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[07:48] <blindcoder> moin
[09:40] <owl> hi blindy
[09:41] <owl> ARGH. "beulenpest" all over me :(( dumb mosquitoes
[09:59] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[09:59] <owl> hi blindy. 
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[11:00] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:00] <blindcoder> beamer now mounted to ceiling :D
[11:13] <owl> pah
[11:15] <fake> mornin'
[11:15] <owl> hi fake 
[11:16] Action: fake @ ars electronica
[11:16] <fake> the word on the street is, there's wlan all over the city for the time being
[11:16] <fake> free wlan ;-)
[11:17] <fake> and *many* power outlets
[11:17] <owl> hrm. there aren't any debilian-devs arround by accident? :)
[11:18] <fake> yesterday we saw a guy with a shopping cart... under a bridge... and an iBook G4 ;-)
[11:20] <fake> there are many artist here
[11:20] <fake> so many macs...
[11:33] <blindcoder> hi fake 
[11:33] <owl> why, why, why!?! does this install-floppy/cd/whatever not boot on my rs6000??
[11:33] <blindcoder> long time no see :)
[11:34] <blindcoder> okay, beamer is now tuned to give a good picture :)
[11:37] <blindcoder> okay, what IS the ars electronica?
[11:37] <blindcoder> http://www.aec.at/en/index.asp
[11:37] <blindcoder> looks like a website of some IT business to me..
[11:40] <fake> owl: rs6000 is my speciaility
[11:40] <fake> owl: which one?
[11:40] <owl> cool :)
[11:40] <fake> hi blindcoder !
[11:40] <owl> 43p-150
[11:40] <fake> blindcoder: www.ars-electronica.at
[11:42] <fake> owl: the only way i ever got my f40-25 (iirc) to boot was via network
[11:42] <fake> no cd would work
[11:42] <fake> didn't try floppies
[11:42] <fake> f70-25
[11:42] <fake> that was it
[11:42] <fake> there are some things you should be aware of
[11:42] <fake> - you have to disable package fragmentation
[11:43] <fake> - you have to hard-code an arp entry
[11:43] <fake> (in the tftp server)
[11:43] <fake> - you need patience. a lot of it...
[11:44] <fake> that page helped me a lot: http://www.solinno.co.uk/7043-140/
[11:44] <owl> ok. thx. and - how to boot from network? i mean - there's no real os installed
[11:45] <fake> the bios is more than enough. and there should be 'sam' on it
[11:45] <owl> no :)
[11:45] <fake> i think i got the network boot instructions from the netbsd page
[11:46] <fake> doesn't matter, you don't need that crappy gfx stuff anyways
[11:46] <owl> i c. 
[11:46] <fake> i couldn't get a 2.6 kernel to boot, btw.
[11:46] <fake> the machine check exception always barked at me
[11:46] <fake> some damn floating point exception
[11:47] <fake> i have to take a photo of the view i'm just enjoying
[11:47] <owl> sigh. my problem is just simple - the dumb debilian-floppies don't work ... i wanted this system to begin and compile and so... but no luck :(
[11:47] <owl> sounds funny :(
[11:47] <fake> there are special imges
[11:48] <fake> http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2004/03/msg00322.html
[11:48] <fake> that should get you started
[11:48] <owl> where? i've just found the root/boot-img
[11:49] <owl> oh god. thx ... ;)
[11:49] <fake> have fun ;-)
[11:49] <owl> thx. i will try to :)
[11:49] <owl> ... ignore the 404-error 
[11:53] <fake> i have to leave, our performance is on
[11:54] <fake> you've got some serious information gathering and reading ahead of you owl... eactly the right thing for a rainy saturday afternoon...
[11:54] <fake> ttyl
[11:54] <daja77> fake!
[11:56] <owl> not really. but i will try to get it working :)
[11:56] <owl> thx. bye
[12:01] <blindcoder> okay, got reply from LQ.org
[12:01] <blindcoder> all they require are the accounts of the admins and one link from the projects website, I suggest under "Community"
[12:02] <daja77> yes
[12:04] <youngcoder> samba is the devil
[12:04] <daja77> no
[12:05] <youngcoder> for me it is
[12:06] <daja77> well just think of what they clone ...
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[12:41] <SMP> stupid fucks ...
[12:42] <SMP> how retarded must the e2fsprogs people be .. add pkgconfig support for their libraries, but end up installing the .pc files in /lib/pkgconfig/
[12:43] <youngcoder> hey can any of you point me towards a good samba trouble-shooting guide?
