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[00:19] <esden> ping ... is anyone here?
[00:20] Action: SMP is
[00:20] <esden> ahh good SMP 
[00:20] <esden> can you explain to me the term "vertical question"?
[00:20] <SMP> give me some context
[00:21] <esden> I stated a question ... and someone said that it was the most vertical question posted in that channel ... I am not sure if it is positive or not
[00:22] <esden> the question was: "probably noone has this information here but asking does not cost, right? ... Does anyone have access to the blueprints of a Praktica super TL? ;)"
[00:24] <SMP> it means that your question was focussed on a very specific topic
[00:25] <esden> humm ... ok ... thanks SMP 
[00:25] <SMP> maybe you know the terms "vertical market" vs. "horizontal market" (or "software" instead of "market")
[00:27] <esden> yes, I think that helps me
[00:28] <owl> *closing eyes* .oO( bwp... help) hi SMP ;p
[00:30] <esden> and so btw ... how are you SMP, long time no see
[01:15] <cutio> esden: *way offtopic* 
[01:16] <esden> cutio: as always ;)
[01:16] <cutio> i mean, vertical question=way offtopic question
[01:16] <esden> cutio: ahhh .... oook ... o_O
[01:16] <esden> urgh
[01:16] <esden> ok ...
[01:16] <esden> never mind
[01:17] <cutio> hm?
[01:17] <cutio> woah you asked an hour ago
[01:17] <esden> if that is an offtopic question in a channel named #photogeeks ... then I really do not know ...
[01:17] <cutio> what did you ask?
[01:17] <cutio> ah
[01:17] <esden> "Does anyone have access to the blueprints of a Praktica super TL?"
[01:18] <esden> it is an SLR Camera
[01:18] <cutio> hehe yeah, its like asking a musician to build a guitar 
[01:19] <esden> that are geeks dammit! :)
[01:19] <esden> a geek guitar musician also knows how to build himself a guitar!
[01:19] <esden> ;)
[01:20] <esden> you can ask a computer scientist how to build a computer ... not?
[01:20] <esden> even if he is only coding
[01:22] <owl> not everyone ;)
[01:22] <cutio> i dont know many coders who're able to *loeten* (whats the english expression?)
[01:23] <esden> humm .. right ... but there are ones that can soldier
[01:23] <esden> I can soldier! dammit! :)
[01:23] <esden> I am not the best in it ... but I know who to ask at least ... and where to look
[01:24] <owl> hehe
[01:25] <esden> but yes ... I admit that the channel is called #photogeeks ... and not #camerageeks ...
[01:25] <esden> that is a big difference ... but #camerageeks does not exist
[01:25] <owl> found it ;)
[01:25] <esden> huh?
[01:26] <owl> gruenden
[01:26] <owl> found it? dunno. guess it is
[01:26] <esden> ok ... I created one :)
[01:27] <owl> hehe ;p
[01:27] <esden> I am sure to be alone there for ages
[01:27] <owl> *g* maybe ;)
[01:29] <owl> somehow my eyes hurt...
[01:29] <esden> ok .. I take my aspirin ... and other stuff 
[01:29] <owl> other stuff? AB?
[01:29] <owl> went to the doc?
[01:29] <esden> I went there ... but he had closed already
[01:29] <esden> have to go there tomorrow at 8:30 >_<
[01:30] <owl> hehe. when did you arrive at doc? ;)
[01:30] <esden> 17:05 >_<
[01:31] <esden> they close at 17:00 >_<
[01:31] <owl> ouch. what a sick time
[01:31] <cutio> lol
[01:31] <cutio> nice pun;)
[01:35] <esden> ooook ... I go to bed
[01:35] <esden> good night folks
[01:36] <stf^rocklinux> good night
[01:37] <owl> gn8 esden 
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[04:20] <maisenhe> re
[04:20] Nick change: maisenhe -> rolla
[04:34] <rolla> anyone alive in here?
[04:34] <stf^rocklinux> hi rolla
[04:35] Action: stf^rocklinux is fixing gcc40-related bugs.
[04:35] <rolla> so what is new in the rocklinux world?
