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[08:34] <blindcoder> moin
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[14:00] <daja77> *sigh*
[14:06] <blindcoder> jmÜ
[14:06] <blindcoder> hm?
[14:06] <daja77> oh i was just wondering if spl is for simple scripts too
[14:08] <blindcoder> I really prefer bash for simple scripts
[14:08] <blindcoder> #define simple\ scripts everything less than 1000 LOC
[14:10] <daja77> I need to sort of parse a file, bash is not that good for this
[14:10] <esden> daja77: perl/ruby
[14:11] <esden> ruby if you want a very nice language ... but no not need so many modules
[14:11] <esden> perl if you know it already or badly need some module that it has and ruby not
[14:11] Action: esden getting hungry
[14:14] <daja77> yeah perl will do, and I started it in perl already
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[14:16] <treo> hi
[14:34] <esden> my god ... it is hot outside
[14:35] <blindcoder> hot? It has been raining lize the end of the world here
[14:35] <daja77> no rain here
[14:35] <esden> we have 36+ degrees here with sun
[14:35] <daja77> yep
[14:35] Action: daja77 points and laughs at blindcoder 
[14:36] <esden> humm ... my weather widget says 25 degrees but it feels more
[14:36] Action: blindcoder looks at hios ventilator AC
[14:36] <esden> blindcoder: :P
[14:36] Action: blindcoder points and laughs at everyone else
[14:36] <esden> blindcoder: is it working?
[14:37] <blindcoder> sure is :D
[14:37] <blindcoder> otherwise I couldn't have slept last night
[14:37] <esden> humm strange ;)
[14:37] <blindcoder> why would it be strange?
[14:37] Action: blindcoder kick esden around
[14:37] <esden> that you got it to work :P
[14:38] <daja77> hehe
[14:38] <esden> without making a bathtube out of your appartment
[14:38] <blindcoder> course I got it to work, you didn't interfere :P
[14:38] <clifford> damn mozilla sunbird!
[14:38] <esden> If I would interfere you would get the double performance!
[14:38] <daja77> erh hi clifford ;)
[14:38] <clifford> hi all!
[14:38] <esden> hi clifford 
[14:39] <blindcoder> moin clifford 
[14:39] <blindcoder> esden: feel free to help when you're here :P
[14:39] <clifford> th: ping! ping! ping!
[14:39] <esden> erm ... no I am on vacation there ;)
[14:39] <daja77> :D
[14:39] <blindcoder> hehe
[14:39] <clifford> th: I can't see how I could fix you sunbird package so it would build in TRUNK.
[14:39] <blindcoder> clifford: btw, I'm currently preparing the next newsletter. Do you have a todo-list somewhere?
[14:40] <blindcoder> for rock 3.0?
[14:40] <clifford> blindcoder: fixing sunbird has just been removed from it..  ;-)
[14:40] <clifford> wait a sec.
[14:40] <daja77> hehe
[14:41] <clifford> http://svn.clifford.at/wiki/todos-for-3.0.txt
[14:41] <daja77> clifford: may I mock a bit about spl? ;)
[14:41] <blindcoder> ah, thanks
[14:42] <clifford> the rocket stuff is defenitely the most important issue.
[14:42] Action: daja77 agrees
[14:42] <blindcoder> aren't the online installs already implemented?
[14:42] <clifford> but since I can only do developping using ssh it rather hard for me to do a fresh crystal install from TRUNK and look into it.
[14:43] <daja77> better to say, is there sth we can do in this matter?
[14:43] <clifford> ad already implemented: kind of. it needs a lot of testing and fine tuning.
[14:43] <blindcoder> clifford: wuss. I installed pallas (the machine running doc.rocklinux.org) over ssh from 600 km distance :P
[14:44] Action: daja77 downloading kde 3.4.2 atm
[14:45] <th> clifford: pong
[14:45] <blindcoder> th: same for you, any todolist for rock 2.04/2.1.0?
