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[07:50] <blindcoder> moin
[08:28] <esden> moin
[08:28] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[08:28] <esden> hehe ... good that you are here .. I would like to ask you one more time to look at my blog ... I have posted a photograph there and would like to know what you think about it
[08:29] <blindcoder> url?
[08:29] <esden> www.esden.net
[08:29] <esden> as always :P
[08:29] <blindcoder> nice photo
[08:30] <esden> thanks ... 
[08:30] <blindcoder> what is glowing there?
[08:30] <blindcoder> cigarette?
[08:31] <esden> nope ... my brother found something lying beside the fire and lit it up
[08:31] <esden> and that sparkled that way
[08:31] <blindcoder> heh, nice
[08:31] <esden> I think so too, that is why I posted it ;)
[08:32] <esden> I will post another photo today ... I will see what ...
[08:32] <owl> moin
[08:32] <esden> hi owl
[08:32] <blindcoder> well, I'm currently writing documentation how to create targets with ROCK
[08:32] <blindcoder> moin moin owl
[08:32] <owl> hi esden , blindcoder 
[08:32] <esden> humm .. I think I should download images from my camera
[08:33] Action: blindcoder will get his kendo armor today ^^
[08:33] <esden> let's see what I do have on it
[08:33] Action: esden doing lots of pictures ... too many of them
[08:35] <esden> umm ... another 70ty pictures
[08:35] <blindcoder> heh
[09:02] <esden> humm I love spotlight!
[09:03] <esden> I would need to run find for hours to find the same stuff 
[09:05] <blindcoder> spotlight?
[09:08] <esden> yes spotlight
[09:09] <esden> desktop search system from apple integrated in mac os x ... the only desktop containing such a thing as default for now
[09:09] <esden> I do not want to miss that feature anymore
[09:09] <blindcoder> a search engine for my machine?
[09:09] <esden> yes
[09:09] <blindcoder> ever tried locate/updatedb?
[09:09] <esden> it is crap compared to that
[09:10] <blindcoder> hmm
[09:10] <esden> it does not contain my emails with contents ... does not contain configuration panels for the system
[09:10] <esden> does not contain metat tags of my images
[09:10] <esden> does not contain the texts in pdf files on my disk
[09:10] <esden> and and and and
[09:11] <esden> silence *GG*
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[09:13] <esden> humm
[09:13] <blindcoder> esden: so basically, it does not read my email :)
[09:14] <esden> erm I do not know what you have read
[09:14] <esden> and it does not index them and many other things
[09:14] <blindcoder> 09:11 < esden> it does not contain my emails with contents
[09:14] <esden> and that sucks
[09:14] <esden> 09:11 < esden> it does not contain my emails with contents ... does not contain configuration panels for the system
[09:14] <esden> 09:11 < esden> does not contain metat tags of my images
[09:14] <esden> 09:11 < esden> does not contain the texts in pdf files on my disk
[09:15] <esden> 09:11 < esden> and and and and
[09:15] <esden> 09:13 < esden> silence *GG*
[09:15] <blindcoder> yeahyeahyeah
[09:15] <blindcoder> I've read it all :P
[09:15] <esden> good
[09:15] <th> basically spotlight is one of the few things which would make me to update to tiger.
[09:16] <th> (from panther)
[09:16] <th> i used extra-app for that purpose before (named quicksilver)
[09:16] <esden> th: dashboard is also a very nice thing ... even though I did not believe that before I upgraded
[09:16] <th> esden: yes. that's another one of the few
[09:17] <th> esden: and i think there are cooler touchpad features now.
[09:20] <esden> yes .. but sadly only in the newer macs .... in the older ones one has to install a hacked together driver that is pretty unstable ...
[09:20] <esden> the driver almost killed a mac of a friend of mine 
[09:20] <esden> ill thing
[09:21] <daja77> .oO (so apple now ships a google dektop sth now)
[09:28] <esden> daja77: yes something like that but nicely integrated in the system ... 
