[00:30] <owl> esden: ?
[00:32] <esden> owl: ??
[00:32] <esden> still 24MB to go
[00:33] <esden> then I finally have a good image processing software ... WOOT ;)
[00:33] <owl> esden: why do you want to kill microorganimn? ;)
[00:33] <owl> O_O gimp?
[00:34] <esden> nope ... gimp is missing some functionality I need
[00:34] <owl> hm. k.
[00:34] <esden> and the filters are not so good ... and the interface sucks
[00:34] <owl> *g* 
[00:34] <esden> the previews are too small and crappy to use
[00:34] <esden> the guys at gimp still have a lot work to do
[00:34] <owl> hmmm. dunno. i am seldom using gimp... 
[00:34] <esden> untill it is really good software
[00:35] <esden> owl: what do you use?
[00:35] <owl> ack. 
[00:35] <owl> photoimpact
[00:35] <esden> oha ... what is that? I do not know that one
[00:36] <owl> it's a - quite powerful but more simple (basically) - solution for image editing 
[00:36] <owl> let me guess: you are using photoshop? ;)
[00:40] <esden> owl: I hope to be able to use it in the future ;)
[00:41] <esden> 20MB to go
[00:41] <owl> esden: *g* it's too complicated imho...
[00:42] <esden> humm ... can be ... but it has filter stacks ... so that you can manipulate every step of your work you have done afterwords
[00:42] <owl> especially for things which could be done in 2 clicks with PI. 
[00:42] <esden> I was really missing that feature in gimp
[00:42] <owl> hehe. ok
[00:42] <esden> and it runs natively under OS X ... where gimp needs X11
[00:43] <esden> that is pretty annoying 
[00:44] <owl> y?
[00:44] <esden> wow ... amazing image: http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/DayTrips/January_25_2005/tn/crw_6678.med.jpg
[00:44] <esden> bit small though :(
[00:45] <owl> O_o looks strange
[00:49] <esden> like floating on clouds
[00:49] <esden> I like the image
[00:49] <esden> owl: if you like photography you should join #photogeeks
[00:49] <esden> the guys are posting really nice photographs
[00:49] <owl> hehe, maybe if in better mood... and more awake *having streichhoelzer in eyes*
[00:49] <esden> http://www.deviantart.com/view/24354187/ <- like this one for example
[00:49] <esden> it could be cropped a bit if you ask me but I really like it
[00:49] <owl> hrm. me not... ;)
[00:50] <esden> owl: what has mood to do with looking at photographs
[00:50] <esden> ?
[00:50] <esden> owl: you not?
[00:50] <esden> why?
[00:50] <owl> esden: being often too unmotivated to copy & past links ;)
[00:50] <owl> esden: it's imho a bit too simple and the atmosphere is strange in a way i could not discribe
[00:50] <esden> get a terminal that highlights links automatically ... so that you can click on them :P
[00:50] <owl> describe
[00:51] <owl> nah, i have... but... still have to dopy and paste
[00:51] <owl> copy and past
[00:51] <owl> paste
[00:51] <esden> owl: bad config :P
[00:51] <esden> kk ... np
[00:51] <owl> .oO( ok, my fingers are already frozen )
[00:51] <esden> as you whish
[00:51] <owl> thx ;)
[00:51] <esden> erm ... close the window
[00:51] <esden> or use gloves
[00:52] <esden> or compute something on your laptop so that it gets worm ;)
[00:52] <esden> warm
[00:52] <owl> the window is closed, but i am dead - aeh - tired. but there's a blanket 2 metres away. but my motivation is not with me
[00:52] <owl> hrm. it has 46 °C ;)
[00:53] <esden> so you have to move your fingers more ... it seems that your blood is not circulating correctly ;)
[00:53] <owl> yeah :)
[00:54] <owl> .oO( "zusammenrollen" would be also an alternative )
[00:55] <owl> sigh. i want a higher temp. outside :(
[00:55] <esden> turn your heating higher
[00:55] <esden> get your blanket .. and stop complaining :P
[00:56] <owl> it's high... :( and i got the blanket
[00:56] <owl> (to be exactly: 2 blankets)
[00:56] <owl> but - you know - i am female... -> frozen during the whole winter
[00:56] <esden> I sit here without a blanket because it was to warm
[00:56] <esden> hehe 
[00:56] <esden> true
[00:56] <owl> hehe 
[00:57] <owl> O_O telepathy
[00:57] <owl> too warm? you have fever?
[00:57] <esden> woot woot woot only another 10mb to go
[00:57] <esden> owl: dunno ... I do not have a thermometer
[00:57] <owl> esden: *g* congrats. 
[00:58] <owl> tssss. you should get one
[00:58] <esden> :P ... I do not need one ... I will be totaly healthy tomorrow
[00:58] <esden> I define it that way it has to be so!
[00:58] <owl> *g* yeah, sure. this is why you hate virii ;)
[00:58] <esden> I have to get back to FH ... I have stuff to learn and to do
[00:58] <esden> even if such a day off at home comes handy from time to time
[00:59] <esden> owl: ack
[00:59] <owl> hmmm. you should be careful. it's really no fun if you're attending the courses while being ill... normally takes some weeks longer to get on well, tehn....
[00:59] <esden> urgh ... that are fscking big apple displays! http://micjohn.dnsalias.com/pictures/2-23-05.jpg
[01:00] <esden> owl: I do not care ... I have no time for being ill!
