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[01:53] <madtux> hello.
[01:56] <mnemoc> hi madtux 
[01:59] <madtux> hello mnemoc.
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[06:39] <cutio> hello world
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[08:46] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:25] <netrunner> moin, 2
[09:38] <netrunner> http://de.news.yahoo.com/050921/286/4p4m3.html
[09:55] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[09:59] Action: netrunner now knows how to dung his plants.
[09:59] <blindcoder> hehe
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[11:20] Action: netrunner wonders why smap doesn't work 
[11:24] <netrunner> smap <patch-id> gives me only the help :/
[11:32] <clifford> what's your <patch-id> ?
[11:40] <blindcoder> no space left on device /home
[11:40] <blindcoder> oops
[11:46] <netrunner> smap 2005092210544925234
[11:49] <clifford> works here.
[11:50] <netrunner> it only displays the help to me
[11:50] <clifford> so debug it.
[11:50] <clifford> i can reproduce the problem - so I can't debug it for you..
[11:51] <netrunner> the patch-id gets eaten somewhere.
[11:53] <netrunner> lol
[11:53] Action: netrunner cat'ed the sample entry with set to smap.cfg. the shell replaced the $@ with nothing.
[12:07] Action: netrunner notices that blindcoder has many packages with insufficient title and description (e.g. "nice game/nice game")
[12:09] <blindcoder> I do?
[12:09] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:09] <blindcoder> blah
[12:09] Action: blindcoder goes through his packages
[12:10] <blindcoder> oh, koules
[12:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: okay, that "many packages" have turned out to be exactly ONE :P
[12:18] <netrunner> blindcoder: there was another one whose name I do not remember that had only a one liner from which I couldn't see the nature of the game.
[12:18] <netrunner> blindcoder: I will tell you if I stumble over it again
[12:18] <blindcoder> okay
[12:18] <blindcoder> two still doesn't make many :P
[12:18] Action: netrunner is fascinated from typespeed. 4.7 CCPS in english
[12:19] <blindcoder> gfingerpoken?
[13:08] Action: netrunner curses gnome
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[15:18] Action: clifford just played his first game of gfpoken.
[15:19] <daja77> what's that
[15:20] <clifford> .. a nice game indeed.
[15:20] <clifford> gfingerpoken
[15:20] <daja77> :)
[15:21] <clifford> I think I started it already a few times but never took the time to read the manual.
[15:21] <clifford> And it's far away from beeing intuitive.
[15:21] <daja77> I was astonished at what level siemens is selling crap software to the university
[15:23] <clifford> what happened. di they sell you "the incredible machine" as physics simulation solution?
[15:23] <clifford> s/di/did/
[15:23] <daja77> they sold software for student registration over internet, so every user had to login with the username and password, but they *didn't* check the password so everybody got it with any username at random
[15:23] <clifford> *rotfl*
[15:24] <clifford> maybe you just missunderstood the security concept:
[15:24] <daja77> now this new service is offline and they are waiting for siemens to fix it
[15:24] <clifford> siemens will sue everybode who logs in without permissions.
[15:24] <daja77> haha yeah they introduced a tan bases system, but the tans can be predicted if you know the users name and matrikelnr
[15:25] <clifford> *lol*
[15:25] <daja77> one guy created the tan list for his brother ^^
[15:25] <clifford> like the crypto cyphers for the passport RFID chips.
[15:26] <daja77> this is so redicilous
[15:26] <daja77> I really want to know what the university paid for it
[15:27] <clifford> no, i really think it would be better for you to not know that.
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[15:28] <daja77> hehe you might be right
[15:29] <clifford> maybe its just the times, mabe it has been like that all the time and I'm just getting old now, i don't know. but I realize more and more: the best way to check if something is real is to check if it sucks. because that seams to be the most outstanding attribute of todays reality..
[15:30] <daja77> unfortunately this is no joke
[15:30] <daja77> but it sounds like invented
[15:31] <clifford> sure it is not a joke: it sucks, so it is most likely real. 
[15:31] <netrunner> hunger sucks. /me going to change this.
[15:31] <daja77> weltverbesserer :P
[15:32] <netrunner> no, only change mine :P
[15:32] <clifford> I can see it already: the world is falling apart and a few hackers who surrived it will just give a shrug and tell the other: "We told you all the time. Next time: LISTEN."
[15:32] <clifford> http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=275138&tmp=10638
[15:32] <clifford> .. stuff like that.
[15:34] <daja77> yeah a country where innocent people were shot by the police should set such standards ...
[15:34] <clifford> "no, I don't want to play your game anymore"
[15:34] <clifford> I'm now going to make my own country!
