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[01:19] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-060-180.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:36] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-058-028.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:36] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [03:23] bourneagain (~Hello@adsl-67-125-107-48.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) joined #rocklinux. [03:24] bourneagain (~Hello@adsl-67-125-107-48.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) left #rocklinux. [04:27] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [06:20] steffen_ (steffen@p54993C5F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [06:28] SteffenP (steffen@p5499672D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:50] steffen_ (steffen@p54993C5F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:45] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-103-029.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [07:45] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-094-188.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:45] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [07:46] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-103-029.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [07:50] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-103-029.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:00] [anders-mcafee] (~assassin@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:08] <blindcoder> moin [09:20] <netrunner> moin, 2 [09:46] <netrunner> hm. my config is loosing information :( [10:00] [anders-mcafee] (~assassin@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [10:17] <netrunner> ah, once I use the official patch, it works :) [10:17] <netrunner> (bootsplash) [10:17] <netrunner> but my config yet again lost it's contents :( [10:17] <netrunner> at least the contents I added to it. [11:02] <daja77> .oO (rocklinux? was koschtet des?) [11:04] <netrunner> rocklinux is not koscher. [11:04] <netrunner> sweat and blood of many nerds is in there. [11:04] <daja77> don't mention the swaet of nerds ... [11:04] <netrunner> :) [11:08] <blindcoder> hehe [11:08] <blindcoder> I had a shower this morning! [11:08] <blindcoder> no drop of sweat on me [11:08] <daja77> hah prove it! [11:08] Action: blindcoder strips [11:08] <blindcoder> there you are! [11:08] <daja77> waaah [11:09] <daja77> hm gentoo fixed their wlan0 at least i can write here now [11:10] <blindcoder> hehe [11:13] <netrunner> can anyone explain the reason of the reconfiguring to me? [11:15] <blindcoder> ehm, no? [11:15] <netrunner> c'mon, there must be a reason why scripts/Config is run during build. [11:16] <blindcoder> everytime a file changes it is re-run [11:19] <netrunner> yes. but it misses my cool change to linux/config.in :( [11:19] <netrunner> and therefore removes my cool additions :(( [11:20] <blindcoder> hmm [11:21] <blindcoder> strange [11:21] <netrunner> what I did: source from linux/config.in all package/*/*/pkg_config_linux.in [11:21] <netrunner> this gives me the possibility to extend the linux config menu and add driver options where they belong. [11:23] <blindcoder> should work [11:24] <fake> hi there [11:24] <fake> netrunner: we have your ticket ready ;) [11:24] <daja77> hm do you had breakfast already? [11:27] <blindcoder> daja77: where's the report? *nudge* *nudge* [11:28] <daja77> blindcoder: day 0 is on my blog, day 1 I'll write after some food ... [11:28] <fake> breakfast? [11:28] <fake> where? [11:29] <daja77> fake: that' waht I am asking ;) [11:30] <esden> moin [11:30] <blindcoder> daja77: could you also post it to the mailinglist? [11:30] <fake> daja77: i had one coffee already [11:30] <blindcoder> daja77: you know, not everyone reads your blog (yet) [11:30] <blindcoder> moin moin esden [11:30] <daja77> fake: coffee would be good, i EVEN HAVE A MUG [11:30] <daja77> damn [11:30] <fake> daja77: i don't [11:31] <daja77> fake: want to share one? [11:31] <daja77> ;) [11:31] <daja77> blindcoder: I know, I can copy and paste the text to the ml if you like [11:31] <fake> daja77: i 'll rip one off some commercial booth [11:31] <blindcoder> daja77: that would be great [11:32] <esden> does anyone have experiance with file delta algorithms? For example diff? Can anyone of you point me to a good description of at least one such algorithm? [11:32] <blindcoder> esden: I implemented one such thing for subwiki [11:32] <daja77> just prefer editing the blog instead of using that crappy webmailer from here [11:32] <blindcoder> primitive, but working [11:32] <blindcoder> daja77: no ssh? [11:32] Action: daja77 knows who wrote about his the diploma [11:32] <esden> blindcoder: heuristic based? [11:33] <blindcoder> esden: hoeh? simply parsing both files [11:34] <esden> you mean going throug both files and looking for the first mismatch and then searching for the next match further in one and the other file somehow? [11:34] <blindcoder> yeah [11:34] <esden> that is heuristic