[00:01] <daja77> yes soem dev discussion are done via submaster
[00:03] <armijn> heh
[00:04] <armijn> funky
[00:04] <daja77> what are you doing now? long time no read
[00:06] <armijn> no ROCK stuff ;-)
[00:06] <daja77> really? what a surprise ...
[00:06] <armijn> I decided to speed up my MSc stuff...again
[00:06] <daja77> msc?
[00:07] <armijn> so I'm doing that kind of fulltime now
[00:07] <armijn> MSc
[00:07] <daja77> ms consultant sth?
[00:07] <armijn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSc
[00:07] <daja77> ah ok
[00:08] <daja77> sry ^^
[00:08] <daja77> not that familiar with english degrees (or better english names for degrees)
[00:10] <armijn> well, it has all been "standardized" in the EU now
[00:10] <daja77> sort of
[00:10] <daja77> I am still working on a diploma
[00:11] <armijn> exactly, "sort of"
[00:12] <daja77> what topic are you working on?
[00:12] <armijn> working on a proof of concept Linux distro for a build system we've been working on
[00:13] <daja77> ic
[00:13] <daja77> are you at the wth?
[00:13] <armijn> nope
[00:14] <daja77> i had no time for it unfortunately
[00:14] <armijn> they were soaked
[00:14] <armijn> there was *a lot* of rain
[00:14] <armijn> and no good drainage
[00:16] <daja77> oh
[00:16] <armijn> I was there on wednesday to drop off some stuff
[00:17] <armijn> and that was before the really heavy showers
[00:18] <daja77> I am not that much into camping anyway
[00:19] <armijn> same
[00:19] <daja77> :)
[00:22] <armijn> I should go to bed
[00:22] <armijn> tired...and people want me to be at uni at 8am...so train at 7am...so up at 6am...
[00:22] <daja77> gn8 ;)
[00:24] <armijn> nn
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[09:16] <blindcoder> th: http://doc.rocklinux.org/svn/ or svn://doc.rocklinux.org/rockdoc-subwiki/
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[11:06] <clifford> moin
[11:13] <daja77> moin clifford 
[11:31] <blindcoder> moin moin
[14:27] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:28] <blindcoder> somehow my at seems fucked
[15:51] <SMP> if you're from Europe, look at www.redhat.com - rightmost graphic ...
[15:51] <blindcoder> ehm
[15:51] <blindcoder> worldwide... and then three stars in central-europe?
[15:52] <blindcoder> AAAH
[15:52] <blindcoder> that map is a bit outdated
[15:54] <daja77> irish stock exchange ...
[15:55] <daja77> theora videos,nice
[15:56] <blindcoder> daja77: ehm, look at the image
[15:56] <blindcoder> http://www.redhat.com/g/promos/second_intelvid_050726.png
[15:56] <blindcoder> and tell us what's wrong with it
[15:58] <th> uhh
[15:58] <th> capital is bonn, hmm?
[15:58] <blindcoder> not to speak of the DDR :)
[15:59] <th> GDR that is in LANG=en ;)
[15:59] <mnemoc_> :)
[15:59] <blindcoder> *shrug*
[15:59] Action: blindcoder goes back to programming a website in .sh
[15:59] <daja77> oh haven't looked at this
[16:01] <SMP> blindcoder: that's nice, but I once wrote a whole webserver in .sh ;->
[16:01] <blindcoder> SMP: well, you have to start somewhere :)
[16:02] <blindcoder> SMP: besides, I want to do this for fun, not masochism
[16:02] <daja77> this is the same ;)
[16:02] <th> i was about to say the same
[16:02] <SMP> oh, I sure did that for fun.
[16:03] <SMP> speaking of masochism .. anyone used an IoC container on the .NET (incl. Mono) platform here? ;)
[16:03] <th> whats
[16:03] <th> what's IoC?
[16:03] <SMP> Inversion of Control
[16:04] <th> i thought it would be something olympic ;)
[16:04] <blindcoder> inversion of control? like moving up to pilot down?
[16:04] <th> heh
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[16:08] <SMP> it's a way of assembling components into an application, where the container assembles and configures components and their dependencies by a declaration
[16:10] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc
[16:11] <SMP> so components have their dependencies injected by the container (there's the inversion of control) instead of instanciating objects themselves or getting them from singletons
[16:12] Action: blindcoder tries - and fails - to look like he understands and creeps back into the shadows
[16:14] <th> that's all because he talks in "components" and "containers"
[16:15] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta do some practical stuff like shopping
[16:41] <clifford> *argwl* netrunner: ping! ping!
[16:41] <daja77> oh blindy packaged widelands
[16:42] <daja77> clifford: why don't we want to ship linux src on crystal?
[16:43] <clifford> daja77: on crystal ISOs. you can still install it from a gem server..
[16:43] <clifford> with linux-src it doesn't fit on a 700 MB CD anymore.
[16:43] <daja77> ic
[16:44] <daja77> i was just wondering because I always have to rebuild the kernel ..
[16:45] <clifford> yep. I also do that. but on the other hand we are very unlikely to have the latest kernel sources on the ISOs anyways..
[16:46] <daja77> good point
[16:48] <clifford> daja77: how are your SPL experiments going?
[16:49] <daja77> think I just found a bug
[16:49] <clifford> cool! what is it?
[16:49] <daja77> unshift adds elements to the end of the array
[16:50] <daja77> hm wait
[16:50] <clifford> hmm??? so unshift and push are doing the same thing?