[04:35] <rolla> fun fun
[04:35] <rolla> I am watching a bad american movie
[04:35] <rolla> euro-trip
[04:35] <stf^rocklinux> I'm watching "Srgt. Bilko" with  Steve Martin...
[04:35] <rolla> :)
[04:35] <rolla> cool
[04:37] <stf^rocklinux> only one package with gcc40 errors left in the Crystal target ;)
[04:37] <rolla> sweet
[04:38] <stf^rocklinux> avifile. I'm currently trying to fix it. It's pretty outdated...
[04:41] <rolla> that is no good
[04:42] <stf^rocklinux> the latest avifile version available is about 2 years old, and it comes with an own (outdated) copy of ffmpeg
[04:43] <mnemoc> stf^rocklinux: it's fixed on t2 if you want to take the patch
[04:43] <stf^rocklinux> I'll take a look
[04:43] <stf^rocklinux> I'm almost done so I can compare ^^
[04:43] <mnemoc> :)
[04:43] <stf^rocklinux> btw. hi mnemoc
[04:44] <mnemoc> 'inspiration' is also royalty free ;)
[04:44] <mnemoc> hi :)
[04:45] <rolla> re mnemoc 
[04:45] <mnemoc> hi rolla 
[06:51] Nick change: mmc -> mmc_dtch
[07:51] <daja77> hi rolla 
[08:27] <blindcoder> moin
[08:37] <blindcoder> oioioi
[08:37] <blindcoder> so much stress just for driving to dresden
[08:57] <blindcoder> eww
[08:58] <blindcoder> still a bug in bootdisk
[09:00] <stf^rocklinux> moin blindcoder
[09:01] <blindcoder> moin stf^rocklinux 
[09:02] <stf^rocklinux> finally all CORE and bootdisk packages build with gcc40 :)
[09:03] <blindcoder> sweet
[09:03] <blindcoder> how many patches?
[09:04] <blindcoder> hmm
[09:04] <blindcoder> how can I tell gcc _explicitly_ where to look for libraries?
[09:04] <blindcoder> it tries to use /lib where it finds incompatible libs
[09:05] <stf^rocklinux> 12 for bootdisk, 41 for Crystal
[09:05] <blindcoder> I want it to _not_ look in /lib
[09:06] <stf^rocklinux> -Ldir?
[09:06] <blindcoder> I tried
[09:06] <blindcoder> doesn't help
[09:09] <blindcoder> nevermind, found another solution
[09:09] <stf^rocklinux> which one? 
[09:10] <blindcoder> copying the misc/isomd5sum dir to build/foo, chrooting there, compiling there
[09:10] <blindcoder> long live the wuergarounds :)
[09:11] <stf^rocklinux> yeah
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[09:56] Action: [raphael] is back
[09:58] <blindcoder> moin [raphael] 
[10:07] <[raphael]> moin blindcoder 
[10:11] <esden> lmao!! Last episode of Tiki bar rulez!
[10:11] <esden> *rofl*
[10:17] <blindcoder> tiki bar?
[10:20] <owl> moin
[10:20] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[10:20] <blindcoder> HAH
[10:20] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[10:20] <blindcoder> finally found the missing data!
[10:21] <blindcoder> note to self: there is more to ip than tcp and udp
[10:22] <blindcoder> esden: wrt our discussion about ajax/ror: http://blog.crash-override.net/index.php?id=28 :)
[10:24] <blindcoder> and, and everyone in germany: HAPPY FIFTY YEARS OF WAR!
[10:24] <esden> blindcoder: yes I read that
[10:25] <esden> blindcoder: what did you do to my routing
[10:25] <esden> it is not working anymore!!! 
[10:25] <blindcoder> esden: ehm... nothing?
[10:25] <daja77> hm I should link blindy's blog from mine
[10:25] <blindcoder> esden: sorry
[10:25] <blindcoder> esden: seems I messed up ceres and pallas somewhere
[10:26] <esden> blindcoder: thanks ;)
[10:26] <blindcoder> esden: restored
[10:26] <esden> o_O?
