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[00:51] <daja77> what version is in stable? [00:51] <th> tested with 1.0.6 [00:51] <th> might not be committed [00:52] <th> either it's a dependency or the .conf [00:52] <th> but the .conf is the same [00:52] <daja77> 1.0.7 is a scurity fix release should be no difference in the features [00:52] <th> daja77: do you have gmail account? [00:52] <daja77> no [00:52] <th> binary version of 1.0.6 works fine with gmail [00:52] <th> so does my firefox on macOS [00:53] <daja77> does our version send a different id string? [00:54] <th> i'll sniff on that [00:55] <th> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.6) Gecko/20050919 Firefox/1.0.6 [00:55] <th> sounds sane to me [00:56] <th> thats stable [00:56] <daja77> yes [00:57] <th> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 Firefox/1.0.6 [00:58] <th> that's binary [00:58] <th> rv [00:58] <th> that's different [00:59] <daja77> 1.7.10 is the mozilla version number ... [00:59] <th> it is [00:59] <th> so is there a build-time-correlation? [00:59] <th> does it depend on the mozilla version i had when building firefox? [01:00] <daja77> this would be really sick [01:01] <th> moz_implant_version() [01:01] <th> perhaps this one? [01:01] <th> # replace the 00... build-id with s.th. useful [01:01] <th> sed -i "s,0000000000,ROCK Linux - $rockver," xpfe/global/build.dtd.in [01:03] <daja77> sounds like this is not really needed but rene thought it is better [01:04] <daja77> you could invite me to test gmail ^^ [01:05] <th> what's your email-address? [01:05] <daja77> daja@rock... [01:05] <th> Invite sent to daja. [01:08] <daja77> I am in [01:10] <daja77> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.7) Gecko/20050921 Firefox/1.0.7 [01:10] <th> do you have a bar on the top like "For a better Google Mail experience, use a fully supported browser." [01:10] <th> ? [01:10] <daja77> oh now that you mention it [01:12] <th> yes or no? [01:12] <daja77> I can't believe that this version makes the difference, that makes no sense [01:12] <daja77> i git that bar [01:13] <th> but this seems to be the case [01:13] <th> this shows how small our userbase is... [01:13] <th> no one uses gmail ;) [01:14] <daja77> this only shows that their browser check is broken [01:14] <th> i bet it's our "implant version" [01:15] Action: daja77 too [01:15] <daja77> I could rebuild without it and test it tomorrow [01:16] <daja77> just doin it [01:16] <daja77> gn8 [01:16] <th> n8 [02:38] <th> so it's not the implant_version [04:13] clifford (n=clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:22] SteffenP (i=steffen@p5499318A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:24] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54996C46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:08] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@dslc-082-082-192-104.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[09:09] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [09:24] <daja77> th: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=8835&query=firefox&topic=0&type=f&ctx=en:search [09:29] <th> daja77: the rv:-version is created from $MOZILLA_VERSION somehow. and i think it should be set to ./config/milestone.txt [09:29] <th> but adding an export MOZILLA_VERSION="1.7.10" (generated from milestone.txt) does not help [09:33] <daja77> They know this since june and still haven't figured out ... strange thing is for google earth this browser works [09:33] <th> we somehow need to figure out how to set the correct rv-version [09:34] <daja77> yes [09:34] <daja77> my build failed btw [09:34] <th> mine did not [09:34] <th> i tested it with removing the implant [09:34] <th> no effect [09:34] <th> and it ested exporting MOZILLA_VERSION with no effect [09:34] <daja77> damn [09:35] <daja77> perhaps it is sth different than that string [09:35] <th> i really doubt that [09:36] <daja77> well let's see if the opera fake does work, or konquerors [09:37] <th> mMisc = NS_LITERAL_CSTRING("rv:" MOZILLA_VERSION); [09:37] <th> ./netwerk/protocol/http/src/nsHttpHandler.cpp [09:37] <th> ./build/unix/Makefile.in: -e "s|%MOZILLA_VERSION%|$(MOZ_APP_VERSION)|" \ [09:38] <th> hmm [09:39] <daja77> if it is only the string opera should work, but it doesn't [09:39] <th> ./configure:MOZILLA_VERSION=`$PERL $srcdir/config/milestone.pl -topsrcdir $srcdir` [09:39] <th> you sniffed http to get the opera string? [09:40] <daja77> I could try [09:41] <th> ./configure:#define MOZILLA_VERSION "$MOZILLA_VERSION" [09:41] <th> that seems totally sane to me [09:42] <th> that should make exporting this var in .mozconfig totally unnecessary [09:43] <th> cat >> confdefs.h <<EOF [09:43] <th> #define MOZILLA_VERSION "$MOZILLA_VERSION" [09:43] <th> EOF [09:43] <th> MOZ_APP_VERSION=$MOZILLA_VERSION [09:45] <th> do we yet have the contrary to "[ ] Always clean up src dirs (even on pkg fail)" ? [09:46] <daja77> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; U) Opera 7.54 [en] <- haha ok [09:47] <daja77> always cleanup is off as defualt [09:48] <th> the contrary would be "[ ] Always keep the src dirs (even on success)" [09:48] <th> ah [09:48] <th> perhaps configure is not used [09:49] <th> mozilla-config.h holds "#define MOZILLA_VERSION "1.0.6"" in our build [09:49] <th> (in our build only / not in vanilla src) [09:54] <daja77> interesting when I fake ie6 win with konqueror I get an error that I disabled cookies ^^ [09:54] <th> perhaps you did [09:55] <th> config.status:s%@MOZ_DEFINES@%-DMOZILLA_VERSION=\"1.0.6\" [09:56] <daja77> no I just enabled it [09:56] <daja77> oh so we need one more configure flag? [09:57] <th> it might be our $ver [09:58] <th> i try to unset t [09:59] <daja77> yes perhaps [11:28] <th> 4.8G -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4.8G Oct 1 10:19 /var/adm/logs/9-firefox.err [11:28] <th> what did i do? [11:29] <th> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at config//Moz/Milestone.pm line 57, <FILE> line 14. [11:29] <th> tons of this [11:29] <th> i did unset $ver [11:29] <th> which was rock's firefox version [11:29] <th> so i try to set it to milestone.txt-version [11:53] <th> that seems to be the trick [11:55] <daja77> nice :) [12:13] <daja77> could you send a patch if that works? [12:14] <th> if that build finished [12:14] <th> i just noticed the change in the responsible config header in the src [12:14] <th> how do i underline some a headline in subwiki? [12:15] <th> there is no link to syntax... [12:15] <daja77> so do you consider this as a firefox bug? [12:15] <th> blindcoder: help please [12:15] <daja77> think he is off for octoberfest [12:15] <th> if i understand it correctly firefox is still build from the overall mozilla src-project [12:16] <th> sort of a spin-off [12:16] <th> so defining the mozilla-version in something like milestone.txt makes senes [12:16] <th> totally [12:16] <th> but [12:17] <th> it's a bug that firefox build process respects $ver [12:17] <th> it should clean the environment before if it allows global environment to influence the build [12:17] <th> that's my 0.02 [12:19] <daja77> th: the syntax is:# Headline [12:19] <daja77> if you want to know the syntax just click on edit for a page that contains that style ;) [12:20] <daja77> guess the underlining is done automatically if there is a link preset [12:20] <th> # headline does not seem to work [12:20] <th> i get "# headline" as rendered output then [12:21] <SMP> try Headline or HeadLine -- Wikis LOVE studly caps ;-p [12:22] <daja77> the philosophy link is underlined [12:22] <th> daja77: yea - the rv-version is fixed now. [12:22] <daja77> and google mail works? [12:22] <th> yes it does [12:23] <daja77> cool [12:23] <daja77> send a patch ;) [12:23] <th> wil do [12:23] <th> daja77: the link is underlined cause it's a wikiword [12:23] <daja77> yes [12:24] <th> and headlines are introduced by putting a single or double '=' before and after the line [12:25] <daja77> ah [12:26] <th> https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/RockPhilosophy [12:27] <th> i want a clear statement about when we do patch a package and when not. [12:27] <daja77> ah ok i got you completely wrong, sry [12:27] <th> e.g. i dont like our patch to bash profile which makes fonts red when we are root [12:27] <th> i want the packages to be as the authors made them [12:27] <th> no adaptions [12:28] <daja77> th: that is only in stable [12:28] <th> only when necessary to fix a bug [12:28] <th> daja77: it's finally removed from trunk? [12:28] <daja77> and only in dektop rock iirc [12:28] <daja77> th: no trunk system I installed has this behaviour [12:29] <th> and i even dont like patching our web-browsers to have some rock-url as default homepage [12:29] <th> i want to be rock-solid-strict about this [12:29] <daja77> hm in the latest build it was not iirc [12:29] <th> i think it's still in trunk [12:29] <th> lemme look [12:29] <daja77> well for crystal i would do this [12:31] <th> hmmm [12:31] <th> well what is crystal again? [12:31] <th> a reference distro? [12:31] <daja77> no [12:31] <daja77> our default distro for end users [12:31] <th> so if you say it's necessary for a dsistribution to modify a webbrowser to point to the distributions home...