[01:00] <esden> *cough* *cough*
[01:00] <owl> yeah, a bit large. but fscking w*something
[01:00] <owl> it will get worse :p believe me *g*
[01:00] <owl> become
[01:00] <owl> even
[01:01] <esden> nope it will not!!!
[01:01] <owl> it will. ask your doc ;)
[01:01] Action: esden putting his hands on his ears and singing "lalalalalalalala"
[01:01] <owl> "bettruhe" is what you want ;p
[01:01] Action: owl shots with "tempotaschtentuchpackungen"
[01:01] <esden> autsch
[01:01] <esden> that hurts!
[01:02] <owl> yeah, extremely. but you can take it with you :p
[01:02] Action: esden shooting with "kuechenrolle" (my "taschentuch" replacement)
[01:02] <owl> .oO( just in case your nose runs amok )
[01:02] <owl> *g* 
[01:02] <esden> it does it already .. thanks :)
[01:02] <esden> troeeeeet
[01:02] <owl> hehe ;p "wettschneutzen" - new olympic disciplin?
[01:03] <esden> my stomach is aking already from cleaning my nose and coughing ... so I think it is a sports discipline :)
[01:03] <esden> 2mb to go
[01:04] <esden> wooot woot
[01:04] <owl> tssss. hopefully you know a good doc ;)
[01:04] <esden> I do not know any doc here ;)
[01:04] <owl> that's bad. 
[01:05] <esden> no it is not ... I do not need a doctor!.
[01:05] <esden> <dot>
[01:05] <owl> *g* 
[01:05] <owl> .oO( sturkopf )
[01:05] <esden> :P
[01:05] <esden> I am healthy
[01:06] <esden> that is it!
[01:06] <esden> *cough*
[01:06] <owl> *lol* 
[01:07] <owl> how many centimetres of taschentuecherschichten do you produce/day? ;) half of an trash? 
[01:08] <owl> and you feel phlegm into your throat and espcially while coughing?
[01:08] <esden> I do not answer that questions! they are private matter! :P
[01:09] <owl> exactly :)
[01:09] <owl> because you know that you have the symtoms described ;)
[01:10] <owl> nah, but you should really go to the doc... the chance that it is a lungenentzuendung ist quite high, there's really a virus (and it is really a _virus_ not just a bacteriological infection) floating arround...
[01:13] <esden> ooook I will go to a doc tomorrow ooook?
[01:13] <esden> woot download finished ... installing
[01:13] <esden> wooot wooot
[01:13] <owl> yeah, ok ;)
[01:13] <owl> enjoy it (installing)
[01:14] <esden> I do!
[01:14] <esden> but I want to enjoy using it!
[01:14] Action: owl enjoys listening to the "luftbefeuchter" and cpu-cooler *yawn*
[01:14] <owl> *g* i guess this is a bit more difficult
[01:15] <esden> woot installed
[01:15] <esden> my god is that thing biggy
[01:15] <esden> 150 mb or so
[01:15] Action: esden closing gimp
[01:15] <owl> hehe. what did you expect? ;)
[01:16] <esden> dunono ... 10mb? *GG*
[01:16] <owl> *cough* PS? .oO( you have fever )
[01:18] <owl> oopsala. my clock is misconfigured
[01:18] <esden> o_O?
[01:18] <owl> 03:20 (on my thinkpad)
[01:20] <esden> lol
[01:20] <esden> no it is not that late
[01:21] <owl> yeah, i saw it on my vserver's clock ;)
[01:23] <owl> the swsusp-patches confused my whole system a bit... my clock also - as it looks
[01:27] <owl> *headshake* i go to bed now 
[01:27] <owl> gn8. sleep well, esden 
[01:30] <esden> my holy god ... is that thing cool
[01:30] <esden> now I finally can work propperly!
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[08:05] <blindcoder> moin
[09:19] <esden> moin
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[09:23] <blindcoder> moin moin esden 
[09:27] <esden> damn ... 
[09:27] <esden> I see now that I should have woken up earlier ..
[09:27] <blindcoder> hehe
[09:27] <esden> I still have to eat and take half a ton medicine ... and only 15 till lecture starts
[09:27] <blindcoder> well, I miraculously got out of bed at 06:40 today
[09:28] <esden> urgh ... blindcoder 
[09:28] <esden> You are a sleep master ;)
[09:28] <esden> you 0wn it ;)
[09:28] <esden> and I finally have a good image processing program
[09:29] <esden> I am really amazed how much better it is then gimp ... usabilitywise ... performancewise ... and interfacewise
[09:29] <esden> guys at gimp still have a loooong way to go
[09:29] <blindcoder> esden: which program?
[09:30] <esden> you may bet three times
[09:30] <blindcoder> photoshop?
[09:30] <esden> ack
[09:30] <blindcoder> sweet
[09:33] <esden> I will have to buy it as soon as I can ... but I currently really can not afford 1.039,00Eur at the moment
[09:34] <blindcoder> *cry*
[09:34] <blindcoder> missing right curly brace at EOF
[09:34] <blindcoder> *snif*
[09:34] <blindcoder> YAY, found it :)
[09:34] <esden> hurgh?
[09:36] <blindcoder> esden: perl, missing }
[09:39] <esden> aaaha ... everything will be ok blindy ...
[09:43] <blindcoder> :P
[10:29] <esden> damn can someone borrow me 700eur? :D
[10:29] <esden> or even better sponsor? *GG*
[10:31] <blindcoder> not really
[10:31] <blindcoder> because I know I'll never see them again :P
[10:32] <esden> o_O?
