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[00:00] <blindcoder> oh fuck [00:00] <blindcoder> jap emo music [00:02] <blindcoder> anyway [00:02] <blindcoder> bedtime [00:02] <blindcoder> nighty [00:05] <fake> n8 bc! [00:20] <fake> YES! [00:20] <fake> i rule! [00:21] Action: stf^rocklinux plays some music for the Dance of Victory. [00:22] <fake> thanks [00:22] <fake> cant stop the rock... dumdidum [00:22] <stf^rocklinux> you're currently working on symbian? [00:23] <stf^rocklinux> or on an app for it? [00:23] <fake> not on symbian directly, i'm developing... exactly. [00:24] <fake> series60 for now [00:24] <fake> but series80 to come... [00:26] <stf^rocklinux> what's helix? [00:26] <fake> the helix player / helix project / helix community [00:26] <fake> www.helixcommunity.org [00:26] <fake> it's basically the real player [00:27] <fake> and real producer and server [00:27] <fake> just with an acrobatic license [00:27] <stf^rocklinux> commercial or open source it says [00:29] <fake> well... the real codec is not open source ;) [00:29] <fake> for example. [00:29] <fake> there are quite a few real codecs... [00:29] <stf^rocklinux> who needs real codecs anyways [00:29] <fake> oh, i do. [00:30] <stf^rocklinux> what for? [00:30] <fake> the quality of the real codec is outstanding - for extremely low bitrates [00:30] <fake> like 20k/s [00:30] <stf^rocklinux> ok [00:30] <fake> that's kbit/s, of course ;) [01:22] Action: fake away, cya [01:22] <stf^rocklinux> cu [01:51] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-118-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:54] Freak (n=freak@erleuchtet.org) got netsplit. [01:54] fake (n=fake@rapidnetworks.de) got netsplit. 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[10:40] <yesha_here> ??? [10:40] <yesha_here> hellllllllllllllllloioooo [10:42] <blindcoder> moin [10:43] <blindcoder> please, don't shout. my head... [10:43] <yesha_here> hehehehehe [10:43] <yesha_here> pardon me:) [10:43] <yesha_here> hello lindcoder [10:43] <yesha_here> how are u [10:45] <yesha_here> hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooo [10:45] <yesha_here> how come bobody is talking?? [10:45] <yesha_here> this is my irst in chat [10:45] <yesha_here> jessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss [10:51] <blindcoder> well, mostly because people tend to still be asleep :) [10:51] <blindcoder> not everyone is in front of his computer 24/7 [10:51] <yesha_here> afternoon here [10:51] <blindcoder> and I'm working on getting the bootdisk udev-ready [10:51] <yesha_here> what time over there?? [10:51] <blindcoder> 10:53 AM right now [10:52] <yesha_here> im from philippines /..you?? this is my first chat.. i want to learn about linux [10:53] <blindcoder> Germany [10:53] <yesha_here> wow [10:53] <yesha_here> suse:) [10:53] <blindcoder> If you're new to linux then I suggest https://www.linuxquestions.org/ or #linux [10:53] <blindcoder> ROCK isn't exactly suited for absolute beginners :) [10:54] <yesha_here> i know alittel.. that guy frm germany also give me a cd suse 9 pro [10:54] <yesha_here> whta disto you are using?? [10:55] <blindcoder> ROCK :) [10:55] <blindcoder> this is the channel of ROCK Linux after all :) [10:55] <yesha_here> :)) [10:56] <yesha_here> hmmm.. nver heard it... must be tough,,is i better that fedora or suse?? [10:56] <yesha_here> ?? [10:57] <yesha_here> do you what irc server who talks alot about suse linux?? [10:57] <yesha_here> do you know what irc server who talks alot about suse linux?? [10:57] <blindcoder> sure it is better, but not for new people [10:57] <blindcoder> well, this one i'd say [10:57] <blindcoder> let's see [10:58] <blindcoder> https://www.suse-irc.org [10:58] <blindcoder> there you might find something [10:58] <blindcoder> or here in #suse [10:58] <yesha_here> owwk.... [10:58] <yesha_here> no one there [11:00] <yesha_here> hey been there.. no one speak english eh:) [11:01] <blindcoder> hm [11:01] <blindcoder> suse is a mostly german-centric distribution [11:01] <yesha_here> :))) [11:02] <yesha_here> i have two offices [11:03] <yesha_here> is there way i can monitor my staaf thru internet.. do you kno any spoftware ?? [11:03] <yesha_here> to do that?? [11:04] <blindcoder> monitor? [11:04] <blindcoder> what kind of monitoring? [11:04] <yesha_here> yap// [11:05] <yesha_here> just to see wht are the activities.. i have a computer and two internet cafes [11:05] <yesha_here> 3 shop actually [11:05] <yesha_here> all dsl [11:05] <yesha_here> all connected to dsl [11:06] <blindcoder> what activities? what programs are running? [11:07] <yesha_here> naah..people.. just amonitor [11:07] <yesha_here> progrmas also if possible [11:07] <blindcoder> hmm [11:07] <blindcoder> not off the tip of my head [11:07] <blindcoder> but try searching freshmeat.net [11:10] <yesha_here> im using windows.. thtas site i think is for lunux.. do you know a particular program?? [11:11] <blindcoder> no [11:11] <yesha_here> linux dont carry much on webcms [11:11] <blindcoder> I'm an all Linux guy [11:12] <blindcoder> o_O [11:12] <yesha_here> :))) [11:12] <blindcoder> what do you mean? webcms? [11:12] <yesha_here> webcameras [11:12] <blindcoder> ah [11:12] <blindcoder> well, I can't help you with windows, sorry [11:12] <yesha_here> weel -if there is on linux why not [11:13] <blindcoder> then try freshmeat, I'm not good with webcams [11:13] <blindcoder> don't like them, really [11:13] <yesha_here> ;))))))))))))))))) [11:16] <esden> moin [11:19] <blindcoder> moin esden [11:23] <esden> and cu ... have work to do [11:25] <blindcoder> hmm [11:25] <blindcoder> is kiss sh compatible? [11:29] <th> which kiss? [11:29] <th> the klibc one? [11:29] <blindcoder> the one on our bootdisk [11:29] <blindcoder> sigh [11:29] <blindcoder> of course it isn't [11:31] treo (n=xfman@80.184.186.7) joined #rocklinux. [11:36] <blindcoder> oka [11:36] <blindcoder> y [11:36] <blindcoder> so how am I supposed to run the /etc/udev/scripts/* files without /bin/sh [11:39] Action: blindcoder building bash statically with dietlibc [11:41] <blindcoder> rmpf [11:41] <blindcoder> of course, doesn't work [11:41] yesha_here (n=frailian@210.1.68.40) left #rocklinux. [11:46] <th> blindcoder: busybox rocks [11:47] <th> blindcoder: and of what i heared there have been tried to make the udev scripts posix compatible so it should work with busybox [11:47] <th> ;-) [11:48] <blindcoder> hmm [11:48] <blindcoder> how large is busybox in bytes? [11:52] <th> depends on what you compile in [11:52] <blindcoder> I only need /bin/sh [11:53] <blindcoder> actually, I could just compile bash statically [11:53] <blindcoder> there's plenty of space available [11:54] <blindcoder> hmm [11:54] <blindcoder> num=$((${num} + 1)) [11:54] <blindcoder> sh? [11:54] <blindcoder> DRIVE="${1%%[0-9]*}" [11:54] <blindcoder> sh? [11:54] <blindcoder> not much POSIX there [11:56] <th> which script are you talking about? [11:57] <blindcoder> ide-devfs.sh [11:57] <th> we should fix this [11:57] <blindcoder> the script creating /dev/cdroms/* [11:57] <th> as we fixed the scsi version [11:57] <blindcoder> already got a patch for it [11:57] <th> fine [11:57] <blindcoder> actually [11:57] <blindcoder> not for that [11:57] <blindcoder> but for some other problem [11:58] <blindcoder> we probably need to rewrite the whole bootdisk to get it udev compatible [12:14] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:22] [raphael] (n=raphael@host-84-235-196-162.satlynx.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:50] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994423.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:58] <blindcoder> https://nnil.de/images/photoalbum/21.jpg [13:58] <blindcoder> ouch [14:11] [raphael] (n=raphael@host-84-235-196-162.satlynx.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [14:16] <blindcoder> I so hate sundays [15:37] treo (n=xfman@80.184.186.7) left irc: "safe the Planet, kill yourself" [15:38] treo (n=xfman@Dba07.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [16:09] <fake> SMP: did you check out https://www.twinklephone.com/ yet? [16:12] <blindcoder> twinklephone o_O [16:13] <blindcoder> I don't want my phone to twinkle but to ring :P [16:19] <blindcoder> Esst eure portion und ihr merkt schon [16:19] <blindcoder> wer keine Angst vorm Denken hat gewinnt ein Telefon [16:37] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-036-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:37] blindcoder (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-133-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:37] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [17:21] <SMP> fake: no. thanks for the pointer. looks very promising [18:12] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.91) joined #rocklinux. [18:13] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.101) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:14] <stf^rocklinux> re [18:14] <blindcoder> moin stf^rocklinux [18:15] <stf^rocklinux> hi [18:15] <stf^rocklinux> test-installed my crystal build yesterday, everything seems work just fine :) [18:16] <blindcoder> great :) [18:16] <stf^rocklinux> now I want to setup an ftp server on my box so th can upload the files. [18:16] <stf^rocklinux> Is there a program you can recommend? [18:16] <blindcoder> you can also use a webserver for th [18:16] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [18:16] <blindcoder> otherwise, proftpd [18:17] <stf^rocklinux> whatever is easier to set up ;) [18:17] <blindcoder> webserver :) [18:17] <blindcoder> actually [18:17] <blindcoder> setting up ssh and giving th an account is the easiest :) [18:19] <stf^rocklinux> but that wouldn't allow him to use wget from the ISO server, I suppose? [18:19] <blindcoder> no, but scp [18:19] <blindcoder> which works just as fine [18:20] <stf^rocklinux> Ok, I'll try that first ^^ [19:32] <th> scp/rsync/wget anything will do fine [19:32] <blindcoder> th will take anything he can get his dirty hands on :D [19:33] <th> harr [19:35] treo (n=xfman@Dba07.d.pppool.de) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:36] <stf^rocklinux> ok, it'll be ready for uploading soon [19:58] treo (n=xfman@Dc65b.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:15] nookie (n=nookie@M313P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [20:44] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-010-143.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:44] blindcoder (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-036-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:44] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [21:14] stf^rocklinux (n=root@heim-032-16.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:16] stf^rocklinux (n=root@heim-032-16.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [22:25] <fake> hi all [22:25] <stf^rocklinux> hi fake [22:25] <fake> new livecd iso just uploaded [22:25] <fake> x86 only :/ [22:25] <fake> but it's rock solid ;) [22:26] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i can help you with the upload, too [22:26] <fake> if you were the one requesting help [22:26] <fake> i just wasn't sure wether i remember my password [22:26] <fake> obviously, i do ;) [22:27] <stf^rocklinux> thanks, I'm still not done with preparations... probably tomorrow evening it'll be ready. [22:27] <fake> blindcoder: wget has the ultra-leet option --limit-rate, which leaves some space for generic traffic on asynchronous lines [22:28] <fake> though, i have 1MBit SDSL @work, hehe [22:28] <fake> nobody even noticed the upload [22:28] <fake> nobody being me [22:28] <fake> well.. sunday. [22:29] <fake> stf^rocklinux: when i'm around, i'd be glad to help. [22:29] <stf^rocklinux> Besides the usual isos, I want to upload packages as gem files. So we can finally put rocket to a use. [22:29] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if im not, send a mail to the ml or to me directly, my blackberry will make me go online ;) [22:30] <fake> stf^rocklinux: iso.rocklinux.de will most likely not be a .gem server [22:30] <fake> stf^rocklinux [22:30] <fake> oops [22:30] <fake> i have a server with no traffic limit and some space handy [22:30] <fake> i am root on ;) [22:31] <fake> i'd just need to make a call or two, i could do that tomorrow [22:31] <fake> th: ping? [22:33] <stf^rocklinux> anyhow, using rocket is much nicer than downloading large ISOs, so I'd really like to have a gem pool uploaded. [22:33] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i understand that ;) [22:34] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'd be glad if you can manage a location for this [22:34] Action: fake sticks a post-it to his screen [22:34] <fake> very old-school, but reliable [22:35] <fake> th: can you set up gems.rocklinux.??? on short notice? [22:35] <fake> th: and create iso.rocklinux.