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[00:18] <SMP> hmm. it still bombs. same error, different file. [00:18] <SMP> /tmp/iccsnr6KXas_: Assembler messages: [00:18] <SMP> /tmp/iccsnr6KXas_:1574585: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline inserted [00:18] <SMP> /tmp/iccsnr6KXas_:1577121: Error: unknown pseudo-op: `.by' [01:05] feistel (~feistel@200.125.78.251) joined #rocklinux. [02:34] feistel (~feistel@200.125.78.251) left irc: Client Quit [04:10] netrunne1 (~andreas@p54981F3C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [04:26] netrunner (~andreas@p549816E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:26] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [04:51] nookie_ (~nookie@M323P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [05:00] nookie (~nookie@M281P016.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:19] _hannes (~hannes@port-212-202-55-197.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Client Quit [06:20] _hannes (~hannes@port-212-202-55-197.dynamic.qsc.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:48] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.76) joined #rocklinux. [07:03] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:37] crass (~root@rrcs-24-73-245-194.sw.biz.rr.com) joined #rocklinux. [08:08] <blindcoder> moin [09:28] <th> moin blindcoder [09:28] <th> blindcoder: you're in berlin right now? [09:29] <th> blindcoder: how's the weather going there? [09:37] <blindcoder> moin th [09:37] <blindcoder> hmm, cloudy [09:37] <blindcoder> and cold [09:38] <blindcoder> you remind me that I need to to a svn up and download -all [09:39] <th> strange associations you have [09:39] <th> clody?? hmm [09:39] <th> it's been raingin last night? [09:40] <blindcoder> yeah [09:40] <blindcoder> good for my tomatoes and "Pfefferonis" :) [09:41] <blindcoder> well, the association being that I promised you to do some package updates in 2.0 :) [09:44] <blindcoder> th: planning to come to berlin? [09:56] <th> yes [09:56] <th> citynight skate run [09:56] <th> this evening [10:02] <blindcoder> nice [10:02] <blindcoder> brb, phone [10:12] kasc_ (~kasc@dsl-082-083-062-107.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:18] <blindcoder> back [10:19] <blindcoder> th: where is that skate run? [10:26] kasc (~kasc@dsl-082-083-151-236.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:26] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [10:56] alex-ii (~alekseyb@68.146.204.233) joined #rocklinux. [10:56] <alex-ii> Hello [10:57] <blindcoder> hi [10:57] <alex-ii> Does anyone here have experience with uclibc and dietlibc? [10:58] <blindcoder> mnemoc has a lot with uclibc [10:58] <blindcoder> and I have done a bit with both [10:58] <alex-ii> I've looked over their source code, and both look quite nice. I wonder, if there're some caveats with some of them, when they're used in a real distro. [10:58] <blindcoder> state your problem rather [10:58] <blindcoder> hmm [10:58] <blindcoder> it _is_ possible to use either one [10:58] <blindcoder> though I'd suggest uclibc [10:58] <alex-ii> why? [10:59] <blindcoder> dietlibc has many glibc incompatibilities [10:59] <blindcoder> and a lot of programs rely on those glibc only functionality [10:59] <alex-ii> does djbware do? [10:59] <blindcoder> so if you want to use dietlibc you need to patch a _lot_ of programs [10:59] <blindcoder> no idea, but a lot of GNU tools do [10:59] <alex-ii> could i use coreutils analog that would work on dietlibc? [11:00] <alex-ii> If that's gnu tools, it's not a (very) big deal [11:00] <blindcoder> coreutils analog? [11:00] <alex-ii> a good alternative to gnu tools you know of [11:00] <blindcoder> never heard of them [11:00] <alex-ii> ok [11:01] <alex-ii> i hope, es shell would run on it ;-) [11:01] <blindcoder> you can try [11:01] <blindcoder> install dietlibc into your system (no problem) [11:01] <alex-ii> are there any problems with linux kernel? [11:01] <blindcoder> and compile it with "make CC='diet gcc'" [11:01] <alex-ii> compling it, I mean [11:01] <blindcoder> the kernel uses its own libc [11:01] <blindcoder> called klibc [11:01] <alex-ii> I can't figure why diet-dyn doesn't work [11:01] <alex-ii> ok [11:02] Action: alex-ii hasn't looked to kernel source closely [11:02] <blindcoder> because