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[08:08] <blindcoder> moin
[09:20] <netrunner> moin, 2
[09:46] <netrunner> hm. my config is loosing information :(
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[10:17] <netrunner> ah, once I use the official patch, it works :)
[10:17] <netrunner> (bootsplash)
[10:17] <netrunner> but my config yet again lost it's contents :(
[10:17] <netrunner> at least the contents I added to it.
[11:02] <daja77> .oO (rocklinux? was koschtet des?)
[11:04] <netrunner> rocklinux is not koscher.
[11:04] <netrunner> sweat and blood of many nerds is in there.
[11:04] <daja77> don't mention the swaet of nerds ...
[11:04] <netrunner> :)
[11:08] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:08] <blindcoder> I had a shower this morning!
[11:08] <blindcoder> no drop of sweat on me
[11:08] <daja77> hah prove it!
[11:08] Action: blindcoder strips
[11:08] <blindcoder> there you are!
[11:08] <daja77> waaah
[11:09] <daja77> hm gentoo fixed their wlan0 at least i can write here now
[11:10] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:13] <netrunner> can anyone explain the reason of the reconfiguring to me?
[11:15] <blindcoder> ehm, no?
[11:15] <netrunner> c'mon, there must be a reason why scripts/Config is run during build.
[11:16] <blindcoder> everytime a file changes it is re-run
[11:19] <netrunner> yes. but it misses my cool change to linux/config.in :(
[11:19] <netrunner> and therefore removes my cool additions :((
[11:20] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:21] <blindcoder> strange
[11:21] <netrunner> what I did: source from linux/config.in all package/*/*/pkg_config_linux.in
[11:21] <netrunner> this gives me the possibility to extend the linux config menu and add driver options where they belong.
[11:23] <blindcoder> should work
[11:24] <fake> hi there
[11:24] <fake> netrunner: we have your ticket ready ;)
[11:24] <daja77> hm do you had breakfast already?
[11:27] <blindcoder> daja77: where's the report? *nudge* *nudge*
[11:28] <daja77> blindcoder: day 0 is on my blog, day 1 I'll write after some food ...
[11:28] <fake> breakfast?
[11:28] <fake> where?
[11:29] <daja77> fake: that' waht I am asking ;)
[11:30] <esden> moin
[11:30] <blindcoder> daja77: could you also post it to the mailinglist?
[11:30] <fake> daja77: i had one coffee already
[11:30] <blindcoder> daja77: you know, not everyone reads your blog (yet)
[11:30] <blindcoder> moin moin esden 
[11:30] <daja77> fake: coffee would be good, i EVEN HAVE A MUG
[11:30] <daja77> damn
[11:30] <fake> daja77: i don't
[11:31] <daja77> fake: want to share one?
[11:31] <daja77> ;)
[11:31] <daja77> blindcoder: I know, I can copy and paste the text to the ml if you like
[11:31] <fake> daja77: i 'll rip one off some commercial booth
[11:31] <blindcoder> daja77: that would be great
[11:32] <esden> does anyone have experiance with file delta algorithms? For example diff? Can anyone of you point me to a good description of at least one such algorithm?
[11:32] <blindcoder> esden: I implemented one such thing for subwiki
[11:32] <daja77> just prefer editing the blog instead of using that crappy webmailer from here
[11:32] <blindcoder> primitive, but working
[11:32] <blindcoder> daja77: no ssh?
[11:32] Action: daja77 knows who wrote about his the diploma
[11:32] <esden> blindcoder: heuristic based?
[11:33] <blindcoder> esden: hoeh? simply parsing both files
[11:34] <esden> you mean going throug both files and looking for the first mismatch and then searching for the next match further in one and the other file somehow?
[11:34] <blindcoder> yeah
[11:34] <esden> that is heuristic based ;)
[11:34] <blindcoder> aaah :)
[11:35] <blindcoder> speak to me in terms I understand
[11:35] <esden> but heuristic is shorter then the sentence before ;)
[11:35] <blindcoder> :P
[11:35] <blindcoder> I'm a coder, not a buzzword machine
[11:36] <esden> that is not a buzzword ... it is a theoretic computer science expression :P
[11:36] <esden> or better math ...
