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[08:15] <netrunner> moin
[08:15] <_hannes> hi netrunner 
[08:18] <daja77> hi you two
[08:19] <_hannes> hi daja77 
[08:19] <_hannes> tour de france comes to karlsruhe tomorrow :(
[08:45] <blindcoder> moin
[08:45] <_hannes> hi blindcoder 
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[11:54] <netrunne1> rene took maintainership of an interesting tool called minised, seems to be 5 times faster than original sed
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[12:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: and 20% as featured?
[12:09] <netrunner> blindcoder: what shall's, if it contains all required features?
[12:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: life has more features also, but I only require my pc at home :)
[12:12] <blindcoder> life is overrated
[12:13] Action: blindcoder goes to play some slashem
[12:57] <blindcoder> clifford: ping
[13:03] <netrunner> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,364104,00.html
[13:04] <blindcoder> yeah, someone is pissed at the IOC
[13:04] <netrunner> bomb explosions in london, gsm network restricted to security personell, british army in london
[13:05] <blindcoder> so no mobile phones for everyone anymore?
[13:07] <blindcoder> clifford: nevermind
[13:09] <esden> moin
[13:16] <esden> humm ... damn terrorists! they prevent normal people from using their cellphones ;)
[13:18] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[13:19] <esden> ahh someone alive ... nice ;)
[13:22] Action: blindcoder ?
[13:22] <blindcoder> no
[13:22] <blindcoder> well, barely
[13:24] <esden> blindcoder: ahh ok ... humm
[13:26] <blindcoder> esden: trying to read cliffords code :)
[13:31] <esden> me trying to find some usefull unittesting for XCode/objective C
[13:31] <blindcoder> unittesting?
[13:33] <esden> yes something most open source projects miss ... a framework for writing tests that test components of your software 
[13:33] <blindcoder> esden: AskIgor?
[13:33] <esden> in the paradigms of OO software a component is a class
[13:34] <blindcoder> http://programming.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/06/30/1549248&tid=140
[13:34] <esden> erm ... nope askigor is something different
[13:35] <esden> and no ... unittesting is not debugging
[13:36] <blindcoder> okay
[13:36] <esden> with unittests you test the interfaces you want to code and surely try to get all cases that may lead to an error but with that tests you can only tell what is working and not what is not working
[13:36] <esden> when you find a bug you first write a test and after that you fix the bug
[13:37] <esden> so that when you reintroduce a bug you will be prompted about that
[13:38] <blindcoder> okay, I get the first two, but not the third line
[13:40] <esden> when you code you run the tests over and over again
[13:41] <esden> every time when you coded a chunk of new code or changed something
[13:41] <esden> if all tests run through then it is fine
[13:41] <esden> but when one test fails you see it ... and can fix it
[13:41] <blindcoder> hmm, okay
[13:42] <blindcoder> sounds like a lot of overhead
[13:42] <esden> overhead? less bugs and stable code is overhead?
[13:42] <esden> the unittesting libraries try to minimize the amount of code you have to write to create the tests
[13:43] <esden> and yes tests are nearly the same amount of code as the acctual application code
[13:43] <esden> if the system is tested correctly
[13:44] <esden> but the overhead pays out trust me I know ;)
[13:44] <esden> I already tried it ... and I do not want to miss it in any new program I code
[13:45] <esden> read this: http://www.esden.net/blog/archives/11 and http://www.esden.net/blog/archives/10
[13:45] <esden> perhups you understand ;)
[13:48] <esden> I think that unittesting is something that should be "selbstverstaendlich" when you code ... and not "that is overhead" "that takes more time" "I am to lazy to test my code" that are all arguments against it ... but that also explains why so much oss I get in my hands is so bad in quality ... like for example the xmlrpc implementation in serendipity ... god that is such a ill thing I still could scream! :)
[13:56] <blindcoder> I meant the overhead in running it for every one-line change
[13:56] <blindcoder> you know, I don't want to wait 5+ minutes for the changes to finish just because I changed a /2 to a >>1
[13:56] <blindcoder> s/changes/checks/
[13:59] <esden> erm I run the tests after I coded for a while ... I imlpemnt a new feature write tests for it run recompile the project run the tests
[13:59] <esden> then fix the bugs that I found through running the tests 
[13:59] <esden> and start to imlpment other stuff
[13:59] <esden> when the change is one line of code then you also have to recompile the project ... running the tests is very fast
[13:59] <esden> the long thing is compiling the project
[14:00] <blindcoder> so, running a bunch of tests for a project like nethack is fast? I seriously doubt that
[14:01] <blindcoder> eww
[14:01] <blindcoder> CLIFFORD!!!
