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[07:31] <blindcoder> moin
[08:07] <cutio> olla
[08:08] <blindcoder> /usr/include/features.h:295:25: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory
[08:08] <blindcoder> should that worry me?
[08:09] <blindcoder> indeed it should
[08:10] <cutio> brr i just found an old hd with an even older rocklinux on it and the first thing was: bad superblock *sigh*
[08:13] <blindcoder> heh
[08:13] <blindcoder> those old things are better left buried *amen*
[08:14] <cutio> well its an 40gb maxtor with heaqdcrash some month ago but miraculously works again
[08:16] <blindcoder> o_O
[08:16] <blindcoder> I wish my headcrashes would just miraculously work again...
[08:18] <cutio> try voodoo
[08:24] <blindcoder> my last voodoo3 card is also bust
[08:25] <cutio> i only had a voodoo banshee =(
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[08:45] <[raphael]> clifford: I just burned the image to cd this morning, but couldn't boot it: "Disk Error" while loading vmlinuz, my md5sum of the iso image is: c4289e1ab779a815b239219efeffe96c  ... is this correct?
[10:26] <clifford> [raphael]: yes, that's the same md5sum
[10:26] <clifford> but the error message more looks like an I/O error. maybe the cdrom or the cd is broken?
[10:26] <[raphael]> uhm... duh, yes, might be
[10:26] <clifford> btw, you are lucky that you can reach me.
[10:27] <[raphael]> clifford: I guess it to be the CD then, the drive works with other cds
[10:27] <[raphael]> good luck then :)
[10:27] <[raphael]> clifford: are you not available today?
[10:27] <clifford> I'm just in the office because I forgott my AC/DC adapter for my laptop here.
[10:27] <blindcoder> heh
[10:27] <[raphael]> oh... yeah, no ac/dc adapter is too bad for the weekend
[10:28] <[raphael]> clifford: well, thanks for confirming the md5 sum, I'll burn the cd again (when I get home - in probably 8 hours)
[10:28] <blindcoder> clifford: why not just connect the dynamo of a bicycle to your laptop ;)
[10:30] <clifford> http://www.lrlug.org/
[10:30] <clifford> .. what is that?!?!?!
[10:31] <daja77> hi clifford 
[10:31] <blindcoder> what the...
[10:31] <clifford> hi daja77 
[10:32] <blindcoder> clifford: we have our own LUG! HOORAY! \o/
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[10:36] <blindcoder> although I think that I've heard "little rock" earlier
[10:37] <daja77> clifford: you pinged me?
[10:37] <clifford> that was long time ago..  ;-)
[10:38] <daja77> yes :)
[10:38] <clifford> how long are you going to be online now?
[10:38] Action: clifford is further improving the SPL optimizer..
[10:38] <daja77> max. 20min
[10:40] Action: daja77 is going to meet a nuclear physicist @ dresden today
[10:40] <blindcoder> I guess I should get the Rock presentation done this weekend
[10:40] <blindcoder> or I'll never do it
[10:40] <blindcoder> daja77: we got the slot for sure, btw..
[10:40] <blindcoder> don'n know if you got the mail, too
[10:41] <clifford> daja77: I just wanted to know if the KDE shared files conflict is the same you did talk about some days ago and if you found out something about it.
[10:43] <daja77> yes it was the qt33_pluginrc thing, i haven't looked into it, because I needed the build to be finished to install my laptop ...
[10:43] <clifford> ok. thanks anyways.
[10:44] <clifford> did you read my SPL update mail and the other one about the optimizer yesterday?
[10:45] <daja77> yes :)
[10:45] <daja77> does it also means the scripts run faster?
[10:45] <clifford> depends on the scripts.  ;-)
[10:45] <daja77> *gg*
[10:46] <clifford> if you do something like "myvar[1][2][3][4]++;" in an inner loop - yes.
[10:46] <blindcoder> btw, loop-aes will vanish from ROCK maybe as soon as next week :D
[10:47] <clifford> but most scripts spend most of their time in the c libraries they are based on. ;-)
[10:47] <daja77> who does that? ^^
[10:47] <daja77> blindcoder: why?
[10:47] <clifford> just an example. most of the constructs optimized by the new optimizer are static array indices.
[10:48] <blindcoder> daja77: because it's really only used in lvp which I switch to dmcrypt
[10:48] <blindcoder> daja77: and after that I have no more interest in maintaining loop-aes
[10:48] <clifford> instead on 1+3*n (where n is the dimension of the data structure) operations its just one operation afterwards.