[10:26] <blindcoder> esden: screen-in-screen
[10:26] <esden> rofl
[10:26] <esden> classical mistake
[10:26] <blindcoder> root@<whatever>: iptables -F
[10:27] <esden> urgh
[10:27] <esden> but the chains list is ... VERY big
[10:28] <esden> NP: Mercy Machine - Damascus
[10:28] <esden> that is something for fake and the alike ;)
[10:28] <esden> but that song rulez!
[10:30] <esden> http://www.podcastingnews.com/details/feeds.feedburner.com/tikibartv/view.htm <- tiki bar tv
[10:30] <esden> that is something for blindy ... it is about coctails ;)
[10:30] <esden> and it is _really_ funny ;)
[10:30] <blindcoder> heh
[10:32] <esden> ok ... I have to leave
[10:32] <esden> cu l8er
[10:32] <blindcoder> bye
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[11:43] Action: daja77 dancing around
[11:44] Action: mnemoc looks daja77 dancing around
[11:45] <daja77> I found out why spl didn't build yesterday
[11:45] <mnemoc> :)
[12:03] <blindcoder> daja77: why?
[12:03] <blindcoder> esden: ping
[12:04] <daja77> I had a mysql 4.0.x on the machine, 4.1.x is required but the check is only looking if a mysql header is present, not if the version is ok
[12:05] <blindcoder> hmpf
[12:05] Action: blindcoder blames clifford :)
[12:05] <daja77> exactly ;)
[12:06] <daja77> well the syscheck.sh is easier to read than autoconf though?
[12:08] <blindcoder> hard to believe considering the author
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[12:49] <daja77> no really ;)
[13:05] <esden> re hi all
[13:05] <owl> wb esden 
[13:05] <esden> woot ... /me made some images with the D50 today ;)
[13:05] <esden> I will soon post one of them in my blog ;)
[13:06] <owl> esden: your D50? or just lent somewhere?
[13:06] <blindcoder> re esden
[13:07] <esden> owl: I went to the photoshop I was yesterday with my own CF card ;)
[13:07] <esden> and made something about 30 pictures ;)
[13:07] <owl> esden: *g* ok.
[13:08] <blindcoder> esden: I talked to a friend of mine who's into photographing a lot
[13:08] <blindcoder> esden: and he meant that when you're used to the practica you won't be happy with the d50
[13:08] <owl> apropos: have some new fotos, too... ;)
[13:08] <esden> blindcoder: why?
[13:09] <blindcoder> esden: qualitywise
[13:09] <esden> blindcoder: humm ... I do not expect any digital SLR to compete with the quality of a film camera
[13:10] <esden> and I have not the money to buy a camera that may compete with it
[13:10] <esden> a canon 5D is bit too expensive ;)
[13:11] <blindcoder> heh
[13:11] <blindcoder> isn't the light meter repairable?
[13:11] <blindcoder> oh, and I will get a camera myself soon :)
[13:11] <esden> 2.769,00 euro for only the body is not in my ligue
[13:12] <esden> blindcoder: not with the tools and knowlege I have here
[13:12] <blindcoder> esden: yes, but at a shop?
[13:26] <owl> esden: http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/tiere/hamster/esperanza/
[13:27] <blindcoder> HOORAY, server-admin is responsible for DDoS against his server by law
[13:27] Action: blindcoder slams head against wall
[13:28] <daja77> huh?
[13:28] <blindcoder> http://slashem.crash-override.net/dump/Zered/Zered.lastgame.txt
[13:28] <blindcoder> oops
[13:28] <blindcoder> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/65398
[13:28] <blindcoder> damn windows
[13:28] <blindcoder> always have to press ctrl-c for copying
[13:30] <daja77> ah yes that sucks
[13:32] <esden> blindcoder: what camera will you buy?
[13:32] <esden> blindcoder: or is that not decided yet?
[13:32] <blindcoder> esden: can't give you the exact model number
[13:32] <blindcoder> esden: can tell you tomorrow
[13:32] <blindcoder> esden: it's matthias' old one, he got himself a new cam
[13:32] <esden> erm ... what old camera?
[13:32] <esden> an SLR?
[13:32] <esden> or SLR like?