[09:29] <esden> so it is not hacked in the system with brute force like the google thing is
[09:29] <daja77> well they had to do it this way ;)
[09:29] <esden> the same desktop search microsoft wants to have in longhorn (vista)
[09:30] <esden> there is also something in that direction for gnome
[09:30] <esden> I do not know such a solution for kde
[09:30] <esden> and the gnome thing is alpha for now
[09:31] <blindcoder> well, you have to start somewhere
[09:33] <esden> blindcoder: yes but os x has it already since several months and it works stable and well
[09:33] <esden> and gnome will have it in some years stable and well
[09:33] <daja77> if ever ^^
[09:33] <esden> I am happy to have it now and not in years
[09:34] <blindcoder> esden: see, I organize my stuff immediately so I don't have to search for it :)
[09:34] <daja77> hehe
[09:35] <esden> I also do organize stuff imediatly but from time to time something gets lost
[09:35] <blindcoder> so obviously your organisation is flawed :)
[09:35] <th> using spotlight makes things faster even if you know exactly where it is
[09:35] <th> it's like tab-completion in the shell
[09:35] <esden> or I do not know where an application installed its contents (maya in this case) a type then a search in spotlight (maya) and seconds after that I see where its files and everything related is located
[09:36] <blindcoder> mine -l maya # :)
[09:36] Action: blindcoder hides from esden 
[09:36] <esden> and yes that is the other use ... I want to open a project file of my program I am coding currently .. I type (DeBlog) in the search of spotlight ... and just after that enter
[09:37] <esden> and it starts
[09:37] <blindcoder> cd ~/projects/deblog/src # :)
[09:37] <th> thats more to tyoe
[09:37] <esden> blindcoder: many times I saw that mine was not detecting all files of a packet .. and was installing its stuff somewhere and had to search my disk for hours to find all places it exploded
[09:37] <th> p
[09:38] <blindcoder> th: yeah, but less to wait :P
[09:38] <esden> and spotlight is more than that ... there are many uses for it
[09:38] <blindcoder> guess you'll have to show me on the weekend
[09:38] <th> blindcoder: almost no difference
[09:38] <daja77> yes indeed the files might be in packge:dev or package:doc ... this is annoying sometimes
[09:38] <th> blindcoder: does not take a single second for me
[09:38] <blindcoder> th: neither for me
[09:39] <blindcoder> daja77: -s should probably work for -l, too
[09:39] <th> blindcoder: but more work for your fingers
[09:39] <blindcoder> hardly
[09:39] <esden> blindcoder: believe me ... typing in the console the path to the project and starting an editor for the right file takes much longer then typing (deblog) in spotlight and pressing enter
[09:39] <blindcoder> cd ~/pr<tab>/de<tab>/s<tax>
[09:39] <blindcoder> esden: that's why I said you should show me on the weekend
[09:40] <th> blindcoder: 14 keys
[09:40] <blindcoder> th: and no mouse
[09:40] <esden> blindcoder: spotlight is also no mouse
[09:40] <th> blindcoder: <APPLE>deblog<ENTER>        no mouse
[09:40] <th> aehm
[09:40] <blindcoder> but I don't know how spotlight works, so esden should show me
[09:40] <th> <APPLE><SPACE> that is
[09:41] <esden> there is a nice video for that ... that shows spotlight very well
[09:41] <esden> sec
[09:41] <blindcoder> nah
[09:41] <blindcoder> no marketing fluff :P
[09:41] <blindcoder> just show me and I'll be fine
[09:41] <blindcoder> can't watch it at work anyway
[09:41] <esden> kk
[09:42] <esden> but one thing sucks at the moment ... 
[09:42] <esden> I miss my 1G ram
[09:42] <daja77> that's good for dating: shall I show you my spotlight?
[09:42] <esden> my machine is really slow and laggy with 512
[09:42] <esden> daja77: loool
[09:42] <esden> daja77: or may I show you my computer? ... that is the same
[09:43] <daja77> yeah
[09:43] <esden> but the moment I arrive in germany I will have 1.5GB RAM *happy*
[09:43] <daja77> I'll show you my apple
[09:43] <daja77> so yu are where?
[09:43] <esden> I am currently in warsaw ... as you may read in my blog :P
[09:44] <daja77> I haven't ...