[12:45] <SMP> I don't know any. the Samba documentation is remarkably good, though
[12:45] <youngcoder> well then i must have bigger problems preventing it from working
[12:45] <youngcoder> its making me very mad
[12:49] <youngcoder> i think that my main problem is running ubuntu
[12:49] <youngcoder> im about to remove ubuntu and piss on the bootdisk
[12:50] <SMP> my experience is, if you're blaming something on the distribution, you're most likely wrong
[12:51] <youngcoder> yes but the people in the ubuntu channel are so unwilling to help and my friends run gentoo
[12:51] <SMP> but you should ignore the samba package that came with Ubuntu, and build your own one, without any strange options or patches
[12:52] <SMP> and it would also help if you'd actually say what you're trying to do and how that's not working
[12:52] <youngcoder> yes but when it asks for server string name and stuff like that i never know what to put
[12:53] <youngcoder> my windows machine wont recognize my linux machine and vice versa and i dont know enough to identify the problem
[12:53] <SMP> what's a "server string name"?
[12:53] <youngcoder> you tell me
[12:54] <youngcoder> i am guessing that is one of the things you are talking about leaving out of the compile
[12:55] <SMP> I've never configured a "server string name" for my sambas. so what's it _really_, literally asking you for, and in what context?
[12:56] <youngcoder> server string:   default=%h server )Samba, Ubuntu)\
[12:56] <SMP> where does this display?
[12:57] <youngcoder> and i went to a samba how-to guide but it told me that the config files were in the wrong folders and all kinds of stuff
[12:57] <youngcoder> in KDS kontrol center
[12:57] <youngcoder> KDE
[12:57] <SMP> oh my goodness
[12:58] <SMP> so are you using the Ubuntu-supplied Samba or something you installed yourself?
[12:58] <netrunner> SMP: server string is the string that appears as comment next to your server name.
[12:58] <netrunner> moin :)
[12:58] <youngcoder> ubuntu supplied
[12:58] <youngcoder> netrunner, moin moin
[12:59] <SMP> netrunner: I know, but that's not the point
[12:59] <youngcoder> netrunner, wie ist Ihr Tag?
[12:59] <SMP> so, where does that Samba keep its config file?
[13:00] <youngcoder> /etc/samba
[13:00] <SMP> have you ever opened /etc/samba/smb.conf in an editor?
[13:01] <youngcoder> yes
[13:01] <youngcoder> it has a ton of crap
[13:01] <SMP> ok. make a copy of it somewhere, and delete all that crap
[13:01] <youngcoder> ok
[13:02] <SMP> the basic smb.conf you're going to need is only about 5 lines. hold on ...
[13:05] <SMP> ok. what do you have the workgroup name of your windows box set to? 
[13:06] <youngcoder> MSHOME
[13:07] <SMP> 5 lines in your smb.conf:
[13:07] <SMP> [global]
[13:07] <youngcoder> ok
[13:07] <SMP>   workgroup = MSHOME
[13:07] <SMP>   netbios name = LINUX
[13:07] <SMP>   preferred master = Yes
[13:08] <SMP>   domain master = Yes
[13:09] <SMP> if you start the samba daemons now, after giving it some seconds for the netbios browsing to converge, you should see the linux box in your network neighborhood. provided the vital networking settings match
[13:10] <SMP> it's going to give you errors if you click on it for now
[13:11] <youngcoder> ok one sec
[13:13] <youngcoder> let me see if i can find out how to start samba daemons
[13:13] <SMP> uhh. something like "/etc/rc.d/init.d/samba start" I suppose
[13:14] <SMP> maybe "smbd" and "nmbd" instead of "samba"
[13:16] <netrunner> rofl
[13:17] <netrunner> SMP: maybe the  problem was simply that the service was not started :)
[13:17] <youngcoder> i guess the guide fidured i was smarter than that
[13:18] <youngcoder> no such file or directory one sec
[13:23] <youngcoder> ok the start of the daemons failed so i have to modify the config file a little mjore
[13:23] <SMP> what does "it failed" mean exactly?
[13:24] <youngcoder> ok i had to restart
[13:24] <youngcoder> instead of sudo /etc/init.d/samba start i had to do restart
[13:25] <SMP> yeah
[13:25] <SMP> so?
[13:26] <youngcoder> so i am running with the new config file and windows machine still doesnt recognize it
[13:26] <SMP> it's not in the network neighborhood?
[13:27] <youngcoder> nope
[13:28] <SMP> ok. you do have basic network connectivity, like "ping", right?
[13:28] <youngcoder> yes
[13:28] <SMP> try running "smbclient -L MSHOME"
[13:28] <SMP> erh
[13:28] <SMP> "smbclient -L LINUX"
[13:29] <youngcoder> failed
[13:30] <SMP> it says what? "Connection to LINUX failed"?
[13:30] <youngcoder> yes
[13:31] <SMP> try "telnet localhost 445"
[13:32] <youngcoder> root@x-machine:/home/codemaster # telnet localhost 445
[13:32] <youngcoder> Trying
[13:32] <youngcoder> Connected to localhost.localdomain.
