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[08:16] <blindcoder> daja77: ehm... according to the Sent folder... no :(
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[08:27] <[raphael]> hi *
[08:28] <[raphael]> clifford: what's the build-status?
[08:28] <blindcoder> moin [raphael] 
[08:28] <[raphael]> moin blindcoder 
[08:52] <clifford> its finished so far. I will do some remaining fixes the next hours (updated packages which won't build, etc)
[08:52] <clifford> .. ist some kde stuff. so I need to wait for the package rebuilds to finish. ;-)
[08:56] <[raphael]> oh :)
[08:57] <blindcoder> clifford: any idea how to do this in perl: foreach my $a (@b) { print $@$a[2]; }
[08:57] <blindcoder> @b contains several \@c
[08:58] <blindcoder> nevermind
[08:58] <blindcoder> using the correct variables fixes the problem
[08:59] Action: blindcoder stands in a dark corner with a pointy hat on his head
[09:08] <netrunner> clifford: I tested cluster build on crystal. worked fine.
[09:08] <[raphael]> Is there any rocklinux meeting any time soon?
[09:08] <netrunner> clifford: only at complained it could not find a mailer as it was scheduled before exim (which I chose as default mta)
[09:09] <blindcoder> [raphael]: a few people will be at the Linux Info Day in Dresden at 29.10.2005
[09:09] <[raphael]> blindcoder: how far north is Dresden?
[09:10] <blindcoder> near chemnitz :)
[09:10] <blindcoder> [raphael]: where are you located at?
[09:11] <[raphael]> Austria, coming into Germany through Passau
[09:13] <blindcoder> passau-dresden are around 4,5 hours
[09:13] <clifford> [raphael]: there will be a meeting at CCC.
[09:13] <blindcoder> 463 km 
[09:13] <[raphael]> clifford: where is CCC (was that in Berlin??)
[09:13] <blindcoder> well, I'm not sure if I will attend CCC this year :(
[09:13] <[raphael]> blindcoder: 9 hours of train travel
[09:14] <clifford> yep.
[09:14] <blindcoder> not since I heard the latest rumors about pricing
[09:14] <clifford> see: http://www.ccc.de/congress/
[09:15] <blindcoder> word has it to be >70 EUR this year
[09:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: *shocking*
[09:16] <blindcoder> netrunner: it's been 40 last year
[09:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: I know
[09:21] <blindcoder> although I welcome the all-no-smoking thing :)
[09:24] <netrunner> blindcoder: where do you get such info? the website is still only cfp as I see it
[09:27] <blindcoder> netrunner: I know someone from the NOC team
[09:43] <[raphael]> I looked through the CCC homepage a little bit... and given the date of the meeting I even might be there... (since I intended to be in Germany at the beginning of January anyway)
[09:50] <blindcoder> that would be great :)
[10:18] <clifford> daja77: Major improvements in the vim syntax file, you should update it on your side.
[10:23] <blindcoder> clifford: you might try to get it into vim directly
[10:23] <blindcoder> clifford: IIRC they even added the ROCK Linux .desc syntax file :)
[10:41] <clifford> whom do I contact about this?
[10:42] <owl> hi :/
[10:46] <blindcoder> I'd try vim@vim.org or vim-dev@vim.org
[10:46] <blindcoder> moin owl
[10:56] <daja77> blindcoder: will you send the mail or should I do it?
[10:59] <owl> hi blindy
[11:03] <blindcoder> daja77: already done it
[11:03] <daja77> ah ok :)
[11:03] <daja77> i just wanted to be sure
[11:06] <blindcoder> daja77: think the description was ok?
[11:06] <daja77> yes
[11:07] <blindcoder> *phew*
[11:07] <daja77> ;)
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[12:12] <Pilot> hi all
[12:14] <blindcoder> moin Pilot 
[12:24] <netrunner> privet pilot
[12:25] <owl> hi Pilot 
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[13:15] <blindcoder> you know what sucks?
[13:15] <blindcoder> Now that I've finished the challenging part of this software I get bored to write the other 80%
[13:17] <Pilot> :-/
[13:23] Action: netrunner ssh'ing to blindcoders bugs and nasty quirking pointers in the code.
[13:23] <netrunner> s/bugs/box/(
[13:23] <netrunner> blindcoder: have fun :)
[13:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: leave my perl poniters alone!
[13:32] <blindcoder> it took me four days to write this :(
[14:01] <clifford> daja77: ping!
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[15:22] <blindcoder> YAY
[15:22] <blindcoder> we got the talk at LIT DD :)
[15:26] <cutio> when
[15:27] <blindcoder> don't have the time yet
[15:28] <blindcoder> tomorrow the program will be online
[15:34] <cutio> ill be there, too
[15:37] <blindcoder> YAY!
[15:38] <clifford> hmmm....
[15:38] <clifford> debug "Some ASCII Codes: A = #A, B = #B, C = #C, D = #D" =~ e/#(.)/Rg ord($1);
[15:38] <clifford> .. compiles to 57 SPL assember instructions and results in a 253 bytes binary
[15:38] <blindcoder> o_O
[15:39] Action: clifford is not sure if this is too much or ok.
[15:39] <blindcoder> sounds an awful few to me 
[15:39] <blindcoder> try doing the same in C with pcre :)
[15:40] <clifford> would be interesting to know how much it would be in perl.
