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[09:05] <Pilot> hi all
[09:12] <netrunner> privet pilot
[09:12] <netrunner> moin rest :)
[09:15] <blindcoder> moin
[09:15] <Pilot> anyone tried initng?
[09:16] <blindcoder> no
[09:16] <blindcoder> what's the advantage over sysvinit?
[09:18] <Pilot> faster bootup, service dependencies and auto-restart
[09:21] <blindcoder> I see
[09:23] Action: netrunner has heard about it.
[09:23] <netrunner> sounds like the thing I want :)
[09:29] <netrunner> there is #initng on freenode ...
[09:41] <Pilot> netrunner: i have to test it first, but don't know if it ever works or not
[09:46] <netrunner> Pilot: I guess the biggest problem is modifying the initscripts to their needs.
[09:46] <netrunner> (introducing dependencies)
[09:58] Nick change: nzg_ -> nzg
[10:11] <Pilot> the biggest problem is to change people's minds. inventing a new silver bullet was never a problem ;)
[10:12] <blindcoder> wouldn't it be possible to have them co-exist in the ROCK tree?
[10:12] <blindcoder> since initscripts are installed by a m4 macro from the init system used anyway
[10:13] <Pilot> dunno. i've seen one initng enthusiast in ALT
[10:14] <Pilot> may be, i will have chance to switch to initng
[10:14] <Pilot> i'll switch him to /etc/net for a change :)
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[10:44] <esden> good morning... what a damn day it is today ...
[10:46] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[10:46] <blindcoder> esden: why so bad?
[10:47] <esden> ahh long story ... but it sucks
[10:47] <esden> damn idiots at the fh are messing up my timeplan
[10:47] <blindcoder> o_o
[10:48] <blindcoder> you have a timeplan?
[10:49] <blindcoder> finger esden@esden.net
[10:49] <blindcoder> User has no .plan
[10:49] <daja77> surprise?
[10:50] <blindcoder> well, he said he has a timeplan
[10:50] <blindcoder> that's the surprise :)
[10:51] <daja77> hehe
[10:53] <esden> blindcoder: sure I have ... but it is in my iCal and my cellphone ... and not on pallas
[10:54] <esden> I do not want you to see it... believe me it is only for your own protection.
[10:54] <blindcoder> hehe
[10:54] <blindcoder> finger me for my public key!
[10:55] <esden> no thanks I will not finger you ... it is disgusting!
[10:55] <blindcoder> finger blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net | gpg --import
[10:55] <blindcoder> *snif*
[10:55] <blindcoder> and I thought you loved me! *cries*
[10:56] <esden> I do not stick my fingers in you ...
[10:56] <esden> I need them to touch my food ... I do not want to get some strange desease
[10:56] <blindcoder> :P
[10:56] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[10:56] <blindcoder> I'm STD-free!
[10:57] <daja77> hehe stf is just continuing ontopic 
[10:57] <blindcoder> daja77: he's a good boy :P
[10:57] <blindcoder> esden: btw, what are you leeching?
[10:57] <owl> moin
[10:57] <daja77> i am the evil one i know
[10:58] <blindcoder> moin moin owl
[10:58] Action: blindcoder puts the blame on daja77 
[10:58] Action: daja77 shrugs
[10:58] <blindcoder> I think we should report 1inxs to a mod
[10:58] <blindcoder> cause he obviously just registered to troll
[10:58] <esden> blindcoder: nothing ...
[10:59] <blindcoder> see his post-counter
[10:59] <esden> I am not leeching anything
[10:59] <blindcoder> esden: my traffic report on pop3 port goes through the roof :P
[10:59] <owl> hi blindy. 
[10:59] <esden> ok yesterday I have watched the apple media event that were 130MB or so
[10:59] <esden> and downloaded one album from iTunes
[10:59] <daja77> blindcoder: if he is complaining about too many distros in every distro forum ...
[10:59] <blindcoder> 500 MB this night
[10:59] <esden> urgh
[10:59] <esden> that is much
[11:00] <blindcoder> daja77: heh, true :)
[11:00] <blindcoder> esden: not that it matters :)
[11:00] <esden> but it may be possible
[11:00] <blindcoder> we only have 4GB this month
[11:00] <blindcoder> 196 GB to go :D
[11:01] <esden> blindcoder: aaaahhh ok ... then no problem
[11:01] <daja77> == 09:33:04 =[5]=> Building kde/kdebase [3.4.2 0].
