[00:18] <SMP> hmm. it still bombs. same error, different file.
[00:18] <SMP> /tmp/iccsnr6KXas_: Assembler messages:
[00:18] <SMP> /tmp/iccsnr6KXas_:1574585: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline inserted
[00:18] <SMP> /tmp/iccsnr6KXas_:1577121: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.by'
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[08:08] <blindcoder> moin
[09:28] <th> moin blindcoder 
[09:28] <th> blindcoder: you're in berlin right now?
[09:29] <th> blindcoder: how's the weather going there?
[09:37] <blindcoder> moin th
[09:37] <blindcoder> hmm, cloudy
[09:37] <blindcoder> and cold
[09:38] <blindcoder> you remind me that I need to to a svn up and download -all
[09:39] <th> strange associations you have
[09:39] <th> clody?? hmm
[09:39] <th> it's been raingin last night?
[09:40] <blindcoder> yeah
[09:40] <blindcoder> good for my tomatoes and "Pfefferonis" :)
[09:41] <blindcoder> well, the association being that I promised you to do some package updates in 2.0 :)
[09:44] <blindcoder> th: planning to come to berlin?
[09:56] <th> yes
[09:56] <th> citynight skate run
[09:56] <th> this evening
[10:02] <blindcoder> nice
[10:02] <blindcoder> brb, phone
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[10:18] <blindcoder> back
[10:19] <blindcoder> th: where is that skate run?
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[10:56] <alex-ii> Hello
[10:57] <blindcoder> hi
[10:57] <alex-ii> Does anyone here have experience with uclibc and dietlibc?
[10:58] <blindcoder> mnemoc has a lot with uclibc
[10:58] <blindcoder> and I have done a bit with both
[10:58] <alex-ii> I've looked over their source code, and both look quite nice.  I wonder, if there're some caveats with some of them, when they're used in a real distro.
[10:58] <blindcoder> state your problem rather
[10:58] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:58] <blindcoder> it _is_ possible to use either one
[10:58] <blindcoder> though I'd suggest uclibc
[10:58] <alex-ii> why?
[10:59] <blindcoder> dietlibc has many glibc incompatibilities
[10:59] <blindcoder> and a lot of programs rely on those glibc only functionality
[10:59] <alex-ii> does djbware do?
[10:59] <blindcoder> so if you want to use dietlibc you need to patch a _lot_ of programs
[10:59] <blindcoder> no idea, but a lot of GNU tools do
[10:59] <alex-ii> could i use coreutils analog that would work on dietlibc?
[11:00] <alex-ii> If that's gnu tools, it's not a (very) big deal 
[11:00] <blindcoder> coreutils analog?
[11:00] <alex-ii> a good alternative to gnu tools you know of
[11:00] <blindcoder> never heard of them
[11:00] <alex-ii> ok
[11:01] <alex-ii> i hope, es shell would run on it ;-)
[11:01] <blindcoder> you can try
[11:01] <blindcoder> install dietlibc into your system (no problem)
[11:01] <alex-ii> are there any problems with linux kernel?
[11:01] <blindcoder> and compile it with "make CC='diet gcc'"
[11:01] <alex-ii> compling it, I mean
[11:01] <blindcoder> the kernel uses its own libc
[11:01] <blindcoder> called klibc
[11:01] <alex-ii> I can't figure why diet-dyn doesn't work
[11:01] <alex-ii> ok
[11:02] Action: alex-ii hasn't looked to kernel source closely
[11:02] <blindcoder> because dynamic loading in dietlibc is more or less "experimental" to "broken"
[11:02] <alex-ii> is dynamic linking working in dietlibc?  (documentation claims it does, but i wasn't able to)
[11:02] <alex-ii> hmmm, i see
[11:02] <alex-ii> and, gnu ldd gets screwed with it
[11:03] <blindcoder> well, ldd only works on dynamic programs
[11:03] <blindcoder> not on static :)
[11:04] <blindcoder> so obviously it would get confused
[11:04] <alex-ii> i used diet-dyn for it
[11:04] <alex-ii> so, for linking dynamically, uclibc is currently better
[11:04] <blindcoder> correct
[11:04] <blindcoder> with uclibc, you can basically chroot into their development environment and start working
[11:04] <blindcoder> at least, that's how I did it in nethack linux
[11:05] <alex-ii> nethack linux ?