[10:48] <daja77> clifford: reminds me of some fortran optimizations I read about
[10:59] <blindcoder> clifford: I'm heavily borrowing from your last slides. Hope you don't mind :)
[11:05] <clifford> blindcoder: no problem.
[11:07] <daja77> so three of us will be there
[11:08] <blindcoder> you, cutio and me?
[11:08] <blindcoder> hannes wants to be there, too
[11:08] <daja77> 4
[11:09] <daja77> ^^
[11:09] <blindcoder> I'll probably already arrive friday evening and stay until sunday evening
[11:09] <daja77> where do you stay?
[11:10] <blindcoder> hannes will stay with a friend and I'll invite mysely there :)
[11:11] <blindcoder> hehe, paniq is great music to work to :)
[11:11] <daja77> ah ok, so you could see the weihe of the frauenkirche on sunday :P
[11:13] <blindcoder> sounds interesting, even though I'm not into religious stuff
[11:13] <blindcoder> will there be food?
[11:13] <daja77> me neither
[11:13] <daja77> no idera
[11:13] <blindcoder> well, go get some intelligence on it! :)
[11:13] <daja77> #have you seen my dresden pics?
[11:14] <blindcoder> no
[11:16] <daja77> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/dresden-2005-08-26/
[11:16] <blindcoder> *clickety*
[11:16] <blindcoder> a oachkatzal!
[11:17] <daja77> *gg*
[11:17] <daja77> 2 of them but you can't see that on the pics
[11:18] <[raphael]> daja77: what software are you using for the picture gallery?
[11:19] <daja77> iimage a shell script ^^
[11:19] <[raphael]> oh, great, so it generates a html page out of a directory with pictures? or how does it work?
[11:20] <blindcoder> http://shellscripts.org/project/gallery
[11:20] <daja77> incl. creating thumbnails an d stuff
[11:20] <blindcoder> *whistles*
[11:21] <blindcoder> not that one, but another one in bash and imagemagick :)
[11:22] <[raphael]> oh, what a great project owner ;)
[11:23] <blindcoder> well, as of now all projects on shellscripts.org are mine *shrug*
[11:23] <[raphael]> copyright 2005 - 2107, oh what fun 
[11:23] <blindcoder> :)
[11:23] <daja77> 70 years after his death ...
[11:24] <[raphael]> hehe
[11:24] <blindcoder> I could also do 2005 - `date +%Y`
[11:24] <blindcoder> but that wastes precious PIDs :)
[11:28] <daja77> <- off now
[11:28] <[raphael]> bye daja77 
[11:30] <[raphael]> blindcoder: does it work in other shells as well (or even sh)?
[11:32] <blindcoder> [raphael]: `date +%Y`?
[11:34] <[raphael]> blindcoder: heh, no, the gallery
[11:35] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:35] <blindcoder> good question
[11:35] <blindcoder> in other shells, hardly
[11:35] <blindcoder> perl code doesn't run with python, too
[11:36] <blindcoder> no, it won't
[11:36] <blindcoder> it makes use of some bash-exclusive stuff
[11:37] <[raphael]> ok, thx
[11:40] <blindcoder> but that should matter only if you don't have bash installed, which is quite uncommon
[11:41] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I just checked my server, bash is installed
[11:41] <[raphael]> (but I don't usually don't use it)
[11:43] <blindcoder> that's another story :)
[11:44] <[raphael]> blindcoder: the other problem is that I have a very low upload limit / month, so I hardly can put pictures up on the server (it's my computer at home). But still I'm thinking of an image gallery at some time
[11:44] <blindcoder> [raphael]: I have images > 1MB here which thumbnails are only 60 kB in size
[11:45] <blindcoder> the downscaled 640x480 images which are displayed by default when you click on a thumbnail is around 177kB then
[11:45] <owl> moin
[11:45] <[raphael]> ah... that's good, so you don't get the full picture right away
[11:46] <[raphael]> saves a lot of bandwidth..
[11:46] <[raphael]> moin owl
[11:47] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[11:47] <owl> hi [raphael] , blindcoder 
[11:47] <blindcoder> [raphael]: you can still get it, but not by default
[11:47] <blindcoder> [raphael]: try http://scavenger.homeip.net/bilder/ for an example
[11:48] <blindcoder> running on my DSL line :)
[11:49] <[raphael]> yeah, nice
[11:49] <[raphael]> blindcoder: what upload speed do you have?
[11:49] <blindcoder> 384 kBit/sec
[11:50] <[raphael]> I have 128 kbit/s, but I think that would still be ok
[11:50] <[raphael]> your's is pretty fast
[11:53] <blindcoder> Could get more up/down but I don't need it, really
[11:53] <owl> "angeber"
[11:53] <esden> moin
[11:54] <owl> hi esden 
[11:54] <esden> moin owl
[11:55] <owl> breakfast ;)
[11:57] <esden> blindcoder: where is the rss feed for your blog?