[14:01] <blindcoder> I HATE YOU! j/k
[14:04] <blindcoder> clifford: in your typo3 export.sh you should do a sort -r urlsubst.sed before giving it to sed
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[14:47] <blindcoder> HAH!
[14:47] <blindcoder> EAT THIS, CLIFFORD'S CODE!
[15:07] <esden> erm ... what have you done? triggerd a fusion bomb in clifford's code?
[15:13] <blindcoder> no
[15:13] <blindcoder> fixed cliffords typo3 -> static pages script so that even plugins using the characters & [ and ] in the urls work
[15:15] <blindcoder> now www.crash-override.net finally serves static pages
[15:15] <blindcoder> instead of reloading them from the database every time they're viewed
[15:46] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:46] <blindcoder> still behaves strange
[15:46] <blindcoder> I have to rm -rf the old directory (which ought to work as a cache AFAICS) or the changes won't be noticed
[15:56] <esden> hrm ... 
[15:56] <esden> so everytime you update the static pages you have to delete all and then update? o_O
[15:59] <blindcoder> jepp
[15:59] <blindcoder> which - frankly - sucks
[15:59] <blindcoder> but well
[15:59] <blindcoder> still better than having to query the database everytime someone queries the page
[15:59] <blindcoder> now I simply run the script when I change something
[16:00] <blindcoder> and because the caching is broken I now simply deactivated it
[16:00] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:00] <blindcoder> no
[16:00] <blindcoder> wait
[16:00] <blindcoder> ah
[16:00] <blindcoder> nevermind
[16:00] <blindcoder> it's broken
[16:00] <blindcoder> not for the websites, but it's broken
[16:00] <esden> erm ... blindcoder is www.bingo-ev.de once more down or what?
[16:01] <esden> blindcoder: oook ... ;)
[16:01] <esden> so it should work faster now ;)
[16:02] <blindcoder> esden: jupp, down
[16:02] <esden> wow ... cool tracks DE:BUG rules ... a very nice blog containing the newest and hottest electronica underground music ;)
[16:02] <esden> niah niah niah
[16:02] <esden> blindcoder: ok ... thanks
[16:02] <blindcoder> esden: all files but the typo3 files are cached
[16:03] <blindcoder> esden: so if I update the stylesheet, it will still use the cached one
[16:03] <blindcoder> esden: if I update a patch I have on the site, it will not be updated on the static pages
[16:04] <esden> blindcoder: humm ... ok ... the static page generator should check the dependancies ... and if one of them changes it should recreate the page no?
[16:04] <blindcoder> and so on
[16:04] <blindcoder> I don't know what's right or wrong, I never looked much into caching websites :)
[16:04] <esden> something like make may do it ;)
[16:04] <blindcoder> yeah! let's do something make'ish in shell!
[16:05] <blindcoder> nah, I'll just have to remember it
[16:05] <esden> erm that is not really a problem ... but you also can use perl or ruby ... noone will complain I think
[16:05] <blindcoder> so remind me next time I curse about the static pages not being updated :)
[16:05] <esden> humm .. ok ... the lazyness wins ;)
[16:05] <blindcoder> yeah
[16:05] <blindcoder> mostly because I version all my binary files anyway
[16:06] <esden> deja vu ... I hate that
[16:06] <blindcoder> see http://www.crash-override.net/patchesnethack.html
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[22:49] <rugek> hola
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