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[07:09] <th> 00:00:50 < daja77> btw the laptop is up and running 2.6.13 atm
[07:09] <th> daja77: ping
[07:09] <th> daja77: what's your root= parameter? did you create initramfs stuff?
[07:48] <blindcoder> th: /dev/root? Good question
[07:53] <th> blindcoder: no - udev does not create /dev/root - cause it's not in kernel
[07:53] <th> i guess there is need for some initramfs...
[07:53] <th> but i dont want to believe this
[07:54] <blindcoder> no, there is not!
[07:54] <blindcoder> let me get out my laptop...
[07:57] <blindcoder> there
[07:58] <blindcoder> all you need is a few character devices (console, null, zero and maybe a few others) on your root's /dev directory and then: root=/dev/hda1
[07:58] <blindcoder> or whatever
[07:58] <blindcoder> and init=/sbin/init
[08:01] <blindcoder> but there is absolutely no need for a initial ramdisk
[08:05] <th> hmmmm
[08:06] <th> u think a missing /dev/{console,null,zero} may cause unable to mount root?
[08:08] <th> blindcoder: are you sure that you do not have devfs in kernel? additionally
[08:08] <blindcoder> not unable to mount root
[08:08] <blindcoder> unable to start init
[08:09] <blindcoder> devfs=nomount parameter
[08:09] <blindcoder> not having /dev/console will cause init to fail with "unable to open initial console"
[08:10] <th> that's not fatal
[08:10] <th> and hence not the problem here.
[08:10] <blindcoder> it is here
[08:10] <th> k
[08:10] <blindcoder> because then I get a kernel error: unable to start init
[08:10] <th> but i get unable to mount root
[08:10] <blindcoder> hmm
[08:10] <th> i dont get this if i have devfs still enabled
[08:10] <blindcoder> what's your root= parameter?
[08:10] <th> try disabling in kernel
[08:10] <th> /dev/sda2
[08:11] <blindcoder> sounds fine to me
[08:11] <th> (kernel naming scheme)
[08:11] <th> kernel should convert this to major/minor numbefrs
[08:11] <blindcoder> try the kernel option "verbose" and look for error messages
[08:12] <th> verbose. hmm
[08:12] <th> i did not see any more output in kernel source... let's see
[08:13] <blindcoder> or was it debug? no idea, but quiet is the opposite :)
[08:18] <th> no additional output
[08:18] <th> would be cool if you could try to disable devfs somewhen
[08:18] <th> (or just update to 2.6.13) ;)
[08:20] <th> hmmm where is that maj/min number detection code.....
[08:20] <blindcoder> in do_mount.c IIRC
[08:21] <blindcoder> at least you should be able to trace it from there
[08:21] <blindcoder> well, stupid question, but do you have the scsi modules necessary in the kernel?
[08:23] <th> yes
[08:23] <th> i triple-checked that
[08:24] <th> i've two identical but differing in devfs kernels
[08:26] <th> oh cool i can give maj:min as option
[08:26] <th>         if (sscanf(name, "%u:%u", &maj, &min) == 2) {
[08:26] <th>             res = MKDEV(maj, min);
[08:26] <th> ...
[08:31] <th> uhh i guess the easiest is to give major and minor numbers :-/
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[08:35] <netrunner> privet pilot
[08:36] <netrunner> moin rest :)
[08:37] <th> root=8:2 works
[08:37] <th> that's crazy
[08:38] <th> obviously kernel is unable to translate "sda2" (which is kernel naming scheme) to "8:2"
[08:39] <Pilot> hi all
[08:39] <Pilot> th: afair it could be root=0802 too
[08:40] <th> that's true
[08:40] <th> but it should understand sda2
[08:40] <Pilot> no, kernel has a small device map with hd and fd
[08:41] <th> "hd"?
[08:41] <Pilot> hda, hdb, hdc, hdd
[08:41] <th> a
[08:42] <th> i think kernel should understand names of it's own name-scope
[08:45] <th> so booting without initrd and without initramfs is to complicated for the normal user
[08:45] <th> cause (s)he has to map device-names to major/minor pairs
[08:46] <th> yea - i liked devfs
[08:48] <blindcoder> the first sane thing I heard in days :)
[08:48] <blindcoder> moin netrunner, Pilot 
[08:50] <Pilot> th: kernel actually works with device numbers only, builttin /dev/hd? mapping exists to help 95% of Linux users who boot from IDE
[08:50] <th> Pilot: that's not really true.
[08:51] <Pilot> th: why?
