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[08:51] <th> "Nutwerk" hahaha
[08:51] Action: [raphael] is back
[08:51] <th> (was reading http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/04/moaning_ban)
[09:00] Nick change: BoS^afk -> _BoS_
[09:29] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[09:56] <netrunner> moin
[10:02] Action: [raphael] is away: time for breakfast
[10:04] <_BoS_> mahlzeit :)
[10:17] <netrunner> blindcoder: maybe I will try your accounting thingie for my laptop now...
[10:17] <netrunner> what was the url again?
[10:17] Action: netrunner is curious if newsreader beats p2p client :)
[10:18] <blindcoder> netrunner: www.crash-override.net/utadragon.html
[10:20] <blindcoder> bbl
[10:21] <netrunner> oh, sql. oh, kernel patch :(
[10:36] Action: [raphael] is back
[11:40] <esden> moin
[11:48] <clifford> moin
[11:48] <daja77> hi clifford 
[11:48] <clifford> http://www.clifford.at/spl/splqtdemo.png
[11:48] <clifford> .. the SPL/Qt bindings are finished. (more or less)
[11:49] <daja77> there seems to be a submaster bug, showing discarded patches
[11:49] <clifford> aha.
[11:50] <daja77> nice
[11:50] <daja77> just saw that
[11:50] <clifford> (sources to this SPL/Qt demo: http://svn.clifford.at/spl/trunk/qtdemo/qtdemo003.spl)
[11:51] <clifford> daja77: I don't think it is a bug. Where have you seen it?
[11:52] <daja77> clifford: 2005110503091808598 and 2005110503100308712
[11:53] <daja77> btw my gcc4 crystal build including net packages had 277 errors in the end, most of them because there was a gtk problem, had no time to work it out though
[11:58] <clifford> daja77: we had a disc-full problem on the weekend
[11:59] <daja77> ah ic
[12:16] <netrunner> am I right that a central include file that includes all possible headers from the project is a bad thing?
[12:16] <netrunner> (when all files in the project then just include that central include file)
[12:16] <clifford> only if you are playing around with precompiled headers.
[12:17] <netrunner> clifford: but wouldn't be the definition of even unused classes and their inline implementations be added to objects that don't use them at all?
[12:17] <clifford> (.. then it is a good thing. in all other cases it isn't such a well idea)
[12:18] <clifford> netrunner: no. it would only incrase the compile time.
[12:19] <netrunner> clifford: the pro argument I heard: "I don't care, I have P4-3GHz" :/
[12:19] <netrunner> I thought I could find substantial arguments :)
[12:21] <clifford> There aren't any if the headers are well written and the linker is doing his job right.
[12:22] <netrunner> well, _he_ is using MSVC, I don't believe it is doing his job well :)
[12:22] <clifford> its the own C++ compiler suite I know of which can do real whole program analysis for optimization.
[12:24] <clifford> s/own/only/
[12:26] <netrunner> aha.
[12:49] <daja77> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/748.gif
[12:55] <[raphael]> clifford: thanks a lot for the Qt bindings!!
[12:55] <daja77> yes that example looks nice
[13:03] <clifford> [raphael]: no prob. it's a nice feature.
[13:04] <clifford> [raphael]: I have a question, btw:
[13:04] <[raphael]> clifford: yes, go ahead
[13:04] <clifford> right now the SPL module does not allow you to derive your own SPL classes from Qt classes.
[13:05] <[raphael]> btw. your build system fails on NetBSD - but that's my job to fix
[13:05] <clifford> (slots and event filters are possible using special functions)
[13:05] <clifford> are there any Qt APIs which require you to derive your own classes from Qt classes?
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[13:06] <madtux> hello.
[13:06] <daja77> hi miguel
[13:07] <[raphael]> let me think... AFAIK pretty much all of the Qt API is usable without deriving classes, there might exceptions... (I'll look some of them up and let you know...)