[11:05] <alex-ii> ok
[11:05] <alex-ii> Do you have any real size comparisons?
[11:06] <blindcoder> http://www.crash-override.net/nethacklinux.html
[11:06] <blindcoder> no
[11:06] <blindcoder> but nethack, tar, bzip2, a init replacement and the kernel fit in 1.2 MB using uclibc
[11:07] <alex-ii> minit?
[11:07] <blindcoder> no, handwritten linuxrc.c
[11:07] <blindcoder> minit is an init program and so no replacement :)
[11:07] <alex-ii> does the whole thing fit on floppy (maybe cramfs?0
[11:07] <blindcoder> yes, it does
[11:08] <alex-ii> :-D
[11:08] <blindcoder> with no cramfs or stuff
[11:08] <blindcoder> pure ext2 fs
[11:08] <alex-ii> great
[11:08] <alex-ii> wow!
[11:08] <blindcoder> okay, I gotta go shopping
[11:09] <blindcoder> I'll be offline for three weeks starting tomorrow and need to get some stuff for my trip
[11:09] <blindcoder> bye
[11:09] <alex-ii> cu later
[11:10] <alex-ii> thank you very much
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[11:52] Action: blindcoder back
[12:01] <daja77_> hi blindcoder 
[12:03] <blindcoder> moin daja77_ 
[12:04] <alex-ii> wb, blindcoder
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[13:29] <esden> moin
[13:29] <daja77_> hi esden 
[13:30] <daja77_> just saw thatr we still have dietlibc 0.27 ;)
[13:30] <blindcoder> ESDEN!
[13:30] Action: blindcoder gives esden a hug
[13:31] <daja77_> blindcoder: they seem to have improved their compatibility ^^
[13:31] <blindcoder> daja77_: fefe improved compatibility with glibc? My worldview collapses...
[13:32] <daja77_> dunno, guess I should test it somehow
[13:32] <daja77_> anyway have to do shopping and some cleaning today ;)
[13:33] <blindcoder> hehe
[13:33] <blindcoder> already been shopping
[13:33] <daja77_> why? you are leaving ...
[13:34] <blindcoder> yeah
[13:35] <blindcoder> tomorrow at 16.30 is the liftoff
[13:35] <blindcoder> meaning that I have to leave home at 14.00
[13:35] <blindcoder> but I still needed shower gel and stuff like that
[13:37] <daja77_> oh ic
[13:40] <blindcoder> and I still have to clean up today >_<
[13:46] <esden> puhh maaany mails
[13:46] <esden> one week no internet and tons of work to do ;)
[13:46] Action: esden gives blindcoder also a big hug
[13:47] <esden> blindcoder: lifting off to?
[13:54] <blindcoder> esden: turkmenistan
[14:02] <esden> hehe ... diet-mplayer
[14:02] <esden> blindcoder: ahh getting some chocolate color on your skin ;)
[14:02] <esden> doing so as if you were working ;)
[14:04] <blindcoder> hehe, yeah ;)
[14:04] <blindcoder> I mean, how difficult can switching a few parts in a SunFire 240 be?
[14:04] <blindcoder> ...
[14:04] <blindcoder> remind me I said that >_<
[14:17] <daja77_> I will do ^^
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[14:36] <esden> blindcoder: ooook ...
[14:36] <esden> I did it ... I am through my e-mail!!!
[14:36] <esden> WEEE ;)
[14:37] <blindcoder> hehe
[14:38] <blindcoder> good work :)
[14:38] <blindcoder> I wonder how my mailbox will look like in three weeks
[14:39] <esden> urgh ... you must not even imagine that!
