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[07:57] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:19] <blindcoder> if I start it during the boot process it ignores all rules
[09:19] <blindcoder> if I run it from an interactive shell, it uses teh
[09:19] <blindcoder> them
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[11:22] <owl> hi
[11:22] <blindcoder> moin owl
[11:23] <owl> hi blindy
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[11:24] <owl> guten hunger
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[11:49] <blindcoder> danke
[12:07] <owl> bitte.
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[15:39] <uncleandy> hi everybody!!
[15:39] <daja77_> hi uncleandy 
[15:39] <uncleandy> daja77, how you doing?
[15:40] <daja77_> quite good
[15:40] <uncleandy> daja77, are you using rock linux?
[15:40] <daja77_> yes
[15:41] <uncleandy> daja77, how does it compare to other distros?
[15:42] <daja77_> it is a distribution build kit not a single distribution
[15:42] <blindcoder> http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/WhatIsROCK
[15:42] <daja77_> :D
[15:43] <uncleandy> thank you..... but you like it?
[15:43] <blindcoder> personally, yes
[15:43] <blindcoder> I can't actually imagine using another kind of distribution anymore
[15:44] <uncleandy> blindcoder, and its got a running gui, right?
[15:44] <blindcoder> uncleandy: define running gui?
[15:44] <blindcoder> uncleandy: if you mean X and KDE/Gnome/whatever, then sure
[15:45] <blindcoder> uncleandy: if you mean YaST then no
[15:45] <uncleandy> blindcoder, Gnome..... all i needed to know, does it use a package handler?
[15:46] <blindcoder> uncleandy: there is a package manager called "mine" and an apt-get like frontend called "rocket"
[15:47] <blindcoder> see http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/InstallingPackages and http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/RemovingPackages
[15:47] <blindcoder> there's a lot of detailed information about the package management in there
[15:47] <uncleandy> blindcoder, thanks..... how long have you been using it?
[15:48] <blindcoder> uncleandy: a few years now
[15:48] <uncleandy> blindcoder, without any worries?
[15:48] <blindcoder> uncleandy: hardly any. at least not more than I had with debian and surely a lot less
[15:49] <uncleandy> blindcoder, cool..... what other distros did you use?
[15:49] <blindcoder> SuSE and Debian
[15:49] <blindcoder> in that order
[15:50] <blindcoder> as I started tinkering with the system myself, SuSE totally broke within weeks
[15:50] <uncleandy> and how does rock compare with suse?
[15:50] <blindcoder> uhm, not at all :)
[15:50] <blindcoder> it's difficult to compare SuSE where YaST wants to do everything
[15:50] <uncleandy> hehe... that sucks.... atleast with rock you can play around, right?
[15:51] <blindcoder> to ROCK where the user is supposed to configure stuff himself and the ROCK toolkit is there to assist in basic stuff
[15:51] <blindcoder> yes, you can and you should :)
[15:52] <uncleandy> cool. you think id have any problems switching from mandriva?
[15:52] <blindcoder> if you can setup your X server manually as well as all the other little things that need configuring, no.
[15:52] <blindcoder> though I don't think there are any recent ISOs available
[15:53] <blindcoder> so you would have to build your own ROCK
[15:53] <uncleandy> i see..... id better stick with mandriva for a little while longer, its actually my work pc, not supposed to be messing around with it.
[15:54] <blindcoder> heh, okay. that's a wise decision then
[15:54] <blindcoder> It usually takes a few days to a week to get accustomed to ROCK so unless you're as masochistic as me you probably shouldn't jump into it on a productive system :)
[15:55] <uncleandy> just think what my boss would do... not being to do work for a week..... would be fun though :)
[15:55] <blindcoder> hehe
[15:55] <blindcoder> what kind of work?
[15:56] <uncleandy> im an IT Tech..... and been doing alot of stuff on the pc lately.
[15:56] <blindcoder> I see. No, you wouldn't want to do it on that machine
[15:57] <uncleandy> what kind of work you into?? if you dont mind my asking.
[15:58] <blindcoder> I'm working with Solaris machines currently
[15:58] <blindcoder> and a bit on ROCK here and there
[15:58] <blindcoder> just submitted another patch :)
[15:58] <uncleandy> cool..... you enjoy it?
[15:58] <blindcoder> solaris? no :)
[15:59] <daja77_> sending patches is part of the fun
[15:59] <blindcoder> it's a pain in terms of usability
[15:59] <uncleandy> then what would you like to do?
[15:59] <blindcoder> personally I'd love to have a coding job, preferrable very high level or very low level
[16:00] <daja77_> go dancing with the girls instead :D
[16:00] <blindcoder> but since the market in germany for that is oversatiated that won't happen soon
[16:00] <blindcoder> so I'm currently here, gaining some experience within germany and abroad
[16:00] <uncleandy> daja77, it would help if i could dance :)
[16:01] <blindcoder> heh, haven't been dancing for almost a year
[16:01] <blindcoder> just couldn't find a decent partner in berlin
[16:01] <uncleandy> blindcoder, but you woudlnt want to do my messy job of fixing printers and so on, right?