[10:32] <blindcoder> also, I don't have that much spare
[10:35] <blindcoder> *phew*
[10:36] <blindcoder> I feel like I have rewritten dragon almost completely right now
[10:36] <esden> lol
[10:36] <esden> what have you changed?
[10:36] <esden> what have you made better?
[10:40] <blindcoder> well
[10:40] <blindcoder> I totally rearranged the creation of the iptables rules
[10:40] <blindcoder> until now, the rules were put into INPUT and OUTPUT chains
[10:40] <blindcoder> which caused a number of problems:
[10:41] <blindcoder> a) conflicts with other iptables using programs
[10:41] <blindcoder> b) traffic being counted twice
[10:41] <blindcoder> both are no-nos
[10:41] <blindcoder> so, now I do this:
[10:41] <blindcoder> all incoming traffic is routed to the DRAGON_INPUT chain
[10:42] <blindcoder> there it will first be checked against the blacklist (ip addresses that we don't count because traffic to/from them is free)
[10:42] <blindcoder> then it will be routed to the DRAGONPROGRAM_INPUT chain
[10:42] <blindcoder> there it will be accounted onto a specific connection and returned to the DRAGON_INPUT chain
[10:43] <blindcoder> if that specific connection isn't registered yet, it will "fall through" on the DRAGONPROGRAM_INPUT chain onto the programs listening socket and THEN returned to the DRAGON_INPUT chain
[10:43] <blindcoder> then the packet will be routed to the DRAGONUSER_INPUT chain from the DRAGON_INPUT chain and accounted onto a user
[10:43] <blindcoder> and immediately returned to the DRAGON_INPUT chain
[10:44] <blindcoder> on the DRAGON_INPUT chain it will then be accounted on the TOTAL_TRAFFIC rule and returned to the INPUT chain
[10:44] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:44] <esden> you should draw a graph for that
[10:44] <blindcoder> I guess I need to visualize this
[10:44] <esden> this is a bit covfusing
[10:44] <esden> yes you are right ;)
[10:44] <blindcoder> confusing, but absolutely logical
[10:44] <blindcoder> waitaminute
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[10:49] <blindcoder> esden: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/dragon_works
[10:51] <esden> ahh ... ok ... now it is a bit more clear
[10:51] <blindcoder> hehe :)
[10:51] <esden> now it is having it's own path and not coliding with other systems
[10:51] <blindcoder> *nod*
[10:51] <esden> but .. is that not a bit more power consuming?
[10:52] <esden> I hope that will not slow the network compleatly down ...
[10:52] <blindcoder> that needs to be tried
[10:53] <esden> kk
[10:53] <blindcoder> it should be faster than before
[10:53] <blindcoder> since now rule traversing stops when a rule is matched
[10:54] <esden> ahh good
[10:54] <blindcoder> I'll now start it on pallas
[10:54] <esden> my god ... what do I have here that takes up so much space?
[10:54] <esden> blindcoder: oook ... do not kill everything ;)
[10:55] <blindcoder> 217M    /home/esdentem/
[10:55] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:55] <blindcoder> no idea :)
[10:55] <esden> nope I mean on my laptop
[10:55] <esden> I have a 80GB disk and have only ~900mb free
[10:55] <blindcoder> oh
[10:56] <esden> and fighting all the time for every 10mb ...
[10:56] <esden> that sucks
[10:56] <blindcoder> wow
[10:57] <blindcoder> 730 rules on pallas ;)
[10:58] <esden> urgh
[10:58] <esden> blindcoder: what are you doing!!
[10:58] <blindcoder> just starting dragon :)
[10:59] <esden> "hat ja auch einen drachenhunger auf regeln"
[10:59] <blindcoder> Finished downloading 37103700 bytes in 10.284 seconds (3607851.000 bytes/sec).
[10:59] <blindcoder> well, not much of a slowdown if at all :)
[11:00] <esden> heh
[11:00] <esden> well well
[11:00] <daja77> http://www.planetdan.net/pics/babies/index.htm
[11:01] <blindcoder> pff
[11:01] <blindcoder> doesn't seem worksafe
[11:01] <daja77> cu later
[11:02] <netrunner> moin
[11:03] <netrunner> esden: I noticed that my squid logs had grown to 50% of my root hd last week.
[11:04] <esden> daja77: wonderfull ... the comments are so sweet ... @_@
[11:04] <esden> netrunner: what have you done?
[11:04] <netrunner> esden: well, 3 years of logs ...
[11:04] <esden> leaching whole pron sites?
[11:05] <netrunner> esden: the squid logs are not cought by the standard logrotation, because they are not in /var/log. maybe you have the same issue?
[11:06] <esden> no no ... I have no squid running ... and my /var/log is only 6mb big
[11:06] <esden> but I think that it is my iTunes music collection + Virtual PC windows installation + iPhoto gallery that takes up so much space
[11:07] <esden> humm ... the photo gallery is only 2.1GB big
[11:07] <esden> iTunes is 18GB
[11:08] <esden> Virtual PC is 11GB
[11:08] <owl> moin
[11:08] <esden> 31GB total ... still missing space :/
[11:09] <blindcoder> moin moin owl 
[11:09] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[11:09] <esden> moin owl 
[11:09] <esden> owl: back to life?
[11:09] <owl> hi esden 
[11:09] <owl> nah. not yet. still "streichhoelzer" needed. you?
[11:10] <esden> I am ok ... 
