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[08:42] <blindcoder> moin
[08:49] <cutio> already awake?
[08:51] <blindcoder> already? I totally overslept
[08:52] <cutio> woops - i know your prob, i oversleep kinda often too but hey, ive holidays now
[08:53] <blindcoder> :P
[08:53] <blindcoder> well, I really wanted to be at work sooner than 8 AM for a change :(
[08:53] <blindcoder> haven't managed that in a month or so
[08:54] <cutio> 8am.. hmm.. good luck
[08:54] <cutio> normally ive to get up at 6am.
[08:57] <cutio> ive aq good method to wake up: i start through sleep n; mplayer .. a metallica song (often blitzkrieg) that helps
[08:58] <blindcoder> hehe
[09:14] <esden> moin
[09:15] <owl> moin
[09:18] <blindcoder> moin esden, owl 
[09:43] <blindcoder> esden: which IP address do you use when connecting to pallas?
[09:46] <esden> eeerm .... 
[09:46] <esden> you mean from which address my tunnel orginates from?
[09:46] <esden> or the internal adresses of the tunnel?=
[09:47] <blindcoder> esden: the address on pallas
[09:47] <esden> my god ... my head is exploding
[09:47] <esden> I stay at home today >_<
[09:47] Action: blindcoder hands esden an aspirin
[09:47] <esden> thanks blindcoder 
[10:04] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[10:04] <owl> esden: what did you do? O_o grippe?
[10:10] <daja77> argh
[10:11] <owl> hi daja77 :)
[10:12] <daja77> hi
[10:12] <blindcoder> moin daja77 
[10:14] <daja77> the tar that should pack the build dirs is in sate D now >_<
[10:15] <blindcoder> O_O
[10:21] <blindcoder> urgsurgsurgs
[10:23] <blindcoder> I have never seen so many ugly bugs in one place
[10:24] <daja77> it is my place >_<
[10:25] <blindcoder> daja77: no, I mean my code I'm fixing here
[10:26] <daja77> ah ok :D
[10:26] <blindcoder> iptables -A where it should be -D
[10:26] <blindcoder> -p tcp where it should be -p udg
[10:26] <blindcoder> -p tcp where it should be -p udp
[10:27] <blindcoder> --sport 0 which will never match
[10:27] <blindcoder> -s which will never match
[10:28] <blindcoder> :(
[10:56] <esden> owl: ack
[10:57] <esden> the address on pallas is ... and my client has
[10:57] <blindcoder> esden: okay, thanks
[10:57] <esden> @ blindcoder 
[10:57] <esden> blindcoder: de nada
[10:58] <blindcoder> still busy reworking the packet counting code
[10:58] <blindcoder> it's kinda fucked up
[11:08] <esden> ROFL .... /me dying -> http://www.soufoaklin.com/tattooartist.html
[11:09] <esden> how stupid one can be ... to let write something on ones skin ... not knowing how it should look like ... >_<
[11:09] <daja77> LOL
[11:09] <esden> that is pure stupidity
[11:10] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[11:10] <esden> blindcoder: ack ... FULL ack :)
[11:10] <blindcoder> that's why I'm never ever getting a tattoo :D
[11:10] <esden> blindcoder: no ... that is not the reason ... you should _KNOW_ what you want
[11:10] <blindcoder> true :
[11:10] <blindcoder> true :)
[11:11] <esden> KNOW =? KWON ?
[11:11] <esden> looks very similar
[11:11] <blindcoder> ?
[11:12] <esden> your kendo stuff ... is made by which firm?
[11:12] <esden> is there nothing made by KWON?
[11:12] <blindcoder> my bag is made by KWON
[11:12] <esden> see ... 
[11:12] <esden> that means ... that the name is derivated from KNOW
[11:12] <blindcoder> as well as the armor
[11:12] <esden> that means that the guys have a clue
[11:13] <blindcoder> hakama, keiko-gi and shinai aren't
[11:13] <esden> ahh ... ok ... 