[13:32] <youngcoder> Escape character is '^]'.
[13:33] <SMP> phew. ok, good. edit your smb.conf to say "x-machine" as the netbios name, instead of LINX
[13:33] <youngcoder> ok
[13:33] <SMP> then samba restart again
[13:33] <youngcoder> ok
[13:34] <SMP> "smbclient -L x-machine" ..?
[13:39] <youngcoder> root@x-machine:/home/codemaster # smbclient -L x-machine
[13:39] <youngcoder> Password:
[13:39] <youngcoder> session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[13:42] <SMP> ok, that's good. run "smbpasswd -L -U codemaster -a"
[13:43] <youngcoder> done
[13:43] <SMP> "smbclient -L x-machine -U codemaster" ..?
[13:45] <youngcoder> want me to past it here or pastebin?
[13:46] <SMP> erh, pastebin is a good idea
[13:47] <youngcoder> SMP, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1852
[13:49] <owl> yes, root.img es which are including nothing are very experimental O_O
[13:49] <SMP> where does that "Unnamed" share come from? you configured it in smb.conf?
[13:50] <SMP> ok -- browsing not working. any of the machines running some kind of stupid firewall?
[13:50] <youngcoder> nope
[13:51] <SMP> the windows machine has the Client for Microsoft Networks bound to your network interface facing the x-machine?
[13:51] <youngcoder> not sure but i know that clients is installed
[13:52] <SMP> what's the hostname of your windows box? run "nmblookup thathostname"
[13:53] <youngcoder> root@x-machine:/home/codemaster # nmblookup x-machine2
[13:53] <youngcoder> querying x-machine2 on
[13:53] <youngcoder> name_query failed to find name x-machine2
[13:55] <SMP> run "smbclient -I -L x-machine2", where is the IP address of your windows box
[13:56] <youngcoder> ok
[13:58] <youngcoder> root@x-machine:/home/codemaster # smbclient -I -L x-machine
[13:58] <youngcoder> Password:
[13:58] <youngcoder> Domain=[X-MACHINE2] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
[13:58] <youngcoder> tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_DUPLICATE_NAME
[14:00] <SMP> ok, 1st, you should have used "x-machine2" because that's the name of your windows box, not "x-machine"
[14:00] <youngcoder> ahh crap
[14:01] <youngcoder> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1854
[14:02] <SMP> ok, it looks like you don't actually have the workgroup set to "MSHOME" on your windows box, or it's using a Domain, not a workgroup. verify these setting on the windows box
[14:03] <youngcoder> ok
[14:09] <youngcoder> ok i think i fixed it
[14:10] <youngcoder> one sec
[14:14] <youngcoder> i had the domain controller enabled in policy editor ... i disabled it but go the same result
[14:25] <youngcoder> SMP, ?
[14:30] <SMP> well, what exactly is the windows machine configured like? member of which workgroup or which domain?
[14:31] <youngcoder> it is set to MSHOME
[14:31] <youngcoder> just peer-to-peer file sharing
[14:31] <youngcoder> the domain controller was enabled but i disabled it and rebooted
[14:32] <youngcoder> and when i do smbtree i get no return info
[14:33] <youngcoder> it should come back with \\servername\share or something and i got nothing
[14:33] <SMP> try "Start"->"Run" and enter "\\x-machine"
[14:35] <youngcoder> it opened my My Network Places folder
[14:49] Action: blindcoder building a crystal for his laptop
[14:49] <blindcoder> daja77: what's the status of DD?
[14:49] <youngcoder> heya blindcoder 
[14:49] <blindcoder> hi youngcoder 
[14:50] <youngcoder> wie ist Ihr Tag?
[14:51] <blindcoder> basst scho
[14:58] <youngcoder> das ist gut
[14:59] <youngcoder> im going to give compiling a kernel a try
[15:25] <SMP> that's a nice exercise, but it's not going to fix your SMB networking
[15:27] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:27] <blindcoder> I need some "Kabelschellen"
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[17:17] <youngcoder> wow i thought compiling a kernel was a lot harder
[17:17] <youngcoder> im surprised
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[18:02] <giftnuss_> Schoenes Wochenende allerseits
[18:02] <ija> hi
[18:03] <ija> you wrote in the wrong language
[18:03] <giftnuss_> sorry
[18:03] <giftnuss_> nice weekend everyone
[18:03] <youngcoder> A0<5 B> K>C
[18:03] <youngcoder> oops
[18:03] <youngcoder> same to you
[18:07] <blindcoder> hi giftnuss_ 
[18:07] <giftnuss_> hi
[18:14] <youngcoder> hey blindcoder 
[18:14] <youngcoder> you run rocklinux right?