[16:01] <daja77_> well I can't dance either the important stuff is to have the girls around
[16:01] <daja77_> blindcoder: your girlfriend?
[16:01] <uncleandy> daja77, hehehe..... i like your attitude...
[16:01] <blindcoder> daja77_: she does not dance :(
[16:02] <daja77_> ic
[16:02] <blindcoder> heh, that reminds me of a quote of my cousin Nicole about me: Every time you see him he's with at least three girls.
[16:02] <daja77_> hehe
[16:03] <daja77_> someone said sth similar about me too ...
[16:03] <uncleandy> daja77, so what do you do for a living?
[16:03] <blindcoder> he's a lazy student and leeching off of others *hide*
[16:03] <daja77_> I am still studying
[16:03] Action: daja77_ kicks blindcoder 
[16:03] <blindcoder> ouch
[16:04] <uncleandy> blindcoder, just pull his funding and see how quickly the attitude changes.... :)
[16:05] <uncleandy> daja77, so what are you studying??
[16:05] <daja77_> computer science
[16:05] <blindcoder> uncleandy: and have him live in my flat just so he can torture me? no way! :)
[16:05] <daja77_> hm interesting thought
[16:05] <uncleandy> blindcoder, kick him out.... its not that bad... :p
[16:06] <daja77_> but I could need a place to rest during c3
[16:06] Action: daja77_ hides
[16:06] <uncleandy> daja77, do they actually teach you something??
[16:06] <daja77_> think so
[16:07] <blindcoder> daja77_: you know, I don't have an elevator and live in the 3rd floor
[16:07] <uncleandy> daja77, think so?? do you even attend class?
[16:07] <daja77_> blindcoder: I can walk stairs ;)
[16:08] <daja77_> uncleandy: no more, writing the diploma
[16:08] <uncleandy> daja77, cool..... so what you going to do then??
[16:08] <daja77_> dunno
[16:08] <blindcoder> daja77_: you're always welcome at my little flat
[16:08] <daja77_> great thx
[16:09] <uncleandy> daja77, and your always welcome to come take over my job....
[16:09] <uncleandy> blindcoder, i think you just made a mistake....
[16:09] <blindcoder> uncleandy: btw, the most fun at rock is that there's no complicated ritual for becoming a dev. Just send a patch and you're in :)
[16:09] <blindcoder> uncleandy: nah, daja77_ is clean already :)
[16:10] <daja77_> :D
[16:10] <daja77_> we will meet at dresden before that anyway
[16:10] <blindcoder> daja77_: right. how about the registration there, anyway?
[16:10] <uncleandy> blindcoder, cool..... 
[16:11] <uncleandy> are there alot of jobs for people like me in germany??
[16:12] <daja77_> blindcoder: git still no official reply but the guy told me we are in anyway ...
[16:12] <blindcoder> if you're not too picky and have certificates in a few areas (oracle, sap, java or something like that) you can get a nice job
[16:12] <blindcoder> daja77_: great :)
[16:13] <daja77_> where are you from?
[16:13] <blindcoder> .za that's south africa, no?
[16:13] <uncleandy> yip... south africa.... ever been here?
[16:14] <daja77_> not yet
[16:14] <daja77_> so there are ppl in .za that are not using ubunt :D
[16:14] <daja77_> +u
[16:14] <uncleandy> daja77, hehe, yip.... currently using mandriva...
[16:14] <blindcoder> no, but a co-worker is from there
[16:15] <uncleandy> blindcoder, cool.... 
[16:15] <blindcoder> he's been in germany for two decades now, I think
[16:15] <uncleandy> blindcoder, lucky bugger..... iv actually always wnated to go to germany.
[16:16] <blindcoder> well, how good is your German?
[16:16] <uncleandy> blindcoder, not good.... still need to learn.
[16:16] <blindcoder> well, it is the first step to getting here :)
[16:17] <blindcoder> talking of getting, time for me to get home
[16:17] <blindcoder> bbl
[16:17] <uncleandy> blindcoder, ok... be good.
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[16:19] <uncleandy> Ich bin der Dorfidiot
[16:19] <uncleandy> :)
[16:20] <daja77_> ^^
[16:20] <uncleandy> daja77, and now??
[16:22] <daja77_> what now? I can't do anything about it
[16:23] <uncleandy> daja77, about me?? or something else?
[16:23] <daja77_> yes
[16:24] <uncleandy> daja77, ok... have you ever tried babelfish from altavista?
[16:24] <daja77_> hm yes
[16:25] <uncleandy> daja77, i c.... its a shame i cant stuff it in my pocket, go to germany and just use it to translate...
[16:25] <daja77_> yeah
[16:26] <uncleandy> daja77, guess i'll just have to speak afrikaans and really be the Dorfidiot.... :)
[16:27] <daja77_> afrikaans is similar to the language in the netherlands ...