[11:13] <esden> I had some of my belts made by KWON
[11:13] <esden> but my gi was from some other manufacturer
[11:15] <owl> esden: argh. shit. get on well soon
[11:16] <esden> O_O .. what? ... do not scream so hard .. my head is aking
[11:16] <owl> esden: because of your "grippe" ;)
[11:16] <owl> do you have "husten", too?
[11:16] <esden> ack ... very hard
[11:17] <esden> and nose is dripping and so on
[11:17] <owl> went to a doc already? if not, go to one... currently there's a virus going round with "lungenentzuendung", fever and so...
[11:18] <owl> esden: sinupret forte :P if not you will have a sinnusitis too. :p
[11:18] <esden> owl ... today I will move no milimeter out of house
[11:19] <owl> esden: hrm. bad. do you have antibiotika at home? maybe amoxicilin - high dose...?
[11:20] <esden> nope ... I believe in my inner powers ... I barly get ill ... once in 5 years hard ... (a little cold from time to time but that is "vernachlaessigbar")
[11:20] <esden> I do not think that I get really ill ... tomorrow should be better
[11:20] <esden> when I stay home today
[11:21] <owl> hrm. not this... it takes some weeks to get to "normal state" again... as said: it's a virus-infect... almost everybody has it... /me already had it 
[11:23] <esden> hrm ... when it does not get better till tomorrow I will go to a doctor
[11:23] <esden> for sure
[11:23] <owl> yeah, good choice. and belive me: it won't get better :)
[11:24] <owl> btw, you feel a bit dehydrated (especially the throat), too?
[11:24] <esden> humm ... yesterday ... but today no more
[11:25] <esden> but it was based on the hard cough I had
[11:25] <owl> lucky man ;) 
[11:25] <owl> sure? ;) 
[11:25] <esden> sure!
[11:25] <owl> i hope so for you ;)
[11:27] <blindcoder> lunchtime
[11:27] <owl> blindcoder: guten hunger
[11:46] <owl> esden: http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/tiere/wellensittiche/merlin_und_gandalf/pic_0014.jpg.html this is my bird with original-color btw ;)
[12:10] <blindcoder> thx
[12:16] <owl> well. /me off for "reklamation" now. bbl
[12:19] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[12:19] <blindcoder> owl: your laptop? :D
[13:10] <esden> very interesting ... Stanley Kubrick's life is very interesting
[13:11] <esden> that man was not bored ;)
[13:11] <esden> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Kubrick <- see here if you are interested
[13:12] <esden> owl: very nice ... this blue is beautyfull!
[13:23] <blindcoder> *click*
[13:23] <blindcoder> /whois stanley_kubrick
[13:25] <blindcoder> 504 Gateway Timeout
[13:25] <blindcoder> :(
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[15:39] <owl> blindcoder: *kick* nah, the dockingstation
[15:42] <blindcoder> owl: hehe
[15:42] <blindcoder> owl: sorry, I just *had* to ask
[15:45] <th> owl: docking for the thinkpad?
[15:58] <owl> blindcoder: *kick*
[15:58] <owl> th: nah. a docking-station connected via usb... gave it a trial... ;)
[16:00] <th> sounds crappy
[16:00] <owl> yeah ;) it was
[16:00] <th> and i'd call it "port-replicator"
[16:00] <owl> the ps/2-stuff worked...
[16:00] <daja77> usb the sound of crap ...
[16:00] <owl> hmmm more or less. yeah
[16:00] <owl> at least i have my money back now ;)
[16:26] <esden> re hi all
[16:27] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[16:27] <blindcoder> and bbl
[16:27] Action: esden slept veeery well ;)
[16:44] <esden> ok ... I am hungry
[17:41] <owl> re
[17:54] <esden> moin owl 
[17:55] <owl> hi esden . how's your head?
[17:59] <esden> owl: much beter ...
[17:59] <owl> good :)
[17:59] <esden> sleep helped a lot
[18:00] Action: esden sipping aronia tea
[18:00] <blindcoder> re
[18:01] <esden> re blindcoder 
[18:01] <daja77> blindcoder: how long would it take to uploag 2.9gb to your place?