[18:19] <blindcoder> youngcoder: that's why we are in this channel
[18:20] <giftnuss_> yes, absolute
[18:21] <blindcoder> well, some at least :)
[18:22] <blindcoder> personally I'm just heure to leech off the wisdom of others :)
[18:25] <youngcoder> lol
[18:25] <youngcoder> how do you like rock so far?
[18:26] <blindcoder> well I'm using it privately and at work for some time now
[18:31] <youngcoder> what is the bug situation like?
[18:32] <blindcoder> none known
[18:32] <youngcoder> wow
[18:33] <blindcoder> if you only want a distribution, everything's okay
[18:33] <blindcoder> if you want to build a distribution, there's some TODO left
[18:35] <youngcoder> im thinking of putiong it on my -experimental- comp
[18:35] <youngcoder> it would be nice to have a real reason to be in this chat room :P
[18:36] <blindcoder> heh
[18:37] <youngcoder> well my 2.6.13 kernel id finally done compiling
[18:38] <blindcoder> hmm
[18:38] <blindcoder> I've only heard bad things about .13
[18:38] <youngcoder> i know
[18:38] <blindcoder> so I'm sticking to .12.3
[18:38] <youngcoder> it is still good to know how to compile a kernel
[18:39] <youngcoder> it is my first one
[18:39] <youngcoder> the is a lot of new experimental stuff involved with it
[18:39] <blindcoder> heh
[18:39] <blindcoder> It took me four days to get a working kernel for the first time
[18:40] <youngcoder> well i dont know that it is working but it is compiled
[18:57] <giftnuss_> my compiled kernels work, but not perfect.
[18:58] <blindcoder> I just use the rock kernels as they are
[18:58] <blindcoder> manually compiling your kernel doesn't really give you anything
[18:58] <giftnuss_> NTFS write support?
[18:59] <blindcoder> in a windows-less network?
[18:59] <giftnuss_> i'm not there
[18:59] <blindcoder> :)
[18:59] <blindcoder> okay, so add that option to your rock configuration :)
[19:00] <mnemoc> you can enable NTFS write support on config/$config/linux.cfg
[19:00] <mnemoc> iirc
[19:00] <blindcoder> I've had too many problems too often with disabling half the options, then wanting one module and having to rebuild everything
[19:01] <giftnuss_> i think write support needs mm-kernel patch, last i'v tried
[19:02] <giftnuss_> stable kernel is able to read ntfs
[19:02] <blindcoder> Create-PkgUpdPatch linux-2.6.x-mmy
[19:02] <giftnuss_> it was only an example
[19:03] <mnemoc> vanilla 2.6.10 i have here includes CONFIG_NTFS_RW
[19:03] <giftnuss_> good news
[19:04] <giftnuss_> how about reiser4
[19:04] <youngcoder> what do you need reiser4 for?
[19:04] <blindcoder> to store data :)
[19:04] <mnemoc> i stay with reiser3
[19:04] <youngcoder> ya
[19:04] <giftnuss_> it is an interesting filesystem
[19:04] <youngcoder> reiser 3 does it fine
[19:05] <blindcoder> a lot of people stick to ext3
[19:05] <blindcoder> at least at the local LUG
[19:32] <youngcoder> ok im booting to the 2.6.13 be right back
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[20:43] <owl> moin
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[20:56] <daja77> re
[20:56] <blindcoder> remoin
[20:58] <daja77> I saw that someone hilighted me but that server was rebooted in the meantime ...
[20:59] <blindcoder> baeh
[20:59] <blindcoder> techno party next door...
[20:59] <daja77> hrhr
[20:59] Action: blindcoder holds against it with some jpop!!
[21:05] <daja77> damn it how long do lq neeed to send a simple registration mail
[21:07] <blindcoder> next to immediately usually
[21:08] <blindcoder> well, it's been a year since I registered
[21:08] <blindcoder> still 0 posts :)
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[21:21] <daja77> sigh
[21:49] <blindcoder> daja77: got them?
[21:49] <daja77> no
[22:09] <blindcoder> hmm
[22:09] <blindcoder> strange
[22:42] <owl> btw, for ibm rs/6000 43p-150-owners: #linux-43p150  ;)
[22:42] <blindcoder> heh
[22:42] <blindcoder> yours?
[22:42] <owl> nah. someone from #ppclinux opened me and invited me and so. but i am op, too
[22:43] <blindcoder> ah
[22:44] <owl> yeah ;)
[23:26] <daja77> account activated
[23:26] <daja77> blindcoder: add daja77 to that list
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[23:50] <the-dead> hi
[23:51] <the-dead> i read on the website that an ibm rs6000 b5 is used for creating the ppc cd's
[23:52] <the-dead> does that cd's boot on a 7043-150 (43p-150) too?
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