[00:00] <blindcoder> oh fuck
[00:00] <blindcoder> jap emo music
[00:02] <blindcoder> anyway
[00:02] <blindcoder> bedtime
[00:02] <blindcoder> nighty
[00:05] <fake> n8 bc!
[00:20] <fake> YES!
[00:20] <fake> i rule!
[00:21] Action: stf^rocklinux plays some music for the Dance of Victory.
[00:22] <fake> thanks
[00:22] <fake> cant stop the rock... dumdidum
[00:22] <stf^rocklinux> you're currently working on symbian?
[00:23] <stf^rocklinux> or on an app for it?
[00:23] <fake> not on symbian directly, i'm developing... exactly.
[00:24] <fake> series60 for now
[00:24] <fake> but series80 to come...
[00:26] <stf^rocklinux> what's helix?
[00:26] <fake> the helix player / helix project / helix community
[00:26] <fake> www.helixcommunity.org
[00:26] <fake> it's basically the real player
[00:27] <fake> and real producer and server
[00:27] <fake> just with an acrobatic license
[00:27] <stf^rocklinux> commercial or open source it says
[00:29] <fake> well... the real codec is not open source ;)
[00:29] <fake> for example.
[00:29] <fake> there are quite a few real codecs...
[00:29] <stf^rocklinux> who needs real codecs anyways
[00:29] <fake> oh, i do.
[00:30] <stf^rocklinux> what for?
[00:30] <fake> the quality of the real codec is outstanding - for extremely low bitrates
[00:30] <fake> like 20k/s
[00:30] <stf^rocklinux> ok
[00:30] <fake> that's kbit/s, of course ;)
[01:22] Action: fake away, cya
[01:22] <stf^rocklinux> cu
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[08:51] <blindcoder> moin
[08:52] <stf^rocklinux> moin
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[10:40] <yesha_here> ???
[10:40] <yesha_here> hellllllllllllllllloioooo
[10:42] <blindcoder> moin
[10:43] <blindcoder> please, don't shout. my head...
[10:43] <yesha_here> hehehehehe
[10:43] <yesha_here> pardon me:)
[10:43] <yesha_here> hello lindcoder
[10:43] <yesha_here> how  are u
[10:45] <yesha_here> hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooo
[10:45] <yesha_here> how   come  bobody  is talking??
[10:45] <yesha_here> this is my irst   in chat
[10:45] <yesha_here> jessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
[10:51] <blindcoder> well, mostly because people tend to still be asleep :)
[10:51] <blindcoder> not everyone is in front of his computer 24/7
[10:51] <yesha_here> afternoon here
[10:51] <blindcoder> and I'm working on getting the bootdisk udev-ready
[10:51] <yesha_here> what time over there??
[10:51] <blindcoder> 10:53 AM right now
[10:52] <yesha_here> im  from  philippines  /..you?? this  is my  first  chat.. i want  to learn  about linux
[10:53] <blindcoder> Germany
[10:53] <yesha_here> wow
[10:53] <yesha_here> suse:)
[10:53] <blindcoder> If you're new to linux then I suggest http://www.linuxquestions.org/ or #linux
[10:53] <blindcoder> ROCK isn't exactly suited for absolute beginners :)
[10:54] <yesha_here> i  know alittel.. that  guy  frm  germany  also   give me a  cd   suse 9  pro
[10:54] <yesha_here> whta  disto  you are using??
[10:55] <blindcoder> ROCK :)
[10:55] <blindcoder> this is the channel of ROCK Linux after all :)
[10:55] <yesha_here> :))
[10:56] <yesha_here> hmmm.. nver heard   it...  must  be tough,,is i  better that fedora  or  suse??
[10:56] <yesha_here> ??
[10:57] <yesha_here> do  you  what   irc  server who talks alot about suse linux??
[10:57] <yesha_here> do  you know what   irc  server who talks alot about suse linux??
[10:57] <blindcoder> sure it is better, but not for new people
[10:57] <blindcoder> well, this one i'd say
[10:57] <blindcoder> let's see
[10:58] <blindcoder> http://www.suse-irc.org
[10:58] <blindcoder> there you might find something
[10:58] <blindcoder> or here in #suse
[10:58] <yesha_here> owwk....   