[14:40] <blindcoder> hehe, no, not really
[14:40] <blindcoder> glad that my spam filter is really good :)
[14:40] <esden> hehe
[14:40] <blindcoder> I usually only get one spam in my inbox in two weeks
[14:40] <esden> not bad
[14:41] <esden> and three relevant mails in your spam bucket ;)
[14:41] <blindcoder> not one so far
[14:41] <esden> good good
[14:41] <blindcoder> haven't had a false positive in over a year
[14:42] <esden> I would really like to know how you do it ... spamassasin is not catching everything it should ... and if I turn it up it catches too much
[14:43] <blindcoder> I have spamassassin at 5 points
[14:43] <blindcoder> I've been feeding bayes filter for a while
[14:43] <blindcoder> and I use this:
[14:43] <blindcoder> http://www.crash-override.net/hintsspam.html
[14:44] <esden> ahh I see
[14:44] <blindcoder> that helps a _lot_
[14:45] <blindcoder> it runs in procmail after all mailinglists and such stuff
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[16:57] <feistel> hi
[16:57] <blindcoder> moin feistel 
[16:57] <feistel> how I can see if two process are connected by a pipe or socket?
[16:57] <blindcoder> if it's a named pipe (fifo) you can use fuser
[16:58] <blindcoder> otherwise you can try lsof | grep <pipe or socket>
[16:58] <blindcoder> or lsof | grep <process 1>
[16:58] <blindcoder> lsof | grep <process 2>
[16:58] <feistel> ok, thanks, I need find process connected to artsd daemon
[17:10] <feistel> blindcoder: nothing
[17:11] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:11] <blindcoder> then I don't know, sorry
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[19:51] <[anders]> http://angryalien.com/0804/jawsbunnies.asp
[19:53] <blindcoder> angry aliens?
[19:53] <blindcoder> ah, flash *runs away screaming*
[19:55] <blindcoder> heh
[19:55] <blindcoder> too bad I have no sound
[19:58] <[anders]> heh
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[21:28] <cutio> aloha
[21:29] <blindcoder> hi
[21:30] <cutio> i just installed rocklinux and it seems kinda funny;)
[21:30] <blindcoder> hehe, welcome to rock then :)
[21:30] <blindcoder> what kind of funny?
[21:31] <cutio> it doesnt work out of the box, for example i dont know (yet) how to disable rockplug/hotplug - there's no such file in rc*.d
[21:31] <cutio> but i'll solve it;)
[21:31] <blindcoder> no, you use stone for it
[21:32] <blindcoder> option 2: Kernel Drivers and Hardware Configuration
[21:32] <cutio> ah
[21:32] <cutio> that sounds easy
[21:32] <blindcoder> which version of rock did you install?
[21:32] <cutio> 2.1 (crystal)
[21:33] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[21:34] <cutio> which paket managment tool do you use? gasgui?
[21:35] <blindcoder> I usually use mine directly
[21:36] <cutio> why?
[21:36] <blindcoder> because I know how to handle it :)
[21:36] <cutio> heh
[21:36] <blindcoder> for the installation I use gasgui though
[21:37] <cutio> brb the fun continues
[21:55] <blindcoder> okay, I'm off to bed
[21:55] <blindcoder> good night!
[22:39] <alex-ii> bye, cu later
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[22:55] <daja77_> re
[22:56] <cutio> wb
[22:57] <daja77_> hi cutio, new here?
[22:57] <cutio> yes, i just installed rocklinux
[22:58] <daja77_> cool
[22:59] <cutio> i changed from debian and dont miss anything yet ;)
[22:59] <daja77_> hehe I like to hear that
[23:21] <cutio> is there a way to fetch a package with its depencies?
[23:25] <daja77_> basically yes
[23:25] <daja77_> but we have no online repositories fro rocket yet
[23:26] <daja77_> we'll have them when rock 3.0 (formerly 2.1) will be released
[23:26] <cutio> mm ok
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