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[14:06] <daja77> oh i was just wondering if spl is for simple scripts too [14:08] <blindcoder> I really prefer bash for simple scripts [14:08] <blindcoder> #define simple\ scripts everything less than 1000 LOC [14:10] <daja77> I need to sort of parse a file, bash is not that good for this [14:10] <esden> daja77: perl/ruby [14:11] <esden> ruby if you want a very nice language ... but no not need so many modules [14:11] <esden> perl if you know it already or badly need some module that it has and ruby not [14:11] Action: esden getting hungry [14:14] <daja77> yeah perl will do, and I started it in perl already [14:16] treo (~xfman@Dbcd1.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:16] <treo> hi [14:34] <esden> my god ... it is hot outside [14:35] <blindcoder> hot? It has been raining lize the end of the world here [14:35] <daja77> no rain here [14:35] <esden> we have 36+ degrees here with sun [14:35] <daja77> yep [14:35] Action: daja77 points and laughs at blindcoder [14:36] <esden> humm ... my weather widget says 25 degrees but it feels more [14:36] Action: blindcoder looks at hios ventilator AC [14:36] <esden> blindcoder: :P [14:36] Action: blindcoder points and laughs at everyone else [14:36] <esden> blindcoder: is it working? [14:37] <blindcoder> sure is :D [14:37] <blindcoder> otherwise I couldn't have slept last night [14:37] <esden> humm strange ;) [14:37] <blindcoder> why would it be strange? [14:37] Action: blindcoder kick esden around [14:37] <esden> that you got it to work :P [14:38] <daja77> hehe [14:38] <esden> without making a bathtube out of your appartment [14:38] <blindcoder> course I got it to work, you didn't interfere :P [14:38] <clifford> damn mozilla sunbird! [14:38] <esden> If I would interfere you would get the double performance! [14:38] <daja77> erh hi clifford ;) [14:38] <clifford> hi all! [14:38] <esden> hi clifford [14:39] <blindcoder> moin clifford [14:39] <blindcoder> esden: feel free to help when you're here :P [14:39] <clifford> th: ping! ping! ping! [14:39] <esden> erm ... no I am on vacation there ;) [14:39] <daja77> :D [14:39] <blindcoder> hehe [14:39] <clifford> th: I can't see how I could fix you sunbird package so it would build in TRUNK. [14:39] <blindcoder> clifford: btw, I'm currently preparing the next newsletter. Do you have a todo-list somewhere? [14:40] <blindcoder> for rock 3.0? [14:40] <clifford> blindcoder: fixing sunbird has just been removed from it.. ;-) [14:40] <clifford> wait a sec. [14:40] <daja77> hehe [14:41] <clifford> svn.clifford.at/wiki/todos-for-3.0.txt [14:41] <daja77> clifford: may I mock a bit about spl? ;) [14:41] <blindcoder> ah, thanks [14:42] <clifford> the rocket stuff is defenitely the most important issue. [14:42] Action: daja77 agrees [14:42] <blindcoder> aren't the online installs already implemented? [14:42] <clifford> but since I can only do developping using ssh it rather hard for me to do a fresh crystal install from TRUNK and look into it. [14:43] <daja77> better to say, is there sth we can do in this matter? [14:43] <clifford> ad already implemented: kind of. it needs a lot of testing and fine tuning. [14:43] <blindcoder> clifford: wuss. I installed pallas (the machine running doc.rocklinux.org) over ssh from 600 km distance :P [14:44] Action: daja77 downloading kde 3.4.2 atm [14:45] <th> clifford: pong [14:45] <blindcoder> th: same for you, any todolist for rock 2.04/2.1.0? [14:45] <th> blindcoder: are you asking for work? [14:45] <clifford> th: what shall I do with sunbird? [14:46] <th> clifford: well - it builds in stable - but it's still buggy. [14:46] <th> clifford: i'd say we drop it again for now [14:46] <blindcoder> th: heh, kinda. I'm putting together the next newsletter [14:46] <clifford> th: ok. do you discard the patch or should I do it? [14:46] <th> blindcoder: well would be cool if anyone could send me usefull stable patches [14:47] <th> clifford: just discard it - with a comment that it does not build [14:47] <daja77> th: what kind of patches? [14:48] <th> daja77: like bringing recent version of linux26 to stable [14:48] <th> daja77: making it the default [14:48] <th> daja77: like many patches to reduce the diff to trunk [14:48] <th> daja77: updates too [14:48] <th> but the most important: [14:48] <th> patches that apply [14:48] <th> patches that dont break a packages [14:49] <daja77> clifford: i pondering the new xine update, the released xine-lib 1.0.2 and 1.1.0, the first one is the official stable, but does not support gcc4, the latter is almost stable with gcc4 support, dunno which to choose [14:49] <daja77> did my patches not apply? [14:49] <th> daja77: i got both type of patches from you [14:49] <th> daja77: the main point is that i need really tested work [14:49] <daja77> ok fine, I thought 26 as default was working then [14:50] <daja77> tested installs and stuff? [14:50] <clifford> daja77: I would choose 1.1.0... [14:50] <daja77> ok [14:51] <clifford> (that's why I must not be stable tree maintainer) [14:51] <daja77> *gg* [14:51] <blindcoder> th: