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[08:20] <blindcoder> moit
[08:20] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:33] <netrunner> moin
[08:33] <netrunner> weird, my irssi mixed up servers ...
[08:34] <blindcoder> mixed up as in?
[08:36] Nick change: BoS_ -> BoS
[08:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: couldn't write to #rocklinux any more, as it tried to /msg #rocklinux on the wrong server
[08:37] <blindcoder> oh
[08:39] <netrunner> blindcoder: do you have a recent mine? could you try a mine -i nonexistingfile please?
[08:39] <blindcoder> blindcoder@ceres:~$ mine -q mine
[08:39] <blindcoder> mine 0.20 0
[08:39] <blindcoder> blindcoder@ceres:~$ mine -l foobar
[08:39] <blindcoder> While reading GEM file foobar: No such file or directory
[08:39] <blindcoder> oh, -i
[08:39] <blindcoder> blindcoder@ceres:~$ mine -i foobar
[08:39] <blindcoder> While installing GEM file foobar: No such file or directory
[08:40] Action: netrunner has mine 0.21
[08:40] <netrunner> it coredumps.
[08:40] <blindcoder> that's bad
[08:40] Action: blindcoder updating
[08:41] <netrunner> I installed the huge build on my laptop
[08:59] <blindcoder> root@ceres:/usr/src/rock-2.1-clifford# mine -q mine
[08:59] <blindcoder> mine 0.22 0
[08:59] <blindcoder> root@ceres:~# mine -i foobar
[08:59] <blindcoder> While installing GEM file foobar: No such file or directory
[09:00] <netrunner> blindcoder: did you get the 0.22 from trunk?
[09:00] <blindcoder> ye
[09:00] <blindcoder> s
[09:00] <blindcoder> svn up && ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg mine
[09:00] <netrunner> hm, should sync.
[09:01] <netrunner> btw, now that I try to use hotplug/udev, do you know how to blacklist modules? and how to force modules to be loaded at boot?
[09:01] <blindcoder> no, sorry
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[09:23] Action: netrunner trying hotplug-ng
[09:28] <owl> moin
[09:29] <blindcoder> moin moin
[09:30] <owl> hi blindcoder 
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[11:26] <daja77> esden!
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[11:49] <netrunner> hm, this hotplug-ng is lacking features, as does hotplug.
[11:49] Action: netrunner about to switch back to rockplug
[12:03] <netrunner> there is some duplicate stuff in system.init/rockplug.init ...
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[12:34] <netrunner> http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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[12:45] <clifford> moin
[12:45] <owl> hi clifford 
[12:46] <clifford> hi owl
[12:48] Action: netrunner misses the possibility to force loading of modules with hotplug
[12:50] <blindcoder> moin clifford 
[12:51] <netrunner> hi clifford
[12:55] <SMP> netrunner: edit /etc/conf/kernel ?
[14:26] <esden> moin
[14:27] <daja77> moin esden 
[14:27] <esden> huhu daja77 ;(
[14:27] <esden> erm ;)
[14:27] <daja77> ^^
[14:55] <netrunner> SMP: that's rockplug.
[14:56] <netrunner> SMP: but tell me, when entering a "special" char in an xterm, why can I press backspace twice?
[14:56] <th> netrunner: no. that's boot-process
[14:56] <th> netrunner: tried using uxterm?
[14:57] <netrunner> ah, ic. but the hotplug.init is superfluous imho, because system.init does the same.
[14:58] <netrunner> th: not yet, will do.
[14:58] <netrunner> th: same effect.
[14:59] <th> hmm dunno then
[15:01] <SMP> netrunner: try in ~/.inputrc :
[15:01] <SMP> set meta-flag on
[15:01] <SMP> set convert-meta off
[15:01] <SMP> set input-meta on
[15:01] <SMP> set output-meta on
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[15:04] <netrunner> SMP: who reads this file?
[15:04] <SMP> libreadline
[15:05] <netrunner> so restarting the xterm would activate the changes?