[18:02] <blindcoder> daja77: around 2.5 hours
[18:02] <daja77> ah ok
[18:02] <blindcoder> so go ahead :)
[18:02] <daja77> have tar'ed and bzipped the two builds
[18:02] <blindcoder> esden: *hug*
[18:02] <daja77> they are still at home
[18:02] <blindcoder> okay
[18:03] <daja77> but tomorrow it could happen, if I get them away from there somehow
[18:03] <blindcoder> so no more fsckups with D state?
[18:03] <daja77> well I it was d+ but I ignored it and just waited a few hours and it somehow worked
[18:04] <blindcoder> heh
[18:04] <blindcoder> damn I/O bottleneck
[18:04] <daja77> ack
[18:17] <owl> wb blindcoder 
[18:19] <blindcoder> thx
[18:20] <blindcoder> esden: bah, I only had 8/10 right :(
[18:41] <netrunner> hi
[18:42] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[18:42] <blindcoder> how's russia?
[18:42] <netrunner> big.
[18:42] <netrunner> cold.
[18:42] <blindcoder> hehe
[19:13] <netrunner> oh, mysql 5.0
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[19:15] <demian> hi
[19:16] <owl> hi demian 
[19:16] <demian> miss. ;-)
[19:17] <blindcoder> moin demian 
[19:17] <demian> anyone knows about a PPP server using a USB modem?
[19:18] <owl> <- not
[19:18] <demian> i am not 100% sure if i will have conflicts if using an USB modem instead of a serial one, teorically i think it should work, but the best knowledge is the empiric one.
[19:20] <blindcoder> demian: if it's good, it uses a usb-to-serial protocol
[19:20] <blindcoder> so then you can use /dev/tts/USB0 or something
[19:22] <demian> usb-to-serial protocol is embedded in the modem or is it forced via software ?
[19:25] <demian> like an emulation.. umm.. there are USB to serial adapters too.
[19:27] <blindcoder> in the modem
[19:27] <blindcoder> if it's in software, it's a proprietary protocol and must be avoided
[19:31] <esden> blindcoder: lol ... you looooser ... go back to school! :)
[19:31] <esden> *cough* *atshi*
[19:32] <blindcoder> :P
[19:32] <blindcoder> esden: I made that mistake with the translation
[19:32] <blindcoder> esden: and then another which I'm not able to track down
[19:33] <esden> perhups with the array of numbers
[19:33] <esden> 2 is a meridian
[19:33] <blindcoder> got that right
[19:33] <blindcoder> good guess, but right :)
[19:33] <esden> strange
[19:33] <esden> that was one I had my problems with
[19:33] <blindcoder> well, I'll have a look later
[19:34] <esden> I was not 100% sure about that
[19:34] <esden> blindcoder: kk
[19:34] <blindcoder> I chose "whole number" since I thought "unsigned integer" :P
[19:34] <esden> yes ... common mistake
[19:36] Action: netrunner going home
[19:36] <blindcoder> hehe
[19:36] <blindcoder> sven is bashing emacs again :)
[19:37] <esden> ohh ... where ... wanna read!!!
[19:37] <esden> I love emacs bashing ;)
[19:37] <blindcoder> email
[19:37] <esden> :(
[19:38] <esden> I hoped it is a blog
[19:38] <blindcoder> I don't think he's got one
[19:38] <esden> amazing how the "new" technology took me in ... blogs, podcasts, photoblogs ... amazing
[19:39] <esden> I really ask myself what comes next
[19:39] <blindcoder> I don't really want to know ;(
[19:39] <esden> why?
[19:40] <blindcoder> don't know
[19:40] <blindcoder> I just don't want to know
[19:40] <esden> ok ... I missed vlogs ...