[09:44] <blindcoder> esden: some RAM dealers at the border?
[09:44] <blindcoder> or is there some exchange ratio on RAM between germany<->poland?
[09:44] <esden> blindcoder: nah ... I have a deal with my apple service partner *GG*
[09:44] <esden> in munich
[09:45] <esden> ahh right I should call the guy before I leave to germany
[09:45] <blindcoder> ah
[09:45] <esden> so that I can be sure that he has that stuff on stock when I arrive
[09:45] <daja77> they took the ram when he entered poland to give it ack to him at a higher price when he comes back ^^
[09:45] <daja77> back*
[09:47] <esden> the story is this ... I had 1GB and 512MB died ... I still have warranty and he will change it ... the guy did not have that ram on stock before I left to poland and because of that I said that he should get 1GB module and I will pay the difference between 512 and 1G that way I get an upgrade without paying the full 1GB module price
[09:47] <daja77> ^^
[09:53] <th> is svn-1.2.1 -> svn-1.2.3 update already in submaster?
[09:53] <blindcoder> don't think so
[09:53] <daja77> no it isn't
[09:53] <th> k
[09:53] <th> i just tested 1.2.0 -> 1.2.3 in stable
[09:54] <th> without problems
[09:54] <th> perhaps someone could do a test on trunk
[09:54] <th> so we can send the update
[09:59] <netrunner> owl: avmfritz works with kernel 2.6.9
[10:01] <owl> netrunner: huh? 
[10:03] <netrunner> owl: you once complained ... stumbled over that while resolving the issue yesterday :)
[10:06] <owl> aeh. where? /when? isdn-time? :)
[10:07] <owl> <- dsl ;)
[10:07] <netrunner> owl: this year. 
[10:08] <owl> O_O maybe in jan. or so? ;)
[10:08] <owl> guess i tried to compilie a kernel for my old router... 
[10:10] <owl> thx anyway ;)
[10:24] <netrunner> could someone supply me with a trunk tarball please?
[10:26] <blindcoder> no svn?
[10:26] <blindcoder> let me get my tar running
[10:29] <owl> gnarf. my hamster eats my breakfast
[10:29] <H-K_> go get it =)
[10:30] <owl> tsss :)
[10:30] <owl> .oo( grilled hamster... mjam )
[10:32] <netrunner> hamster.eats(breakfast); owl.eats(hamster.eats(breakfast));
[10:32] <netrunner> now who eats owl? *eg*
[10:33] <owl> true.eats(owl.eats(hamster.eats(breakfast)));
[10:33] <blindcoder> why do I have that "token ring" image in my mind now?
[10:34] <blindcoder> netrunner: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/rock6334.tar.bz2
[10:41] <H-K_> Cold Light Cathodes are getting cheap. I exchanged all the lights in my room.
[10:42] <H-K_> thanks to all the casemodders =)
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[11:51] <Pilot> hi all
[12:02] <netrunner> blindcoder: thx, fetching.
[12:28] <blindcoder> moin Pilot 
[12:29] Action: Pilot has read two more pages from SVN book yesterday before going to bed...
[12:30] <blindcoder> nice sleeping lecture? :)
[12:47] <owl> hi Pilot 
[12:51] <blindcoder> so
[12:51] <blindcoder> I'm out of ideas what to add to rockdoc for now
[12:54] <daja77> how to use submaster ;)
[12:54] <blindcoder> That I don't know
[12:54] <blindcoder> I only use the webinterface to submit patches
[12:54] <blindcoder> I use svn for everything else
[12:59] <daja77> you could start with the instructiosn that are on the hp in a speperate place, it isn't that complicated
[13:00] <blindcoder> Currently doing the PackageFilesReference
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[13:05] <blindcoder> heh, cool
[13:05] <blindcoder> there's a mechanism to apply patches automatically to specific source tarballs
[13:06] <blindcoder> so if you have a package that downloads foo-1.2.3.tar.bz2 and bar-4.5.6.tar.bz2
[13:06] <blindcoder> you create a patch1.patch.foo to be applied to the foo source tar
[13:07] <daja77> yes
[13:07] <blindcoder> and a patch1.patch.bar to be applied to the bar source tar
[13:07] <blindcoder> is this used somewhere?