[11:36] <blindcoder> whatever
[11:36] <blindcoder> esden: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/diff.py
[11:38] <esden> thanks
[11:43] <th> how much rw access to rootfs do we need? at this moment i can only think of /etc/mtab
[11:43] <th> could you give me some more?
[11:43] <th> /var /tmp is all separate
[11:44] <th> hmmm ld cache
[11:44] <th> hmmmmmm
[11:53] <fake> th: see livecd
[11:55] <th> fake: i knew it.
[12:36] <th> fake: i grepped for mtab and cant find it
[12:36] <th> fake: strange
[12:36] <fake> th: it's created
[12:36] <fake> in the initscript
[12:36] <th> yea sure
[12:37] <th> in system
[12:37] <fake> i think /etc is writeable anyways
[12:37] <th> ahh k
[12:37] <th> whole etc?
[12:37] <th> by symlink?
[12:37] <fake> in the new version, everything is writeable
[12:37] <fake> in previous version, etc itself was writeable, with non-writeable files symlinked in
[12:38] <fake> and non writeable  directories
[12:38] <th> ahh 
[12:38] <th> k
[12:38] <th> i was thinking about making / ro only on a standard install
[12:38] <th> but i think i should make /usr ro only instead
[12:39] <th> not the perfect solution though
[12:39] <th> IMHO /lib /bin /sbin et al should be ro too
[12:41] <th> wrt FHS /usr should be ro
[12:41] <th> i dont see why this shouldnt aply to /lib /{s,}bin et al as well
[12:48] Action: fake thinks of /lib/modules...
[12:48] <fake> ldconfig creates symlinks in /usr/lib /lib ...
[12:51] <th> well yes but i dont need to run ldconfig
[12:51] <th> only at install time
[13:00] <SMP> make / an ext3 fs and set /{sbin,bin,lib} recursively immutable
[13:02] <_hannes> so, we have free voip here at the booth :)
[13:06] <esden> is that something extraordinary? o_O
[13:12] <th> immutable is recusivable?
[13:12] <th> smp?
[13:12] <th> SMP: can i do that with xfs too?
[13:13] <_hannes> esden: into the german pstn, too
[13:22] <netrunner> # Hi, esden here, very ill stuff here
[13:22] <netrunner> tsts
[13:23] <blindcoder> s/ill/sick/
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[13:27] <SMP> th: recursive as in chattr -R
[13:28] <SMP> th: don't think XFS has attributes - could probably be done with labels
[13:32] <th> at least chattr works on xfs
[13:32] <th> with immutable flag
[13:32] <th> chattr -R hmmmmm
[13:32] <th> do i really want a -R +i ?
[13:32] <th> sounds scary to me
[13:32] <th> to touch every file
[13:36] <SMP> hu?
[13:36] <netrunner> good explanation for basic xml: http://img142.echo.cx/my.php?image=eb8tuuztg5ut.jpg
[13:37] <blindcoder> why do I always click your links again and again at work?
[13:38] <th> SMP: well it does not really make things read only
[13:38] <th> SMP: like it skips links
[13:38] <th> SMP: and it takes a while to switch between rw/ro
[13:38] <th> unlike a remount would
[13:39] <SMP> a link on a ro-fs doesn't affect the writeability of the linked file on another fs, too ;-)
[13:40] <th> i'm more concerned of the link itself
[13:41] <th> perhaps i should just keep /usr as ro
[13:41] <th> hmmmm
[13:42] <SMP> fiddling with immutable is often just overkill
[13:42] <th> true - but i feel like readonly /usr makes sense
[13:43] <SMP> yeah, I use that, too
[13:45] <th> but as /usr makes sense to be ro, i think the same applies to /sbin /bin and /lib as well
[13:48] <SMP> it does for the most part, but it's not as simple to do
[13:50] <daja77> th: if you like, I could upload another crystal iso, I built last weekend
[13:52] <th> daja77: stable?
[13:52] <daja77> what do you mean by stable? it runs on my laptop now
[13:52] <th> SMP: i can see the reason for stuff in /etc but are there any issues with /{s,}bin and /lib ?
[13:53] <th> daja77: ahh crystal iso must be trunk. cause stable does not have crystal
[13:53] <daja77> yes
[13:53] <th> daja77: it's not my decision. if you want i can put it online for you
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[13:56] <th> is there a webdav filesystem for linux?
