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[08:33] <[raphael]> clifford: is WebSPL a sufficient replacement for Java Applets?
[08:35] Action: [raphael] is going to read some spl documentation...
[08:46] <blindcoder> moin
[08:46] <[raphael]> hi blindcoder 
[08:46] <blindcoder> plain text is a sufficient replacement for java applets :P
[08:46] <blindcoder> but that's just personal preference :)
[08:46] <blindcoder> [raphael]: btw, clifford said he'll be away until monday
[08:46] <[raphael]> blindcoder: well, yes (I don't even have a java applet right now, but want to avoid it if possible)
[08:46] <[raphael]> oh... thx for telling me
[08:47] <[raphael]> I basically need some kind of application running in a web-browser
[08:48] <blindcoder> http://fukami.vakuum.net/archives/2005/10/11/und-tschuess/
[08:48] <blindcoder> I don't know whether to laugh or cry
[08:48] <blindcoder> [raphael]: why that? what do you want to do?
[08:52] <[raphael]> I want to have a web-based (zero-installation) client for the G System
[08:52] <[raphael]> blindcoder: http://www.g-system.at
[08:54] <blindcoder> *click*
[08:55] <blindcoder> sounds a lot like a MMORPG engine
[08:55] <blindcoder> but I guess you hear this a lot :)
[08:57] <[raphael]> blindcoder: indeed, I hear that often
[08:57] <[raphael]> it is one possible aspect of it
[09:04] <esden> morning
[09:07] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[09:11] <[raphael]> blindcoder: wie sieht es jetzt mit ccc aus?
[09:12] <blindcoder> [raphael]: read the link above? fukami.vakuum.net?
[09:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ja, hab ich
[09:12] <blindcoder> [raphael]: looks like they are a bit stressed at the moment
[09:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: aber geht das jetzt weiter oder nicht?
[09:12] <blindcoder> Well, I really _want_ to go there
[09:12] <blindcoder> I think so, just a few people who throw in the towel
[09:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: oder weiß man das noch nicht, und der Kongress diesen Dezember?
[09:13] <[raphael]> blindcoder: oh, sorry, I switched to German, didn't intend to do that
[09:13] <blindcoder> oh? *rereads*
[09:13] <blindcoder> you really did...
[09:14] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I didn't notice either ;)
[09:14] <[raphael]> it's really funny, sometimes if I read an English text I don't even notice that it IS in English
[09:15] <blindcoder> yeah, same here
[09:15] <blindcoder> I once replied to a SMS of my girlfriend in english without noticing
[09:17] <blindcoder> okay, done changing my MySQL root passwords
[09:17] Action: blindcoder stands in a dark corner with a dunce cap
[09:32] <[raphael]> blindcoder: do you know SPL?
[09:33] <[raphael]> (or anyone else?)
[09:33] <blindcoder> [raphael]: daja77 knows a fair bit about it
[09:34] <[raphael]> hmm, and he's +a
[10:10] <owl> hi :(
[10:11] <blindcoder> moin owl
[10:21] <blindcoder> th: 2005101210202216195
[10:21] <blindcoder> th: the old one had a small flaw
[10:21] <blindcoder> th: the /dev/discs/ entry was totally fubar
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[11:50] <netrunner> could it be that scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete is broken?
[11:50] <daja77> never tried it for some months
[11:52] <netrunner> oh, stupid thing. it updates when source cksum changes.
[11:52] <netrunner> oh, and I have to supply -root 
[11:54] <netrunner> for UpdList. Create-ErrList doesn't work in build/ at all :(
[12:02] <netrunner> how am I supposed to rebuild updated packages in my build/ ?
[12:03] <daja77> you could try to mine -r them in the chroot, but in my experience rebuilding in a build is somehow broken
[12:03] <netrunner> daja77: I think this is a vital functionallity :) how else would I be able to offer updated packages for rocket?
[12:09] <daja77> I dunno, but I got pretty messed up builds in the past when I did that
[12:22] <blindcoder> so don't do that :P
[12:53] Action: netrunner adding svg to firefox
[13:50] Action: netrunner hates the killing of 'liggering' build processes. it kills also innocent processes.
[13:51] <blindcoder> how so?
[13:52] <netrunner> well, if I have one build-target -job 9-firefox and another build-target -job 9-linux26 and one finished the other is killed.
[13:54] <netrunner> maybe I should switch to cluster build and just remove the .log's for the packages I want to have built.
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[14:32] <kasal> BTW: 'liggering' is a typo: the correct English word is 'lingering'.
[14:33] <kasal> I have a patch in my tree, I will use it as my test that I'm able to use sm.
[14:33] <kasal> But I don't know whether I'll get to it this year.  :-(
[14:34] Action: kasal cannot speak english, but kasal is able to use dictionary.referrence.com.
[14:34] <daja77> is it too complicated or what?
[14:34] Action: netrunner thinks if something is killed then maybe the parent process or so. but this looks like a killall scripts/* or so :)
[14:36] <kasal> daja77: Don't know.  Haven't tried yet.  Putting it off day by day.... :-(
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[15:23] <daja77> kasal: it is quite easy, really
[15:32] <blindcoder> anyone with a powerful AMD machine here?
[15:33] <daja77> hm 3000+ if that is ok for you
[15:33] <blindcoder> sure :
[15:33] <blindcoder> )
[15:34] <blindcoder> daja77: I want to bring a set of ROCK DVDs to LIT DD
[15:34] <blindcoder> with crystal builds for several CPUs
[15:34] <blindcoder> and I only have an Intel CPU
[15:34] <daja77> crystal core or complete?
