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[08:45] <Pilot> hi again [08:55] <SMP> hi [08:57] <SMP> Pilot: actually, I had taken a look at etcnet as an alternative to rocknet a number of times. but it's quite the opposite approach of rocknet. I designed an alternate rocknet before today's rocknet started -- it was more like etcnet, quite similar to RH's style [08:59] <Pilot> SMP: may be, you can save time with etcnet? [09:00] <Pilot> it works as expcted [09:00] <SMP> personally; I'm addicted to IOS / JunOS style config (like rocknet), but today's rocknet is actually imperative only hiding as declarative [09:01] <SMP> so I don't like the way etcnet splatters config files all around ;-) [09:02] <Pilot> SMP: checking for a file existance is much simple, than checking for variable existance in a single file [09:03] <SMP> I only took a casual look at the docs lately, how does etcnet deal with interface renaming? can I define an interface by MAC (or PCI id?) rather than by name? [09:03] <Pilot> SMP: all files reside in /etc/net, you can make backup with a single tarball [09:03] <Pilot> SMP: yes, you can [09:06] <SMP> I wouldn't actually mind having rocknet replaced -- but obviously I'm going to advocate rocknet ;-) [09:06] <SMP> ehm [09:06] <SMP> obviously I'm not going to advocate etcnet [09:15] <Pilot> SMP: can't you have 2 systems? we've made so in ALTLinux [09:15] <Pilot> 2 conflicting RPMs [09:17] <owl> moin [09:18] <Pilot> moin [09:21] <SMP> yeah, well, rocknet exists only as parts of several other packages. but that doesn't stop someone from integrating etcnet as another choice with our build system -- and I don't see a reason why it shouldn't get accepted [09:21] <Pilot> how can i participate? [09:22] <daja77> send a patch to submaster [09:22] <daja77> e.g. [09:23] <SMP> get the rock sources from subversion, make an etcnet package -- then we'll see how to get it working along with rocknet [09:24] <Pilot> i have a CVS repository [09:25] <Pilot> i have to learn SVN... [09:25] <SMP> though actually the first thing is quite major -- basically you'd have to have a rock build installed to get the building and testing done -- but it can be just a chroot on an existing machine [09:25] <SMP> with rock everyhing is possible -- it just depends on your abilities ;-) [09:26] <SMP> the hardest thing about SVN is getting the client installed. checkout/update are easy if you know CVS [09:27] <daja77> client install got a bit easier since you don't depend on bdb anymore M) [09:35] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.13) joined #rocklinux. [09:46] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:56] Pilot (n=pilot@corenet-node5.iph.ras.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] kasal (i=kasal@ka23.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) joined #rocklinux. [10:08] <kasal> Good morning. [10:09] <daja77> moin kasal [10:09] <kasal> ROCK Linux installs gzip-1.2.4, which is 12 years old. [10:10] <kasal> I was told that it would be wiser to use gzip-1.3.*, the development version. [10:10] <kasal> I know all the reasons why ROCK delivers stock unpatched stable version. [10:10] <SMP> we deliver stable versions? ;) [10:10] <daja77> *gg* [10:10] <kasal> Yet I think this might be a good thing to make an exception here. [10:11] <kasal> ;-) Versions declared as "stable" by the maintainer. :-) [10:11] <kasal> WDYT? [10:12] <daja77> I'd prefer if developers that think a dev tree is stable release it as stable ... [10:13] <kasal> I'd prefer that too. [10:13] <SMP> hey, you're right, it really is 12 years old. that's cool. we should keep that old stuff around ;-) [10:13] <kasal> :-) [10:13] <daja77> lol [10:14] <SMP> seriously. [10:14] <daja77> well if that version is working I see no problems with that [10:15] <SMP> 1.3 probably has asm routines that make it go faster than light [10:15] <SMP> on current CPUs [10:16] <daja77> the bzip2 speed is mire annoying ... [10:18] <kasal> Paul Eggert, the maintainer of Autoconf, patch, tar, and such packages, has told me: [10:18] <kasal> > But no maintainer should be using gzip 1.2.4 any more. It has serious [10:18] <kasal> > correctness and security bugs. [10:19] <kasal> There are two ways: 1) you decide to trust him. [10:19] <SMP> then those freaks should be releasing a stable