well, you have to tell people these things. At least I can't read minds over the 'net :) [14:51] <clifford> hmm.. now the subversion update is on the infamous top-position in the sm list of open patches.. [14:51] <daja77> clifford: btw i could do a gcc4 build again and post some logs, glibc is fixed for building but stage 1 is still not complete [14:52] <daja77> hm think I haven't send the glibc fixes [14:53] <blindcoder> clifford: what is this "svm" thing? [14:53] <clifford> SVM = Svn Mirror [14:53] <clifford> SVK is built on top of it (same author) [14:54] <blindcoder> and what is svk? :) [14:54] <blindcoder> I'm just using 'svn' [14:54] <daja77> svk is a bk like framework over svn [14:54] <clifford> svk aims to be a decentralized version control system [14:54] <blindcoder> ah [14:55] <daja77> clifford: so you are not at wth? [14:55] <clifford> (but in fact it even technically enforces a hierarchic model) [14:56] <clifford> www.clifford.at/papers/2004/sm/sm_paper.pdf [14:56] <clifford> .. that's where I describe why hierarchic models are bad. ;-) [14:56] <daja77> *gg* [14:56] <daja77> hm I still have to debug why my sm is screwed [14:57] <clifford> daja77: I planed to go there - but I have no time.. [14:57] <daja77> me neither [14:58] <blindcoder> yeah, same here. Have to leave for Turkmenistan next week [14:59] <daja77> yeah [14:59] Action: clifford plans to spend sunday in my old flat. maybe I can do the reinstall then.. that will also make it easier to work on the sm/svm thing then.. [15:00] <daja77> to see if the mice are ruling now there? ;) [15:00] <blindcoder> hehe [15:00] <blindcoder> better not look into the fridge there :D [15:01] <clifford> daja77: yes. and to get some silent minutes to proof www.clifford.at/priv/hanoi_core.png .. ;-) [15:01] <blindcoder> ls [15:01] <daja77> ah that one [15:01] <blindcoder> no [15:01] <blindcoder> you did not write a formula for towers of hanoi, did you? [15:01] <clifford> sure id did. [15:02] <clifford> www.clifford.at/priv/hanoi.cgi [15:02] <daja77> clifford: btw I am just wondering if it is possible to do some simple line based file operations in spl, like one could do in perl, no high level stuff like xml? [15:03] <clifford> .. does not save the old state and needs a constant time for calculating the system state just from the move number. (also for very very large move numbers) [15:03] <blindcoder> *argh* [15:03] <clifford> blindcoder: what? this is cool stuff! *g* [15:04] <clifford> daja77: you can read an entire file using file_read() and convert it to an array of lines using a regex. [15:04] <daja77> oh ic [15:05] <blindcoder> clifford: nevermind. I'm not mathematician enough to even understand it [15:05] <daja77> ok I used the file_read function, it just complained about an unknown variable argv ^^ [15:05] <th> 28 / 1073741823 [15:05] <th> harr [15:06] <clifford> th: just add a higher move number as query string. [15:06] <clifford> daja77: query [15:09] Action: esden hungry [15:13] <blindcoder> esden: eat something :P [15:24] <esden> erm ... /me making some toasts with butter in his oven [15:24] <esden> I have nothing else [15:25] <blindcoder> then go shopping [15:25] <blindcoder> finished job '5-avifile' (ERROR) [15:25] <blindcoder> :( [15:26] <esden> no money and too hungry ... and too hot outside ... [15:26] <blindcoder> o_O [15:27] <blindcoder> well, I just got money yesterday :P [15:27] <esden> :P [15:27] <clifford> daja77: SPL rev 535 has support for #! and argc/argv now [15:27] <daja77> hehe cool [15:27] <daja77> that was quick [15:27] <esden> SPL ?? o_O [15:28] <clifford> (argc/argv is only created if actually parameters have been passed - in other cases they are undeclared) [15:28] <blindcoder> esden: the language ROCK will be reimplemented in :D [15:28] <esden> wha? w... WHAT? urgh ... ooook [15:28] <blindcoder> j/k [15:29] <clifford> T2 will be reimplemented in C++ - so I had only one chance: write a new language which is even better than C++ ;-) [15:29] <daja77> hehe [15:29] <esden> I am really wondering why clifford has not yet started porting rock to BF ;) [15:29] <clifford> esden: www.clifford.at/spl/ [15:29] <daja77> we should embed spl on thc [15:30] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA [15:30] <blindcoder> and then build rock using spl on thc :D [15:31] <clifford> THC? like Tetrahydrocannabinol? [15:31] <clifford> .. that was already involved in the creation of SPL .. [15:31] <blindcoder> like in The Handheld Curcuit [15:31] Action: clifford is better removing that from the IRC log. *eg* [15:32] Action: blindcoder desperately waiting for his birthday [15:32] <blindcoder> I finally get my "wasserpfeife" then :D [15:32] <daja77> lol [15:33] <daja77> thc is a handheld game console esden is working on, and for some straneg reason he has no link on his page to it [15:33] <clifford> great! we just added a few more keywords for google. ;-) [15:33] <daja77> *gg* [15:34] <blindcoder> so, I think I'll go home now [15:34] <blindcoder> bbl [15:34] <esden> oook ... clifford the only thing