11:48] <netrunner> for using utf-8, do I have to fiddle something with my compile, or would I simply set the locale?
[11:48] <blindcoder> simply setting the locale before installation should be fine
[11:49] <netrunner> before? not during?
[11:49] <netrunner> you mean in stone?
[11:49] Action: netrunner really needs to be able to use cyrillic letters :)
[11:51] <blindcoder> after booting the install CD
[11:55] <netrunner> ok. I'll try.
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[12:05] <esden> hello everyone!
[12:06] <netrunner> hi esden
[12:07] <esden> hi netrunner!
[12:14] <owl> moin esden 
[12:15] <esden> hi owl!
[12:43] Action: netrunner wonders if clifford does reference builds without paranoia
[13:05] <SMP> locale? compile? installation? you can define and change the locale at any time you wish. just make sure your terminal agrees
[13:05] <SMP> (on the charset=
[13:06] <clifford> netrunner: why?
[13:07] <blindcoder> SMP: according to a story on newsforge on how to convert to utf you need to make sure that filenames are stored in utf, too
[13:08] <blindcoder> http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/10/27/1631244&tid=130
[13:09] <SMP> the first 127 chars of UTF-8 and ASCII are identical, so for all sane filenames there is no need to convert anything
[13:10] <blindcoder> well, it'll start being funny if you have    in your filenames I guess
[13:11] <SMP> of course if you have Latin1 umlauts in your own filenames or filenames in other encodings they will give you problems with appications in a UTF-8 locale
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[13:15] <esden> cu guys
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[13:17] <fake> das find; ich schon
[13:17] <daja77> erh hi fake 
[13:17] <fake> douh
[13:17] <fake> hi daja!
[13:17] <fake> whazzuuuuup?
[13:18] <daja77> what do you think, should I give a talk about livecds next month? 
[13:18] <fake> go go go!
[13:19] <daja77> :)
[13:19] <fake> beat the shit out of knoppix
[13:19] <daja77> speaking of that, did you have a look at that unionfs they are using?
[13:20] <fake> yes, once
[13:20] <fake> it sucks
[13:20] <daja77> could you explain? ;)
[13:21] <daja77> .oO (I should build a livecd for the talk and using it)
[13:24] <fake> it's a kernel patch
[13:24] <fake> and the latest versions it applies against was 2.6.0-testsomething when i tested i
[13:24] <fake> +t
[13:24] <fake> as clifford proved, it's an unneeded kernel patch
[13:25] <fake> unneeded kernel patches always suck, it's a rule ;-)
[13:26] <daja77> ok that kernel patch thing I noticed, thought there might be other disadvantages you experienced
[13:27] <fake> i can't remember
[13:27] <daja77> ok :)
[13:27] <fake> all i remember is that i read about it in the linux journal, and they talked lile all the way around the meat, and then i tried it, and it didn't convince me
[13:28] <daja77> it sounds more complicated than shadowfs
[13:28] <clifford> daja77: http://www.clifford.at/papers/2005/shadowfs/slides.pdf  (btw)
[13:29] <daja77> ah thx
[13:35] <daja77> .oO (GLIBC_IS_UGLY :D)
[13:37] <clifford> .. activates some hacks to wrap stat() syscalls..
[13:38] <daja77> :)
[13:48] Action: fake looking forward to meeting the imperator tonight
[13:49] <daja77> hehe hf
[13:50] <daja77> found another issue: they say stacking with reiserfs causes trouble, should work with cowfs without any harm, if I got that right
[13:50] <fake> daja77: that sounds weird
[13:50] <fake> i thought there is a reason why it is calles _virtual_ filesystem layer
[13:51] <daja77> well it is in their README file
[13:54] <clifford> * netrunner wonders if clifford does reference builds without paranoia
[13:54] <clifford> netrunner: why???
[13:54] Action: clifford doesn't like it when someone brings up a topic and then ignores follow-ups..  *grml*
[13:54] <clifford> ;-)
[13:56] <daja77> *gg* perhaps he is just off :)
[13:58] <blindcoder> Fup2: /dev/null ?
[13:58] <daja77> th: I thought of testing kernel updates for 2.0, do you prefer 2.4 or 2.6 as standard kernel in that test?
[13:58] <th> i'd love 2.6 in 2.0.4
[13:58] <daja77> aye
[13:58] <th> cool
[14:08] <daja77> ooops
[14:08] <daja77> bash-2.05b# scripts/Create-CkSumPatch linux24 linux26|patch -p0
[14:08] <daja77> diff: `-0' option is obsolete; use `-U 0'
[14:08] <daja77> diff: Try `diff --help' for more information.
[14:13] <netrunner> clifford: never mind, I think it was my bad.