[19:40] <blindcoder> there's too many buzzwords flying around right now
[19:40] <esden> but I watch only tiki bar
[19:40] <blindcoder> AJAX and Ruby on Rails being the most recent ones I know
[19:40] <esden> yuck ... ruby on rails sucks
[19:41] <blindcoder> no idea
[19:41] <blindcoder> I haven't had a look at it
[19:41] <blindcoder> I prefer stuff that gets the job done :P
[19:41] <esden> I am happy to know someone who developed something _much_ better
[19:41] <esden> sadly it is commercial
[19:41] <esden> but it will get released open source as soon as the next version comes out
[19:41] <blindcoder> clifford && SPL? :)
[19:41] <esden> that will kill ruby on rails
[19:41] <esden> blindcoder: nope :P
[19:42] <blindcoder> I don't know
[19:42] <blindcoder> what's ruby on rails supposed to be good at?
[19:42] <blindcoder> train simulation?
[19:43] Action: blindcoder casting himself into his bed, brb
[19:44] <esden> blindcoder: nope ... it is a database abstraction middleware ...
[19:44] <blindcoder> back
[19:44] <blindcoder> middleware...
[19:44] <esden> intended for web development
[19:44] <blindcoder> when did THAT term come up, anyway?
[19:44] <blindcoder> and what's it supposed to be?
[19:44] <blindcoder> I have a frontend and a backend
[19:44] <blindcoder> where's the middleware supposed to be?
[19:45] <esden> it is a library in most cases ... that sits between two things
[19:45] <esden> in this case between database and web application
[19:45] <blindcoder> so it's an abstraction layer?
[19:45] <esden> can be an abstraction ... but it can also add some functionality
[19:46] <blindcoder> then it's a toolkit
[19:46] <esden> or improve the ease of use of an interface
[19:46] <blindcoder> remind me to rant about buzzwords
[19:46] <esden> no a toolkit does not have a defined backend
[19:46] <esden> it does not need something beind it nesseserely
[19:47] <esden> but a toolkit can in most cases also be defined as a middleware
[19:47] <esden> but it is combined with gui workings in the most cases
[19:47] <blindcoder> /dev/random is my backend!
[19:47] <blindcoder> ROCK is a toolkit, but not a GUI working
[19:48] <esden> and your soul is the middleware ... and your freaky face is the frontend ... yes right :D
[19:48] <blindcoder> soul is the invention of religions. I'm not into religions :P
[19:48] <esden> yes right ... but rock does not have a hard defined backend ... 
[19:48] <esden> and shell is not a backend it is an environment
[19:48] <blindcoder> it does: .desc files :P
[19:48] <esden> nope blindcoder ... :P
[19:49] <blindcoder> sure
[19:49] <blindcoder> so the backend is the filesystem
[19:49] <esden> no ... it is the working environment
[19:49] <esden> if rock would be made for managing files and directories ... then you may call it a middleware
[19:49] <esden> a middleware for managing files and directories
[19:49] <blindcoder> so what is the subversion fsfs backend?
[19:50] <blindcoder> hmm
[19:50] <demian> bdb ?
[19:50] <blindcoder> so the Linux VFS would be that strange middleware thingie?
[19:50] <blindcoder> demian: you don't want to use bdb
[19:50] <blindcoder> noone does
[19:50] <esden> blindcoder: yes you want to use bdb when you are serving svn over webdav ...
[19:50] <demian> svn doesnt not uses dbd for their repositories ?
[19:51] <blindcoder> esden: I serve svn over webdav with fsfs backend
[19:51] <blindcoder> demian: hell, NO! It's too slow and too incompatible between versions
[19:51] <esden> it is faster then fsfs ... but not suitable when many concurrent users over the svn, file and svn+ssh protocol
[19:51] <demian> i use it for svn servers under windows too, so i could easily sincronize it with other svns under linux also using bdb.
[19:51] <blindcoder> esden: I remember a ROCK checkout with bdb being slow as hell
[19:52] <blindcoder> demian: use svm for that
[19:52] <demian> svm ? google-ing..
[19:52] <esden> blindcoder: there were arguments for bdb ... but please do not ask my now where ... in the most cases it is correct ... you want to use fsfs
[19:52] Action: blindcoder is having some wasabi coated green peas *shares with #rocklinux*
[19:52] <esden> but there are situations like the webdav access were bdb is better ... IIRC
[19:53] <esden> blindcoder: I just ate the last pea in my box
[19:53] <blindcoder> esden: I just made svn run as group www, so everithing is fine here :)
[19:53] <blindcoder> esden: o_O
[19:53] <esden> I have to get anotherone from ingolstadt to rosenheim :(
[19:53] <blindcoder> esden: you still HAD some today?