[10:58] <yesha_here> no one  there
[11:00] <yesha_here> hey  been there.. no one  speak  english  eh:)
[11:01] <blindcoder> hm
[11:01] <blindcoder> suse is a mostly german-centric distribution
[11:01] <yesha_here> :)))
[11:02] <yesha_here> i have  two  offices
[11:03] <yesha_here> is  there  way  i can monitor     my staaf   thru internet.. do you kno  any spoftware  ??
[11:03] <yesha_here> to  do that??
[11:04] <blindcoder> monitor?
[11:04] <blindcoder> what kind of monitoring?
[11:04] <yesha_here> yap//
[11:05] <yesha_here> just   to see  wht  are  the activities.. i have a  computer  and  two internet  cafes
[11:05] <yesha_here> 3   shop  actually
[11:05] <yesha_here> all   dsl
[11:05] <yesha_here> all  connected  to   dsl
[11:06] <blindcoder> what activities? what programs are running?
[11:07] <yesha_here> naah..people.. just amonitor
[11:07] <yesha_here> progrmas    also if  possible
[11:07] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:07] <blindcoder> not off the tip of my head
[11:07] <blindcoder> but try searching freshmeat.net
[11:10] <yesha_here> im using  windows..  thtas  site  i think   is  for  lunux..  do you know a particular program??
[11:11] <blindcoder> no
[11:11] <yesha_here> linux  dont  carry  much on  webcms
[11:11] <blindcoder> I'm an all Linux guy
[11:12] <blindcoder> o_O
[11:12] <yesha_here> :)))
[11:12] <blindcoder> what do you mean? webcms?
[11:12] <yesha_here> webcameras
[11:12] <blindcoder> ah
[11:12] <blindcoder> well, I can't help you with windows, sorry
[11:12] <yesha_here> weel   -if there is  on  linux  why not
[11:13] <blindcoder> then try freshmeat, I'm not good with webcams
[11:13] <blindcoder> don't like them, really
[11:13] <yesha_here> ;)))))))))))))))))
[11:16] <esden> moin
[11:19] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[11:23] <esden> and cu ... have work to do
[11:25] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:25] <blindcoder> is kiss sh compatible?
[11:29] <th> which kiss?
[11:29] <th> the klibc one?
[11:29] <blindcoder> the one on our bootdisk
[11:29] <blindcoder> sigh
[11:29] <blindcoder> of course it isn't
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[11:36] <blindcoder> oka
[11:36] <blindcoder> y
[11:36] <blindcoder> so how am I supposed to run the /etc/udev/scripts/* files without /bin/sh
[11:39] Action: blindcoder building bash statically with dietlibc
[11:41] <blindcoder> rmpf
[11:41] <blindcoder> of course, doesn't work
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[11:46] <th> blindcoder: busybox rocks
[11:47] <th> blindcoder: and of what i heared there have been tried to make the udev scripts posix compatible so it should work with busybox
[11:47] <th> ;-)
[11:48] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:48] <blindcoder> how large is busybox in bytes?
[11:52] <th> depends on what you compile in
[11:52] <blindcoder> I only need /bin/sh
[11:53] <blindcoder> actually, I could just compile bash statically
[11:53] <blindcoder> there's plenty of space available
[11:54] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:54] <blindcoder>                                 num=$((${num} + 1))
[11:54] <blindcoder> sh?
[11:54] <blindcoder>         DRIVE="${1%%[0-9]*}"
[11:54] <blindcoder> sh?
[11:54] <blindcoder> not much POSIX there
[11:56] <th> which script are you talking about?
[11:57] <blindcoder> ide-devfs.sh
[11:57] <th> we should fix this
[11:57] <blindcoder> the script creating /dev/cdroms/*
[11:57] <th> as we fixed the scsi version
[11:57] <blindcoder> already got a patch for it
[11:57] <th> fine
[11:57] <blindcoder> actually
[11:57] <blindcoder> not for that
[11:57] <blindcoder> but for some other problem
[11:58] <blindcoder> we probably need to rewrite the whole bootdisk to get it udev compatible
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[13:58] <blindcoder> http://nnil.de/images/photoalbum/21.jpg
[13:58] <blindcoder> ouch
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[14:16] <blindcoder> I so hate sundays
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[16:09] <fake> SMP: did you check out http://www.twinklephone.com/ yet?