[16:28] <uncleandy> daja77, yip..... pretty close.... the dutch actually consider south africa family.
[16:30] <uncleandy> daja77, quick question, have you ever heard of the lastname Nieuwoudt?
[16:30] <daja77_> no
[16:30] <uncleandy> daja77, oh ok, thanks.
[16:31] <uncleandy> anyway, im off... gotta get some stuff done....
[16:31] <uncleandy> cheers all!
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[16:33] <daja77_> .oO (guybrush threepwood)
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[18:15] <blindcoder> hehe
[18:16] <daja77_> hannes!!!111
[18:16] <blindcoder> hannes? where? *looks around*
[18:17] <daja77_> look at the latest join
[18:17] Action: blindcoder looks
[18:17] <blindcoder> oh
[18:17] <blindcoder> aneredes: *hugs*
[18:17] <blindcoder> heh, fits
[18:17] <blindcoder> Big Big Trouble just started playin :D
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[19:06] <cutio> Valium - 180 PiIls - 370$
[19:06] <cutio> hmm
[19:07] <blindcoder> sounds like a real bargain
[19:08] <cutio> its cheap, indeed
[19:14] <owl> valium? wtf?
[19:14] <blindcoder> well, I don't need it :D
[19:15] <owl> blindcoder: you could sell it to angie.
[19:15] <blindcoder> owl: angie?
[19:15] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
[19:15] <owl> blindcoder: angie! don't tell me that you don't know your best friends name?! angie merkel!
[19:16] <owl> might her face would not look sooo pitbull-like then, anymore
[19:16] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/valium.png
[19:16] <owl> hm?
[19:17] <blindcoder> well, I was not sure if valium was the painkiller or the viagra knock-off
[19:17] <blindcoder> so I did a google search
[19:17] <blindcoder> and that's the result :D
[19:18] <owl> blindcoder: wikipedia *g* 
[19:18] <cutio> only morphium is better than valium! yay!
[19:18] <owl> (or just ask me. your local drug-knowing-lexika)
[19:18] <blindcoder> owl: so what's valium?
[19:19] <blindcoder> ah, the viagra knockoff was cialis
[19:19] Action: blindcoder hugs his spam inbox
[19:19] <blindcoder> good timing :)
[19:19] <owl> blindcoder: in short words: medicine which makes you feel great (world with pink glasses...)
[19:19] <blindcoder> ah, antidepressiva
[19:20] <owl> normally there was/is a valium-therapy, also...
[19:20] <owl> yeah, something similar
[19:20] <owl> well. i need to catch a "strohhalm" - the drugs from my dentist still work... 
[19:21] <cutio> but morphium is great too, you dont really feel any pain even if you get hurt or something
[19:21] <blindcoder> pain can be overcome by the mind
[19:22] <blindcoder> at least that's my experience
[19:22] <cutio> physical pain!
[19:22] <blindcoder> yeah
[19:22] <blindcoder> punches, cuts, needles, whatever
[19:22] <cutio> someone punches you and you laugh =)
[19:23] <blindcoder> that's called masochism :P
[19:23] <cutio> or stoned ;)
[19:23] <blindcoder> whatever :)
[19:23] <owl> O_O
[19:25] <owl> <- pain, but not laughing :(
[19:25] <cutio> dont look strange! dont tell me a person without drugs can configure sendmail for example
[19:25] <daja77_> http://www.mediaonline.de/shop/MMServiceView?storeId=5000&catalogId=5000&langId=-3&identifier=Sendungsverfolgung
[19:25] <blindcoder> I doubt a person without drugs can configure sendmail
[19:25] <blindcoder> not to speak of programming it
[19:25] <blindcoder> daja77_: wee, apache tomcat! *urrgs*
[19:26] <cutio> somehow i feel happy becaue i dont know apache tomcat o.O
[19:26] <blindcoder> cutio: bless you
[19:26] <blindcoder> btw
[19:26] <blindcoder> anyone here use "Packstation"?
[19:28] <daja77_> owl: speaking oif angie http://www.galeria.uq.pl/data/thumbnails/89/merkel_toeten.jpg
[19:29] <blindcoder> Angie! AAaaaaangie! When will those clouds all disappear?
[19:29] <blindcoder> daja77_: cool :D
[19:30] <daja77_> ^^
[19:30] <cutio> lets vote gregor!
[19:30] <blindcoder> the cool thing about packstation is that you can change your PIN online
[19:30] <blindcoder> and that your PIN is transmitted in the HTML source code
[19:31] <blindcoder> you have to enter the old pin to set a new one
[19:31] <blindcoder> and it used to be checked using javascript if it was the correct old one
[19:31] <owl> http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=angie8by.jpg <- angie
[19:31] <blindcoder> now it's checked server side and sent using a input type="hidden" form element
[19:31] <blindcoder> the old pin, that is
[19:32] <blindcoder> owl: well, that's a good collage
[19:32] <owl> blindcoder: *g* yeah. 
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