[14:45] <th> blindcoder: are you asking for work?
[14:45] <clifford> th: what shall I do with sunbird?
[14:46] <th> clifford: well - it builds in stable - but it's still buggy.
[14:46] <th> clifford: i'd say we drop it again for now
[14:46] <blindcoder> th: heh, kinda. I'm putting together the next newsletter
[14:46] <clifford> th: ok. do you discard the patch or should I do it?
[14:46] <th> blindcoder: well would be cool if anyone could send me usefull stable patches
[14:47] <th> clifford: just discard it - with a comment that it does not build
[14:47] <daja77> th: what kind of patches?
[14:48] <th> daja77: like bringing recent version of linux26 to stable
[14:48] <th> daja77: making it the default
[14:48] <th> daja77: like many patches to reduce the diff to trunk
[14:48] <th> daja77: updates too
[14:48] <th> but the most important:
[14:48] <th> patches that apply
[14:48] <th> patches that dont break a packages
[14:49] <daja77> clifford: i pondering the new xine update, the released xine-lib 1.0.2 and 1.1.0, the first one is the official stable, but does not support gcc4, the latter is almost stable with gcc4 support, dunno which to choose
[14:49] <daja77> did my patches not apply?
[14:49] <th> daja77: i got both type of patches from you
[14:49] <th> daja77: the main point is that i need really tested work
[14:49] <daja77> ok fine, I thought 26 as default was working then
[14:50] <daja77> tested installs and stuff?
[14:50] <clifford> daja77: I would choose 1.1.0...
[14:50] <daja77> ok
[14:51] <clifford> (that's why I must not be stable tree maintainer)
[14:51] <daja77> *gg*
[14:51] <blindcoder> th: well, you have to tell people these things. At least I can't read minds over the 'net :)
[14:51] <clifford> hmm.. now the subversion update is on the infamous top-position in the sm list of open patches..
[14:51] <daja77> clifford: btw i could do a gcc4 build again and post some logs, glibc is fixed for building but stage 1 is still not complete
[14:52] <daja77> hm think I haven't send the glibc fixes
[14:53] <blindcoder> clifford: what is this "svm" thing?
[14:53] <clifford> SVM = Svn Mirror
[14:53] <clifford> SVK is built on top of it (same author)
[14:54] <blindcoder> and what is svk? :)
[14:54] <blindcoder> I'm just using 'svn'
[14:54] <daja77> svk is a bk like framework over svn
[14:54] <clifford> svk aims to be a decentralized version control system
[14:54] <blindcoder> ah
[14:55] <daja77> clifford: so you are not at wth?
[14:55] <clifford> (but in fact it even technically enforces a hierarchic model)
[14:56] <clifford> http://www.clifford.at/papers/2004/sm/sm_paper.pdf
[14:56] <clifford> .. that's where I describe why hierarchic models are bad. ;-)
[14:56] <daja77> *gg*
[14:56] <daja77> hm I still have to debug why my sm is screwed
[14:57] <clifford> daja77: I planed to go there - but I have no time..
[14:57] <daja77> me neither
[14:58] <blindcoder> yeah, same here. Have to leave for Turkmenistan next week
[14:59] <daja77> yeah
[14:59] Action: clifford plans to spend sunday in my old flat. maybe I can do the reinstall then.. that will also make it easier to work on the sm/svm thing then..
[15:00] <daja77> to see if the mice are ruling now there? ;)
[15:00] <blindcoder> hehe
[15:00] <blindcoder> better not look into the fridge there :D
[15:01] <clifford> daja77: yes. and to get some silent minutes to proof http://www.clifford.at/priv/hanoi_core.png  .. ;-)
[15:01] <blindcoder> ls
[15:01] <daja77> ah that one 
[15:01] <blindcoder> no
[15:01] <blindcoder> you did not write a formula for towers of hanoi, did you?
[15:01] <clifford> sure id did.