[13:07] <daja77> clifford: I am trying a spl socket binding, but I am still about reading how the internal interface works
[13:07] <[raphael]> the good thing is that most of the stuff you get by using signals & slots of these classes
[13:08] <[raphael]> on first glance it looks like QThread must be inherited
[13:09] <[raphael]> sockets should work without deriving
[13:10] <daja77> [raphael]: well I only mean sockets without qt ;)
[13:10] <[raphael]> clifford: you cannot inherit from QObject, can you? So ... can you create slots in SPL and connect them to Qt signals?
[13:10] <[raphael]> daja77: ah... yes :)
[13:11] <[raphael]> daja77: in fact... with the Qt bindings you could use the Qt sockets
[13:11] <daja77> that would be kind of ... sick
[13:11] <[raphael]> clifford: (the other way round: connect Qt signals to your custom slots)
[13:12] <[raphael]> daja77: is SPL multithreading capable?
[13:14] <daja77> dunno
[13:15] <[raphael]> clifford: I think apart from QThread almost all the Qt API should work without the need to inherit any Qt class... although the event mechanism might also be limited (you can't build on QCustomEvent, ...)
[13:15] <clifford> [raphael]: http://www.clifford.at/spl/spldoc/qt.html#qt_signal_callback
[13:15] <clifford> .. that's how you can connect to signals.
[13:15] <[raphael]> oh... that's beautiful :)
[13:15] <[raphael]> uhm... does it work with methods as well?
[13:16] <clifford> you mean with all methods? no.
[13:16] <[raphael]> methods of an SPL class err... object
[13:17] <clifford> oh. yes.
[13:17] <clifford> in this case there is technically no difference between methods and functions.
[13:18] <[raphael]> nice, so I just give it Foo.contentsMoving(int,int)
[13:18] <[raphael]> and it will do, right?
[13:18] <[raphael]> sorry... the other one: Foo.printpos
[13:18] <clifford> yes.
[13:19] <madtux> greetings clifford.
[13:19] <[raphael]> heh, very nice... I think... I like SPL
[13:19] Action: daja77 does ;)
[13:19] <clifford> an SPL object is just a special form of closoure with additional magic for looking up stuff in the derivation path.
[13:19] <[raphael]> I need a scripting language for the G System anyway
[13:20] <madtux> Mr Daniel.
[13:20] <clifford> hi madtux.
[13:20] <[raphael]> so... SPL is certainly a candidate now, a good one even
[13:20] <clifford> cool!
[13:20] <daja77> G sytem?
[13:20] <madtux> clifford, seem like u don't recognize old friends.
[13:20] <[raphael]> http://www.g-system.at
[13:21] <clifford> madtux: why>
[13:21] <clifford> madtux: why?
[13:21] <daja77> interesting
[13:21] <madtux> ah nevermind. staff meeting, bbl
[13:21] <[raphael]> daja77: you will probably find most infos in the devbook: http://www.g-system.at/doc/latest/devbook/html/index.html
[13:22] <owl> madtux: enjoy it ;)
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[13:24] <netrunner> hm, since when do I participate in ROCK Linux?
[13:24] <clifford> [raphael]: Can I help you with SPL on FreeBSD ?
[13:25] Action: netrunner counting it as sozial engagment for application at eliteakademie :)
[13:25] <[raphael]> you help me? sure...
[13:25] <[raphael]> heh, do you want me to see whether it works/compiles on FreeBSD?
[13:26] <daja77> netrunner: 2003 iirc
[13:27] Action: [raphael] is compiling SPL on fbsd right now
[13:27] <clifford> does it work?