dynamic loading in dietlibc is more or less "experimental" to "broken" [11:02] <alex-ii> is dynamic linking working in dietlibc? (documentation claims it does, but i wasn't able to) [11:02] <alex-ii> hmmm, i see [11:02] <alex-ii> and, gnu ldd gets screwed with it [11:03] <blindcoder> well, ldd only works on dynamic programs [11:03] <blindcoder> not on static :) [11:04] <blindcoder> so obviously it would get confused [11:04] <alex-ii> i used diet-dyn for it [11:04] <alex-ii> so, for linking dynamically, uclibc is currently better [11:04] <blindcoder> correct [11:04] <blindcoder> with uclibc, you can basically chroot into their development environment and start working [11:04] <blindcoder> at least, that's how I did it in nethack linux [11:05] <alex-ii> nethack linux ? [11:05] <alex-ii> ok [11:05] <alex-ii> Do you have any real size comparisons? [11:06] <blindcoder> https://www.crash-override.net/nethacklinux.html [11:06] <blindcoder> no [11:06] <blindcoder> but nethack, tar, bzip2, a init replacement and the kernel fit in 1.2 MB using uclibc [11:07] <alex-ii> minit? [11:07] <blindcoder> no, handwritten linuxrc.c [11:07] <blindcoder> minit is an init program and so no replacement :) [11:07] <alex-ii> does the whole thing fit on floppy (maybe cramfs?0 [11:07] <blindcoder> yes, it does [11:08] <alex-ii> :-D [11:08] <blindcoder> with no cramfs or stuff [11:08] <blindcoder> pure ext2 fs [11:08] <alex-ii> great [11:08] <alex-ii> wow! [11:08] <blindcoder> okay, I gotta go shopping [11:09] <blindcoder> I'll be offline for three weeks starting tomorrow and need to get some stuff for my trip [11:09] <blindcoder> bye [11:09] <alex-ii> cu later [11:10] <alex-ii> thank you very much [11:21] kasc_ (~kasc@dsl-082-083-134-196.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:23] kasc (~kasc@dsl-082-083-062-107.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:23] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [11:38] youngcoder (~codemaste@220M09.oasis.mediatti.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:44] [anders] (~snafu@karlsson.force9.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [11:52] Action: blindcoder back [12:01] <daja77_> hi blindcoder [12:03] <blindcoder> moin daja77_ [12:04] <alex-ii> wb, blindcoder [12:42] nookie (~nookie@M234P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [12:49] nookie_ (~nookie@M323P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:29] <esden> moin [13:29] <daja77_> hi esden [13:30] <daja77_> just saw thatr we still have dietlibc 0.27 ;) [13:30] <blindcoder> ESDEN! [13:30] Action: blindcoder gives esden a hug [13:31] <daja77_> blindcoder: they seem to have improved their compatibility ^^ [13:31] <blindcoder> daja77_: fefe improved compatibility with glibc? My worldview collapses... [13:32] <daja77_> dunno, guess I should test it somehow [13:32] <daja77_> anyway have to do shopping and some cleaning today ;) [13:33] <blindcoder> hehe [13:33] <blindcoder> already been shopping [13:33] <daja77_> why? you are leaving ... [13:34] <blindcoder> yeah [13:35] <blindcoder> tomorrow at 16.30 is the liftoff [13:35] <blindcoder> meaning that I have to leave home at 14.00 [13:35] <blindcoder> but I still needed shower gel and stuff like that [13:37] <daja77_> oh ic [13:40] <blindcoder> and I still have to clean up today >_< [13:46] <esden> puhh maaany mails [13:46] <esden> one week no internet and tons of work to do ;) [13:46] Action: esden gives blindcoder also a big hug [13:47] <esden> blindcoder: lifting off to? [13:54] <blindcoder> esden: turkmenistan [14:02] <esden> hehe ... diet-mplayer [14:02] <esden> blindcoder: ahh getting some chocolate color on your skin ;) [14:02] <esden> doing so as if you were working ;) [14:04] <blindcoder> hehe, yeah ;) [14:04] <blindcoder> I mean, how difficult can switching a few parts in a SunFire 240 be? [14:04] <blindcoder> ... [14:04] <blindcoder> remind me I said that >_< [14:17] <daja77_> I will do ^^ [14:18] [anders] (~snafu@karlsson.force9.