[15:05] <treo> hi
[15:05] <SMP> xterm doesn't use libreadline, bash does - but yes, it would
[15:07] <netrunner> xterm: same as before, konsole: special chars are not displayed (in addition to former effect)
[15:09] <SMP> interesting. on first sight it looks like I don't need these lines (anymore)
[15:10] <SMP> netrunner: open an xterm, make sure LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 is set, then start another xterm from that shell. does that xterm print any errors?
[15:12] <netrunner> SMP: hey, you're magic :) "Warning: locale not supported by C library, locale unchanged."
[15:13] <netrunner> did I forget to set any build options?
[15:13] <SMP> probably not.
[15:14] <SMP> netrunner: /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED exists and contains de_DE.UTF-8 ?
[15:16] <netrunner> exists yes, contains no.
[15:16] <SMP> uhh. where'd you get that glibc from?
[15:17] <netrunner> SMP: current trunk
[15:17] <SMP> stupid glibc fucks
[15:17] <th> de_DE.UTF-8/UTF-8 \
[15:17] <SMP> what does "localedef --list-archive | grep de_DE" output?
[15:18] <netrunner> de_DE{,.iso88591}{,@euro}
[15:19] <th> oh i have de_DE.utf8 as well there
[15:19] <netrunner> th: I guess you are running stable there?
[15:19] <th> yes
[15:19] <th> but i've the same double-backspace effect
[15:20] <th> might be a font issue
[15:22] <netrunner> I only have a /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xserver/de_DE.UTF-8
[15:24] <SMP> netrunner: well it's no surprise it doesn't work if you don't have that locale defined
[15:25] <SMP> but I really wonder why this happens with th. I cannot reproduce that behaviour, no matter how much I cripple my environment
[15:25] <th> propably layer8 related
[15:25] <netrunner> th: what version of glibc are you using? I have 2.3.3
[15:25] <blindcoder> hehe
[15:26] <th> 2.3.2
[15:26] <SMP> netrunner: run as root: localedef -c -f UTF-8 -i de_DE de_DE.utf8
[15:27] <netrunner> SMP: success :)
[15:28] <netrunner> SMP: error and weird behaviour vanished.
[15:28] <th> not for me
[15:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: could you write a bit about that into ROCKDoc?
[15:30] <netrunner> blindcoder: yup
[15:30] <netrunner> blindcoder: maybe when I am back from work :)
[15:31] <netrunner> what blog software do you use?
[15:31] <netrunner> wow. just rebooted, many coredumps are throwing against me :(
[15:32] <netrunner> seems not all pieces of software on the system linke utf8 :(
[15:32] <netrunner> sed, grep ...
[15:34] <netrunner> yeah, mostly sed and grep are dumping core now.
[15:34] <SMP> netrunner: the .inputrc lines I gave you should be in the default /etc/inputrc btw. - can you check?
[15:35] <netrunner> SMP: ack
[15:35] <blindcoder> netrunner: no blog, it's wiki
[15:36] <netrunner> blindcoder: I am not talking about rockdoc, just remembered some of you write blogs
[15:36] <owl> netrunner: /me uses plog
[15:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: fake does
[15:36] <blindcoder> and daja77 
[15:36] <blindcoder> not me
[15:36] <blindcoder> nothing interesting to write about
[15:37] <SMP> I can't remember anything ever dump core just because it was running in a Unicode locale - there isn't even an imaginable reason, let alone an excuse for that
[15:37] <SMP> netrunner: can you get a backtrace?
[15:38] <netrunner> SMP: hard, as the binaries are stripped. I'll seen.
[15:39] <netrunner> gdb as well as rm dump too.
[15:40] <SMP> well, unset LANG
[15:41] <netrunner> yes. is the highest number the most recent or the lowest?
[15:41] <netrunner> last message I get is "Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?)
[15:41] <netrunner> in _dl_unload_cache () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[15:42] <SMP> top 3 to 5 lines are interesting
[15:42] <netrunner> #0 is in iswalnum() from /lib/libc.so.6
[15:42] <netrunner> #1-3 in regfree()
[15:42] <netrunner> #4 regcomp
[15:42] <netrunner> #5 l64a () 
[15:42] <SMP> cool. somebody shoot the glibc fuckers
[15:42] <th> netrunner: better buy a new computer now.