[13:56] <daja77> yes
[13:56] <daja77> davfs
[13:56] <th> needs kernel patch?
[13:56] <daja77> hm not sure
[13:57] <th> thanks
[13:57] <SMP> th: no issues - that's why chattr -R +i works so well
[13:58] <SMP> off, later.
[13:58] <th> k. cya
[14:02] <th> davfs2 is coda based. *shiver*
[14:03] <daja77> O_o
[14:09] <th> uhhhh do i understand that right? subversion-1.2 makes the svn_sm.patch unnecessary?
[14:09] <netrunner> jup
[14:09] <th> great
[14:09] <netrunner> as far as I saw
[14:10] <netrunner> last upgrade already included a part of it
[14:10] <th> i just noticed that the update-patch removes that patch
[14:10] <th>     .. submaster needs to be switched over to 'svm' for syncing
[14:11] <netrunner> th: there is already a comment or patch about this floating around somewhere.
[14:11] <blindcoder> what's svm?
[14:11] <th> i dont know
[14:11] <blindcoder> okay :(
[14:12] <th> propably related to sub{version,master}
[14:13] <daja77> netrunner: clifford needs to modify sm for the new svn, so you shouldn't upgrade yet
[14:14] <th> daja77: but still we wont need a patched subversion after that modification?
[14:14] <daja77> think so
[14:14] <th> would be cool
[14:14] <th> i always disliked patching subversion
[14:15] <th> thats propably because i dont use submaster except for its webinterface
[14:15] <daja77> th: clifford just said that we won't need to patch it then
[14:15] <th> good
[14:15] <daja77> :)
[14:22] Action: netrunner is getting used to submaster. even if it delays changes, it makes them more proof
[14:22] <th> i'm not talking about the process
[14:22] <blindcoder> I really only use the webinterface
[14:22] <netrunner> th: I know.
[14:22] <th> blindcoder: just like me
[14:23] <netrunner> if someone has time, please try to find the issue with 2005062314222211386
[14:23] <blindcoder> and my little shell script to submit patches :)
[14:23] <blindcoder> netrunner: find $base/package ?
[14:25] <netrunner> huch
[14:25] <blindcoder> just an idea
[14:26] <netrunner> yes, forgot to merge that other revision. but that's not the point, it looses it's configuration during the build.
[14:26] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:27] <netrunner> if I do scripts/Config, then scripts/Build-Target -cfg bla -job 9-linux26 then it works, but then the config has vanished from the config/bla/config
[14:30] <daja77> btw thx for 2.6.12 update
[14:30] <youngcoder> moin
[14:32] <netrunner> daja77: you're welcome. I fought 2 days with bootsplash adoption, but then found that someone else did it :)
[14:41] <netrunner> hm. have I mentioned that scripts/Build-Target -cfg bla -job 9-commonc++ does not work?
[15:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: because it's scripts/Build-Pkg?
[15:15] <netrunner> blindcoder: I don't want to build it in my current system but in a build I have there in build/
[15:16] <blindcoder> -root
[15:17] <netrunner> and would it create .gem's?
[15:17] <blindcoder> yes
[15:17] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:17] <blindcoder> actually, I don't know
[15:17] <blindcoder> maybe the gems are created by Build-Target
[15:17] <blindcoder> but you can use mine to create them
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[15:29] <treo> hi
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[21:26] <netrunner> with the new bootsplash patch I instantly got a splash screen to work :)
[21:31] <blindcoder> nice
[21:32] <netrunner> if just someone has a pointer for the loosing config thing, we could ship livecd or builds with rocklinux bootlogo :)
[21:32] <netrunner> blindcoder: does rocklinux.org respond to you?
[21:32] <blindcoder> yes
[21:32] <netrunner> :(
[21:33] <netrunner> bind stuck.
[21:36] <netrunner> oh, google is caching our .iso's :)
[21:37] <blindcoder> heh
[21:59] <netrunner> daja77: would you care creating a bootsplash package of the logo you created? or could you give me the fullsize image?
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[23:52] <esden> huhu
[23:52] <esden> blindcoder: ping
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