[11:10] <owl> healthy status: 100 %? O_o
[11:10] <owl> -y
[11:10] <esden> I will leave in some moments for the city ... to buy some things like tea
[11:10] <esden> no not 100% but I am ok
[11:11] <esden> I can live with that
[11:11] <owl> and visit the doc *cough* :p
[11:11] <esden> :p
[11:11] <owl> ;)
[11:11] <esden> my god ... how big is my projects directory?!?
[11:11] <esden> it takes ages to run du -sh
[11:11] <esden> ok ... it is 9.8GB big
[11:11] <esden> humm
[11:12] <owl> wtf are you doing?
[11:13] <owl> brb (making tea)
[11:14] <esden> ahh I have a rocklinux checkout here
[11:15] <esden> rm -rf rock
[11:15] <blindcoder> heh
[11:15] <blindcoder> a plain checkout is only 120 MB or so
[11:15] <blindcoder> including svn metadata
[11:16] <esden> hehe ... I have 3GB here worth of data
[11:16] <esden> that is including tar.bz2's
[11:20] <owl> re
[11:20] <esden> woot cleaning up my projects directory bumped up my free space to 6GB
[11:20] <esden> woot!
[11:20] <esden> now I can leave
[11:20] <esden> cu guys
[11:21] <blindcoder> bye
[11:25] <owl> bye esden 
[11:26] <blindcoder> lunchtime
[11:26] <blindcoder> bbl
[11:26] <owl> bye blindcoder 
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[12:03] <blindcoder> back
[12:05] <owl> wb
[12:05] <blindcoder> thx
[12:19] <netrunner> why is stupid OO2 only as .rpm ?
[12:19] <blindcoder> because OOo is discriminating against non-rpm-distributions
[12:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: have you tried the rpm's?
[12:20] <owl> haha. rpm2tgz is your friend, netrunner 
[12:21] <blindcoder> netrunner: nope
[12:21] <owl> netrunner: rpms not, but tar.gzs (created out of rpms)
[12:21] <blindcoder> owl: that is from alien, I suppose. Alien has... issues with rights
[12:21] <netrunner> Fehler: Failed dependencies:
[12:21] <netrunner>         /bin/sh is needed by openoffice.org-core10-2.0.0-3
[12:21] <owl> blindcoder: nah. not alien
[12:22] Action: netrunner has no rpm2tgz in his generic installation :(
[12:23] <owl> netrunner: do you want the .tgzs...? if yes i could make a large tarball...
[12:24] <netrunner> owl: I am reading how to use rpm2cpio and then cpio to create something usable.
[12:25] <owl> ah. ok.. 
[12:25] <owl> and: at least in slackware-current there is a rpm2targz in the bin-package
[12:28] <netrunner> rpm2tgz is just a wrapper for rpm2cpio and cpio
[12:28] <owl> ok ;)
[12:31] Action: netrunner using alien.
[12:31] <netrunner> blindcoder: mine -p alien says it is GPL, where do you see issues?
[12:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: filesystem right
[12:32] <blindcoder> s
[12:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: last time I used it my /usr was suddenly 0.0 700
[12:32] <blindcoder> as well as all other directories that were processed by alien
[12:33] <netrunner> blindcoder: after installation or while converting?
[12:36] <blindcoder> after installation
[12:37] <daja77> hm do we have an spl package *searching*
[12:41] <netrunner> blindcoder: well, it seems to create the first directory as 700 :)
[12:42] Action: netrunner missing setup in openoffice
[12:43] <owl> netrunner: just type "soffice" after adding the path....
[12:49] <blindcoder> daja77: don't think so
[12:50] <netrunner> blindcoder: don't encrypted swap and swsusp bite eachother?
[12:51] <blindcoder> netrunner: I think they do
[12:52] <th> where does the sw-un-susp happen?
[12:52] <th> i thought that would be sort of user-space-triggered?
[12:53] <blindcoder> th: a kernel parameter
[12:54] <th> hmm
[12:54] <th> that needs to be hookable
[12:55] <netrunner> th: it might be that swsusp writes raw onto the swap device. and it might further be that it does not change the key because it is not unmounted.
[12:56] <blindcoder> well, it _might_ work
[12:56] <blindcoder> but I never tried swsusp
[12:57] <netrunner> how to give cvs password in download urls?
[12:57] <th> netrunner: aehm. "swsusp" has a key?
[12:57] <netrunner> another :?
[12:58] <netrunner> th: no. but it should not touch the system state ... it does not unmount other devices either. and it uses swap for swapping all programs out of memory, so it should stay intact.
[12:58] Action: netrunner looking around for poor victim to try this
[12:58] <stf^rocklinux> cvs example:  cvs://pserver:anonymous@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/ffmpeg::ffmpeg/!2005-10-21/
[12:58] Action: blindcoder looks at netrunner 
[12:59] <stf^rocklinux> anonymous is the password in this case
[12:59] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: thx, already read in the source.
[12:59] <daja77> the mplayer domain is up again?
[13:00] <netrunner>         # cvs://mode:[login[:password]@]server[:port]:/path::module!revision/
[13:00] <blindcoder>  cvs://mode:[login[:password]@]server[:port]:/path::module!revision
[13:00] <netrunner> blindcoder: faster :)
[13:00] <blindcoder> netrunner: had to search in rockdoc first :P
[13:00] <th> could anyone enlighten me what the difference between $1$ and $apr1$ salt is?
[13:01] <th> is the latter from the apr lib (apache)?