[13:08] <daja77> yes in xpdf and it was in the old xine package
[13:08] <blindcoder> I see
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[14:11] <fooboy> how do i delete a directory
[14:17] <netrunner> man rm
[14:18] <fooboy> no thanks
[14:22] <th> fooboy: `rm -rf / MY_DIRECTORY` does that
[14:22] <fooboy> thanks
[14:22] <fooboy> whats with the f tag
[14:22] <fooboy> flag
[14:23] <th> that's the 'fire-and-forget' flag
[14:24] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[14:24] <blindcoder> th: you're evil 
[14:25] <blindcoder> fooboy: man rm and man rmdir are your friend
[14:25] <th> evilness to those who can't read manuals...
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[15:24] <h-k> http://www.linux-user.de/ausgabe/2003/03/084-logout/ does rm -rf run up to the bitter end?(german)
[15:24] <blindcoder> no
[15:24] <blindcoder> up to the first undeletable directory
[15:28] <h-k> well, Im about to find out =)
[15:28] <blindcoder> one more reason to have /boot/ on its own partition :D
[15:29] <h-k> yup
[15:29] <th> few chattr -i should do
[15:33] <h-k> I plugged in my old file server. I'll try 'rm -rfv /' .
[15:34] <blindcoder> th: +i, no?
[15:34] <blindcoder> h-k: to maximize effect: rm -rfv /*
[15:35] <blindcoder> then it won't stop at mountpoints
[15:36] <h-k> eh...ok
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[15:44] <netrunner> blindcoder: with /foo/* it would also crawl up, no?
[15:45] <blindcoder> netrunner: no
[15:45] <blindcoder> netrunner: first, because bash doesn't autocomplete anything that starts with a . including '.' and '..'
[15:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: second, I think that rm explicitly skips ..
[15:47] <netrunner> hm. maybe it was the case in former times :)
[15:47] <netrunner> http://www.cb2000info.com/cb2000.html device my gf will equip me with before starting my foreign semester
[15:50] <blindcoder> okay and... what is it?
[15:52] <netrunner> chastity belt for men
[15:52] <h-k> "Two small bars go across the bottom of Ring 'D'. This prevents manual stimulation while still allowing use at the urinals."
[15:52] <blindcoder> ouch
[15:53] <blindcoder> so what about a morning boner?
[15:53] <netrunner> not allowed :)
[15:54] <blindcoder> ehm
[15:54] <blindcoder> absolutely
[15:54] <blindcoder> totally
[15:54] <blindcoder> 100%
[15:54] <blindcoder> and round-about
[15:54] <blindcoder> DECLINED
[15:58] <netrunner> time to exercise some lockpicking
[15:58] <daja77> hehe
[15:59] <blindcoder> good luck
[15:59] <blindcoder> time to get my kendo armor to defend myself against lockpickers :D
[15:59] <blindcoder> bbl
[15:59] <fooboy> KILL
[16:03] <h-k> # cd /etc  -> bash: cd /etc: not a directory (?!)
[16:04] <h-k> netrunner: you'll go to japan?
[16:05] <h-k> sorry missread
[16:06] <h-k> not my day today
[16:06] <daja77> netrunner: http://bash.org/?5411 'nuff said
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[16:31] <owl> re
[16:36] <h-k> realy not my day.... have to find out how /etc transformted into a file
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[17:54] <blindcoder> re
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[18:56] <owl> O_O
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[20:44] <treo> hi
[20:44] <blindcoder> moin treo 
[20:45] <cutio_> aloha treo
[21:03] <netrunner> ts, there I can wait much longer for fetching the 2nd_stage: link/ieee1394
[21:04] <blindcoder> hm?
[21:09] <netrunner> that kernel didn't have my ethernet driver, but the ieee1394-network driver.
[21:11] <blindcoder> oh
[21:15] <netrunner> huh? [1]+ Stopped: reboot(SIGSTOP)
[21:16] <blindcoder> o_O
[21:16] <blindcoder> cool
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