[15:02] <clifford> http://www.clifford.at/priv/hanoi.cgi
[15:02] <daja77> clifford: btw I am just wondering if it is possible to do some simple line based file operations in spl, like one could do in perl, no high level stuff like xml?
[15:03] <clifford> .. does not save the old state and needs a constant time for calculating the system state just from the move number. (also for very very large move numbers)
[15:03] <blindcoder> *argh*
[15:03] <clifford> blindcoder: what? this is cool stuff!  *g*
[15:04] <clifford> daja77: you can read an entire file using file_read() and convert it to an array of lines using a regex.
[15:04] <daja77> oh ic
[15:05] <blindcoder> clifford: nevermind. I'm not mathematician enough to even understand it
[15:05] <daja77> ok I used the file_read function, it just complained about an unknown variable argv ^^
[15:05] <th> 28 / 1073741823
[15:05] <th> harr
[15:06] <clifford> th: just add a higher move number as query string.
[15:06] <clifford> daja77: query
[15:09] Action: esden hungry
[15:13] <blindcoder> esden: eat something :P
[15:24] <esden> erm ... /me making some toasts with butter in his oven
[15:24] <esden> I have nothing else 
[15:25] <blindcoder> then go shopping
[15:25] <blindcoder> finished job '5-avifile' (ERROR)
[15:25] <blindcoder> :(
[15:26] <esden> no money and too hungry ... and too hot outside ... 
[15:26] <blindcoder> o_O
[15:27] <blindcoder> well, I just got money yesterday :P
[15:27] <esden> :P
[15:27] <clifford> daja77: SPL rev 535 has support for #! and argc/argv now
[15:27] <daja77> hehe cool
[15:27] <daja77> that was quick
[15:27] <esden> SPL ?? o_O
[15:28] <clifford> (argc/argv is only created if actually parameters have been passed - in other cases they are undeclared)
[15:28] <blindcoder> esden: the language ROCK will be reimplemented in :D
[15:28] <esden> wha? w... WHAT? urgh ... ooook
[15:28] <blindcoder> j/k
[15:29] <clifford> T2 will be reimplemented in C++ - so I had only one chance: write a new language which is even better than C++ ;-)
[15:29] <daja77> hehe
[15:29] <esden> I am really wondering why clifford has not yet started porting rock to BF ;)
[15:29] <clifford> esden: http://www.clifford.at/spl/
[15:29] <daja77> we should embed spl on thc
[15:30] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[15:30] <blindcoder> and then build rock using spl on thc :D
[15:31] <clifford> THC? like Tetrahydrocannabinol?
[15:31] <clifford> .. that was already involved in the creation of SPL ..
[15:31] <blindcoder> like in The Handheld Curcuit
[15:31] Action: clifford is better removing that from the IRC log.  *eg*
[15:32] Action: blindcoder desperately waiting for his birthday
[15:32] <blindcoder> I finally get my "wasserpfeife" then :D
[15:32] <daja77> lol
[15:33] <daja77> thc is a handheld game console esden is working on, and for some straneg reason he has no link on his page to it
[15:33] <clifford> great! we just added a few more keywords for google.  ;-)
[15:33] <daja77> *gg*
[15:34] <blindcoder> so, I think I'll go home now
[15:34] <blindcoder> bbl
[15:34] <esden> oook ... clifford the only thing that I miss on your page is: Why another embedable programming language?
[15:34] <clifford> I guess there are not much words left which can't be found on the ROCK website..
[15:34] <esden> there are already three or four other ones
[15:35] <clifford> maybe "Donaudamschiffahrtsgesellschaft" is still somethign which wouldn't redirect people to us.
[15:35] <clifford> oups. too late..  ;-)
[15:35] <esden> daja77: because it is not yet official ;)
[15:35] <esden> and now it is because the logs of the channel are online :)
[15:35] <daja77> because there is no embedded scripting language with blakcjack and hookers so far ...