[13:01] <blindcoder> th: where did you see that?
[13:01] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: anonymous is the usrname in that case btw.
[13:02] <th> blindcoder: htpasswd -m crypts
[13:04] <blindcoder> th: givs me the USAGE message
[13:04] <th> blindcoder: "htpasswd -m"-crypts
[13:04] <th> blindcoder: crypts generated by "htpasswd -m ..."
[13:04] <blindcoder> ah
[13:06] <netrunner> blindcoder: so for having a file containing a filesystem I still use loop-mount and then use dm-crypt on that loop device?
[13:09] <blindcoder> netrunner: correct
[13:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: http://shellscripts.org/project/dmscripts
[13:13] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: yes
[13:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: rocklinux package name?
[13:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: none
[13:14] <blindcoder> but I guess we could add it to the device-mapper package
[13:14] <netrunner> scripts/Emerge-Pkg none
[13:15] <daja77> blindcoder: upload started
[13:15] <netrunner> blindcoder: is it better than cryptsetup?
[13:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: :P
[13:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: much
[13:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: read the wiki page there
[13:15] <blindcoder> daja77: I noticed ;)
[13:15] <daja77> *gg*
[13:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: http://shellscripts.org/wiki/dmscripts
[13:17] <blindcoder> Total tcp in on 22921461 B in 15703 packets
[13:17] <blindcoder> in one minute, 22 MB :)
[13:18] <daja77> it is at 68mb now
[13:18] <daja77> ;)
[13:20] Action: netrunner in desperate need for accounting mechanism probably using netfilter
[13:21] <blindcoder> netrunner: http://freshmeat.net/projects/utadragon/
[13:21] <blindcoder> *whistles*
[13:22] <netrunner> blindcoder: I already told you, it is missing important features and behaves in very egoistic manner.
[13:22] <blindcoder> it does? Can't remember right now...
[13:23] <blindcoder> actually, the accounting mechanism has totally changed in 0.2.2
[13:23] <netrunner> blindcoder: host based accounting. 
[13:23] <blindcoder> ah, yeah
[13:23] <netrunner> blindcoder: centralized or mergable database
[13:23] <blindcoder> netrunner: mergeable database works now
[13:24] <blindcoder> also on the frontend
[13:24] <blindcoder> daja77: still uploading?
[13:24] Action: netrunner found kvpnc on freshmeat and thinks it sounds good.
[13:25] <blindcoder> besides, mergable database always worked, just not on the frontend :)
[13:26] <blindcoder> netrunner: that doesn't look like an accounting tool :)
[13:27] <blindcoder> netrunner: btw, here is the new dragon how-it-works: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/dragon_works
[13:27] <netrunner> blindcoder: no, I stumbled over it while walking to the freshmeat search field.
[13:27] <netrunner> blindcoder: I already read that some time ago.
[13:27] <netrunner> blindcoder: you'r primary objective is for me only secondary.
[13:28] <blindcoder> I just published it today?
[13:28] Action: blindcoder goes into a corner and sulks
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[13:32] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:32] <blindcoder> guess he's no longer uploading :)
[13:38] <owl> *mampf*
[13:39] <blindcoder> an guadn
[13:41] <owl> thx :) 
[13:52] Action: blindcoder hugs clifford 
[13:52] <owl> blindcoder: ?
[13:53] <blindcoder> he voted for my bootdisk-udev patch :)
[13:53] <blindcoder> brb
[13:54] <owl> hehe
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[13:59] <daja77> damn
[14:15] <blindcoder> daja77: what happened?
[14:16] <daja77> parts of the network broke down, but the scp survived ^^
[14:17] <blindcoder> hehe
[14:18] <blindcoder> daja77: so you made so much traffic that the uni network broke down
[14:19] <daja77> i don't hope so
[14:26] <esden> re hi all
[14:26] <esden> finally back
[14:26] <esden> still have to leave once more to visit the doctor :/
[14:26] <esden> god! I really feel sick ... that sucks!
[14:28] <owl> esden: gute besserung
[14:29] <esden> owl: thanks
[14:29] <esden> but now I have new developed images
[14:30] <esden> I calculated now ... when I develope 4 films in a month ... then in 7 months I can buy myself a 50D with standard lens
[14:30] <esden> that is ill!
[14:30] <owl> *g*
[14:32] <blindcoder> esden: how so?
[14:35] <esden> developing one roll of film costs 26 euro ... 
[14:35] <owl> O_O
[14:35] <esden> with prints and cd
[14:35] <esden> ok ... 
[14:35] <esden> without it it is much cheeper ... but I do not have a scanner :/
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[14:36] <blindcoder> so how can you buy a new cam by developing films?
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[14:36] <esden> when I buy a digital cam ... I do not have to develop films
[14:37] <esden> that means that I do not spend over 100 euro a month for developing films
[14:37] <esden> that means in 7 months I have not spent 700 euro what is equivalent to a new shiny 50D with a standard lens
[14:38] <esden> so if I would buy a 50D and borrowed the money ... and payed every month 100 euro back ... ... now you understand?
[14:41] <blindcoder> ah
[14:41] <blindcoder> okay
[14:45] <owl> greets from my budgies ;)
[14:46] <esden> greets back ;)
[14:46] <owl> thx ;)
[14:46] <esden> my mom said that I am halucinating o_O
[14:46] <owl> huch?
[14:46] <esden> *shocked*
[14:46] <blindcoder> esden: why hallucinating?