[11:58] <blindcoder> esden: /rss.php
[11:58] <blindcoder> esden: firefox should display a rss icon in the lower left
[11:58] <esden> ahere it is
[11:59] <blindcoder> ehm
[11:59] <esden> maan ... I am blind
[11:59] <blindcoder> lower right
[11:59] <esden> *grr*
[11:59] <esden> sorry
[11:59] <blindcoder> :)
[11:59] <esden> I was on the wrong site
[11:59] <esden> at first ;)
[11:59] <blindcoder> o_O
[11:59] <blindcoder> whatever :)
[11:59] <blindcoder> I'm drafting ane ntry, but I need to get the ROCK presentation done first
[12:00] <esden> o_O?
[12:01] <blindcoder> esden: I'll hold a ROCK presentation at Linux Info Tage Dresdes
[12:01] <blindcoder> Dresden
[12:07] <esden> blindcoder: the link to your blog on your main site (http://www.crash-override.net) is missing a 't' at the end of the url ;)
[12:07] <esden> ok ... then have fun in dresden ;)
[12:09] <blindcoder> oops
[12:10] <blindcoder> will be fixed in 49 minutes
[12:10] <esden> woohaaaa .... 
[12:11] <blindcoder> that's when the typo3 pages will be wget'ed into static html pages again :)
[12:11] <esden> I thing I killed your blog system :) http://blog.crash-override.net/index.php?id=18 <- look at my comment ;)
[12:11] <blindcoder> o_O
[12:12] <esden> I wrote <a href="http://www.esden.net">Piotr Esden-Tempski</a> as my name ;)
[12:12] <blindcoder> as usual you forgot the </a>
[12:12] <esden> because there is no field where I can add my site name
[12:12] <esden> nooo ... not really
[12:13] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:13] <blindcoder> oh
[12:13] <blindcoder> the name field is limited to 50 characters in the DB but not in the html form
[12:13] <esden> ROFL!!!
[12:13] <esden> I love good software!!!
[12:14] <blindcoder> yeah
[12:14] <blindcoder> me, too
[12:14] <blindcoder> I just have to find one yet :)
[12:14] <esden> tex <- that is good software
[12:15] <blindcoder> fixed
[12:15] <blindcoder> both in the DB (increased to 100 chars) and added a maxlength=100 attribute
[12:15] <esden> good
[12:16] <esden> one thing that also is missing is that when you add a comment with new lines you do not need to add <br /> at the end of every line to have breaks
[12:16] <SMP_> size-limited fields in a database are so '80s ...
[12:17] <blindcoder> SMP_: I'm from '81, so it's fine :)
[12:17] <esden> it should be passed through that strange new line to break function of php
[12:17] <blindcoder> true
[12:17] <blindcoder> nl2br
[12:18] <esden> may be ... dunno
[12:18] Nick change: SMP_ -> SMP
[12:18] <blindcoder> done
[12:19] <blindcoder> design decisions... hmm... I started coding and this is the result :)
[12:19] <esden> SMP: when I see current web software then flat files is the current state of the art ;)
[12:19] Action: blindcoder looks at shellscripts.org and its backend
[12:19] Action: blindcoder nods heavily
[12:20] Action: esden sees blindcoder's head popp of his neck and roll across the room
[12:20] <esden> you must not nod so heavily
[12:20] Action: blindcoder puts his head back on his shoulders
[12:20] <blindcoder> sorry >_<
[12:23] <blindcoder> WAH, someone keeps drinking my coffee!
[12:23] <blindcoder> I've got myself 4 cups now and everytime I want to take a sip the cup is empty!
[12:24] <blindcoder> ARGH, who scheduled blindcoder/libgli _after_ blindcoder/lvp
[12:50] <blindcoder> 30 pages
[12:50] <blindcoder> should be enough
[12:51] <blindcoder> still lacking a layout :(
[13:02] <blindcoder> okay, time to cook these mussels
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[14:16] <blindcoder> re
[14:19] Action: esden waiting for his pizza
[14:20] <blindcoder> these mussels were yummy ^^
[14:21] <blindcoder> although I don't know where this guy has his "Pfefferoni" and "Chilis" from
[14:21] <blindcoder> I used less than a third the amount he suggested
[14:21] <blindcoder> and I _still_ couldn't say if it was hot (temperature) or hot (spicy)
[14:26] <esden> hehe ... probably they were lying around a long time ... the ones the guy used
[14:26] <esden> they loose their spice with time
[14:27] <esden> PIZZA!!!