[15:35] <daja77> blackjack even
[15:36] <esden> daja77: lol
[15:36] <clifford> esden: I have tried slang, psl, nasal, lua and few others.. no blackjack and hookers there.. *g*
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[15:37] <clifford> esden: how can you tell that this question is not answered in the reference manual, btw?
[15:38] <clifford> (http://www.clifford.at/spl/manual.pdf, 103 pages atm)
[15:41] <esden> urgh ... ok ... but I thought it would be on the startpage like in other projects that are the 100th reimplementation of the same concept
[15:41] <daja77> I still need to get used to that language
[15:41] <clifford> esden: I don't reimplemt someone others concepts..  ;-)
[15:42] <clifford> but it is very hard for me to explain the 'core features' of the language - so I left that out. Help from others would be pretty good at this point..
[15:42] <daja77> clifford: thought about that, when I git them ;)
[15:42] <daja77> gotÜ
[15:42] <daja77> damn
[15:43] <esden> sure you do ... you only stick that concepts together in an other way ... but I will have to take a closer look ... perhups you have a groundbraking idea in that ... ;)
[15:43] <esden> then you will get famous and rich and have lots of girls ... and so 
[15:43] <esden> or better more girls then you have now ;)
[15:44] <esden> daja77: ... what have you smoked, drunk or anything
[15:44] <daja77> so we can do a rocklinux beach party at vienna :D
[15:44] <daja77> it is just damn hot
[15:44] <clifford> esden: it is possible to dump the state of a running program to a file and resume later (even on another machine). I'd say this is one of the features you won't find in many other languages.
[15:45] <esden> ack ... ok that is a nice feature
[15:45] <esden> you have a program then that does never stop from it's own viewpoint
[15:52] <esden> ok ... I am off for vacation now ... cu guys!!!
[15:55] <daja77> hf
[15:59] <clifford> afk. cu.
[16:29] <treo> bye
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[16:38] <blindcoder> hookers?
[16:39] <daja77> girls you pay ...
[16:40] <blindcoder> I know what hookers are, I just saw it highlighted
[16:40] <daja77> you defined a highlight for hookers? O_o
[16:40] <blindcoder> ehm... let's not go into details here :)
[16:40] <daja77> I was just quoting bender ...
[16:41] <blindcoder> In fact, forget the blackjack. And the hookers.
[16:42] <daja77> .oO (well I'll just play without blindy)
[16:42] <blindcoder> I was just finishing the quote :P
[16:42] <blindcoder> anyway, my personal hooker aka girlfriend will be here next week anyway :)
[16:43] <daja77> i wouldn't call like that ...
[16:43] <daja77> iirc my sister wanted to meet you
[16:44] <blindcoder> yeah, but when she's here I'm in Ashgabat :(
[16:44] <ija> :(
[16:44] <daja77> take her with you
[16:44] Action: daja77 hides
[16:44] <ija> pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[16:44] <blindcoder> if she gets a visum until then, I'll try :)
[16:45] <daja77> :D
[16:45] <ija> i'll stay in berlin with a friend of mine
[17:29] <blindcoder> okay, let's see if udev and device-mapper peacefully link statically
[17:34] <blindcoder> Tower of Hanoi with 100 slices - Move 6 / 1.26765060022823e+30
[17:34] <blindcoder> ouch
[17:41] <th> blindcoder: happy watching
[17:41] <daja77> hehe
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[21:13] <blindcoder> okay, who did the last xfree86 update
[21:13] <blindcoder> Apply patch /ROCK/package/x11/xfree86/fontconfig-update.patch ...
[21:13] <blindcoder> ...
[21:13] <blindcoder> patching file extras/fontconfig/fontconfig/fontconfig.h
[21:13] <blindcoder> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
[21:13] <blindcoder> Hunk #2 FAILED at 33.
[21:13] <blindcoder> 2 out of 7 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file extras/fontconfig/fontconfig/fontconfig.h.rej
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