[13:28] <clifford> does it work? does it work? does it work? does it work? does it work? ;-)
[13:28] <daja77> .oO (are we there yet ;)
[13:28] <netrunner> daja77: I have first logs from #rocklinux from april 2002 :)
[13:28] <daja77> oh ok
[13:29] <daja77> so you are longer in than me
[13:29] <[raphael]> clifford: it fails on FreeBSD as well (same error as on NetBSD)
[13:29] <[raphael]> clifford: issue number one I can solve: it's something with PTHREAD
[13:29] <[raphael]> gmake ENABLE_PTHREAD_SUPPORT=0
[13:29] <[raphael]> this one gets already quite far
[13:30] <[raphael]> but then fails at
[13:30] <[raphael]>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldl
[13:30] <netrunner> hehe, but I have not said anything there :)
[13:30] <[raphael]> gcc -L/usr/home/raphael/devel/spl  -rdynamic -L/usr/local/lib splrun.o -ldl -lspl -lm -L/usr/local/lib -lpcre -lssl -lcrypto -lreadline -lncurses -o splrun
[13:31] <[raphael]>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldl
[13:31] <[raphael]> gmake: *** [splrun] Error 1
[13:31] <[raphael]> this one I actually don't yet know what to do about
[13:31] <netrunner> ok, my first tries were in 10/2002
[13:32] <clifford> [raphael]: ah! you tried it with NetBSD first. ic.
[13:32] <clifford> can you give me a login on such a box so I can try to fix the problem?
[13:32] <[raphael]> yes, NetBSD is currently my main beast (an 3 GHz AMD64 with 2 GB RAM and 200 GB HD, ...)
[13:32] <[raphael]> clifford: yes, I can do that
[13:32] <[raphael]> hold on
[13:33] <[raphael]> (btw. you can even forward-ssh into my laptop - a FreeBSD box
[13:34] <[raphael]> clifford: you want bash as login shell?
[13:34] <clifford> sure.
[13:34] <netrunner> hm, my repo was created only in 06/2003
[13:34] Action: clifford doesn't like cshells that much.. ;-)
[13:36] Action: [raphael] guessed that ;)
[13:52] <clifford> [raphael]: how big are the differences between Net-, Free- and OpenBSD ?
[13:52] <[raphael]> clifford: there is less difference between Net and OpenBSD than to FreeBSD... usually
[13:52] <[raphael]> although the differences are much less than to ... say.. Linux
[13:53] <[raphael]> FreeBSD is generally more featurerich
[13:54] <[raphael]> I assume that if you get it to work on NetBSD it won't be difficult to get it to work on the others
[13:54] <[raphael]> I don't have OpenBSD available btw
[13:54] <[raphael]> only FreeBSD and NetBSD - and ROCK Linux ;)
[14:21] <blindcoder> moin
[14:23] <[raphael]> moin blindcoder 
[14:23] <[raphael]> ... strange timezone you have there ;)
[14:24] <blindcoder> GMT +1
[14:24] <blindcoder> anyway, work is calling :)
[14:24] <blindcoder> bbl
[14:25] <daja77> the same austria have ...
[14:25] <daja77> .oO (perhaps there are some years difference ;)
[14:25] Action: daja77 hides
[14:37] <netrunner> hehe :)
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[14:55] <clifford> [raphael]: SPL is running on BSD now.
[14:59] Action: daja77 extending the spl converter once more
[14:59] <[raphael]> clifford: hey, great!!!
[15:01] <[raphael]> uh... ah... beautiful, it compiles on both FreeBSD and NetBSD, thanks a lot
[15:02] <daja77> it now draws some attributes I want to see in that graph ;)
[15:05] <owl> how are men called who send you a mail with "it's over"?! assfuckers?
[15:06] <daja77> spammers?
[15:06] <owl> daja77: nah. known men... or better known man.
[15:06] <owl> also called "ex-bf".
[15:08] <daja77> it is a progress over sms ...
[15:08] <owl> grrrrrrrrr.
[15:08] <owl> yeah... exactly... *pukes*
[15:09] <owl> *biting the bottle of lemonade*
[15:17] Action: netrunner trying to add hal/dbus 
[15:17] <netrunner> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
[15:19] <daja77> interesting
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[15:26] <esden> bopp
[15:27] <owl> hi esden 
[15:28] <esden> hi owl 
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[16:17] <blindcoder> moin
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[17:20] <esden> bopp
[17:20] <esden> hi blindcoder 
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[23:27] Action: netrunner online with stolen ip :)
[23:30] <netrunner> ts, since when are we getting spam to rlml?
[23:53] <netrunner> n8
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