\ [12:31] <th> then i agree [12:31] <th> but it should not point to the rock portal then [12:31] <th> but to some crystal homepage [12:32] <daja77> good point [12:32] <th> "our default distro" somehow implies that our mission is to provide plenty of distros [12:32] <th> which is not true [12:33] <th> i think our mission is the DBK - and crystal is our reference that it works [12:33] <th> sort of POC [12:33] <th> it's only targeted at end users to attract them [12:33] <th> to reach them [12:33] <th> to get more devs [12:34] <daja77> default distro means that we supply binaries for it [12:35] <th> no that's what "distro" alone means [12:36] <daja77> but we didn't so far ;) [12:36] <th> that doesn't matter ;-) [12:36] <daja77> :P [12:38] <th> you're right with the bash thing. that only applied to desktop target [12:39] <th> ROCK-dev/package/x11/mozilla/home-bookmarks.patch [12:39] <th> have a look [12:40] <th> another thing [12:40] <th> sshd [12:40] <th> enable_x11_fwd.patch [12:40] <daja77> erh you give access to your hd? ^^ [12:40] <th> ROCK-dev is my checkout of trunk [12:40] <th> it's HEAD [12:40] <th> you can look it up on your HD [12:41] <daja77> *sigh* [12:45] <daja77> do I get this right, that patch in teh mozilla package fixes the firefox build? [12:45] <th> which patch? [12:46] <daja77> ah ok you were talking about bookmarks, I thought of that id string patch [12:47] <th> no correlation between these two things :-) [12:47] <daja77> you are confusing me >_< [12:48] <th> i was discussion to completely different things at the same time [12:48] <th> sorry for this [12:49] <daja77> at least i got it now, a bit sleepy ... [12:53] <th> cleaning up the firefox patch.... [12:53] <th> interesting when i just unset ver... [12:53] <th> i get endless: [12:53] <th> Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at config//Moz/Milestone.pm line 57, <FILE> line 14. [12:54] <th> filling up until no space left on device [12:54] <th> so i really have to set the mozilla-milestone version in this ver var [12:54] <daja77> O_o [12:57] <th> that's sick. [12:57] <th> we can call it "hotfix" for now. [13:01] <daja77> :) [13:13] ruddur (i=ruddur@ruddur.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:14] <ruddur> hi anybody have a link to iso of rocklinux for sparc32 [13:18] <daja77> dunno if iso.rocklinux.de has one [13:19] <ruddur> thanks [13:26] <ruddur> nothing on iso.rocklinux.de [13:54] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:56] ruddur (i=ruddur@ruddur.net) left #rocklinux. [13:57] <owl> hi :( [13:57] <owl> might i have to kill my poor budgie :(((((((((( [14:02] <th> you always bitched about it anyways... [14:03] <th> did you? mixed i things up? [14:04] <th> or did you only bitch about your rodent... [14:06] <owl> nah. rodent with tumor (rodent already dead) [14:06] <owl> now my bird ... *puke* [14:18] <th> your hamster is dead? [14:19] <th> daja77: 2005100114182507617 [14:20] <owl> th: yeah, those two: https://gallery.karnaya.de/v/tiere/hamster/zarathustra/ <- hamster with tumor, https://gallery.karnaya.de/v/tiere/hamster/mephisto/ <- hamster with old age [14:25] <owl> i have to go now... bye [14:25] <th> cya [14:45] <th> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051001 Firefox/1.0.7 [14:45] <th> yes. [14:46] <th> that's how it should look like [14:50] <th> daja77: could you add a patch to your firefox update changing [S] to stable for firefox? [15:37] centrinia (n=exc@mp1-248-203.dialup.emory.edu) joined #rocklinux. [15:44] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-082-083-132-197.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:50] centrinia (n=exc@mp1-248-203.dialup.emory.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:53] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-082-083-133-111.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [16:26] BoS____ (n=bodo@dslc-082-082-071-071.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:39] BoS (n=bodo@dslc-082-082-246-199.