[16:12] <blindcoder> twinklephone o_O
[16:13] <blindcoder> I don't want my phone to twinkle but to ring :P
[16:19] <blindcoder> Esst eure portion und ihr merkt schon
[16:19] <blindcoder> wer keine Angst vorm Denken hat gewinnt ein Telefon
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[17:21] <SMP> fake: no. thanks for the pointer. looks very promising
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[18:14] <stf^rocklinux> re
[18:14] <blindcoder> moin stf^rocklinux 
[18:15] <stf^rocklinux> hi
[18:15] <stf^rocklinux> test-installed my crystal build yesterday, everything seems work just fine :)
[18:16] <blindcoder> great :)
[18:16] <stf^rocklinux> now I want to setup an ftp server on my box so th can upload the files.
[18:16] <stf^rocklinux> Is there a program you can recommend?
[18:16] <blindcoder> you can also use a webserver for th
[18:16] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc
[18:16] <blindcoder> otherwise, proftpd
[18:17] <stf^rocklinux> whatever is easier to set up ;)
[18:17] <blindcoder> webserver :)
[18:17] <blindcoder> actually
[18:17] <blindcoder> setting up ssh and giving th an account is the easiest :)
[18:19] <stf^rocklinux> but that wouldn't allow him to use wget from the ISO server, I suppose?
[18:19] <blindcoder> no, but scp
[18:19] <blindcoder> which works just as fine
[18:20] <stf^rocklinux> Ok, I'll try that first ^^
[19:32] <th> scp/rsync/wget anything will do fine
[19:32] <blindcoder> th will take anything he can get his dirty hands on :D
[19:33] <th> harr
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[19:36] <stf^rocklinux> ok, it'll be ready for uploading soon
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[22:25] <fake> hi all
[22:25] <stf^rocklinux> hi fake
[22:25] <fake> new livecd iso just uploaded
[22:25] <fake> x86 only :/
[22:25] <fake> but it's rock solid ;)
[22:26] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i can help you with the upload, too
[22:26] <fake> if you were the one requesting help
[22:26] <fake> i just wasn't sure wether i remember my password
[22:26] <fake> obviously, i do ;)
[22:27] <stf^rocklinux> thanks, I'm still not done with preparations... probably tomorrow evening it'll be ready.
[22:27] <fake> blindcoder: wget has the ultra-leet option --limit-rate, which leaves some space for generic traffic on asynchronous lines
[22:28] <fake> though, i have 1MBit SDSL @work, hehe
[22:28] <fake> nobody even noticed the upload
[22:28] <fake> nobody being me
[22:28] <fake> well.. sunday.
[22:29] <fake> stf^rocklinux: when i'm around, i'd be glad to help.
[22:29] <stf^rocklinux> Besides the usual isos, I want to upload packages as gem files. So we can finally put rocket to a use.
[22:29] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if im not, send a mail to the ml or to me directly, my blackberry will make me go online ;)
[22:30] <fake> stf^rocklinux: iso.rocklinux.de will most likely not be a .gem server
[22:30] <fake> stf^rocklinux 
[22:30] <fake> oops
[22:30] <fake> i have a server with no traffic limit and some space handy
[22:30] <fake> i am root on ;)
[22:31] <fake> i'd just need to make a call or two, i could do that tomorrow
[22:31] <fake> th: ping?
[22:33] <stf^rocklinux> anyhow, using rocket is much nicer than downloading large ISOs, so I'd really like to have a gem pool uploaded.
[22:33] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i understand that ;)
[22:34] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'd be glad if you can manage a location for this 
[22:34] Action: fake sticks a post-it to his screen
[22:34] <fake> very old-school, but reliable
[22:35] <fake> th: can you set up gems.rocklinux.??? on short notice?
[22:35] <fake> th: and create iso.rocklinux.{org,net} while you're at it?
[22:36] <fake> th: iso.rocklinux.de alone is a bit lonely ;)
[22:36] <fake> or packages.rocklinux.bla
[22:36] <fake> whatever
[22:51] <fake> 65G of space on that server
[22:51] <fake> though i can add more
[22:51] <fake> provided i get donations, there is enough space in the rack
[22:51] <stf^rocklinux> I have about 900 MB of gems atm.
[22:52] <fake> thats no problem
[22:52] <fake> but my guess is, once we start giving out sftp accounts, it will fill up quickly
[22:52] <fake> an extern 250G hd would be nice
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[22:55] <stf^rocklinux> well, I think I'd delete my outdated gems when I've built an updated target, so my space requirements wouldn't grow that much.