[14:46] <blindcoder> esden: thought you have 700 EUR on your bank account? :)
[14:46] <esden> as I said that I think about buying the camera with "finanzierung* :)
[14:47] <owl> *g*
[14:47] <blindcoder> heh
[14:47] <owl> did she also say "don't take so much fotos"? ;)
[14:48] <blindcoder> well, your idea assumes that you _have_ 100 EUR per month
[14:48] <esden> no she said that I must not develop where I have done it this time ;)
[14:48] <esden> blindcoder: yes ... what may not be as true as I would like it to be ;)
[14:49] <blindcoder> esden: just learn to develop them yourself :)
[14:49] <owl> that's also expensive enough...
[14:49] <esden> yes and invest several thousend for equipment ...
[14:49] <esden> sure
[14:51] <owl> several thousands: not really... but chemicals etc. are expensive
[14:51] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[14:51] <blindcoder> Nethack Linux is listed on Wikipedia :)
[14:52] <daja77> hehe
[14:52] <blindcoder> esden: btw, there's a shellscript podcast downloading tool on shellscripts.org :)
[14:53] <esden> rofl
[14:53] <blindcoder> looking through ones referrers sometimes yields interesting results
[14:53] <esden> ahh water for my tea is ready
[14:54] <esden> ok ... now ... come to papa photoshop ;)
[14:55] <blindcoder> oh, an doc.rocklinux.or has already been visited 200x more often this month than last month
[14:55] <th> LQ
[14:56] <blindcoder> probably
[14:56] <blindcoder> jupp: referer: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php hits: 179
[15:04] <netrunner> can it be that I see different data in a cgi script and when using mysql directly?
[15:04] <blindcoder> netrunner: if the cgi filters some data, sure :)
[15:05] <netrunner> blindcoder: well, the cgi has _more_ data.
[15:06] <blindcoder> netrunner: maybe it defines MB as 1000000 Byte
[15:07] <blindcoder> instead of 1048576
[15:07] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's ips. the cgi has 2 ips more than I see by hand.
[15:07] <netrunner> (rows in the db)
[15:07] <esden> ok ... new image online
[15:08] <blindcoder> heh
[15:09] <blindcoder> netrunner: your cgi is on hallucinogens :)
[15:09] Action: netrunner unnoticedly was forwarded to admin interface of demo site.
[15:09] <netrunner> *removingipsfromdemosite*
[15:10] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[15:10] <blindcoder> esden: btw, you read about the necklace with detachable dice?
[15:18] <esden> blindcoder: nope ... ?
[15:20] <blindcoder> http://www.thinkgeek.com/apparel/jewelry/7ae3/
[15:42] <blindcoder> daja77: finished uploading?
[15:56] <esden> cool neckless .. I need one! ;)
[15:56] <esden> humm ... so many nice new photos
[15:57] <esden> I am covered for the next few days
[15:58] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: do you know about the concept of scheduling downtimes in advance?
[16:09] <netrunner> for values of advance larger than 'now'
[16:10] <blindcoder> yes
[16:10] <blindcoder> shutdown -h + 2 hours
[16:11] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:11] <blindcoder> no
[16:11] <blindcoder> wait
[16:11] <blindcoder> root@ceres:~# shutdown -r -k +120
[16:11] <blindcoder> Broadcast message from root (pts/12) (Tue Oct 25 16:12:48 2005):
[16:11] <blindcoder> The system is going DOWN for reboot in 120 minutes!
[16:11] <clifford> how to do it for values lower than 'now' ?
[16:12] <blindcoder> clifford: set the date to now - 2 hours
[16:12] <clifford> so you can schedule a shutdown two hours ago right after you did "rm -rf /"
[16:12] <blindcoder> that's what a backup is for :P
[16:12] <clifford> .. this way the host is then down when the rm command is typed in. ;-)
[16:12] <blindcoder> or rather: a desaster recovery plan :P
[16:12] <blindcoder> OTOH you can try "reannuellen wein", to be imported from the discworld
[16:13] <netrunner> clifford: at least not equal to now.
[16:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: or shutdown -h 20:00
[16:25] <daja77> blindcoder: yep
[16:26] <daja77> it contains my whole build dir with the two builds
[16:26] <netrunner> blindcoder: ok. now we clarified you know the concept, why don't you schedule downtimes more in advance? ;)
[17:39] <blindcoder> daja77: great, thanks
[17:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: mostly because fisheye has an average of 0.7 visitors a day
[18:01] <esden> re
[18:01] <esden> damn doctor
[18:01] <esden> he somehow had closed already
[18:01] <esden> o_O
[18:01] <esden> and I was on time :/
[18:01] <esden> have to be there tomorrow at 8:30 >_<
[18:02] <blindcoder> re esden 
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[19:18] <[raphael]> blindcoder: that fisheye thing, is that a custom-thing-made-by-you?
[19:19] <blindcoder> [raphael]: heh, I wish :)
[19:19] <blindcoder> [raphael]: www.cenqua.com
[19:19] <[raphael]> ah, yeah
[19:20] <[raphael]> is that thing commercial?
[19:20] <blindcoder> yeah
[19:20] <blindcoder> but you get a free licence for open source software
[19:21] <[raphael]> uh, wow, a bunch of money for a server...
[19:22] <[raphael]> clifford: ping
[19:32] <daja77> blindcoder: does it work?
[19:32] <blindcoder> daja77: what?
