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[09:35] <Pilot> hi
[10:16] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:42] <th> clifford: hi there
[10:42] <th> clifford: please contribute to http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/RockPhilosophy
[10:44] <th> clifford: i just copied some scratch from an very early oreilly article
[10:47] <blindcoder> th: I've added a link to TextFormatingRules above the textarea in .add and .edit
[10:49] <clifford> on 2005-05-02 on this channel:
[10:49] <clifford> [17:16] <clifford> SMP: Its using FileSystemEventHandler from System.IO. for recursively monitoring a directory tree. Is that API available with mono/linux ?
[10:49] <clifford> [17:18] <SMP> clifford: you mean System.IO.FileSystemWatcher -- yes, there are even two implementation ;-)
[10:49] <clifford> .. but they can't do effective recursive monitoring!!
[10:49] <clifford> *grml*
[10:50] <blindcoder> o_O
[10:50] <blindcoder> ?? context
[10:50] <blindcoder> rockbot: Sorry, I don't know about context.
[10:50] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/rocklinux.log.20050502.html
[10:50] <clifford> ;-)
[10:51] <blindcoder> you know, I'm on songle ISDN here...
[10:51] <blindcoder> single
[10:51] <clifford> so you can't download a 20k file?
[10:52] <clifford> ISDN isn't that slow..  ;-)
[10:52] <blindcoder> oh, I thought it was one of them colored logs
[10:52] <blindcoder> too much #nethack-offtopic recently
[10:54] <clifford> no. I have just added this html log because it looks like google doesn't like the ascii files..
[10:56] <th> blindcoder: yea cool - thanks
[10:56] <blindcoder> ah, I see
[10:56] <blindcoder> clifford: well, strange enough, most people come to rockdoc by searching for "debian" "debian network" or "grub grub grub grub"
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[11:06] <netrunner> moin
[11:07] <blindcoder> moin moin
[11:25] <clifford> hmm... http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/Documentation/Developers/POLICY is pretty outdated..
[11:54] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:54] <blindcoder> whenever I see my phone number I think I forgot something...
[11:55] <owl> hi
[11:55] <owl> haeh?
[11:55] <blindcoder> it ends in 404
[11:55] <blindcoder> moin owl :)
[11:59] <owl> lol :)
[11:59] <owl> hi blindy
[12:14] <blindcoder> /usr/src/rock-2.1-clifford/download/mirror/c/cpan_packages_20041221.txt.bz2
[12:14] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:14] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 2: /usr/src/rock-2.1-clifford/download/mirror/c/cpan_packages_20041221.txt.bz2: No such file or directory
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[12:43] <[raphael]> Hi clifford :)
[12:43] <blindcoder> moin [raphael] 
[12:43] <[raphael]> was the build you started a while ago successfull ?
[12:43] <blindcoder> I'm not clifford, but still :)
[12:43] <[raphael]> hi blindcoper :)
[12:44] <[raphael]> you have an up-to-date crystal build?
[12:44] <[raphael]> s/p/d  (sorry)
[12:44] <[raphael]> I'll be back in a second
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[12:51] <blindcoder> [raphael]: cliffords build should be finishged today
[12:55] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ah great, did it take so many days?
[13:01] <netrunner> ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 0804beb0
[13:01] <netrunner> anyone knows how to fight this?
[13:04] Action: netrunner *kick
[13:04] <netrunner> *s the makefile
[13:07] <clifford> hi, [raphael] 
[13:16] <[raphael]> hi clifford!
[13:16] <clifford> yes. the build finished but it had a showstopper bug in he installer.
[13:17] <[raphael]> oh, bad
[13:17] <clifford> do you want to use it and fiddle with the installer or wait until my current build finishes?
[13:17] <[raphael]> well, does a manual build with mine -i work?
[13:17] <clifford> yes.
[13:17] <[raphael]> I do not need the "graphical" one
[13:18] <clifford> even the "grafical" install works - but you need to change some stuff before running cron.run:
[13:18] <[raphael]> ok, that sounds ok to me, anything else wrong with it?
[13:18] <[raphael]> aha, so some kind of postinstall to do? What is exactly broken?
[13:18] <clifford> you need to remove /etc/postinstall/sysfiles-postinstall.sh
[13:19] <clifford> and you need to mkdir /var/adm/postinstall
[13:19] <[raphael]> alright, and do I need to run sth manually then?  (probably ldconfig, updatedb, ...)
[13:19] <clifford> (the /etc/postinstall/sysfiles-postinstall.sh is a copy of /usr/sbin/postinstall, so the postinstall script is sourcing itself in an endless loop...)