[14:29] <blindcoder> hehe
[14:29] <blindcoder> well, my chilis are a year old now, dried
[14:29] <blindcoder> and they are still hot enough to burn holes into anything but glass
[14:29] <blindcoder> just as this hungarian pepperoni
[14:29] <blindcoder> three years old
[14:30] <blindcoder> I extracted the seeds from it and planted them. that's where I got my current pepperonis from
[14:30] <blindcoder> out of curiosity I tasted a tiny bit of that three year old thing
[14:30] <blindcoder> needless to say, I needed a LOT of water until my eyes stopped watering
[14:33] <esden> rofl
[14:33] <esden> well done blindy ;)
[14:33] <esden> one should try such things in meal not separate
[14:34] <blindcoder> so true >_<
[14:34] <clifford> so. the SPL optimizer is finished.
[14:34] <clifford> .. for now ..  ;-)
[14:35] <clifford> http://svn.clifford.at/spl/trunk/examples/example57.spl
[14:35] <clifford> .. this is entirely optimized away to a 4-bytes program.
[14:41] <blindcoder> nice :)
[14:58] <owl> re. 
[15:00] <blindcoder> wb owl
[15:01] <clifford> did anyone record my radio show (nerds on air) yesterday?
[15:01] <owl> thx :)
[15:02] <clifford> the cronjob failed. and so I have no record of it..
[15:07] <blindcoder> no, but I can ask on the local LUG since it went over the mailing list there
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[15:26] Action: esden iTunes: Daft Punk - Television Rules the Nation @ 128kbps [Time: 0.16//4:47]
[15:29] <blindcoder> heh
[15:30] Action: esden iTunes: Daft Punk - Television Rules the Nation @ 128kbps [Time: 0.16//4:47]
[15:31] <clifford> I will get the MP3 within the next days from the radio station archive.
[15:31] <clifford> *phew*
[15:39] <esden> oha ... earthquakes?
[15:39] <esden> good to know
[15:39] <esden> I love rss
[15:40] <blindcoder> clifford: :)
[15:41] <owl> hi esden 
[15:41] <blindcoder> esden: earthquake? where?
[15:41] <blindcoder> should I seek shelter?
[15:45] <esden> no not in europe ;)
[15:46] <blindcoder> pff
[15:46] <blindcoder> why should I care then :)
[15:48] <esden> dunno
[15:49] <blindcoder> unable to open initial console
[15:50] <blindcoder> argh!
[15:50] <esden> http://www.micom.net/oops/HeloTowJob.wmv
[15:50] <blindcoder> argh *bangs head on table
[15:50] <blindcoder> I read that as blowjob >_<
[15:51] <blindcoder> ouch 
[15:53] <blindcoder> 10 xbox-360 prototypes stolen
[15:53] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[15:53] <mnemoc> to much pr0n
[15:54] <blindcoder> mnemoc: or lack thereof
[15:54] <mnemoc> *G*
[16:06] <clifford> me doesn't like C++.
[16:06] Action: clifford doesn't like C++.
[16:06] <clifford> oops. ;-)
[16:07] <blindcoder> what have you messed up now? :)
[16:07] <clifford> nothing. I'm trying to fix qt.
[16:09] <clifford> argwl!
[16:09] <clifford> the most important member of the class QSettings is called 'd'.
[16:09] <clifford> try to grep for that!
[16:10] <mnemoc> that's not C++ fault :)
[16:10] <esden> that is not C++ fault
[16:10] <mnemoc> *g*
[16:10] <esden> *GG*
[16:11] <clifford> no. but I C it would eighter be passed as parameter - then I would know the type - or be a global variable - then noone would name it 'd'.
[16:11] <clifford> but now I can manually search the whole class derivation path for this crappy thing!
[16:11] <esden> clifford: never say something like "noone" you will always find some idiot that will do it
[16:12] <clifford> yes.
[16:12] <clifford> but the good thing about global vairables is: you just need to find anyother idiot the the problem will solve itself.
[16:12] <esden> noone calls non method local variables d or x ... or anything close to that ... but still you found someone that did it
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[17:06] <[raphael]> clifford: it's indeed the DVD drive that is screwed up, the CD is fine!
[17:07] <[raphael]> I never thought that a Toshiba device would break down
[17:08] <[raphael]> but... the kernel is screwed up, too
[17:08] <blindcoder> given enough thrust even pigs can fly :)
[17:08] <[raphael]> booting on another computer works, but the kernel gets a nice panic
[17:09] <clifford> aha. it didn't do that here.