[13:33] <esden> or a point and shoot thingy?
[13:34] <blindcoder> as I said, I can tell you tomorrow
[13:35] <blindcoder> 4 megapixel IIRC
[13:35] <daja77> blindcoder: have you tried the tarball?
[13:35] <blindcoder> daja77: I will when I'm home today
[13:35] <daja77> k.
[13:36] <blindcoder> esden: http://scavenger.homeip.net/bilder/2005-01-30_me/dscf0110.jpg
[13:36] <blindcoder> esden: that's a pic from that cam
[13:37] <blindcoder> esden: as well as these: http://scavenger.homeip.net/bilder/cgi-bin/thumbs.sh?id=2005-01-28_Kueche
[13:38] <blindcoder> I'll get it for 150 EUR
[13:38] <blindcoder> and you can mount different "objektive" on it
[13:38] <blindcoder> actually, that cam is probably wasted on me :P
[13:39] <esden> ok ... then it is an SLR
[13:39] <blindcoder> daja77: tar tfj doesn't mention any errors so far
[13:39] <esden> *sigh*
[13:39] <blindcoder> what does SLR mean?
[13:39] <esden> Spiegelreflex
[13:39] <blindcoder> You know, I'm a photography idiot ;P
[13:39] <daja77> damn i should have said that blindy made the pics esden was complaining about
[13:40] <blindcoder> hehehe
[13:40] <esden> lol
[13:40] <blindcoder> hehe, finally version numbers for wine :P
[13:42] <blindcoder> esden: http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=216
[13:42] <daja77> blindcoder: yep ;)
[13:42] <esden> blindcoder: yes daja77 showed me that already ;)
[13:44] <blindcoder> esden: you should read fefes blog for that :)
[13:44] <esden> blindcoder: heh ;)
[13:45] <esden> blindcoder: and yes ... that camera is wasted on you :P ... but who knows ... perhups you fall in love with photography and then it is not wasted
[13:45] <blindcoder> we'll see
[13:46] <blindcoder> maybe I get it as soon as tomorrow
[13:46] <daja77> he takes a berlin skyline pic where you can look into everybody's home
[13:46] <esden> lucker :(
[13:46] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[13:46] <blindcoder> daja77: that would make for some very bad pr0n
[13:46] <esden> blindcoder: I would hide in your place
[13:46] Action: blindcoder hides from esden
[13:46] <daja77> blindcoder: even bad pr0n sells
[13:47] <esden> and close the curtains
[13:47] <blindcoder> daja77: true
[13:48] <esden> blindcoder: get naked ... daja77 wants to make you a star! :)
[13:48] <blindcoder> o_O
[13:48] <blindcoder> there's a limit on how bad pr0n can be and _still_ sell
[13:48] <blindcoder> but we can try...
[13:48] Action: blindcoder greases his shinai
[13:48] <blindcoder> here, esden, come here...
[13:49] <esden> urgh ... I am not photogenic ... sorry :P
[13:49] <blindcoder> doesn't matter, only your ass will be seen anyway :P
[13:51] <blindcoder> anyway, have a meeting with my boss now
[13:51] <blindcoder> with the mental image of a greased shinai
[13:52] <esden> urgh
[13:52] <esden> have fun
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[14:28] <blindcoder> daja77: I got us an USB DVD Writer for Dresden
[14:29] <daja77> cool
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[14:34] <[raphael]> [raphael]
[14:35] <daja77> O_o
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[14:53] <blindcoder> daja77: sponsored by Siemens COM :)
[14:53] <blindcoder> ARGH
[14:54] <blindcoder> bzip2: Data integrity error when decompressing.
[14:54] <blindcoder>         Input file = (stdin), output file = (stdout)
[14:56] <blindcoder> daja77: the tarball is bronke :(
[15:04] <esden> ok .. two new images online
[15:04] <esden> I love the exif data ... I really miss them in the Praktica :(
[15:04] <blindcoder> exif?
[15:05] <esden> yes that are metadata stored in the Raw or jpeg image that contain information like camera type, lens type, zoom, shutter speed, f speed and so on
[15:06] <blindcoder> ah
[15:06] <blindcoder> and exif is the program to read them?