[16:50] <daja77> yes
[16:50] <daja77> I prepared a little test
[16:53] <clifford> hmm... exec.c:1320 -> here is the push/unshift check
[16:53] <clifford> I want to see this testcase.  ;-)
[16:55] <clifford> daja77: yep. looks like you are right...
[16:56] <daja77> ok :)
[17:01] <clifford> ahhh! ok... that is not a bug.
[17:02] <daja77> a feature?
[17:02] <clifford> From the README.LANG file:
[17:03] <clifford> The push instruction adds an element to the end of the array, unshift to the
[17:03] <clifford> beginning. The difference between these instructions is in the position the new
[17:03] <clifford> element will have in the array, not in the key which is assigned to it. The key
[17:03] <clifford> is the next integer value in both cases.
[17:03] <daja77> so this differs from perl's unshift
[17:04] <clifford> if you want the keys to represent the order of the elements in the array, load the "array" module and run array_reindex() on the array.
[17:04] <daja77> ok that will do fine
[17:04] <daja77> so that order is determined by pointers
[17:05] <clifford> the SPL node type can't be compared with the perl array, hash and scalar types..
[17:05] <daja77> ok
[17:05] <clifford> each SPL node (aka variable) has a double-linked list of child nodes.
[17:06] <clifford> this double-linked list is also indexed using a hash to assoziate keys to all elements of the list.
[17:06] <daja77> is there a way of doing some lookahead to the first element without removing it and perhaps saving an expensive rebuilding?
[17:07] <clifford> sure: the instructions "next" and "prev" give you the next or previous index relative to the index passed as argument. simply pass undef to get the first or last index.
[17:07] <clifford> this two one-liners are equivialent:
[17:08] <clifford> foreach i (array) debug array[i];
[17:09] <clifford> for (var i = next array, undef; defined i; i = next array, i) debug array[i];
[17:11] <clifford> see http://www.clifford.at/spl/manual.pdf (pages 16 and 17)  *g*
[17:13] <daja77> oh ok I looked at the readme file where these examples are missing ;)
[17:13] <daja77> ah no
[17:13] <clifford> are they? the manual.pdf is generated from the readme file.
[17:15] <daja77> you might find the code I am tyring disgustung perhaps ;)
[17:17] <clifford> why? i have not seen much of your code so far..
[17:18] <daja77> I collect objects in an array ...
[17:18] <clifford> So far I see no problem with that. ;-)
[17:20] <daja77> I don't think the code looks that bad, I try to sort of parse a suif file to create a dot tree from it, but I haven't finished yet, i really like some of the spl features, but the file processing is a bit slow, but you wrote abiut that ;)
[17:22] <clifford> what is a suif file?
[17:23] <daja77> suif is a compiler toolkit developed at stanford university and it is their internal representation of a program as well, so I want to plot parse trees
[17:23] <clifford> i.c.
[17:26] <daja77> but this is more a hobby thing, i just want to see how these drawings will look like, actually I automatically modfiy these parse trees to add new instructions to the programs for runtime performance prediction and stuff
[17:26] <clifford> can I see your code?  *pleeeease*
[17:28] <daja77> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/suif2dot.spl
[17:28] <daja77> but it is unfinished atm
[17:29] <daja77> http://www.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/test.out some sample data for processing
[17:42] <blindcoder> daja77: yeah, because paxed made me
[17:46] <daja77> you hardcoded a sf mirror in [D]
[17:47] <clifford> daja77: http://svn.clifford.at/spl/trunk/examples/example55.spl
[17:47] <clifford> (using 'A' without 'N' or 'P' is a new feature in rev. 536)
[17:49] <daja77> nice
[17:49] <daja77> so I can adjust this
[17:50] <daja77> this line split is quite expensive
[17:50] <blindcoder> daja77: hmm, oops){;
[17:51] <blindcoder> ();
[17:51] <blindcoder> anyway, I also think we should update dosemu to an unstable release
[17:51] <daja77> blindcoder: btw is catdoc better than antiword?
[17:52] <blindcoder> mainly because the current stable one doesn't work with settlers 1 :)
[17:52] <blindcoder> daja77: no idea
[17:57] <clifford> daja77: spl rev. 537: splrun -M has a default value of ".:./spl_modules:<system-spl-modules-dir>" now
[18:00] <daja77> hm would it be possible to set an environmemnt variable for that, or compile the install path in it, I created an adhoc package for spl
[18:02] <clifford> the install path is compiled in. Look for 'moddir.c' in the Makefile
[18:03] <daja77> hm but it complained it couldn't find the modules, unless I used -M
[18:04] <clifford> that is a new feature of rev. 537. before that rev. that was only used by the webspl binaries.
[18:06] <daja77> I should upgrade ;)
[18:06] <daja77> just updating graphviz atm ...
[18:19] <daja77> sent ...
[18:20] <daja77> the script produces the wrong output atm, but have to go now
[18:20] <daja77> cu
[18:20] <clifford> cu
[18:25] <clifford> *fuck* *fuck* *fuck* *fuck*
[18:26] Action: clifford removed the ssh host keys on a remote server and logged out.  *grml*
[18:26] <blindcoder> ouch
[18:26] <clifford> ok. I need to go now.. cu.
[18:26] <blindcoder> let me guess: no password auth?
[18:26] <clifford> the _host_ keys
[18:27] <blindcoder> o_O *ouch*
[18:31] <th> that would not happen with telnet or rlogin...
[18:33] <blindcoder> hehe
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