based ;) [11:34] <blindcoder> aaah :) [11:35] <blindcoder> speak to me in terms I understand [11:35] <esden> but heuristic is shorter then the sentence before ;) [11:35] <blindcoder> :P [11:35] <blindcoder> I'm a coder, not a buzzword machine [11:36] <esden> that is not a buzzword ... it is a theoretic computer science expression :P [11:36] <esden> or better math ... [11:36] <blindcoder> whatever [11:36] <blindcoder> esden: https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/diff.py [11:38] <esden> thanks [11:43] <th> how much rw access to rootfs do we need? at this moment i can only think of /etc/mtab [11:43] <th> could you give me some more? [11:43] <th> /var /tmp is all separate [11:44] <th> hmmm ld cache [11:44] <th> hmmmmmm [11:53] <fake> th: see livecd [11:55] <th> fake: i knew it. [12:36] <th> fake: i grepped for mtab and cant find it [12:36] <th> fake: strange [12:36] <fake> th: it's created [12:36] <fake> in the initscript [12:36] <th> yea sure [12:37] <th> in system [12:37] <fake> i think /etc is writeable anyways [12:37] <th> ahh k [12:37] <th> whole etc? [12:37] <th> by symlink? [12:37] <fake> in the new version, everything is writeable [12:37] <fake> in previous version, etc itself was writeable, with non-writeable files symlinked in [12:38] <fake> and non writeable directories [12:38] <th> ahh [12:38] <th> k [12:38] <th> i was thinking about making / ro only on a standard install [12:38] <th> but i think i should make /usr ro only instead [12:39] <th> not the perfect solution though [12:39] <th> IMHO /lib /bin /sbin et al should be ro too [12:41] <th> wrt FHS /usr should be ro [12:41] <th> i dont see why this shouldnt aply to /lib /{s,}bin et al as well [12:48] Action: fake thinks of /lib/modules... [12:48] <fake> ldconfig creates symlinks in /usr/lib /lib ... [12:51] <th> well yes but i dont need to run ldconfig [12:51] <th> only at install time [13:00] <SMP> make / an ext3 fs and set /{sbin,bin,lib} recursively immutable [13:02] <_hannes> so, we have free voip here at the booth :) [13:06] <esden> is that something extraordinary? o_O [13:12] <th> immutable is recusivable? [13:12] <th> smp? [13:12] <th> SMP: can i do that with xfs too? [13:13] <_hannes> esden: into the german pstn, too [13:22] <netrunner> # Hi, esden here, very ill stuff here [13:22] <netrunner> tsts [13:23] <blindcoder> s/ill/sick/ [13:27] youngcoder (~codemaste@220M09.oasis.mediatti.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:27] <SMP> th: recursive as in chattr -R [13:28] <SMP> th: don't think XFS has attributes - could probably be done with labels [13:32] <th> at least chattr works on xfs [13:32] <th> with immutable flag [13:32] <th> chattr -R hmmmmm [13:32] <th> do i really want a -R +i ? [13:32] <th> sounds scary to me [13:32] <th> to touch every file [13:36] <SMP> hu? [13:36] <netrunner> good explanation for basic xml: https://img142.echo.cx/my.php?image=eb8tuuztg5ut.jpg [13:37] <blindcoder> why do I always click your links again and again at work? [13:38] <th> SMP: well it does not really make things read only [13:38] <th> SMP: like it skips links [13:38] <th> SMP: and it takes a while to switch between rw/ro [13:38] <th> unlike a remount would [13:39] <SMP> a link on a ro-fs doesn't affect the writeability of the linked file on another fs, too ;-) [13:40] <th> i'm more concerned of the link itself [13:41] <th> perhaps i should just keep /usr as ro [13:41] <th> hmmmm [13:42] <SMP> fiddling with immutable is often just overkill [13:42] <th> true - but i feel like readonly /usr makes sense [13:43] <SMP> yeah, I use that, too [13:45] <th> but as /usr makes sense to be ro, i think the same applies to /sbin /bin and /lib as well [13:48] <SMP> it does for the most part, but it's not as simple to do [13:50] <daja77> th: if you like, I could upload another crystal iso, I built last weekend [13:52] <th> daja77: stable? [13:52] <daja77> what do you mean by stable? it runs on my laptop now [13:52] <th> SMP: i can see the reason for stuff in /etc but are there any issues with /{s,}bin and /lib ? [13:53] <th> daja77: ahh crystal iso must be trunk. cause stable does not have crystal [13:53] <daja77> yes [13:53] <th> daja77: it's not my decision. if you want i can put it online for you [13:53] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) joined #rocklinux. [13:56] <th> is there a webdav filesystem for linux? [13:56] <daja77> yes [13:56] <daja77> davfs [13:56] <th> needs kernel patch? [13:56] <daja77> hm not sure [13:57] <th> thanks [13:57] <SMP> th: no issues - that's why chattr -R +i works so well [13:58] <SMP> off, later. [13:58] <th> k. cya [14:02] <th> davfs2 is coda based. *shiver* [14:03] <daja77> O_o [14:09] <th> uhhhh do i understand that right? subversion-1.2 makes the svn_sm.patch unnecessary? [14:09] <netrunner> jup [14:09] <th> great [14:09] <netrunner> as far as I saw [14:10] <netrunner> last upgrade already included a part of it [14:10] <th> i just noticed that the update-patch removes that patch [14:10] <th> .. submaster needs to be switched over to 