[08:51] <th> Pilot: "sda?" is "kernel nameing scheme" as of udev ;)
[08:52] <th> but perhaps it's only udev suggesting this
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[09:05] <SMP> gah
[09:05] <blindcoder> moin SMP
[09:06] <blindcoder> inventing a new language? :)
[09:29] <th> SMP: you have internet?
[09:30] <SMP> I have Internet. lots of Internet.
[09:36] <th> cool
[10:03] <daja77> th: I put devfs back in ...
[10:03] <th> daja77: i've no need for devfs any longer
[10:04] <daja77> well me neither but I needed the machines back working as fast as possible ...
[10:05] <blindcoder> hehe
[10:11] <th> daja77: why does it not work
[10:12] <daja77> the system just hang without devfs
[10:12] <blindcoder> oh no
[10:12] <blindcoder> new SDL version
[10:12] <daja77> the userland on this machine doesn't even know about udev
[10:12] <blindcoder> SDL_OPENGLBLIT is officially obsolete
[10:13] <blindcoder> I'll be damned if this doesn't cause problems
[10:13] Action: daja77 preparing all the neccessary curses ... just in case
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[10:16] <blindcoder> thanks, I knew I could count on you :)
[10:17] <daja77> :D
[10:22] <th> daja77: the only thing i had to do is run "make && make install" for the udev-userland tools
[10:28] <blindcoder> th: and integrate into startup scripts, no?
[10:29] <th> blindcoder: /etc/initscripts is already prepared for that
[10:37] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[11:03] <netrunner> *g* http://femdefence.info/index2.html
[11:05] <daja77> O_O
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[11:14] <blindcoder> is that work-safe?
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[11:18] <esden> *sigh* imagework is exhausting
[11:24] <blindcoder> how so?
[11:24] <netrunner> he imagines naked women
[11:25] <blindcoder> aah
[11:26] <blindcoder> esden: you'll be here on the 9th/10th of September, right?
[11:28] <esden> erm ... uhh ... ahhh ... humm ... I think so ... (muss ich mich 100% festlegen? welpenblick aufsetz)
[11:28] <esden> blindcoder: I have to postproduct and postselect the images I take here ... 
[11:29] <esden> that are already many hundred images that I saw through sorted out and corrected
[11:31] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[11:32] <blindcoder> esden: http://shellscripts.org/project/gallery *hides*
[11:33] <blindcoder> esden: so, the 9th/10th September is correct? or have I misentered the date into my palm?
[11:38] <owl> moin
[12:07] <esden> blindcoder: no thanks ... with so many photos and more than one person editing the content (the second person only with rudimentary computer knowledge) I need a gallery that is very featurefull ;)
[12:07] <esden> but thank you for the will ;)
[12:29] <blindcoder> hehe
[12:33] <blindcoder> ouch
[12:33] <blindcoder> bug in xscreensaver
[12:34] <blindcoder> in the pong screensaver
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[13:43] <daja77> damn the laptop is crashing at random with 2.6.13
[13:49] <th> hmm stable is still at 2.6.7 for linux26
[13:58] <daja77> btw we seem to have missed to activate the shpchp driver that is needed by hotplug, at least all my machines are llargely complaining about it
[13:58] <daja77> th: I thought I sent you a patch for 2.6.9 10 or 11 can't remember
[14:00] <th> which did not apply and did not build after fixing the patch. i sent you the results iirc
[14:00] <daja77> erh no
[14:00] <th> sure?
[14:00] <th> at least it did not work out
[14:01] <daja77> I believe you, just don't remember any message
[14:01] <daja77> anyway that would still be too old
[14:15] <th> so if you have any time for another try with 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 .. i promise to send the results
[14:30] <blindcoder> shpchp?
[14:30] <blindcoder> never seen that
[14:30] <daja77> that's the problem ^^
[14:31] <blindcoder> never seen a complaint about it either
[14:40] <th> so it's working fine.
[14:40] <th> we should have more of such stuff
[14:42] <daja77> this shows up on my laptop everytime perhaps it depends on the test hardware
[14:43] <daja77> it shows upp in qemu too
[14:46] <blindcoder> dmesg or where?
[14:46] <daja77> startup skripts
[14:46] <blindcoder> nope, never seen it
[14:46] <blindcoder> maybe some entry in /etc/modprobe.conf?
[14:47] <daja77> Aug 30 13:42:34 angua modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting shpchp (/lib/modules/2.6.12/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/shpchp.ko): Operation not permit
[14:47] <daja77> ted
[14:47] <daja77> hm checking permissions
[14:48] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:48] <blindcoder> I've seen that once
[14:48] <blindcoder> but with another module
[14:48] <blindcoder> make modules_install fixed it
[14:49] <daja77> the module is there permissions are rw-r-r
[14:49] <blindcoder> sounds fine
[14:50] <daja77> yes
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[16:37] <praenti> hi. anybody can help me with the sed command? what i need is a pattern matching and a new line before this match should be inserted
[16:37] <praenti> teh problem i'm too stupid to use the i command...