[19:33] <[raphael]> blindcoder: oh... hmm... that might be interesting, I thought you were just one very-lucky one that got a license for a special deal
[19:33] <daja77> the archive
[19:34] <blindcoder> daja77: haven't tried yet, will do tomorrow
[19:34] <blindcoder> forgot my usb disk at work
[19:35] <daja77> ah ok
[19:39] <blindcoder> hmm
[19:39] <blindcoder> the tobacco is out :(
[19:43] <daja77> you are smoking?
[19:45] <blindcoder> shisha, yes
[19:45] <daja77> ah ^^
[19:45] <daja77> cool, perhaps I buy onein tunesia
[19:47] <blindcoder> tunesia?
[19:47] <daja77> yes I'll be there in november
[19:48] <blindcoder> nice
[19:48] <daja77> :)
[19:48] Action: blindcoder just moved himself into his bed
[19:49] <daja77> *gg*
[19:54] <esden> hehe
[19:54] <esden> ok ... I wrote a review ... 
[19:55] <esden> the most subjective review I ever made ;)
[19:55] <blindcoder> of what?
[19:55] <daja77> about what?
[19:55] <esden> lol
[19:55] <esden> look yourself in my blog :P
[19:58] <blindcoder> so you need a new cam
[19:59] <blindcoder> this month seems to the over-suck
[19:59] <blindcoder> I'm short a few hundred bucks, my heating is fucked up and everything generally feels "wrong" right now
[20:00] <blindcoder> now your cam breaks, too, wonder what's next
[20:00] <daja77> next you meet me at dd ^^
[20:01] <blindcoder> heh
[20:01] <daja77> btw I send the mail to them registering 4 ppl ;)
[20:02] <blindcoder> four?
[20:02] <daja77> yep hannes, antje, you, me
[20:02] <blindcoder> ah, who's antje?
[20:03] <daja77> you know her from clt
[20:04] <blindcoder> ah, the tabler-dance-girl? :)
[20:04] <daja77> yep
[20:04] <esden> urgh .. tabledance?
[20:05] <esden> humm ... if I had money ... :(
[20:05] <esden> daja77: you are torturing me!!!
[20:06] <daja77> you know that I am evil ;)
[20:06] <blindcoder> esden: https://scavenger.homeip.net:444/bilder/cgi-bin/view.sh?WORKDIR=/home/www/bilder/2005-03-06_Chemnitzer_Linux_Tag;id=IMG_1899.jpg
[20:06] <blindcoder> and the next two
[20:07] <blindcoder> daja77: will lay be there, too? I need as much eye-candy as I can get :)
[20:08] <daja77> don't think so, she is in southern bavaria atm and I havenÄt talked to her for ages
[20:08] <esden> blindcoder: hehe ... funny girl ... ;)
[20:08] <blindcoder> ah, I see
[20:08] <esden> daja77: ask hannes ;)
[20:08] <blindcoder> hm
[20:08] <daja77> hehe he doesn't want to talk about that i guess
[20:09] <esden> hehe ... blindcoder doing the thing he loves the most in a strange angle: https://scavenger.homeip.net:444/bilder/cgi-bin/view.sh?WORKDIR=/home/www/bilder/2005-03-06_Chemnitzer_Linux_Tag;id=IMG_1902.jpg;SIZE=640x480
[20:09] <blindcoder> what's wrong with eating!1!!
[20:09] <blindcoder> esden: btw: https://scavenger.homeip.net:444/bilder/cgi-bin/thumbs.sh?id=2005-03-06_Chemnitzer_Linux_Tag
[20:09] <esden> nothing! I only said that you do the thing you love the most ... I did not say anything negative ... did I?!? :P
[20:10] <esden> you only feel guilty ... reacting that way :P
[20:10] <blindcoder> I'll leave that uncommented :P
[20:10] <mnemoc> *g*
[20:11] <esden> whooo toooook that crappy images of lea?!? sbtw...
[20:11] <esden> blindcoder: better that way :P
[20:11] <blindcoder> daja77 did
[20:11] <daja77> the artistic unsharp ones=
[20:12] Action: esden bashing daja77 ... learn to use your camera!
[20:12] <daja77> <-
[20:12] <esden> yes very artistic! :P
[20:12] <daja77> I was distracted ^^
[20:12] <daja77> and I felt sick the whole event anyway
[20:12] <esden> I can imagine ... and there was something shaking your whole body while taking photograps
[20:13] <esden> you really should concentrate more ;)
[20:13] <daja77> :p
[20:13] <esden> :-* @daja77
[20:14] <esden> damn I get hungry again ... >_<
[20:14] <daja77> hehe
[20:14] <esden> I had already three meals today >_<
[20:14] <esden> if it continues I will start to roll
[20:15] <blindcoder> esden: stop complaining :P
[20:15] <daja77> esden roll
[20:15] <blindcoder> I could eat all day, doing nothing else
[20:15] <esden> blindcoder: start to smoke ... then you are not so hungry ... you just smoke one more instead of eating something ;)
[20:16] <blindcoder> esden: that also costs money :(
[20:16] <esden> blindcoder: but is good for your figure ;)
[20:16] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:17] <esden> and you can also smoke leavs ... they are on every tree
[20:17] <esden> you only have to get them dry ;)
[20:17] <blindcoder> heh
[20:19] <blindcoder> that would be troublesome since my heating seems to be borked
[20:20] <esden> blindcoder: that says assimilated not borked ;)
[20:20] <blindcoder> o_O
[20:21] <esden> ahh right that was borged ... nevermind
[20:21] <blindcoder> :P
[20:23] <esden> how can I block an ip from crawling my site?