'svm' for syncing [14:11] <netrunner> th: there is already a comment or patch about this floating around somewhere. [14:11] <blindcoder> what's svm? [14:11] <th> i dont know [14:11] <blindcoder> okay :( [14:12] <th> propably related to sub{version,master} [14:13] <daja77> netrunner: clifford needs to modify sm for the new svn, so you shouldn't upgrade yet [14:14] <th> daja77: but still we wont need a patched subversion after that modification? [14:14] <daja77> think so [14:14] <th> would be cool [14:14] <th> i always disliked patching subversion [14:15] <th> thats propably because i dont use submaster except for its webinterface [14:15] <daja77> th: clifford just said that we won't need to patch it then [14:15] <th> good [14:15] <daja77> :) [14:22] Action: netrunner is getting used to submaster. even if it delays changes, it makes them more proof [14:22] <th> i'm not talking about the process [14:22] <blindcoder> I really only use the webinterface [14:22] <netrunner> th: I know. [14:22] <th> blindcoder: just like me [14:23] <netrunner> if someone has time, please try to find the issue with 2005062314222211386 [14:23] <blindcoder> and my little shell script to submit patches :) [14:23] <blindcoder> netrunner: find $base/package ? [14:25] <netrunner> huch [14:25] <blindcoder> just an idea [14:26] <netrunner> yes, forgot to merge that other revision. but that's not the point, it looses it's configuration during the build. [14:26] <blindcoder> hmm [14:27] <netrunner> if I do scripts/Config, then scripts/Build-Target -cfg bla -job 9-linux26 then it works, but then the config has vanished from the config/bla/config [14:30] <daja77> btw thx for 2.6.12 update [14:30] <youngcoder> moin [14:32] <netrunner> daja77: you're welcome. I fought 2 days with bootsplash adoption, but then found that someone else did it :) [14:41] <netrunner> hm. have I mentioned that scripts/Build-Target -cfg bla -job 9-commonc++ does not work? [15:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: because it's scripts/Build-Pkg? [15:15] <netrunner> blindcoder: I don't want to build it in my current system but in a build I have there in build/ [15:16] <blindcoder> -root [15:17] <netrunner> and would it create .gem's? [15:17] <blindcoder> yes [15:17] <blindcoder> hmm [15:17] <blindcoder> actually, I don't know [15:17] <blindcoder> maybe the gems are created by Build-Target [15:17] <blindcoder> but you can use mine to create them [15:29] treo (~xfman@Da20f.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [15:29] SteffenP (~steffen@p54993C5F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:29] <treo> hi [16:11] druidu (~druid@85.186.194.242) joined #rocklinux. [16:38] druidu (~druid@85.186.194.242) left irc: [16:39] youngcoder (~codemaste@220M09.oasis.mediatti.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:37] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) left #rocklinux. [17:57] [anders-mcafee] (~assassin@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) joined #rocklinux. [18:15] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) left #rocklinux. [18:34] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.114) joined #rocklinux. [18:37] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.82) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [18:38] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [19:36] SteffenP (~steffen@p54993C5F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] |treo| (~xfman@Dd68a.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [19:57] treo (~xfman@Da20f.d.pppool.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:58] Nick change: |treo| -> treo [20:00] Action: treo is away: AFK [20:00] Action: treo is back (gone 00:00:09) [20:33] SteffenP (steffen@p54993C5F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [21:26] <netrunner> with the new bootsplash patch I instantly got a splash screen to work :) [21:31] <blindcoder> nice [21:32] <netrunner> if just someone has a pointer for the loosing config thing, we could ship livecd or builds with rocklinux bootlogo :) [21:32] <netrunner> blindcoder: does rocklinux.org respond to you? [21:32] <blindcoder> yes [21:32] <netrunner> :( [21:33] <netrunner> bind stuck. [21:36] <netrunner> oh, google is caching our .iso's :) [21:37] <blindcoder> heh [21:59] <netrunner> daja77: would you care creating a bootsplash package of the logo you created? or could you give me the fullsize image? [22:15] SteffenP (steffen@p54993C5F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:32] netrunne1 (~andreas@p549808D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [22:33] netrunner (~andreas@p54980D3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:33] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [22:53] treo (~xfman@Dd68a.d.pppool.de) left irc: "safe the Planet, kill yourself" [22:59] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) joined #rocklinux. [23:45] veki (~chatzilla@217.24.19.40) left #rocklinux. [23:52] <esden> huhu [23:52] <esden> blindcoder: ping [00:00] --- Fri Jun 24 2005