version [10:19] <kasal> 2) I'll ask him for details, he'll give them to me, and I'll come back. [10:20] <kasal> "those freaks" -- sure, you are right. [10:20] <SMP> wow. [10:20] <kasal> It probably means we should try to kick the gzip maintainer in his chairing part. [10:20] <SMP> even Debian stale & rotten ship gzip 1.3 [10:20] <daja77> would be a good start [10:21] <kasal> It might end up that Paul would become the maintainer of yet another package... [10:21] <daja77> SMP: so should I send an update patch? [10:21] <kasal> No doubt it's a sin on GNU's part. [10:22] <SMP> OMG. even the 'latest' gzip 1.3.5 is almost 3 years old [10:22] <SMP> daja77: yeah [10:22] <kasal> Yes, please go to 1.3.5. [10:22] <SMP> maybe you can take a peek into the latest FC gzip SRPM to see what patches would be needed [10:23] <kasal> Fedora also uses 1.3.x. [10:24] <kasal> I think the rule "distribute plain versions" is wise. So I guess plain 1.3.5 would be fine. [10:24] <SMP> proably not. too many security issues with gzip/zlib lately [10:26] <daja77> this is ridiculous gzip.org is advertising 1.2.4 version [10:26] <SMP> gzip.org has no authority whatsoever [10:27] <daja77> yeah just noticed [10:29] <kasal> OK, for me 1.3.5 would be enough. Thank you very much. [10:29] <daja77> hrhr firefox tries to start realplayer when I click on the src rpm for download [10:32] <daja77> ok will do that when I am at university [10:44] <SMP> yeah, Real Networks used .rpm for Real Plugin Media or so. more or less at the same time rpm appeared on the radar [10:45] <SMP> but it was actually never widely used for Real. and it certainly is obsolete now [13:02] kasc_ (i=kasc@dsl-082-083-152-104.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:13] kasc (i=kasc@dsl-084-060-099-144.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:13] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [13:54] Pilot (n=pilot@corenet-node5.iph.ras.ru) joined #rocklinux. [15:01] <owl> moin [15:17] <daja77> done [15:17] <daja77> finally [15:17] netrunner (n=andreas@p5498236B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:24] netrunner (n=andreas@p54980EE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [15:41] Pilot (n=pilot@corenet-node5.iph.ras.ru) left #rocklinux ("Leaving"). [16:01] <daja77> hm for this years election they are flooding bavaria [16:22] <owl> how do you mean? [16:22] <daja77> https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,371062,00.html [16:23] <daja77> for the last elections they chose saxony and brandeburg [16:24] <owl> ahso. yeah. here in IN the donau is a bit high, too... [17:10] SteffenP (i=steffen@p5499529D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:12] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [17:13] <daja77> hi mnemoc [17:20] <mnemoc> hi daja77 [19:02] <owl> re [20:39] <netrunner> what sense does it make to have the hotplug initscript run hotplug again (after it run in system.init) [20:53] <cutio> ho ho ho [20:53] <cutio> hi:) [20:53] <owl> hi cutio *g* [22:35] sparc-kly|univ (n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] [anders] (n=snafu@karlsson.force9.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:58] [anders] (n=snafu@karlsson.force9.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [23:15] markos_64 (i=markos_6@dtu114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined #rocklinux. [23:16] <SteffenP> hi all [23:16] <SteffenP> how was the line in the package selection thing inside the /scripts/config for selection all kde apps or deselecting all kde apps.. at the moment i use O kde [23:17] <SteffenP> or... someone should really work on the documentation [23:17] markos_64 (i=markos_6@dtu114.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left #rocklinux. [23:18] <SteffenP> ahh oky O kde... seems to work [23:18] <daja77> https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/ChangingThePackageSelection [23:19] <daja77> 005: X extra/desktop/kde the very example [23:19] <daja77> ;) [23:20] <SteffenP> yep.. oky [23:28] <SteffenP> why is dietlibc needed? if i want to build a desktop system? [23:29] <SteffenP> hmm... maybe it's not needed.. i don't know.. hmm [23:31] <SteffenP> is in the stable tree the linux kernel 2.4.XXX needed? or can i just deselect it? [23:49] <daja77> 2.0? [00:00] --- Wed Aug 24 2005