[15:34] <daja77> 4 years saving crap data
[15:34] <daja77> we could join that guy that proclaimed an oil platform as his own state
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[15:35] <daja77> financing it by running pr0n servers
[15:35] <clifford> .oO( With backjach and hookers )
[15:35] <daja77> definitely!
[15:35] <clifford> oil platforms are expencive and not really required.
[15:36] <netrunner> http://www.rp-online.de/public/article/nachrichten/journal/special/hurrikan-katrina/108103
[15:36] <netrunner> much fun running oil platforms :)
[15:36] <daja77> we could use hans island, where danmark and canada fight about it
[15:36] <clifford> no.
[15:37] <daja77> just living in cyberspace?
[15:37] <clifford> I had already some talks with meterologists about the topic.
[15:38] <clifford> near the aequator, in the west of africa.
[15:38] Action: daja77 is going to africa the first time in november
[15:38] <clifford> that's the place where you have open sea and almos no weather.
[15:39] <daja77> hehe
[15:39] <clifford> http://www.binonabiso.com/de/kotambola/  (btw)
[15:40] Action: daja77 trying to join the world summit for the information society in tunis this year
[15:40] <clifford> .. we could build a city of e.g. old oil tanks.
[15:40] <daja77> and blackjack ...
[15:40] <clifford> a lot of room, they are swiming, and we could built a platform on top of that.
[15:40] <daja77> we need internet there ^^
[15:41] <clifford> sure. we can't relocate to the open water without pr0n.  *g*
[15:41] <clifford> open sea, however
[15:41] <daja77> hehe
[15:42] <clifford> One square kilometer should be enough space for 50.000 people.
[15:42] <clifford> (this is the limit to be recogniced by the UNO as souverain country)
[15:43] <clifford> And I think the per-person price would be cheeper than flats in the city.
[15:43] <daja77> but where to get 50.000 you want to live together with
[15:43] <clifford> me?
[15:43] <clifford> ;-)
[15:43] <daja77> :D
[15:44] <clifford> well - I am thinking about that for a few weeks now.
[15:44] <daja77> clifford: btw I wrote a mail about dresden to the list, but used an address that isn't registered, could you perhaps approve it?
[15:44] <clifford> I even wrote down notes about improved election systems, better money systems, etc.
[15:45] <daja77> have you ever read the book utopia?
[15:45] Action: netrunner found a nice movie about the white nights of petersburg in the campus lan. unfortunately I won't be able to show it to family, it's pr0n :/
[15:45] <netrunner> maybe I can cut some scenes out :)
[15:45] <daja77> lol
[15:45] <clifford> daja77: no. not yet.
[15:46] <daja77> it is from 1516 about a fantasy state
[15:46] Action: clifford spent his time reading books about alternative money systems the last months.
[15:46] <daja77> hehe ic
[15:47] <clifford> (I really mean it, but I'm afraid I wouldn't get the fonding for the project)
[15:48] <daja77> i see we need a second bof at the c3 for this project ...
[15:56] <blindcoder> re
[16:05] <blindcoder> daja77: so still no official statement regardig dresden?
[16:08] <daja77> nope
[16:08] <daja77> blindcoder: you are working for siemens? *eg*
[16:09] <blindcoder> daja77: yes?
[16:10] <daja77> scroll back ;) and enjoy
[16:10] <blindcoder> daja77: though I'm not being paid by siemens :)
[16:10] <blindcoder> hmm, how far?
[16:10] <daja77> 15:23
[16:13] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[16:13] <blindcoder> sounds like siemens, all right
[16:14] <daja77> sounds like never buy software from that company
[16:14] Action: clifford hopes that he never needs to work for such companies..
[16:15] Action: daja77 too
[16:16] <blindcoder> *shrug* Siemens is not a company
[16:16] <blindcoder> Siemens is a "Behoerde"
[16:16] <blindcoder> I mean, no sane company has unwritten rules that money spent within(!) the company is a Bad Thing
[16:17] <blindcoder> ie: COM getting their PC Support from SBS is almost ridiculous to think about
[16:18] <blindcoder> good thing that I'm not directly hired at siemens
[16:20] <blindcoder> SBS - Siemens Bescheisst Siemens
[16:20] <blindcoder> gah, I should stop ranting
[16:20] <blindcoder> but after three days installing windows I feel more aggravated than usual
[16:21] <clifford> blindcoder: our irc logs are searchable with google, btw.  ;-)
[16:22] <daja77> *gg*
[16:22] <blindcoder> clifford: those are no secrets
[16:23] <blindcoder> they should be happy that I don't write about that in my blog
[16:23] <clifford> secrets - no.