[22:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's the point of network update, replacing old version on the fly, aint it? ;-)
[22:55] <fake> out of curiosity: what are you building?
[22:56] <stf^rocklinux> i've already finished a crystal distro for athlon-xp, with some additional packages.
[22:56] <fake> ah
[22:56] <stf^rocklinux> avidemux, more codecs, some libs for optional KDE features like juk.
[22:57] <stf^rocklinux> I've already installed it on my PC, and I'm quite pleased with the results :)
[22:58] <fake> well, if we stack up crystal+addon packages for, say, pmmx, athlon-xp, p4 and ppc that would suffice, i guess
[22:58] <fake> for a start
[22:58] <fake> oh, and athlon64, of course ;)
[22:58] <stf^rocklinux> pilot asked for an UltraSparc iso two days ago...
[22:58] <fake> ... and i ask for ultrasparc hardware with usable speed
[22:58] <fake> we'd have a sparc livecd since ages...
[22:59] <fake> but the u30 is slooow
[22:59] <fake> and looooud
[22:59] <fake> and crappy
[22:59] <stf^rocklinux> >_<
[22:59] <fake> i had hannes_'s v100 when i did most of the work
[22:59] <fake> but he wanted it back lately
[23:00] <stf^rocklinux> I told Pilot he could cross-compile a minimal build-bootstrap distro on e.g. x86.
[23:00] <fake> jup
[23:01] <fake> that's what i did
[23:01] <fake> but i have an iso somewhere, for usparc
[23:01] <stf^rocklinux> didn
[23:01] <fake> of course, it's in ingolstadt... somwhere
[23:02] <stf^rocklinux> didn't know whether it's the usual bootdisk+crystal combination, or bootdisk only. Anyhow he said he'd give it a try.
[23:03] <fake> bootdisk+crystal should work, though not if cross compiled
[23:03] <fake> you usually crosscompile generic and bootdisk - not sure if it works
[23:05] <stf^rocklinux> ok
[23:06] <stf^rocklinux> I'm considering using gcc 4.0 as default compiler for my next build ^^
[23:09] <stf^rocklinux> I assume it won't work out-of-the-box.
[23:11] <fake> i guess so...
[23:11] <fake> we should introduce an ABI-check
[23:12] <fake> so you can check wether a .gem breaks ABI to your system
[23:13] <stf^rocklinux> sounds complicated to me
[23:14] <stf^rocklinux> but I haven't thought about this until know...
[23:14] <fake> you can't just update a gem built with gcc 3.4.4 with one built with 4.0 ;)
[23:15] <fake> *3.4.3
[23:17] <stf^rocklinux> right, there's no info in gems about the compiler used.
[23:17] <fake> nor about the glibc version linked against. or any other library versions
[23:17] <fake> only one solution: compile everything statically! muahaha...
[23:18] <fake> the 'mac' way
[23:18] <stf^rocklinux> really?!
[23:18] <fake> not quite
[23:18] <fake> but on mac os x, an application ships all its libraries
[23:19] <fake> the system then checks wether the applications shipped libraries are newer than the system's versions
[23:19] <fake> the ^--- runtime linker
[23:19] <fake> so basically, it's even worse than statically compiled binaries ;)
[23:22] <stf^rocklinux> but abi compatibility shouldn't be a problem if everything is compiled with one gcc version?
[23:22] <fake> and on glibc version.
[23:23] <stf^rocklinux> ok
[23:23] <fake> and you don't to incompatible major-version shared library updates
[23:23] <fake> *do
[23:23] <fake> boy, my typo-rate rules today
[23:23] <nookie> np: Geier Sturzflug - Bruttosozialprodukt
[23:23] <nookie> :D
[23:24] <fake> weia...
[23:24] <nookie> fake: hmm? :)
[23:24] <fake> sucky music ;)
[23:25] <nookie> heh
[23:27] <stf^rocklinux> I wipe out my Linux installation and reinstall it with every new distro built anyhow
[23:27] <stf^rocklinux> IIRC the many patches for gcc34 where necessary because of the stricter C syntax. I'll see how gcc40 performs.
[23:34] <daja77> you could implant the gcc version into gem ...
[23:50] <nookie> gn8i :)
[23:51] <stf^rocklinux> gn8
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[23:54] <daja77> you could also ignore my comments as I am sleeping anyway but still typing atm
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