that I miss on your page is: Why another embedable programming language? [15:34] <clifford> I guess there are not much words left which can't be found on the ROCK website.. [15:34] <esden> there are already three or four other ones [15:35] <clifford> maybe "Donaudamschiffahrtsgesellschaft" is still somethign which wouldn't redirect people to us. [15:35] <clifford> oups. too late.. ;-) [15:35] <esden> daja77: because it is not yet official ;) [15:35] <esden> and now it is because the logs of the channel are online :) [15:35] <daja77> because there is no embedded scripting language with blakcjack and hookers so far ... [15:35] <daja77> blackjack even [15:36] <esden> daja77: lol [15:36] <clifford> esden: I have tried slang, psl, nasal, lua and few others.. no blackjack and hookers there.. *g* [15:37] SteffenP (steffen@p5499514F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:37] <clifford> esden: how can you tell that this question is not answered in the reference manual, btw? [15:38] <clifford> (www.clifford.at/spl/manual.pdf, 103 pages atm) [15:41] <esden> urgh ... ok ... but I thought it would be on the startpage like in other projects that are the 100th reimplementation of the same concept [15:41] <daja77> I still need to get used to that language [15:41] <clifford> esden: I don't reimplemt someone others concepts.. ;-) [15:42] <clifford> but it is very hard for me to explain the 'core features' of the language - so I left that out. Help from others would be pretty good at this point.. [15:42] <daja77> clifford: thought about that, when I git them ;) [15:42] <daja77> gotÜ [15:42] <daja77> damn [15:43] <esden> sure you do ... you only stick that concepts together in an other way ... but I will have to take a closer look ... perhups you have a groundbraking idea in that ... ;) [15:43] <esden> then you will get famous and rich and have lots of girls ... and so [15:43] <esden> or better more girls then you have now ;) [15:44] <esden> daja77: ... what have you smoked, drunk or anything [15:44] <daja77> so we can do a rocklinux beach party at vienna :D [15:44] <daja77> it is just damn hot [15:44] <clifford> esden: it is possible to dump the state of a running program to a file and resume later (even on another machine). I'd say this is one of the features you won't find in many other languages. [15:45] <esden> ack ... ok that is a nice feature [15:45] <esden> you have a program then that does never stop from it's own viewpoint [15:52] <esden> ok ... I am off for vacation now ... cu guys!!! [15:55] <daja77> hf [15:59] <clifford> afk. cu. [16:29] <treo> bye [16:30] treo (~xfman@Dbcd1.d.pppool.de) left irc: "safe the Planet, kill yourself" [16:38] <blindcoder> hookers? [16:39] <daja77> girls you pay ... [16:40] <blindcoder> I know what hookers are, I just saw it highlighted [16:40] <daja77> you defined a highlight for hookers? O_o [16:40] <blindcoder> ehm... let's not go into details here :) [16:40] <daja77> I was just quoting bender ... [16:41] <blindcoder> In fact, forget the blackjack. And the hookers. [16:42] <daja77> .oO (well I'll just play without blindy) [16:42] <blindcoder> I was just finishing the quote :P [16:42] <blindcoder> anyway, my personal hooker aka girlfriend will be here next week anyway :) [16:43] <daja77> i wouldn't call like that ... [16:43] <daja77> iirc my sister wanted to meet you [16:44] <blindcoder> yeah, but when she's here I'm in Ashgabat :( [16:44] <ija> :( [16:44] <daja77> take her with you [16:44] Action: daja77 hides [16:44] <ija> pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff [16:44] <blindcoder> if she gets a visum until then, I'll try :) [16:45] <daja77> :D [16:45] <ija> i'll stay in berlin with a friend of mine [17:29] <blindcoder> okay, let's see if udev and device-mapper peacefully link statically [17:34] <blindcoder> Tower of Hanoi with 100 slices - Move 6 / 1.26765060022823e+30 [17:34] <blindcoder> ouch [17:41] <th> blindcoder: happy watching [17:41] <daja77> hehe [20:55] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-100-159.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:55] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-154-243.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:55] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [21:13] <blindcoder> okay, who did the last xfree86 update [21:13] <blindcoder> Apply patch /ROCK/package/x11/xfree86/fontconfig-update.patch ... [21:13] <blindcoder> ... [21:13] <blindcoder> patching file extras/fontconfig/fontconfig/fontconfig.h [21:13] <blindcoder> Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. [21:13] <blindcoder> Hunk #2 FAILED at 33. [21:13] <blindcoder> 2 out of 7 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file extras/fontconfig/fontconfig/fontconfig.h.rej [21:22] dsoul (darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:54] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.2) joined #rocklinux. [23:06] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.43) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [00:00] --- Sat Jul 30 2005