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] <esden> blindcoder: ooook ... [14:36] <esden> I did it ... I am through my e-mail!!! [14:36] <esden> WEEE ;) [14:37] <blindcoder> hehe [14:38] <blindcoder> good work :) [14:38] <blindcoder> I wonder how my mailbox will look like in three weeks [14:39] <esden> urgh ... you must not even imagine that! [14:40] <blindcoder> hehe, no, not really [14:40] <blindcoder> glad that my spam filter is really good :) [14:40] <esden> hehe [14:40] <blindcoder> I usually only get one spam in my inbox in two weeks [14:40] <esden> not bad [14:41] <esden> and three relevant mails in your spam bucket ;) [14:41] <blindcoder> not one so far [14:41] <esden> good good [14:41] <blindcoder> haven't had a false positive in over a year [14:42] <esden> I would really like to know how you do it ... spamassasin is not catching everything it should ... and if I turn it up it catches too much [14:43] <blindcoder> I have spamassassin at 5 points [14:43] <blindcoder> I've been feeding bayes filter for a while [14:43] <blindcoder> and I use this: [14:43] <blindcoder> https://www.crash-override.net/hintsspam.html [14:44] <esden> ahh I see [14:44] <blindcoder> that helps a _lot_ [14:45] <blindcoder> it runs in procmail after all mailinglists and such stuff [14:54] [anders] (~snafu@karlsson.force9.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [16:55] feistel (~feistel@200.125.78.251) joined #rocklinux. [16:57] <feistel> hi [16:57] <blindcoder> moin feistel [16:57] <feistel> how I can see if two process are connected by a pipe or socket? [16:57] <blindcoder> if it's a named pipe (fifo) you can use fuser [16:58] <blindcoder> otherwise you can try lsof | grep <pipe or socket> [16:58] <blindcoder> or lsof | grep <process 1> [16:58] <blindcoder> lsof | grep <process 2> [16:58] <feistel> ok, thanks, I need find process connected to artsd daemon [17:10] <feistel> blindcoder: nothing [17:11] <blindcoder> hmm [17:11] <blindcoder> then I don't know, sorry [17:45] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [18:16] feistel (~feistel@200.125.78.251) left irc: Client Quit [19:51] <[anders]> https://angryalien.com/0804/jawsbunnies.asp [19:53] <blindcoder> angry aliens? [19:53] <blindcoder> ah, flash *runs away screaming* [19:55] <blindcoder> heh [19:55] <blindcoder> too bad I have no sound [19:58] <[anders]> heh [20:47] nookie_ (~nookie@M508P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [20:55] nookie (~nookie@M234P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:57] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-103-148.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:57] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-096-028.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:58] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [21:28] cutio (cutio@213.202.245.130) joined #rocklinux. [21:28] <cutio> aloha [21:29] <blindcoder> hi [21:30] <cutio> i just installed rocklinux and it seems kinda funny;) [21:30] <blindcoder> hehe, welcome to rock then :) [21:30] <blindcoder> what kind of funny? [21:31] <cutio> it doesnt work out of the box, for example i dont know (yet) how to disable rockplug/hotplug - there's no such file in rc*.d [21:31] <cutio> but i'll solve it;) [21:31] <blindcoder> no, you use stone for it [21:32] <blindcoder> option 2: Kernel Drivers and Hardware Configuration [21:32] <cutio> ah [21:32] <cutio> that sounds easy [21:32] <blindcoder> which version of rock did you install? [21:32] <cutio> 2.1 (crystal) [21:33] <blindcoder> ah, okay [21:34] <cutio> which paket managment tool do you use? gasgui? [21:35] <blindcoder> I usually use mine directly [21:36] <cutio> why? [21:36] <blindcoder> because I know how to handle it :) [21:36] <cutio> heh [21:36] <blindcoder> for the installation I use gasgui though [21:37] <cutio> brb the fun continues [21:55] <blindcoder> okay, I'm off to bed [21:55] <blindcoder> good night! [22:39] <alex-ii> bye, cu later [22:39] alex-ii (~alekseyb@68.146.204.233) left #rocklinux ("rcirc.el 0.6 $Revision: 1.192 $"). [22:55] <daja77_> re [22:56] <cutio> wb [22:57] <daja77_> hi cutio, new here? [22:57] <cutio> yes, i just installed rocklinux [22:58] <daja77_> cool [22:59] <cutio> i changed from debian and dont miss anything yet ;) [22:59] <daja77_> hehe I like to hear that [23:21] <cutio> is there a way to fetch a package with its depencies? [23:25] <daja77_> basically yes [23:25] <daja77_> but we have no online repositories fro rocket yet [23:26] <daja77_> we'll have them when rock 3.0 (formerly 2.1) will be released [23:26] <cutio> mm ok [00:00] --- Sun Aug 7 2005