[11:01] <daja77> 316 builds total, 234 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[11:01] <daja77> :)
[11:01] <esden> but I understand that you were eager to know where the traffic comes from
[11:01] <blindcoder> hehe :)
[11:03] <owl> why 200 GB traffic-limit?
[11:04] <blindcoder> owl: 200 GB per month are free :)
[11:04] <blindcoder> (as in beer)
[12:40] <netrunner> for initng we could use our categories as categories for the service ...
[12:45] <blindcoder> services must be categorized there?
[12:55] <daja77> blindcoder: we both could play good cop, bad cop on the forum :)
[12:55] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHAHA
[12:56] <blindcoder> too bad I'm bad at being the good cop :)
[12:56] <blindcoder> short temper :)
[12:57] <daja77> but you are the good cop at the moment ;)
[12:58] <daja77> gna gna gna
[12:58] <daja77> Oct 13 Stephan Kulow                     (7869)   [kde-announce] Announcing KDE 3.4.3
[12:59] <netrunner> hm. MS is assumed to secretly throw new linux distribution into the wild to create antipathy between linuxusers fighting holy war of distributions.
[13:01] <daja77> blindcoder: do you mind to reschedule the builds, there is still enough time
[13:01] <daja77> I could even upgrade the kernel before that ...
[13:05] <blindcoder> daja77: no problem
[13:05] <blindcoder> daja77: if there's enough time, that is
[13:06] <daja77> there is
[13:06] <blindcoder> okay :)
[13:06] <daja77> I mean I expect the build from yesterday to finish today evening
[13:06] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[13:07] <blindcoder> because with three days for a build I might only get one done
[13:07] <daja77> and athlonxp should be enough ... athlon is too old and athlon mp is not that much different
[13:07] <blindcoder> so I could only do pentium3 (p4 is broken), pentium-mmx or pentium-m
[13:08] <daja77> I think p-mmx and p3 is ok
[13:09] <daja77> so you need 6 days ;)
[13:09] <blindcoder> hm
[13:09] <blindcoder> I could do p3 on the server and pmmx on the desktop machine
[13:14] Action: daja77 d'loading new kde on the university
[13:15] <blindcoder> that reminds me...
[13:15] <blindcoder> I _do_ have an athlon machine
[13:15] <daja77> lol
[13:15] <blindcoder> though only an XP 2000+
[13:16] <daja77> which one
[13:16] <blindcoder> pallas is one
[13:16] <blindcoder> where all my and esdens websites run on
[13:16] <daja77> blindcoder: well when I do the update I can start the build as well, might be faster in the end
[13:16] <blindcoder> daja77: true :)
[13:16] <blindcoder> just tell me what you updated so we have an identical patchlevel
[13:16] <daja77> ack
[13:17] <blindcoder> Finished downloading 37500159 bytes in 7.723 seconds (4855905.000 bytes/sec).
[13:17] <blindcoder> :D
[13:17] <daja77> hehe
[13:17] <daja77> I get a lot of cksum errs, perhaps I have the wrong mirror ...
[13:17] <blindcoder> I'll now build two more LVP 0.5.0 versions for athlon on pallan :)
[13:17] <blindcoder> daja77: still cvut?
[13:17] <daja77> lemme check
[13:18] <daja77> yes d'oh
[13:18] <blindcoder> could you please also send a amail to rock-devel?
[13:18] <blindcoder> it seems clifford didn't read mine back then
[13:21] <blindcoder> xorg downloaded in 10 seconds...
[13:21] <daja77> kde needs a bit more, because it is just released ;)
[13:24] <blindcoder> okay, I just downloaded all LVP stuff from cvut without cksum errors
[13:24] <blindcoder> seems that only a few packages are affected
[13:24] <daja77> Ii had one on mplayer
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[14:43] <netrunner> what's wrong when my cvs checkout is stalled at 32K?
[14:44] <blindcoder> the cvs server is slow :)
[14:45] <netrunner> but manual checkout goes fast (at least in russia :)
[14:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: it went up to 32K and is now stalled. (even 2 in parallel now)
[14:46] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: try putting set -x into scripts/Download
[14:46] <blindcoder> brb
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[16:00] <daja77> netrunner: ?
[16:03] <netrunner> daja77: ?
[16:03] <daja77> the download urls for the nx stuff seem to be broken
[16:04] <blindcoder> daja77: 2005101118213730922
[16:05] <netrunner> daja77: when they update they remove the old file.
[16:06] <daja77> like imagemagick ...