[13:20] <clifford> no. just remove the file and create the directory richt after the packages have been extracted.
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[13:20] <[raphael]> alright, how large is it? a full CD?
[13:21] <clifford> Its a 553M iso image.
[13:21] <[raphael]> did you already upload it somewhere? Otherwise I would even prefer postal delivery (Postgebühr zahlt Empfänger)
[13:22] <clifford> It's on my home computer - I tell you the URL in a query (so it's not in the IRC log).
[13:23] <[raphael]> ok, I can download it as well..
[13:24] <netrunner> hm, are there now any usable filesharing networks left?
[13:24] <clifford> I will upload another build which has a working installer, when it is finished.
[13:24] <[raphael]> How long do you think will that take?
[13:25] <clifford> current state:
[13:26] <clifford> 1526 builds total, 825 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[13:26] <clifford> then ~10 hours to download it to my workstation in the office and test it.
[13:27] <clifford> and the time to upload it to iso.rocklinux.de
[13:27] <[raphael]> so, do you think you have that before the weekend?
[13:27] <clifford> I think so.
[13:27] <[raphael]> I think that would be soon enough
[13:27] <clifford> but no guarantee that this one will be error-free.
[13:27] <[raphael]> heh ;)
[13:29] <[raphael]> how fast is your uplink clifford?
[13:29] <[raphael]> (for the currently broken iso?)
[13:31] <clifford> it took me ~10 hours to download it from my home pc to the office.
[13:32] <clifford> http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/
[13:32] <clifford> *rotfl*
[13:32] <[raphael]> clifford, alright, that's too long to do where I'm now, and at home I'm already a bit close to the dl limits, so I'll wait for the next version of your image
[13:32] <[raphael]> clifford: do you have any upload limit?
[13:32] <clifford> no.
[13:35] <[raphael]> does your new build only contain the postinstall fix or also other improvements?
[13:35] <[raphael]> (like new versions of pkgs,...)
[13:40] <[raphael]> clifford: I'll use the new build if it is also based on a newer svn version, if you just fixed the install-bug then I'll download your current iso
[13:45] <clifford> the new build will be based on a new svn rev.
[13:48] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/clifford/results/current/journal.txt
[13:48] <clifford> plus the postinstall fix (which is already in svn trunk) and a hotfix for the qt patch.
[13:54] <[raphael]> clifford: thanks, I'll wait for this newer build
[13:54] <[raphael]> great you keep that journal :)
[14:07] <[raphael]> bye all
[14:07] <clifford> cu
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[14:12] <clifford> http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200510/df20051003.jpg  *lol*
[14:12] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[14:16] <esden> bopp!
[14:16] <esden> blindcoder: who altered my iptables configuration!!!
[14:16] <blindcoder> esden: bad software did, I'm afraid
[14:16] <owl> hi esden 
[14:17] <blindcoder> esden: I was trying a traffic accounting tool which promptly took over the iptables configuration
[14:17] <esden> waahhh!
[14:17] <esden> ok
[14:18] <esden> so when you mess around with it ... and want to change something in iptables please think about that I need masquerading between ppp0 and eth0 ;)
[14:18] <esden> thank you ;)
[14:18] <blindcoder> can give me the command?
[14:19] <esden>  /usr/local/sbin/enable_masquerading2
[14:19] <blindcoder> sooo
[14:19] <blindcoder> $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE
[14:19] <blindcoder> because that script alos clears the itpables
[14:20] <esden> erm ... it also does some other things ... do not ask me which but they are also needed ... (security issues iirc)
[14:21] <esden> and sbtw the camera I showed you yesterday is real fun to shoot. /me went out today to take some pictures of the surroundings
[14:21] Action: esden brb
[14:22] <blindcoder> esden: I've added the four rules to the init.pm script
[14:26] <esden> ok my connection still works
[14:27] <esden> thanks
[14:27] <blindcoder> :)
[14:27] <blindcoder> I'll rewrite the program to create its own tables
[14:27] <esden> kk
[14:27] <esden> where can I view the stats?
[14:27] <blindcoder> I even had to scmash two bugs before I was usable :(
[14:27] <blindcoder> see query
[14:28] <esden> what crappy stuff are you using?
[14:28] <blindcoder> the best I could find
[14:28] <blindcoder> but at least I now have an exucse to roll my own :P
[14:29] <esden> humm the https apache is not running on
[14:29] <blindcoder> then make him :)
[14:29] <blindcoder> already fixed /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[14:29] <esden> I would have to alter the certificate for that ... or not?