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:52] <daja77> th: perhaps we should escalate this to google and firefox ... [18:05] <th> daja77: good idea - dont hesitate ;) [18:06] <daja77> ok [18:07] <th> i feel that blaming google is wrong. but they said they were searching for a solution... [18:08] <daja77> i donÄt want to blame, i want to explain that problem to them so they can easily fix it [18:08] <th> yes [18:08] <daja77> when my google compatible firefox is finished ;) [18:08] <th> i did not imply that you want to blame [18:09] <daja77> google could adjust their check, that would be the easiest way [18:19] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54996C46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [18:40] <th> daja77: yea - i agree [18:48] feistel (n=feistel@200.125.78.251) joined #rocklinux. [19:01] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54996C46.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:17] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54996C46.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [19:21] <feistel> is incremental streaming for DVD-R supported? I need burn a multi session DVD-R and k3b say: [19:21] <feistel> Your writer (XXX) does not support Incremental Streaming with DVD-R media. Multisession will not be possible. Continue anyway? [19:21] <daja77> that depends o n the backend you are using i guess [19:23] <daja77> mozilla/config/nsinstall: cannot create /opt/firefox [19:23] <daja77> /lib/firefox-1.0.7/firefox-bin: Text file busy [19:23] <daja77> wtf? [19:23] <daja77> perhaps because I am running it [19:27] feistel (n=feistel@200.125.78.251) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:47] <daja77> ok I sent a report to google, we'll see of they respond [20:23] <owl> 97 % people are insane. my biological mother is one person of this 97 %! [20:24] <cutio> i'm insane, too! [20:25] <owl> cutio: do you tell two people, who have bought about 2 or 3 weeks ago something eatable (total cost: 15 EUR) - that they won't get money, because it costs too much and there is still something available from MY birthday?! [20:26] <cutio> no idea, i normallya buy everything with my own money [20:27] <owl> yeah. you're not unemploeyed i guess and have less money than half of the poverty line [20:27] <cutio> i'm student;) [20:27] <cutio> dont even get bafoeg, brr [20:28] <owl> hmm. ok. well but normally your parents give you money for the fscking food, don't they? [20:29] <cutio> that isnt worth mentioning [20:29] <owl> ok O_O and how do you life, then? [20:29] <cutio> parttime jobs mostly [20:30] <owl> well. then you're not unemployed [20:30] <cutio> well uhh.. thats right [20:31] <owl> yeah. you see. [20:31] <cutio> but depending on parents always suck because you've to explain them what you're going to do with the money sometimes and that kinda sucks [20:31] <owl> and: my parents are "unterhaltspflichtig" -> means also to give me food! [20:31] <cutio> so i know your problem [20:32] <owl> well. and: they complain about that i have to buy "nahrungsergaenzungsmittel" because i have "vitaminmangel" - because i don't get fres/good food!!! [20:33] <owl> my mum also sells often "matschgurken" or "abgelaufene produkte" - cuz they're 5 cent cheap than other products!!! [20:34] <cutio> my grandpa acts similiar, hrhr. greedy weirdos [20:35] <owl> ack.:( [20:36] <cutio> do they also tell you the usual line: "you dont know how hard it is, to earn money!!" [20:36] <owl> my grandpa (my mum's father) is not acting as insane like my mum... and my grandpa is a bit "senil"........ [20:36] <owl> yeah. sometimes. but more often my mum. [20:38] <owl> i could kill her! [20:38] <cutio> what about getting a little job? [20:39] <owl> there is no job... and 400-euro-jobs you can forget, cuz then you're not "krankenversichert"...and part-time or full-time-jobs are n/a [20:41] <cutio> mm [20:42] <owl> hm? [20:42] <cutio> no idea then [20:43] <owl> yeah :( [20:43] <owl> killing my mum is imho a good possibillity [20:43] <cutio> well you could try working as aushilfe or something but you wont earn more vthan 100-200/month [20:43] <owl> nah, then iam not "krankenversichert" [20:43] <cutio> so what? [20:43] <owl> and i need this "krankenversicherung" [20:44] <cutio> why? [20:44] <owl> because i need often docs. even my therapy costs 66 EUR / session... and this weekly... [20:45] <cutio> then you probably have to bear with the situation [20:45] <owl> never [20:45] <cutio> afk dvd + girlfriend waiting [20:46] <owl> enjoy it. [21:26] SteffenP (n=steffen@fortuna.bingo-ev.de) joined #rocklinux. [23:57] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-14-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:57] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-14-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) left #rocklinux ("Leaving"). [00:00] --- Sun Oct 2 2005