[17:09] <clifford> what is the panic message?
[17:09] <[raphael]> clifford: well, it starts somewhere at "Ooops: 0000 [#1]"
[17:09] <[raphael]> PREEMPT
[17:10] <clifford> what cpu is that?
[17:10] <[raphael]> clifford: it might be the hardware, it's really old
[17:10] <blindcoder> YAY!
[17:10] <[raphael]> and AMD K6-II with 500 MHz
[17:10] <blindcoder> LVP 0.5 is finished :D
[17:10] <[raphael]> ASUS P5A-B
[17:11] <blindcoder> sweet, I have one of those lying around
[17:11] <blindcoder> I throw it across the room regularly :)
[17:11] <[raphael]> blindcoder: heh, they are sometimes useful for something
[17:11] <[raphael]> clifford: it panics right after hdd detection
[17:12] <[raphael]> (which is a Samsung with 40 GB)
[17:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: the whole case is quite "zusammengeflickt"
[17:12] <clifford> hmm.. the build is unoptimized. so it shouldn't be an overoptimization bug.
[17:12] <clifford> other linux kernels boot fine on the device?
[17:13] <[raphael]> clifford: well, it had a rock linux on it one or two years ago, that worked
[17:13] <[raphael]> it didn't have linux for a while, so ... I don't even know if it ever ran a 2.6 kernel
[17:13] <clifford> have you been using 2.6.something linux kernels on the machine before installin rock now?
[17:13] <clifford> ok.
[17:13] <[raphael]> clifford: by the way: IT DOES NOT MATTER
[17:14] <[raphael]> since that's not the machine I want to setup ;)
[17:14] <clifford> ok.ok.ok.  ;-)
[17:14] <[raphael]> but the DVD drive works there, hehe
[17:14] <[raphael]> uhm... screwed up
[17:15] <clifford> looks like you are having a hard time until you get far enought to see the error which is expected with that ISO image.  ;-)
[17:15] <[raphael]> hehe, indeed ;)
[17:15] <[raphael]> clifford: but... back in the old days when I started to use ROCK Linux that really made me know the system and learn a lot
[17:15] <[raphael]> so... I'm used to that
[17:16] <clifford> thats good.
[17:16] <[raphael]> (the system += linux in general)
[17:16] <clifford> may I ask you a Qt question?
[17:16] <[raphael]> clifford: go ahead
[17:16] <clifford> is there any api to create a class tree directly from the *.ui files?
[17:17] <clifford> (like libglade can do with the glade .xml files)
[17:17] Action: [raphael] has a second linux on the machine raphael wants to set up and will use this one to mine -i -R the other partition
[17:17] <[raphael]> clifford: what do you exactly mean by a class tree (I don't know glade well enough)
[17:18] <clifford> s/class/object/
[17:18] <[raphael]> ah, ok
[17:18] <[raphael]> AFAIK ... no
[17:18] Action: clifford is doing to much SPL. in SPL classes and object are the same thing.
[17:18] <[raphael]> I see :)
[17:18] <clifford> hmm.. that is bad.
[17:19] <clifford> do you know any other c/c++ widget toolkit which can do that?
[17:19] <[raphael]> well, the thing is, you would need to "compile" the thing and dynamically load it into your app before you can instantiate it
[17:19] <[raphael]> which... is even possible
[17:20] <clifford> I had a look at libglade+gtk but gtk/glib is too ugly imo.
[17:20] <[raphael]> but that's definitely not as easy to do as in ... say... Java or SPL
[17:20] <[raphael]> clifford: there might be existing solutions to that
[17:20] <clifford> no. i don't want to hackthat on my own but would like to use an existing API.
[17:20] <[raphael]> since, practically you only need to compile it into a .so and dlopen it
[17:21] <clifford> well - that would be easy. but it is to hackish.
[17:21] <[raphael]> although... you need some kind of factory as well, since you can't directly instantiate unknown classes
[17:21] <[raphael]> clifford: it is
[17:22] <[raphael]> if I come across sth I'll let you know
[17:23] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005100817223724925
[17:23] <[raphael]> clifford: what do you exactly need?
[17:23] <clifford> I am looking for gui bindings for SPL.
[17:23] <[raphael]> I guess it's not about the .ui file itself, is it?
[17:24] <clifford> And for that I need something which doesn't use a codegenerator.
[17:24] <[raphael]> I see
[17:25] <clifford> libglade looked pretty good on the first glimpse
[17:26] <[raphael]> clifford: I think KDE has something...