[16:07] <netrunner> its good because you notice :)
[16:07] <daja77> ...
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[16:09] <daja77> oh some nx things had extck errors >_<
[16:15] <daja77> download/mirror/n/nxproxy-1.5.0-9.tar.gz.incomplete: ASCII English text, with very long lines
[16:15] <daja77> *sigh*
[16:17] <blindcoder> heh
[16:27] <netrunner> what is the difference between .a and .la?
[16:27] <blindcoder> l
[16:28] <daja77> .a is a static lib
[16:28] <netrunner> can I create one from another?
[16:30] <blindcoder> damn, 15 EUR for 7 km/h :(
[16:30] <daja77> iirc .la was a libtool file
[16:30] <daja77> blindcoder: ?
[16:31] <blindcoder> daja77: ticket for being 7 km/h too fast
[16:31] <daja77> oh
[16:31] <daja77> hahaha and you thought stf would ignore the troll
[16:31] <blindcoder> a few meters after leaving the A100
[16:31] <blindcoder> on a downhill street
[16:31] <blindcoder> yeah, yeah I did :(
[16:32] <daja77> and he is basicallysaying  the same thing like me
[16:38] <netrunner> daja77: yes, as you argued. the same, but he's a bit different 
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[16:41] <daja77> sure
[16:44] <daja77> blindcoder: i could upload untested update patches for you to submaster so you could start your build?
[16:44] <daja77> soon I mean
[16:44] <daja77> the kernel update I'll test before
[17:00] Action: netrunner successfully plugged his bluetooth usb stick to the rj45 port
[17:00] <daja77> LOL
[17:00] <daja77> a stick that is broadcasting your data?
[17:02] Action: netrunner thought it would be useful for bridgeing...
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[18:44] <daja77> hm why we have a linux-header:dev package ..
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[19:53] <stf^rocklinux> hi all!
[19:54] <daja77> hi stf :)
[19:55] <stf^rocklinux> hi daja
[19:55] <stf^rocklinux> I still haven't got any response from alex regarding iso.rocklinux.org...
[19:56] <stf^rocklinux> I wonder if he's on a journey or something.
[19:57] <daja77> no idea
[20:03] <stf^rocklinux> i've been too busy  to test my new isos anyways
[20:04] <stf^rocklinux> when i'm done with testing I'll ask blindcoder to upload them ^^
[20:04] <daja77> they are outdated anyway ;)
[20:08] <stf^rocklinux> that's why I'll start the next build as soon as they are uploaded :-)
[20:14] <daja77> I'll start a new build with the kernel and kde update this evening
[20:16] <stf^rocklinux> I'll also try the kde update in my next build
[20:16] <owl> re
[20:16] <daja77> hf :)
[20:20] <owl> esden: sharp fotos of merlin are online
[20:29] <owl> someone interested in "funny" fotos?
[20:31] <stf^rocklinux> I'll be offline for a few minutes ...
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[20:35] <daja77> irc over kopete hm
[20:37] <owl> http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/user-alben/owl/misc/leihnotebook_saturn/
[20:54] <blindcoder> re
[20:55] <blindcoder> ehm
[20:55] <blindcoder> I have no account to iso.rocklinux.de
[20:55] <blindcoder> IIRC only th has
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[22:06] <th> ack - i do
[22:21] <daja77> damn crystal kernel config!
[22:21] <blindcoder> daja77: ?
[22:22] <daja77> the driver for my pcmcia network card (simple ne2000 compatible) is missing, and no kernel source package
[22:22] <blindcoder> hmm
[22:23] <blindcoder> reminds me of my month-old realisation that we need a better kernel autoconfig
[22:23] <daja77> so now I can't upload my recent download to my other machine >_<
[22:24] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Emerge linux26-source
[22:24] <blindcoder> :)
[22:25] <daja77> without network to downlaod the tarball?
[22:25] <blindcoder> usb-stick
[22:27] <daja77> *grmbl*
[22:29] <owl> inet over buschtrommel? :)
[22:30] <blindcoder> tcp/ip over avian carriers!
[22:31] <owl> avian?
[22:31] <blindcoder> brieftaube :)
[22:31] <owl> ah. *g* 
[22:32] <daja77> i am too tired to mess around now, will rebuld the kernel tomorrow when I have network
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[23:24] <esden> bopp
[23:37] <owl> hi esden 
[23:50] <esden> hi owl 
[23:58] <owl> esden: saw the link?
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