[14:30] <blindcoder> the cert runs on the dns name
[14:30] <blindcoder> not the ip
[14:31] <esden> kk
[14:31] <esden> right
[14:34] <esden> ok I was wrong it works on
[14:34] <blindcoder> :P
[14:35] <owl> sigh. i belive my bird is dead. now. :(
[14:35] Action: blindcoder hugs ow
[14:35] <blindcoder> l
[14:35] <esden> huhu owl 
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[14:35] <owl> no. not yet. it still has "todeskraempfe"? but i dont see him breathing
[14:35] <owl> hi esden :/
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[14:35] <esden> ahh ... sbtw i have a photoblog now: http://www.esden.net/photoblog
[14:36] <esden> comments are appreciated as always ;)
[14:37] <owl> esden: might i link you, please?
[14:37] <esden> owl: where?
[14:37] <esden> and of course!
[14:38] <owl> esden: weblog.karnaya.de -> there
[14:38] <owl> thx. 
[14:38] <esden> ahh you have a weblog too
[14:38] <esden> nice
[14:39] Action: esden adding owls weblog to his bookmarks
[14:39] <owl> thx 
[14:39] <esden> may I link you on my page too?
[14:39] <owl> yes. sure. 
[14:41] <esden> nice entries
[14:41] Action: esden stunned
[14:42] <owl> why stunned?
[14:42] <esden> owl: the image on the left side of your blog can not be loaded somehow
[14:42] Action: owl doesnt see esden photo-log-entries clear because eyes full of tears
[14:43] <owl> esden: yes, i know. have to fix it asap. but have no though left for this now. but latter... 
[14:43] <esden> owl: autsch
[14:44] <owl> yes. but bird still alive - shomehow. 
[14:44] <esden> humm ... 
[14:44] <owl> for some minutes? :( 
[14:45] <esden> so take your time to say au revoire in the next life ...
[14:45] <owl> hrm. my dad "bohrt loecher in die wand" - with this "laerm" the bird came back or so O_O
[14:45] <owl> yes... 
[14:45] <owl> boah, i guess i have to puke
[14:46] Action: esden reaches over a bucket
[14:46] <owl> thx :/
[14:46] <esden> I think I go to take some more pictures
[14:46] <esden> cu l8er
[14:47] <owl> bye esden 
[15:04] <owl> esden: welblog/images are working again
[15:07] <netrunner> damn, I am about to be able to use nx under linux, and am called to lecture by a prof ;)
[15:08] <blindcoder> heh
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[15:09] <blindcoder> *sigh*
[15:10] <blindcoder> why does so much free software suck so much :(
[15:10] <blindcoder> ~
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[15:43] <esden> re hi
[15:43] <esden> 20 images made ... that should be enough for today ;)
[15:43] <blindcoder> heh
[15:43] <blindcoder> yeah
[15:44] <blindcoder> and I've started writing my own traffic accounting tool
[15:45] <blindcoder> esden: could you sketch me the layout for the leds we talked about yesterday?
[15:45] <owl> why the fsck does this fscking notebook roast me!?! 
[15:45] <esden> blindcoder: there are very good ones in the internet
[15:46] <blindcoder> tesla edition? *hide*
[15:46] <blindcoder> esden: free ones, too?
[15:46] <esden> blindcoder: I think so
[15:46] <aneredes> re
[15:46] <aneredes> hi
[15:46] <blindcoder> esden: then they hide from my view
[15:46] <esden> netcrow had something running on apollo in the past
[15:47] <esden> hi aneredes 
[15:47] <blindcoder> esden: something that can tell me which appliction run by which user made what traffic?
[15:47] <esden> humm ... no ... such one I do not know
[15:47] <blindcoder> :)
[15:47] <esden> only one that is telling you which port produced how much traffic
[15:48] <blindcoder> yeah, I have one like this. You knwo what it did to our itables
[15:48] <esden> humm ... most of such apps do so
[15:48] <blindcoder> but there's no reason to!
[15:48] <blindcoder> absolutely none!
[15:48] <esden> yes there is ... they use the iptables counters
[15:49] <esden> to get the traffic data
[15:49] <blindcoder> no!
[15:49] <esden> o_O?
[15:49] <blindcoder> you can define custom tables and work in these
[15:49] <blindcoder> even that eDonkey monitoring program donitor does it this way
[15:49] <esden> yes right that is the other thing
[15:49] <[raphael]> clifford: ping
[15:50] <blindcoder> esden: so there is no valid reason to flush the iptables rules
[15:51] <[raphael]> clifford: never mind, (will contact you later)
[15:51] <[raphael]> gotta leave now, bye all, thanks for all your work on ROCK !!