[17:26] <[raphael]> I'm checking that right now
[17:26] <clifford> but the wanna-be glib objects are pretty ugly and gtk doesn't free it's memory, which is imo just broken.
[17:26] <clifford> thanks.
[17:30] <[raphael]> clifford: why do you need to compile your own .ui files just for the bindings? Do you want to provide complex widgets out of the box?
[17:36] <clifford> I want the SPL programmer to be able to use the qtdesigner to create their dialogs, etc.
[17:38] <[raphael]> clifford: if I get fascinated enough, I might even write a small piece of software that does exactly this
[17:39] <clifford> doesn't have kde a little VB clone?
[17:39] Action: clifford doesn't remember the name of the package.
[17:39] <[raphael]> clifford: there is lot's of stuff, I think there wasen even some VB like announcement on the dot or sth like that
[17:42] <clifford> oh! the packages.db is 7.0 MB big. that's why rocket update is so slow..
[17:42] <[raphael]> http://dot.kde.org/970242383/
[17:42] <[raphael]> clifford: oh... sorry, that is about 5 years old, hehe ;)
[17:43] <blindcoder> kbasic.de looks weird in 1400x1050 :)
[17:43] Action: [raphael] continues to install ROCK
[17:45] <[raphael]> oh... the project still exists, hehe
[17:45] <[raphael]> maybe its useful, ... 
[17:47] <[raphael]> clifford: are there any conflicting packages on the image, or can I just mine -i *  ??
[17:47] <[raphael]> like, are linux24-headers and linux26-headers conflicting?
[17:48] <clifford> it is save to simply install avarything.
[17:49] <[raphael]> yeh, thx, just checked with mine -l to see the file list
[17:50] <[raphael]> suse should include "mine" by default, makes it easier to install all your wonderful packages
[17:57] <clifford> "kregexpeditor" ... this is pervert! does anyone really use this thing?
[17:57] <blindcoder> what is it?
[17:58] <blindcoder> something like txt2regex?
[17:59] <blindcoder> sweet
[18:01] <SMP> clifford: gambas
[18:02] <blindcoder> bah, it can't even parse the regex I use for parsing iptables -vnxL output :P
[18:04] <blindcoder> okay it, it just can't handle perls .*?
[18:05] <clifford> SMP: thx!
[18:08] <clifford> [raphael]: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/smoke/index.html .. can you tell me anything about that?
[18:08] <[raphael]> clifford: I know it exists, but never used it... I can take a quick look (will get back to you in a while)
[18:09] <clifford> great.
[18:15] <clifford> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebindings/qtruby/README?rev=419273&view=markup
[18:15] <clifford> .. they can load .ui files!
[18:18] <esden> waaaaaaahhh how cool finally safari knows what the middle button has to do! namely opening a link in a new tab! 
[18:18] <[raphael]> clifford: I actually want to get into qtruby
[18:18] <clifford> http://doc.trolltech.com/4.0/qformbuilder.html
[18:18] <clifford> here we go.
[18:18] <[raphael]> oh, nice... damn, I'm lacking behind technology
[18:19] <[raphael]> (we haven't ported the g system to qt 4 yet, so that's why I don't know much about it)
[18:19] <clifford> (QWidgetFactory in Qt3)
[18:19] <[raphael]> oh, yeah, I'm really lacking behind technology
[18:19] <clifford> http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qwidgetfactory.html
[18:19] <clifford> so - how is this smoke thing?
[18:19] <[raphael]> but thanks for pointing that out to me
[18:21] <blindcoder> esden: sweet :D
[18:21] <th> clifford: yea and i tested that already... crafted a small ui in designer and loaded it in qtruby...
[18:23] <clifford> cool. I want to do that with qtspl soon.  *g*
[18:24] <[raphael]> clifford: I honestly don't know much about smoke either, but from the little introduction on developer.kde.org it sounds really usable for your purpose
[18:24] <th> i forgot what smoke was... what was it?
[18:24] <clifford> which introduction? I'm trying to get a clue from reading the heard file right now..
[18:25] <clifford> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebindings/smoke/smoke.h?rev=416098&view=markup
[18:25] <clifford> ;-)
[18:25] <th> btw - does qtruby finally work on win32/
[18:26] <clifford> [raphael]: where is that introduction? or do you mean the wtwo paragraphs thing that refers to the subversion repository?
[18:27] <[raphael]> clifford: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/smoke/index.html
[18:28] <clifford> ok. so there is no real introduction to how to use the lib.
[18:29] <[raphael]> clifford: right... uh, the iso has NO lilo on it, that hurts
[18:29] <[raphael]> (for some reason grub doesn't work on that machine)
[18:32] <clifford> ok. i'm going home now.