{org,net} while you're at it? [22:36] <fake> th: iso.rocklinux.de alone is a bit lonely ;) [22:36] <fake> or packages.rocklinux.bla [22:36] <fake> whatever [22:51] <fake> 65G of space on that server [22:51] <fake> though i can add more [22:51] <fake> provided i get donations, there is enough space in the rack [22:51] <stf^rocklinux> I have about 900 MB of gems atm. [22:52] <fake> thats no problem [22:52] <fake> but my guess is, once we start giving out sftp accounts, it will fill up quickly [22:52] <fake> an extern 250G hd would be nice [22:54] treo (n=xfman@Dc65b.d.pppool.de) left irc: "mv /dev/treo /dev/bed" [22:55] <stf^rocklinux> well, I think I'd delete my outdated gems when I've built an updated target, so my space requirements wouldn't grow that much. [22:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's the point of network update, replacing old version on the fly, aint it? ;-) [22:55] <fake> out of curiosity: what are you building? [22:56] <stf^rocklinux> i've already finished a crystal distro for athlon-xp, with some additional packages. [22:56] <fake> ah [22:56] <stf^rocklinux> avidemux, more codecs, some libs for optional KDE features like juk. [22:57] <stf^rocklinux> I've already installed it on my PC, and I'm quite pleased with the results :) [22:58] <fake> well, if we stack up crystal+addon packages for, say, pmmx, athlon-xp, p4 and ppc that would suffice, i guess [22:58] <fake> for a start [22:58] <fake> oh, and athlon64, of course ;) [22:58] <stf^rocklinux> pilot asked for an UltraSparc iso two days ago... [22:58] <fake> ... and i ask for ultrasparc hardware with usable speed [22:58] <fake> we'd have a sparc livecd since ages... [22:59] <fake> but the u30 is slooow [22:59] <fake> and looooud [22:59] <fake> and crappy [22:59] <stf^rocklinux> >_< [22:59] <fake> i had hannes_'s v100 when i did most of the work [22:59] <fake> but he wanted it back lately [23:00] <stf^rocklinux> I told Pilot he could cross-compile a minimal build-bootstrap distro on e.g. x86. [23:00] <fake> jup [23:01] <fake> that's what i did [23:01] <fake> but i have an iso somewhere, for usparc [23:01] <stf^rocklinux> didn [23:01] <fake> of course, it's in ingolstadt... somwhere [23:02] <stf^rocklinux> didn't know whether it's the usual bootdisk+crystal combination, or bootdisk only. Anyhow he said he'd give it a try. [23:03] <fake> bootdisk+crystal should work, though not if cross compiled [23:03] <fake> you usually crosscompile generic and bootdisk - not sure if it works [23:05] <stf^rocklinux> ok [23:06] <stf^rocklinux> I'm considering using gcc 4.0 as default compiler for my next build ^^ [23:09] <stf^rocklinux> I assume it won't work out-of-the-box. [23:11] <fake> i guess so... [23:11] <fake> we should introduce an ABI-check [23:12] <fake> so you can check wether a .gem breaks ABI to your system [23:13] <stf^rocklinux> sounds complicated to me [23:14] <stf^rocklinux> but I haven't thought about this until know... [23:14] <fake> you can't just update a gem built with gcc 3.4.4 with one built with 4.0 ;) [23:15] <fake> *3.4.3 [23:17] <stf^rocklinux> right, there's no info in gems about the compiler used. [23:17] <fake> nor about the glibc version linked against. or any other library versions [23:17] <fake> only one solution: compile everything statically! muahaha... [23:18] <fake> the 'mac' way [23:18] <stf^rocklinux> really?! [23:18] <fake> not quite [23:18] <fake> but on mac os x, an application ships all its libraries [23:19] <fake> the system then checks wether the applications shipped libraries are newer than the system's versions [23:19] <fake> the ^--- runtime linker [23:19] <fake> so basically, it's even worse than statically compiled binaries ;) [23:22] <stf^rocklinux> but abi compatibility shouldn't be a problem if everything is compiled with one gcc version? [23:22] <fake> and on glibc version. [23:23] <stf^rocklinux> ok [23:23] <fake> and you don't to incompatible major-version shared library updates [23:23] <fake> *do [23:23] <fake> boy, my typo-rate rules today [23:23] <nookie> np: Geier Sturzflug - Bruttosozialprodukt [23:23] <nookie> :D [23:24] <fake> weia... [23:24] <nookie> fake: hmm? :) [23:24] <fake> sucky music ;) [23:25] <nookie> heh [23:27] <stf^rocklinux> I wipe out my Linux installation and reinstall it with every new distro built anyhow [23:27] <stf^rocklinux> IIRC the many patches for gcc34 where necessary because of the stricter C syntax. I'll see how gcc40 performs. [23:34] <daja77> you could implant the gcc version into gem ... [23:50] <nookie> gn8i :) [23:51] <stf^rocklinux> gn8 [23:52] reinaldo (n=reinaldo@pc-14-24-104-200.cm.vtr.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:54] <daja77> you could also ignore my comments as I am sleeping anyway but still typing atm [00:00] --- Mon Oct 17 2005