[16:37] <praenti> getting always a syntax error
[16:38] <th> % echo foobar | sed 's/bar/\nbar/'
[16:39] <th> foo
[16:39] <th> bar
[16:39] <praenti> hmm. should be also possible... why the he÷├ll i'm thinking so complex *grml*
[16:40] <praenti> thx th :-)
[16:40] <th> complex minds ;)
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[16:50] <praenti> hmm. not at all. perhaps i had this idea in mind but i get problem with a line like this: /tftpboot *.schulen.ingolstadt.de(rw,sync)
[16:50] <praenti> the problem are * and . because they need an excape character before for sed
[16:51] <praenti> forget it. i had a better idea
[16:51] <praenti> s/had/have/
[16:52] <th> . matches any character so using it for . shouldnt be a problem
[16:52] <th> and * can be matched by . as well
[16:52] <daja77> hi praenti btw
[16:53] <praenti> hi daja77 
[16:54] <praenti> th: the better idea is to use another line in the file which begins with "# Ab hier"
[16:54] <praenti> that works but not with \n for newline
[16:56] <praenti> % echo foobar | sed -e 's/bar/\nbar/' results in "foonbar"
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[16:57] <mnemoc> \\n ?
[16:59] <praenti> foo\nbar
[17:00] <mnemoc> /join #bash :(
[17:01] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ echo foobar | sed -e 's,bar,\nbar,g'
[17:01] <blindcoder> foo
[17:01] <blindcoder> bar
[17:01] <mnemoc> uhm
[17:01] <mnemoc> -e :D
[17:01] <blindcoder> your sed is buggy
[17:01] <mnemoc> ack
[17:03] <SMP> gah!
[17:03] <blindcoder> SMP: what are you 'gah'ing all day today?
[17:04] <SMP> amaroK is playing the Windows blues on me. it got stuck, I had to kill it and now it just hangs on startup
[17:04] <praenti> blindcoder: right. can you explain me why this does waht i want?
[17:04] <blindcoder> praenti: it is supposed to ;)
[17:05] <blindcoder> SMP: that's what xine usually does on me
[17:05] <blindcoder> SMP: I've since switched to the sdl output method which works
[17:05] <praenti> but what is the difference between a , and a /
[17:05] <daja77> that's what the kernel did today >_<
[17:06] <blindcoder> praenti: no idea, I've been using , for ages because I was sick of escaping / :)
[17:06] <netrunner> praenti: the / is a bit longer
[17:06] Action: praenti a little bit confused
[17:06] <blindcoder> FWIW:
[17:06] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ echo foobar | sed -e 's/bar/\nbar/'
[17:06] <blindcoder> foo
[17:06] <blindcoder> bar
[17:06] <blindcoder> copy and pasted from your line above
[17:08] <blindcoder> I blame your shell
[17:08] <praenti> yes but only on this ubuntu system. on a suse linux 7.x not. the result there "foonbar" *argl*
[17:09] <daja77> *sigh*
[17:09] Action: praenti doesn't understand reality anymore. what the hell is going on...
[17:09] <daja77> you use ubuntu :p
[17:10] <praenti> daja77: only partly
[17:10] <praenti> because i hate debian and s.th. a rock is not available
[17:10] <praenti> s/th/t/
[17:11] <daja77> your typos will teach you to use patterns ;)
[17:11] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:11] <praenti> :-))
[17:11] <blindcoder> praenti: reality doesn't make sense, live with it
[17:14] <praenti> hmm. is a patched sed command. SuSE has left a short note at the end of the man-page
[17:15] <praenti> bla supports \<newline> sequence in all regexp bla
[17:15] <praenti> bla the \ is stripped an <newline> is kept bla
[17:16] <SMP> that doesn't seem to apply to the \n case
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[17:17] <praenti> SMP: looks like, yes
[17:23] <praenti> using a \ and go into a newlline works. terrible suse sed
[17:46] Action: praenti now understands partly the sed reality
[17:47] <praenti> it is working with real newlines in the script and \\ at the end of each line :-)
[17:49] <SMP> sed reality is a sad reality ...
[17:49] <praenti> thx to all for brainstorming and working solutions on other distris than suse
[17:50] <praenti> SMP: full ack!
[17:50] <praenti> cya
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