[18:33] <clifford> I'll have a look at this SMOKE library when I am back from hamburg (linuxkongress)
[18:34] <[raphael]> clifford: enjoy
[18:34] <blindcoder> HOORAY! I'm single again!
[18:38] <clifford> [raphael]: well, I still don't have my slides ready.
[18:39] <[raphael]> clifford: oh, I know that situation ;)
[18:39] <clifford> And I spent most of my time today with improving the optimizer of the SPL compiler:
[18:39] <[raphael]> clifford: do you remember that day in Vienna, where we met? I finished my slides THERE
[18:39] <clifford> http://svn.clifford.at/spl/trunk/examples/example57.spl
[18:39] <clifford> yes. but you can't compare that with linuxkongress.
[18:40] <[raphael]> hah, there you go, SuSE is able to build packages in a chroot environment
[18:40] <[raphael]> (chrooted into a rock installation)
[18:41] <clifford> bye.
[18:43] <[raphael]> clifford: bye
[19:02] <[raphael]> setting up a rock from suse is really a bad idea
[21:22] <esden> cool ... darpa grand chellenge running
[21:22] <esden> that is exciting!
[21:22] <blindcoder> hehe
[21:22] <blindcoder> that driverless car racing?
[21:22] <esden> blindcoder: ahh you are back?
[21:23] <esden> yes the robot racing
[21:23] <blindcoder> I've never been gone
[21:23] Action: esden is all sweaty because of excitement
[21:23] <blindcoder> o_O
[21:23] <blindcoder> where do you watch it?{
[21:23] <esden> blindcoder: I thought you wanted to drink something?
[21:24] <esden> http://www.grandchallenge.org/ <- there is a map with the current possitions of the cars
[21:24] <esden> very up to date blog: http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/10/08/darpagrandchallenge2005/
[21:24] <blindcoder> you _do_ know how much booze I have at home?
[21:24] <esden> ooook ...
[21:24] <esden> no comment
[21:24] <esden> I have no booze >_<
[21:25] <esden> hehe ... stanford passed highlander 
[21:25] <esden> they had to pouse stanford several times so that it does not drive in the back of highlander
[21:25] <blindcoder> wow
[21:25] <blindcoder> heh
[21:25] <blindcoder> sweet
[21:26] <esden> the comments on slashdot are also usefull .. to get some information about the teams and what happened last year
[21:27] <blindcoder> I don't really follow it, to be honest
[21:36] <blindcoder> looks like they'll make it this year, no?
[21:40] <esden> waahhhh amazing, bottlepass still ahead
[21:40] <esden> blindcoder: who knows if they will manage to pass the bottlepass ... it is the most chellenging obstacle
[21:40] <esden> the organisators say that their human drivers dislike driving through there
[21:41] <blindcoder> eww
[21:41] <blindcoder> well, I dislike driving through tunnels, too :P
[21:41] <esden> a little mistake and you fall 100feet down a canyon wall
[21:41] <blindcoder> ouch
[21:41] <blindcoder> sounds like when I was in "kroatien"
[21:42] <esden> ack
[21:42] <blindcoder> a street about 1.5 times as broad (if at all!) as one lane on the autobahn
[21:42] <blindcoder> and my seat ibiza AND a huge tourist bus had to drive there in opposite direction
[21:42] <blindcoder> right: 90 degree upwarcd: SOLID ROCK
[21:42] <blindcoder> left: 90 degree downward: nothing...
[21:44] <esden> more and more vehicles are being disabled
[21:44] <esden> blindcoder: you really had fun there ;)
[21:44] <blindcoder> well, the top three are still there
[21:44] <esden> yes
[21:44] <blindcoder> where's this bottlesomethingorother?
[21:44] <blindcoder> K?
[21:45] <esden> but the two behind them got disabled
[21:45] <esden> the fastest does not mean here the best ;)
[21:45] <blindcoder> true
[21:45] <esden> marked on the card with 'K'
[21:45] <blindcoder> BEER BOTTLE PASS!
[21:45] <blindcoder> CHEERS!
[21:46] <esden> cheers ;)
[21:46] <esden> I also want a beer!
[21:46] <esden> >_<
[21:46] <blindcoder> come here
[21:46] <blindcoder> I've got enough for a few people
[21:46] <esden> haha
[21:46] <esden> scotty?...
[21:46] <blindcoder> no, no scotch I'm afraid
[21:46] <esden> *sigh*
[21:47] Action: esden ate a pizza and still hungry >_<
[21:47] <esden> that sux
[21:47] <blindcoder> I'm still satiated from the mussles today
[21:47] <blindcoder> well, and the two garlic breads
[21:48] <esden> humm ... ok ...