[19:53] <esden> I still have 7 boxes or so in ingolstadt :P
[19:53] <blindcoder> O_O
[19:54] <esden> it is not my main meal
[19:54] <blindcoder> you really save them
[19:54] <blindcoder> oh,okay :)
[19:54] <blindcoder> I sometimes have a box for dinner
[19:54] <esden> I think I would puke if I had one full box on one time
[19:55] <blindcoder> no
[19:55] <blindcoder> You'd just have a "veraetzung" on your tongue
[19:55] <esden> damn my tea is empty
[19:55] Action: esden making another mug
[19:55] <blindcoder> and everything would taste like metal for a few days
[19:55] <esden> urgh
[19:57] <demian> nice to know about svm.
[19:57] <blindcoder> demian: 
[19:57] <blindcoder> demian: I use it for mirroring the rock-linux and mine repositories to fisheye.rocklinux.org
[19:58] <demian> btw i foudn a pdf doc at clifford.at about submaster and distributed software development
[19:58] <blindcoder> yeah, he's done a bit abotu that
[20:07] <demian> bah, i hate when a product manufacturer doesnt show more technical info about a product: http://www.digiconcepts.com/cnet_modems_03.htm
[20:07] <demian> and more when it is a Cnet one! 
[20:07] <blindcoder> isn't that normal these days?
[20:08] <demian> sure, i will be forced to buy that one only because i have no enough info about this and another modems. :s .. i just hope it will work.
[20:08] <blindcoder> try looking up some forums before
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[20:16] <blindcoder> esden: are you leeching again? :P
[20:17] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHHA
[20:18] <blindcoder> www.crash-override.net has been accessed from a symbian OS!1!
[20:21] <demian> "Note that for USB modems, the correct port to use is not the serial port ttyS? series but probably the /dev/usb/acm/? series of ports, where ? is a usb number. I have never used a usb modem, so can provide no guidance on setting them up correctly."
[20:21] <demian> ok, i will try on those device nodes.
[20:22] <demian> have a nice day guys.
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[20:24] <blindcoder> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2004/10/top_11_geek_kitchen.html
[20:24] <blindcoder> MVAHAHAHAHAHA
[20:24] <blindcoder> I love in jokes :D
[20:24] <blindcoder> see #5
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[20:43] <esden> blindcoder: nope ...
[20:43] <esden> not really
[20:44] <esden> but I am thinking about starting to leach
[20:44] <esden> I need something badly :/
[20:44] <blindcoder> 252 MB between 18:00 and 19:00
[20:44] <esden> but first I have to find it
[20:44] <esden> huh?
[20:44] <blindcoder> maybe I'm just too sensitive :)
[20:45] <esden> oook .. that may be the new podcast I downloaded
[20:45] <blindcoder> hehe
[20:46] <esden> ahh ... ok ... and the accoona crawler is sucking up my whole site
[20:47] <esden> currently getting crazy about my gallery ;)
[20:47] <owl> [x] people = shit.
[20:48] <owl> why getting crazy about your gallery?
[20:48] <blindcoder> esden: it crawled fisheye yesterday...
[20:48] <blindcoder> esden: boy, did that make LOAD
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[21:35] <esden> blindcoder: now I am leaching ;)
[21:36] <blindcoder> esden: have fun :)
[21:36] <esden> but 154mb by 12kb/s is not very fast *sigh*
[21:37] <esden> eta 210min
[21:37] <blindcoder> 12 kB/sec ?
[21:37] <blindcoder> why so few?
[21:37] <esden> the server hangs on a dsl line
[21:37] <esden> a slow dsl line
[21:37] <blindcoder> eww
[22:08] <esden> I will kill the one who invented viruses and bacteria !!! >_<
[22:08] <esden> damn microorganisms!
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