[15:35] <blindcoder> sans network install :)
[15:35] <daja77> core only then
[15:36] <blindcoder> can you do the builds for a few AMD systems?
[15:36] <blindcoder> then I'll take care of the intel ones
[15:37] <daja77> a few? what do you mean
[15:38] <blindcoder> Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon MP
[15:39] <daja77> is there a big difference?
[15:40] <blindcoder> no idea *shrug*
[15:41] <daja77> next thing is if an xp can do mp optimization, we'll see
[15:43] <netrunner> daja77: we can compare xp and mp instruction sets if you want.
[15:43] <daja77> we?
[15:44] <netrunner> daja77: if you take xp, I assume you have one :)
[15:44] <netrunner> mp flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[15:45] <daja77> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
[15:45] <blindcoder> heh
[15:45] <daja77> no difference
[15:45] <blindcoder> Athlon MP has the mp set
[15:45] <blindcoder> where XP hasn't
[15:46] <blindcoder> < netrunner> ... syscall mp mmxext ...
[15:46] <daja77> so this would bne a crossbuild ...
[15:46] <daja77> ah ok
[15:46] <blindcoder> < daja77> flags: ... syscall mmxext ...
[15:46] <daja77> yeah saw this now
[15:47] <blindcoder> should we use the current trunk? or hope that clifford will do an apply storm in time? (he's gone until monday)
[15:47] <daja77> yes trunk
[15:48] <blindcoder> okay
[15:48] <blindcoder> can you call the config something like "litdd-<cpu>" so that there won't be any name collisions and send me the stuff when you're done?
[15:48] <blindcoder> I can give you an ftp or ssh account then on my machine
[15:49] <daja77> ok will start soon, need some new downloads I guess
[15:49] <blindcoder> thanks :)
[15:51] Action: netrunner does not think you need the mp for building.
[15:52] Action: netrunner cursing on firefox and giving up on svg
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[16:17] <blindcoder> *sigh*
[16:18] <blindcoder> I want to attend 22C3 less and less
[16:18] <blindcoder> first they throw a public temper tantrum because of the rumors
[16:18] <blindcoder> then when you ask for facts you get the reply: that's nothing the public is allowed to meddle with
[16:19] <daja77> and they kicked out fnord
[16:19] <daja77> blindcoder: there is one reason, the rock bof ;)
[16:19] <blindcoder> daja77: well... I'm not particularly keen on driving from IN to B and back just because of the rock bof, really
[16:20] <daja77> oh ok thought you are in berlin anyway
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[16:20] <blindcoder> "Orga Wiki und Planungsystem ist für den internen Gebrauch und nicht für die Öffentlichkeit bestimmt. Ich wüsste auch ehrlich gesagt nicht, wass das clubfremde und nicht an der Planug beteiligte angeht."
[16:20] <blindcoder> well, then don't fscking complain about rumors spreading!
[16:22] <blindcoder> well, I'll be in IN for christmas
[16:22] <blindcoder> and back in IN for new year's
[16:23] <daja77> well of course the wiki is for internal use, just like our database, but still they should talk to the public, it is not that far away 
[16:23] <blindcoder> yeah
[16:23] <blindcoder> "Das Public Wiki wird aber demnächst eröffnet."
[16:24] <blindcoder> Whenever "soon" will be
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[17:04] <daja77> blindcoder: athlonxp build started
[19:33] <esden> puiiiiuuuuuhhhh ... finally at home
[19:34] <esden> I feel as if someone did whack my brain out of my skull
[19:34] <esden> damn that was a long day
[19:34] <cutio> skull?
[19:35] <cutio> o_o
[19:36] <esden> head ... ok that is the better word ;)
[19:36] <cutio> probably, yeah heh
[19:38] <esden> you see ... I am pretty finished with this world ;)
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[20:39] <owl> re
[20:39] <owl> lol. poor esden 
[20:39] <owl> esden: btw, sharp fotos will come soon, i guess ;)
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[21:51] <blindcoder> re
[21:51] <blindcoder> daja77: cool :)
[21:52] <blindcoder> daja77: couldn't you have just ignored that troll?
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[21:56] <daja77> yeah thought that afterwards too
[21:57] <blindcoder> okay, next time :)
[21:57] <owl> .oO( wtf are you speaking about? )
[21:58] <mnemoc> they are drunk
[21:58] <mnemoc> ^_^
[21:58] <daja77> was that cool referring to that entry too?
[21:58] <daja77> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=367234
[21:58] <owl> mnemoc: *g* hi
[21:59] <mnemoc> hi owl ;)
[21:59] <mnemoc> owl: how is your new flying rat?
[22:00] <mnemoc> daja77: "since 2003"?
[22:01] <owl> mnemoc: *kick* alive and beeping :) but my hamster calypso was put to sleep :(
[22:01] <blindcoder> owl: a troll in the lq.org forum
[22:01] <daja77> mnemoc: no i don't use windows since 2000, I never said I am still using the same computers
[22:01] <mnemoc> daja77: :)
[22:01] <owl> blindcoder: yeah, read it *g*
[22:02] <daja77> and I still say he doesn't get the idea, and if he is buying the wrong mainboard it is not linux fault ...
[22:04] <blindcoder> true
[22:05] <blindcoder> if you buy "designed for windows" then don't complain that it doesn't work in linux :P
[22:07] <owl> well... almost every notebook has a "designed for win"-button
[22:08] <blindcoder> see :)
[22:10] <owl> waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. my ears! 
[22:10] <owl> .oO( "da wackelt der kaefig" )
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[23:07] <esden> owl: ahh well ;)
[23:07] <esden> I hope so
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