[15:51] <blindcoder> [raphael]: bye
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[15:54] <esden> blindcoder: ack
[16:06] <esden> ok ... pixelpost is now also integrated into my blog. yepeee
[16:12] <blindcoder> phew
[16:12] <blindcoder> reading source like netstat's makes your head spin
[16:13] <blindcoder> it's great, but to really get what they're doing is not easy
[16:13] <blindcoder> brb, coffee
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[16:29] <blindcoder> back
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[18:22] <demian> hi
[18:23] <mnemoc> wow
[18:23] <mnemoc> wb demian 
[18:24] <demian> mr. mnemoc
[18:24] <demian> how have u been?
[18:24] <mnemoc> quite good, and you?
[18:25] <demian> pretty good too. :D
[18:25] <mnemoc> good :)
[18:25] <demian> i have some time without taking a look @ rock. how are things going around? 
[18:26] <owl> hi demian 
[18:26] <demian> current versions?
[18:26] <demian> hi owl ! :)
[18:28] <mnemoc> 2.0.3 is the last stable, and crystal is the official 1-CD ROCK-based distribution
[19:17] <demian> cu later
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[19:37] <owl> nice. duracell-owl. this notebook-case has - with no high-load - over 1 volt energy/voltage... 
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[20:24] <fake> re hi
[20:24] <owl> hi fake 
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[21:07] <fake> hi owlita
[21:08] <owl> fake: do you need something to laugh about?
[21:08] <fake> bring it on
[21:09] <owl> fake: http://weblog.karnaya.de/index.php?op=ViewArticle&articleId=19&blogId=1 
[21:10] <fake> why did you blind out 'saturn' ?
[21:11] <owl> because those pack has lawyers... 
[21:11] <owl> (which often send "abmahungen" etc. to people with negative thoughts)
[21:13] <fake> owl: that's not true. they can't stop you, as long as you limit it to your case and your opinion.
[21:14] <fake> they can't gag you, you have the right to speak ;)
[21:17] <owl> fake: hrm. i dunno. don4t want to prove it ;)
[21:22] <esden> bopp
[21:22] <owl> hi esden 
[21:22] <esden> huhu
[21:22] <esden> my photoblog now has nice links ;)
[21:22] <esden> I love mod_rewrite
[21:24] <owl> *g*
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[22:21] <blindcoder> hi
[22:21] <blindcoder> anyone got a phone number of hannes?
[22:21] <owl> blindcoder: no. 
[22:22] <blindcoder> damn
[22:22] <blindcoder> he wantded to be there at 21:45
[22:22] <blindcoder> my flight was delayed, now I've been there at 22:10
[22:22] <blindcoder> and he was nowhere in sight
[22:23] <owl> blindcoder: hrm. he travvels by train?
[22:23] <blindcoder> not to mention that my gf is bitchy because I haven't called her since Saturday
[22:23] <blindcoder> ARGH
[22:23] <blindcoder> what a great day
[22:23] <blindcoder> yes, he does
[22:24] <owl> blindcoder: then don't mind. his train will be delayed till midnight
[22:25] <blindcoder> o_O
[22:25] <owl> hm?
[22:25] <blindcoder> why's that/
[22:25] <blindcoder> ?
[22:25] <owl> because it's normal bussiness at DB?
[22:26] <blindcoder> hrpmf
[22:26] <blindcoder> I thought something special
[22:26] <owl> no. or better: dunno
[22:27] <blindcoder> okay
[22:27] <owl> well... he will "sich ruehren"  i guess?
[22:28] <blindcoder> he said he'll get going at 20:45 in a query
[22:28] <owl> well. did he?
[22:29] <blindcoder> I think so or he wouldn't have said it
[22:30] <blindcoder> 20:42 <aneredes> uich mach dann jett bald mal richting spandau auf
[22:30] <owl> hrm. ok. 
[22:55] <blindcoder> daja77: *hug*
[22:56] <owl> blindcoder: still no hannes?
[22:56] <blindcoder> he's here now
[22:56] <owl> hehe, where he was? delayed DB? ;P greetings to him, please
[22:56] <blindcoder> got on the wrong train
[22:57] <owl> hehe
[22:57] <owl> where did he arrive?
[23:06] <blindcoder> wrong way simlpy
[23:06] <blindcoder> anyway, bedtime
[23:06] <blindcoder> bye
[23:06] <daja77> blindcoder: ?
[23:09] <owl> gn8 blindcoder 
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