[16:23] <blindcoder> I sure feel like it
[16:23] <clifford> but I don't work for them ..
[16:24] <blindcoder> and I'm not a cheese steak. your point?
[16:25] <daja77> blindcoder: not? damn it, nobody told me
[16:25] <blindcoder> daja77: but you _could_ bring some cheese steaks to LTDD :)
[16:26] <daja77> nah they will have enough steaks for everybody
[16:26] <blindcoder> HORAAY! \o/ Zoidb^Wblindy will have something to eat!
[16:26] <daja77> this debian machine with 650mb ram sucks >_<
[16:26] <daja77> zoidberg hehe
[16:28] <blindcoder> maybe I can get Livia to join us at LT
[16:31] <blindcoder> clifford: nice idea for updates
[16:31] <clifford> thanks. I just needed s.th. like that here..  ;-)
[16:32] <daja77> livia?
[16:32] <blindcoder> daja77: my gf
[16:32] <daja77> ah ok, sure
[16:32] <blindcoder> clifford: massive updates?
[16:32] <daja77> updates? what are you talking about
[16:32] <blindcoder> btw, anyone know what happened to the linux1394 project?
[16:34] <clifford> just openssh and zlib.
[16:34] <clifford> but calling Create-CkSumPatch twice was already one time to much.  ;-)
[16:34] <blindcoder> WHAT THE FUCK?
[16:35] <blindcoder> Whe the hell writes these installation manuals?
[16:35] <blindcoder> First: they assume four internal disks where ther are only two
[16:35] <blindcoder> Second: they use slices 3 and 4 which must stay clear for veritas
[16:35] <clifford> hyperthreading(tm) disks
[16:35] <clifford> *lol*
[16:36] <blindcoder> Three: they assume an automated installation which doesn't even exist yet!
[16:36] <blindcoder> AARRGGHH
[16:36] Action: blindcoder feels like whacking someone with a blessed +5 cluestick
[16:37] <blindcoder> I love my work
[16:37] <daja77> hehe
[16:39] <clifford> see it that way: ROCK Linux has almost no documentation - and you handled it to.
[16:40] <blindcoder> parser: failed to make sense from last line from user clifford.
[16:40] <cutio> yay, the 3rd samsung hd is going back to samsung tomorrow
[16:43] <clifford> blindcoder: well, you managed to handle an undocomented project. a poorly documented project can't be that hard then.
[16:43] Action: daja77 pokes fake 
[16:43] <blindcoder> clifford: heh, true :)
[16:43] <blindcoder> clifford: but I had esden as walking manpage back when I started with ROCK
[16:44] <daja77> hehe he can't do that job atm
[16:44] <clifford> aha. so ask esden now. it worked once - it might work again. ;-)
[16:44] <daja77> he will kill you ^^
[16:44] <cutio> clifford: the problem of undocumented projects is that the new-users don't know how to solve a distribution specific problem, not everyone likes irc or mailling lists (wants to wait)
[16:44] <clifford> I'm throwing pianos, what could he do against me?
[16:45] <clifford> cutio: I never said that lack of documention is good.
[16:45] <daja77> he could fight back by playing accordion
[16:46] <clifford> .. and with the docwiki we have a pretty good documentaion now.
[16:46] <daja77> yep
[16:46] <cutio> clifford: so why doesnt a thing change? just the usual no time/no manpower i suppose, no?
[16:46] <clifford> .. and with the docwiki we have a pretty good documentaion now.
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[16:47] <daja77> strange kind of bot ;)
[16:47] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[16:47] <blindcoder> almost fooled me there
[16:47] <blindcoder> anyway, the docwiki still has holes in it large enough to drive a truck through
[16:47] <blindcoder> but I simply don't understand most of them (crosscompiling for example)
[16:48] <daja77> crosscompling hurts ;)
[16:48] <blindcoder> okay, I'll write that into the wiki :)
[16:49] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/Documentation/BUILD-CROSS
[16:50] <blindcoder> hmm, oky
[16:50] <blindcoder> I'll put that into the docwiki
[16:50] <blindcoder> but not yet, since I have to leave for kendo in a few minutes
[16:51] <blindcoder> bye
[16:51] <clifford> but I think doog docu for stuff such as 'rocket' and 'stone' are more important right now.
[16:51] <clifford> bye
[16:53] <daja77> .oO (wasting time and memory is fun ... if there is enough of both)
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[17:02] <daja77> if he used his sword on the cable?
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[21:14] <blindcoder> re
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