[20:23] <blindcoder> robots.txt can block crawlers supporting it
[20:23] <blindcoder> otherwise apache config with allow/deny
[20:24] <esden> that damn accoona bot is going on my nerves
[20:24] <esden> that bot is not reading robots.txt
[20:24] <blindcoder> hehe
[20:24] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:24] <blindcoder> sucks
[20:24] <esden> you could block it entirely for pallas >_<
[20:25] <blindcoder> you can use the deny thing
[20:25] <esden> ip
[20:25] <blindcoder> well, I'd rather not
[20:25] <blindcoder> read up on the deny configuration
[20:26] <esden> why not?
[20:26] <blindcoder> well, I know nothing about accona or whatever
[20:28] <esden> http://www.accoona.com
[20:32] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:32] <fake> gschscho
[20:32] <fake> what package is 'svm' in?
[20:33] <fake> svn::mirror, okay...
[20:33] Action: fake rtfmed
[20:34] <daja77> yep and you need two more cpan packages for sm
[20:35] <fake> namely ?
[20:35] <daja77> svn:simple and curi
[20:35] <daja77> uri*
[20:35] <fake> kay, thanks
[20:36] <fake> i got the mac mini ;)
[20:36] <daja77> cool
[20:36] <daja77> i got a zaurus for my birthday ... still had not much time to play with it
[20:37] <fake> it's a workstation for my company, but i have permission to use it for rock builds when needed
[20:37] <blindcoder> nice
[20:37] <daja77> rocks
[20:38] <fake> hm
[20:38] <fake> svn-simple says svn-core is not installed
[20:39] <daja77> interesting, never had that
[20:41] Action: daja77 pokes clifford to use autoconf
[20:41] Action: daja77 hides
[20:41] <blindcoder> spl?
[20:42] <daja77> yep
[20:43] <esden> ROFL ... that is ill how everyone is getting at least apple hardware ... if only to use linux on it :P
[20:43] <fake> s/use/compile
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[20:44] <esden> re blindcoder 
[20:44] <blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[20:44] <fake> svn::Core is installed by subversion
[20:45] <fake> i guess my swig version was too old
[20:45] <blindcoder> you and your old stuff *hide*
[20:46] <fake> i like em' old ;)
[20:46] <stf^rocklinux> hi all
[20:46] <blindcoder> jaja, aufm alten fahrrad lernt man das fahren
[20:46] <fake> hi stf!
[20:46] <daja77> argh it seems I ran into http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24241
[20:46] <blindcoder> moin stf^rocklinux 
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> fake, could you please delete sun-jdk15 and libdca packages from the gem server?
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> they were not meant to be distributed...
[20:49] <fake> oh... yes... 
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> thanks
[20:50] <fake> removed
[20:50] <fake> i hope it's not in the iso..
[20:50] <stf^rocklinux> no
[20:50] <fake> good ;)
[20:51] <blindcoder> don't they have the NODIST flag?
[20:51] <stf^rocklinux> crystal target should probably remove non-distributable packages from pkg_sel automatically ...
[20:52] <stf^rocklinux> I had to hack build.sh to exclude them from the ISO...
[20:53] <blindcoder> shouldn't crystal just _not_ build them?
[20:53] <stf^rocklinux> no because how else could you build locally NODIST packages like sun-jdk?
[20:54] <blindcoder> rocket emerge ?
[20:54] <stf^rocklinux> ok but for builds which are not distributed it'd be an inconvenience
[20:55] <blindcoder> make it a build option that defaults to 'no'
[20:55] <fake> daja77: subversion didn't install svn::core because my swig version was outdated, just for the record
[20:55] <stf^rocklinux> also because some packages depend on e.g. sun-jdk
[20:56] <blindcoder> those can't be built then, either, can they?
[20:56] <daja77> fake: good so google will find your remark ^^
[20:56] <stf^rocklinux> the can, but have java-dependent features missing
[20:56] <fake> ;)
[20:56] <stf^rocklinux> they
[20:56] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:57] <blindcoder> do they run when compiled with java but run without?
[20:57] <stf^rocklinux> think so
[20:57] <blindcoder> can you test it?
[20:58] <blindcoder> bochs or somewhere?
[20:58] <stf^rocklinux> I'll take a look
[21:19] <stf^rocklinux> it seems kdebase does not require Java at build time to use it at run time.
[21:19] <stf^rocklinux> openoffice neither.
[21:19] <stf^rocklinux> both run without Java.
[21:21] <stf^rocklinux> ant requires Java at build time and probably at run time
[21:21] <stf^rocklinux> iirc openoffice requires ant at build time 
[21:22] <blindcoder> so we can't ship OOo either
[21:22] <stf^rocklinux> we can, because at run time no java is required
[21:22] <stf^rocklinux> only some features won't work without it
[21:22] <blindcoder> hmm, okay
[21:22] <daja77> well we should build and distribute ooo and leave out java in teh distribution
[21:23] <stf^rocklinux> all NODIST packages should be left out, e.g. also libdca
[21:23] <stf^rocklinux> <- audio codec with patent issues :(
[21:24] <blindcoder> what is dca?
[21:24] <blindcoder> ah, okay :)
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[21:55] <blindcoder> ping
[21:55] <fake> pong
[21:55] <blindcoder> thanks :)
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[22:38] <blindcoder> good night
[22:48] <owl> re
[22:48] <owl> gn8 blindcoder 
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