[21:48] <esden> I think about putting another pizza into the oven ...
[21:48] <esden> but I take my time for that
[21:48] <blindcoder> I don't even have pizza here
[21:49] <owl> *eating chips*
[21:49] <esden> ahh right I have chips!
[21:49] <owl> *g*
[21:49] <esden> thanks owl
[21:50] <owl> de nada
[21:51] <esden> "Axion Racing is disabled, the bot is in the dirt spinning its wheels." <- chains would be nice here ;)
[21:51] <blindcoder> true
[21:51] <blindcoder> axion is which one?
[21:52] <blindcoder> ah, that one
[21:52] <esden> it was the 5th one
[21:52] <blindcoder> too bad, 65+ miles
[21:52] <esden> yes they came far
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[22:03] <blindcoder> Hey, Mint! You call this a road?
[22:03] <blindcoder> I didn't say it was a road. I said it was a route!
[22:10] <esden> I really ask myself how it will be when all trucks on german highways are controlled by computers and not humans
[22:10] <blindcoder> scary
[22:11] <blindcoder> you know, I just don't trust computers :P
[22:21] <blindcoder> yay, stanley is almost there, no?
[22:23] <blindcoder> damn, I'm too drunk to type my passwordhs :(
[22:29] <esden> hehe 
[22:29] <esden> stanlay is in the pass now
[22:30] <esden> he seems to advance without problems
[22:30] <blindcoder> nice
[22:36] <esden> he is through the pass ... stanlay did it ;)
[22:36] <esden> humm .. I found Kinderbons here
[22:36] <esden> they taste old ...
[22:36] <th> Teenbons then.
[22:37] <esden> hehe
[22:38] <owl> lol :)
[22:39] <esden> humm ... /me eating teens ... YUMMY
[22:39] <blindcoder> smells like teen spirit
[22:40] <esden> ohh ... right I have it here somewhere
[22:40] <esden> let's see
[22:40] <esden> at least the song .. not the deodorant
[22:41] <blindcoder> hehe
[22:41] <esden> dadadadada
[22:43] <esden> they should cast coverage of the race in tv
[22:43] <esden> it is much better then most sports you see in tv
[22:43] <blindcoder> hehe
[22:43] <esden> like F1 or soccer
[22:45] <esden> H1ghlander is also at the end of the pass
[22:45] <esden> amazing!
[22:45] <blindcoder> esden: seems like stanley will make it first :)
[22:46] <esden> nothing can stop him now!
[22:46] <esden> or nearly nothing ;)
[22:46] <blindcoder> HERE I AM!
[22:46] <blindcoder> ROCK YOU LIKE A HURRICANE!~
[22:46] <blindcoder> I wonder if that song is played on US radio these days
[22:47] <esden> hehe ... dunno ... I do not hear US radio ;)
[22:47] <blindcoder> well, they didn't play it's raining men after they lost their twin towers
[22:47] <blindcoder> and here in germany they didn't play "die perfekte welle" after the tsunami last christmas
[22:51] <esden> weeehooo he is home!
[22:51] <blindcoder> YAY
[22:51] <esden> that rules!!!
[22:51] <esden> amazing!
[22:51] <blindcoder> HOORAY FOR BOOBIES!
[22:51] <blindcoder> ehm STANLEY!
[22:51] <esden> erm .... hello zoidberg ;)
[22:52] <blindcoder> ;)
[22:52] <esden> since when have you overtaken blindcoder's body?
[22:53] <blindcoder> since I learned that he eats regularly
[22:53] <blindcoder> I just had some problems with these strange finger things he has instead of high quality crab claws
[22:53] <blindcoder> but that was easily fixed with the aid of a high quality knife
[22:54] <blindcoder> which I - as a doctor - always carry around with me
[22:54] <blindcoder> see this coat? It makes me a doctor!
[22:56] <esden> hehe
[22:56] <esden> well done zoidberg ... you see I pay you attention ;)
[22:58] <esden> rape meeeee rape meeeeeee my friiiend .... rape meeeee rape meeeee agaiiiiiiin
[22:58] <esden> *sing*
[22:59] Action: blindcoder rapes esden 
[23:04] <owl> .oO( those guys are on drugs )
[23:04] <blindcoder> well, I know _I_ am
[23:04] <blindcoder> ethanol _is_ a drug after all
[23:05] <owl> *g*
[23:05] <blindcoder> anyway, bedtime
[23:05] <blindcoder> good night
[23:06] <owl> gn8 blindcoder 
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