[15:08] <esden> exifer is the program called
[15:08] <esden> at least it is what pixelpost thinks
[15:08] <esden> but I do not find the executable :/
[15:09] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:09] <esden> ahh ok ... in this case it seems to be a php thingy
[15:09] <esden> but there are console based things for that
[15:10] <blindcoder> there are a lot of exif stuff on freshmeat
[15:10] <esden> http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=exif&section=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
[15:10] <blindcoder> from php to libraries
[15:10] <esden> yes
[15:23] <esden> nice ... I have an ok from DHR to post his image tomorrow ;)
[15:23] <esden> well well well ;)
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[15:28] <blindcoder> esden: a pic of dhr? AAAAH *flees in terror
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[15:39] <esden> blindcoder: ROFL!
[15:39] <esden> the day of doom will be tomorrow ;)
[16:00] <daja77> blindcoder: huh?
[16:01] <blindcoder> daja77: the tarball is damaged :(
[16:02] <daja77> *testing*
[16:03] <daja77> can you tell me the md5sum it has at your place?
[16:03] <blindcoder> if you give me some minutes
[16:04] <daja77> sure
[16:04] <daja77> I am testing if I can unpack it here
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[16:06] <blindcoder> d1c059914aeed6fe15f673d614dbcb6c  athlonbuilds.tar.bz2
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[16:07] <daja77> looks ok
[16:08] <blindcoder> brb
[16:11] <blindcoder> back
[16:31] <blindcoder> daja77: can you repackage? I'm off for today
[16:31] <daja77> it is still unpacking
[16:31] <daja77> I'd be happier exchanging it on litdd and create the image there, I can't blast that amount here every day
[16:37] <daja77> blindcoder: well yes it is broken, but as far as I can see it you can use the athlonxp build, should be enough, athlon is not much different than p3
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[17:17] <daja77> where is the personal clifford when you need one ;)
[17:20] <esden> daja77: you have to pay to have a PC ;)
[17:22] <daja77> everything is ok now :)
[17:28] <th> i need to change a variable with a while loop. but the while-list seems to be a subshell, thus there is no way to pass date out of the while list. any ideas?
[17:33] <th> uh
[17:33] <th> it sint
[17:33] <th> isnt
[17:33] <th> strange things going on
[17:35] Action: daja77 wondering if th is working on my machine ;)
[17:35] <th> you really dont wanna know that
[17:36] <daja77> agreed
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[20:29] <owl> re *shiffers* god, is it cold! *bibber*
[20:29] <cutio> pff, 5C here, kinda hot
[20:30] <owl> hot? O_O 
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[21:25] <blindcoder> daja77: ping
[21:28] <daja77> pong
[21:31] <blindcoder> daja77: how long will you be up at friday?
[21:31] <blindcoder> daja77: hannes and my place of sleep just busted
[21:31] <blindcoder> daja77: and he'll only arrive at DD at Saturday night 00:03 AM
[21:32] <daja77> blindcoder: yeah I heard of it, he'll come to my place at friday
[21:33] <blindcoder> hm, he just mentioned that we might be able to stay at CCC Dresden
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[21:33] <hannes_> hi
[21:33] <owl> hi hannes_ 
[21:34] <daja77> hi hannes
[21:34] <daja77> :)
[21:34] <hannes_> hi owl, hi daja77
[21:35] <hannes_> daja: i still hope, that we'll get sleeping room in c3d2
[21:35] <daja77> yes me too
[21:35] <hannes_> daja: because a train ticket to chemnitz would be more expensive than to dd
[21:35] <hannes_> fukami said, it should be no problem
[21:35] <daja77> I can imagine that
[21:36] <cutio> you can sleep well in the dresdner bank too.. i did so 2 times already ;)
[21:36] <hannes_> hmmmm
[21:37] <hannes_> no ;)
[21:37] <daja77> cutio: any other ideas?
[21:37] <blindcoder> hannes_: great!