[14:14] <clifford> hmmm.. ok.
[14:14] Action: clifford is still curious.
[14:15] Action: daja77 is wondering why create-cksumpatch is broken in 2.0
[14:15] <daja77> it produces that output:
[14:15] <daja77> diff -U 0 ./package/base/linux24/linux24.desc /tmp/31996
[14:15] <daja77> --- ./package/base/linux24/linux24.desc 2005-05-18 14:05:49.529407656 +0200
[14:15] <daja77> +++ /tmp/31996  2005-05-18 14:16:00.315554048 +0200
[14:16] <netrunner> grml, have to restart my build.
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[14:17] <netrunner> hm. if it works if I simply mine -r the last packages? or those from 5- ...
[14:29] <daja77> ok fixed ... unfortunately I can't commit ;)
[14:35] <netrunner> clifford: I had an amount of shared file issues. I preferred to blame you before I found out it was my fault :)
[14:37] <clifford> oh. what did you do??
[14:39] <netrunner> clifford: move gnome-2.conf and similar to where they belong.
[14:40] <netrunner> clifford: I discussed with th and he agrees to my point that e.g. gnome-2.conf is inherited by all subdirs of package/gnome2/, so it should be placed there.
[15:26] <daja77> th: linux24 builds before linux26, even when linux26 is selected as default, because of the given priorities, hope that doesn't matter
[15:31] <th> hmm
[15:32] <daja77> linux24 is 109.000 and linux26 is 110.000
[15:33] <clifford> daja77: shouldn't cause any harm.
[15:33] <daja77> hope so :)
[15:35] <th> who sets the /usr/src/linux link?
[15:36] <clifford> the linux-source package for the default kernel (the one selected using ROCKCFG_PKG_LINUX_HEADERS)
[15:37] <clifford> .. at least in TRUNK. ;-)
[15:40] <th> dont deplou uncertainty to me please ;-)
[15:40] <th> s,deplou,deploy,
[15:40] <daja77> don't get me wrong, I really was a bit confused before I got that 2.0 build running the way I wanted it to go, trunk is so much different, I am not used to this anymore ;)
[15:42] <blindcoder> I still get problems with egcs64 :(
[15:42] <blindcoder> just about every file is shared between it and gcc34
[15:48] <SMP> I thought egcs was finally dead?
[15:48] <blindcoder> I need something to compile the kernel with
[15:49] <SMP> ARCH=sparc64?
[15:50] <blindcoder> yeah
[15:50] <SMP> they still didn't get rid of the dependancy on egcs? oh my ...
[15:51] <blindcoder> at least with gcc34 I get tons of "__you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much: symbol not found" errors
[15:51] <blindcoder> everywhere
[15:51] <blindcoder> be it the input layer or whatever
[15:51] <daja77> hm have seen that too ... but got rid of it
[15:52] <blindcoder> daja77: how?
[15:53] <SMP> that looks like a linker error
[15:53] <daja77> blindcoder: I am trying to remember ...
[15:54] <blindcoder> SMP: no, it's a function that's defined in the kmalloc function as "extern __you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much" and probably shall serve as an error message
[15:55] <SMP> yeah. that doesn't contradict my statement
[15:56] <blindcoder> well, not directly :)
[16:02] <SMP> apropos gnome-2.conf. I think glib should really be moved to base and installed to /usr. it is really not specific to Gnome in any way
[16:03] <daja77> agreed
[16:04] <daja77> blindcoder: all I got out of google is, that this is pagesize related on 64bit archs, several different problems leading to that error though ...
[16:05] <blindcoder> so, what should pagesize be changed to?
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[16:11] <daja77> that's the annoying news, the reported problems should have been fixed months ago
[16:12] <blindcoder> great
[16:13] <blindcoder> maybe I should send a mail to lkml
[16:30] <daja77> http://www.faz.net/s/Rub6EAA9BF249C249FE86A5EFF3F83DC130/Doc~E44B50EBD23E54A869F9F773545BF34C1~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html
[16:32] <daja77> scnr
[16:32] <blindcoder> hehe
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[19:24] <owl> re
[21:31] <blindcoder> rehi
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[21:33] <th> daja77: are you going to test switching to 2.6 for default in stable?
[21:34] <th> daja77: i'd highly appreciate that
[21:34] <daja77> th: i did, but the results are not that good atm
[21:35] <th> hmm :-[
[21:36] <daja77> 464 builds total, 87 completed fine, 16 with errors.
[21:37] <daja77> hm why minimal is over 460 builds
[21:57] <netrunner> 2983 builds total, 206 completed fine, 1 with errors.
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[22:25] <netrunner> ?
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