[15:43] <netrunner> th: ?
[15:43] <th> netrunner: no matter that
[15:43] <netrunner> is this something about the 64 indicating 64 bit architecture?
[15:44] <netrunner> (which this is not)
[15:45] <SMP> man l64a
[15:45] <netrunner> ic
[15:52] <netrunner> SMP: you think it is a bug in glibc?
[15:54] <SMP> yeah, well, hum. I can't think of a good reason why iswalnum() should be allowed to do that
[15:56] <netrunner> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/glibc/glibc-2.3.5.tar.bz2  <-- who want's to upgrade? :)
[15:56] <SMP> versions past 2.3.3 are broken
[15:56] <SMP> did I say shoot the glibc fuckers recently?
[15:57] <netrunner> SMP: imho you can decrease that minor by 1 :)
[15:57] <netrunner> can't we build the system on mono or something? :)
[15:57] <SMP> I have some machines on glibc 2.3.3 with no problems yet
[15:57] <netrunner> on utf8?
[15:58] <SMP> no. will try
[15:58] <netrunner> thx
[15:59] <SMP> also lacking a predefined de_DE.UTF-8 locale
[16:00] <_hannes> hi
[16:00] <blindcoder> moin _hannes 
[16:00] <_hannes> hi blindcoder 
[16:00] <SMP> Core was generated by `ls '.
[16:00] <SMP> Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
[16:00] <_hannes> cool to meet you
[16:00] <SMP> #0  0x400dd561 in iswprint () from /lib/libc.so.6
[16:00] <_hannes> blindcoder: about the rock-stuff
[16:01] <SMP> haha. incredible
[16:01] <blindcoder> _hannes: yeah
[16:01] <_hannes> blindcoder: i think i'll arrive 21:19 berlin zoo
[16:01] <blindcoder> _hannes: I'll leave for Ingolstadt on Friday
[16:01] <_hannes> on thursday
[16:01] <_hannes> blindcoder: i'll take the train to ingolstadt on monday
[16:02] <blindcoder> _hannes: you could come to me then :)
[16:02] <_hannes> are you in berlin on monday?
[16:02] <blindcoder> _hannes: I'll arrive on sunday evening
[16:02] <_hannes> that's fine
[16:02] <blindcoder> _hannes: or I just stash it at bitz
[16:02] <_hannes> blindcoder: i don't know if i have time to go there
[16:03] <_hannes> blindcoder: better keep it in berlin
[16:03] <_hannes> i have the full monday time in berlin, or we meet sunday night
[16:03] <blindcoder> _hannes: when do you leave on monday?
[16:03] <_hannes> i think late afternoon
[16:04] <blindcoder> _hannes: I'll be back in berlin at 22:30
[16:04] <blindcoder> so if you have time to spare by then
[16:04] <_hannes> that's fine. i'll be by then in the ccc clubrooms
[16:05] <_hannes> and after that we can go somewhere to have one(!) coke, beer...
[16:05] <blindcoder> okay :)
[16:06] <_hannes> blindcoder: you have to work on monday?
[16:06] <blindcoder> yes
[16:07] <_hannes> :/
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[16:14] <blindcoder> _hannes: but I could be a bit late :)
[16:14] <_hannes> that would be fine
[16:14] <_hannes> can i sleep sunday => monday at yours?
[16:15] <blindcoder> sure
[16:15] <blindcoder> if you promise to use the bath before :)
[16:15] <_hannes> promise!
[16:16] <_hannes> hmm...
[16:16] <_hannes> will be bad weather in berlin at the weekend
[16:16] <blindcoder> as if you'll notice :P
[16:17] <_hannes> ehh..
[16:17] <_hannes> that's a camp
[16:17] <_hannes> hackcenter-tent...
[16:17] <_hannes> as i understood
[16:18] <blindcoder> ah
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