[21:37] <blindcoder> hannes_: how many people? :)
[21:37] <hannes_> i don't know the new clubrooms of c3d2
[21:38] <hannes_> but there should be enough place for 3 people
[21:38] <hannes_> but they don't have stable internet :<
[21:38] <cutio> daja77: hmm.. well i think someone of the c3d2 could help you 
[21:38] <cutio> ccc/dd
[21:38] <blindcoder> okaaaaay, so if push comes to shove I'll bring someone else, too
[21:38] <cutio> like u said
[21:38] <blindcoder> fsck internet, I need a place to sleep :P
[21:39] <owl> blindcoder: hotel?
[21:39] <hannes_> blindcoder: should be no problem
[21:39] <hannes_> owl: money?
[21:40] <hannes_> ;)
[21:40] <owl> if there is money for driving to dresden..... ? ;)
[21:40] <hannes_> owl: yeah, but that's it then
[21:40] <daja77> well if you want to stay here for a night or two please tell me
[21:41] <hannes_> owl: for me they are my last money for this month
[21:41] <owl> O_O
[21:41] <hannes_> daja77: otherwise i'll sleep at the hbf
[21:41] <daja77> hm
[21:42] <blindcoder> owl: driving to DD and back: 40 EUR
[21:42] <hannes_> daja: it should be no problem to get into the club ;)
[21:42] <daja77> ok
[21:42] <owl> blindcoder: car?
[21:42] <blindcoder> bahnhofsmission? :)
[21:42] <blindcoder> owl: ack
[21:43] <hannes_> daja: karlsruhe -> dresden: IC, ICE, NZ, RE, CX, BUS
[21:43] <owl> why not sleeping in the car, then? :)
[21:43] <hannes_> daja: what the hell?
[21:43] <daja77> hannes_: ?
[21:43] <hannes_> daja: that would be a trainconnection from karlsruhe to chemnitz
[21:44] <cutio> hannes_: the dresdner bank or postbank are warmer than the hbf.. ive experiance, trust me:)
[21:44] <cutio> *experience
[21:44] <daja77> hannes_: I somehow don't get to which statement of me you are replying
[21:45] <blindcoder> owl: washing in the morning?
[21:45] <blindcoder> jumping into the next river?
[21:45] <hannes_> daja: not to a statement of you
[21:46] <hannes_> daja: to the train-connection between these two cities
[21:46] <cutio> blindcoder: the elbe is clean:)
[21:46] <owl> blindcoder: hmmm. ok. toilets?
[21:47] <blindcoder> :P
[21:47] <daja77> you are confusing me
[21:47] <blindcoder> I'm NOT washing myself in the elbe
[21:48] <daja77> good to know
[21:48] <hannes_> daja: there is a train-connection between karlsruhe and chemnitz with 5 times changing the bus and the last trip would be by bus
[21:48] <daja77> ah ok
[21:48] <esden> puhh ... finally finished creating that damn graphs for SE2 >_<
[21:48] <hannes_> s/bus\ /train\ /
[21:48] <daja77> well perhaps driving is easier
[21:49] <daja77> so should I fetch you?
[21:49] <hannes_> daja: i'll tell you tomorrow
[21:49] <hannes_> daja: i would sleep in dd if it's possible. and the chances are really good
[21:49] <hannes_> so there should be no need to
[21:49] <hannes_> esden: hi :}
[21:49] <esden> hi hannes_ 
[21:51] <daja77> hannes_: ok
[21:59] <blindcoder> esden: se2?
[22:18] <esden> blindcoder: software engeneering 2
[22:18] <esden> it is a real life simulation
[22:18] <esden> where you have to develop a software product using all the "usefull" things you have learned in se1 ;)
[22:19] <daja77> congrats
[22:19] <daja77> what sw you are using for the simulation?
[22:20] <esden> our group has to develop a "LAN-Party management software"
[22:20] <esden> very interesting *sigh*
[22:21] <daja77> wtf?
[22:21] <esden> daja77: yes that is the same I am thinking all the time too
[22:21] <daja77> :D
[22:22] <esden> but we can not really choose what we want to do
[22:22] <esden> and sadly this was the most interesting project ... that was not so big that one would break under it
[22:26] <daja77> i better don't ask what other projects were available
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