[15:40] <clifford> (well, you can't do it in perl in one instruction sequence, but this is another story ;-)
[15:41] <blindcoder> well, IIRC esden failed to do even a hello world in perl using the perl compilers at the time
[15:42] <clifford> yes. storing perl bytecode is horribly broken in perl 5. you need parrot + perl6 for that.
[15:42] <clifford> but still perl has a internal bytecode representation.
[15:56] Action: clifford now writing a static expressions optimizer.
[15:56] <clifford> this would make a difference for scriptlet above, but it is cool to have something like that.  ;-)
[16:09] <[raphael]> clifford: iso ready for download yet (eta?)
[16:10] Action: [raphael] feels a bit funny of literally craving for a fresh ROCK installation these days
[16:14] <clifford> [raphael]: well, du you need qt and kde?
[16:14] <[raphael]> clifford: heh, yes, that would be good
[16:14] <clifford> then no.
[16:14] <[raphael]> clifford: If I get an eta for tomorrow morning that would still be fine
[16:14] <clifford> I have unresolved shared files conflicts in kdelibs and kdebase.
[16:15] <[raphael]> duh... that's bad
[16:15] <clifford> So the build system doesn't produce binary packages for them.
[16:15] <[raphael]> did you do a KDE update since the last build?
[16:15] <clifford> I can still offer the ISO from the last build.
[16:15] <[raphael]> do the KDE versions differ?
[16:16] <clifford> no, but some changes to the qt package
[16:16] <[raphael]> no... there was no KDE update in your journal
[16:16] <[raphael]> clifford: incompatible changes regarding an update later-on?
[16:17] <clifford> the patch is [2005092002472714923]
[16:17] <clifford> now I have shared files conflicts on etc/opt/qt33/qt_plugins_3.3rc
[16:17] <[raphael]> oh.... the link to submaster?
[16:17] <[raphael]> ah.. got it
[16:18] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005092002472714923
[16:18] <clifford> damit. to late. ;-)
[16:18] <[raphael]> heh
[16:18] <[raphael]> clifford: I also assume that this patch creates the conflict?
[16:19] <clifford> ?
[16:19] <[raphael]> since there were no other KDE related changes since your last build
[16:19] <[raphael]> the etc/opt/qt33/qt_plugins_3.3rc conflict
[16:19] <clifford> yes.
[16:22] <[raphael]> clifford: well, as far as I can see the changes are that more system libraries are used, not that many other changes, right?
[16:23] <clifford> yes.
[16:23] <[raphael]> ok, give me the link to your previous build
[16:24] <[raphael]> clifford: I'll download that for now, I guess I'll do my own custom builds later on anyway, so it doesn't matter that much, but I want to start from a fairly recent version
[16:24] <clifford> sent link in query
[16:24] <clifford> I have "rocket upgrade" on my todo for next week.
[16:25] <clifford> So updating to the new build should be easy then.
[16:25] <[raphael]> thx, that's your private machine right, with 10 hours of estimated upload time?
[16:25] <[raphael]> ok, great!!
[16:25] <clifford> yup.
[16:26] <th> clifford: why dont you let me upload this one to iso.rocklinux.de?
[16:27] <clifford> because that's the one with the broken installer.
[16:27] <[raphael]> th: well, it would at least need a note regarding the installer
[16:27] <th> ahh i see
[16:27] <[raphael]> the problem is also if it spreads (without the install instructions) that wouldn't be too nice
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[16:28] <[raphael]> bye all!
[16:29] <clifford> bye!
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[18:02] <blindcoder> re
[18:16] <netrunner> bock
[18:18] <blindcoder> whatever
[18:51] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/pipermail/spl/2005-October/000086.html
[18:51] <clifford> *yippijaje!*
[18:52] <blindcoder> nice :)
[18:53] <clifford> yep. i dont think that anyone would expect more from a scripting language compiler.
[18:53] <esden> hi ho
[18:53] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[18:54] <blindcoder> clifford: oh, don't you underestimate what I can expect :D
[18:54] <clifford> ;-)
[18:54] <blindcoder> strangely, reality regularly fails to meet my expectations
[18:55] <clifford> afk for a few minutes -> smoking.  *diehabichmirjetztaberverdient*
[18:55] <blindcoder> now, I guess I should continue writing the "Useful Traffic Accounter"
[18:58] <esden> humm humm
[18:58] <blindcoder> esden: you miss a </a> is your blog :P
[19:08] <esden> ups
[19:08] <esden> corrected
[19:10] <blindcoder> :)
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[21:18] <daja77> clifford: pong
[21:24] <[raphael]> clifford: what were the two steps after installation with the broken installer?
[21:24] <blindcoder> [raphael]: rm /etc/postinstall/postinstall-sysfiles.sh
[21:24] <blindcoder> or whatever it was called
[21:24] <blindcoder> and mkdir /var/adm/postinstall
[21:25] <[raphael]> blindcoder: thanks a lot!!
[21:25] <blindcoder> you're welcome
[21:27] <Brian_L> which Installer is broken? im new to rock linux and am about to begin building. 
[21:28] <blindcoder> Brian_L: there's a bug in the way ROCK handles postinstall files for packages
[21:28] <blindcoder> Brian_L: it's been fixed in SVN already
[21:28] <blindcoder> the installer is fine, but some packages were broken
[21:28] <Brian_L> Thanks
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[21:32] <[raphael]> good night!
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[23:05] <daja77> clifford: yes I had that qt kdelibs conflict too
[23:06] <daja77> oh there is a fix
[23:07] <Brian_L> Is it possible to use distcc during the build process?
[23:07] <daja77> no
[23:08] <Brian_L> thanks
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