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[10:59] <netrunner> ,oin
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[12:14] <clifford> netrunner: I've rejected [2005101709504220447]. please send another patch for an extra 'kqemu' package.
[12:15] <daja77> clifford: if you are going to do a new build you could update the kernel before
[12:16] <blindcoder> moin
[12:16] <netrunner> clifford: please don't include the hal and dbus. I will discard and rework them.
[12:17] <clifford> netrunner: ok. so please discard them now..
[12:17] <netrunner> clifford: it needs to be present in the qemu source tree so support is aactivated.
[12:17] <netrunner> clifford: I  could pkgfork it out ...
[12:18] Action: daja77 off to munich airport in a few hours
[12:19] <clifford> netrunner: better create a seperate 'kqemu' package which also has a [D] tag for qemu
[12:19] <clifford> I'd prefer the both packages beeing seperated as much as possible because of the different licence..
[12:20] <netrunner> clifford: _qemu_ will not activate it's kqemu support if kqemu is not present in its source tree.
[12:20] <clifford> daja77: I'll do. I voted already for them..
[12:21] <daja77> clifford: yes but is out already, but I can't do patches now
[12:21] <clifford> ah - ok. I'll make a patch for that now.
[12:21] <daja77> thx
[12:24] <netrunner> clifford: what would you say to a config option, disabled by default, with the explanation right ther?
[12:25] <blindcoder> ARGH
[12:25] <blindcoder> I HATE SOURCEFORGE!
[12:25] <blindcoder> <lvplayer-svncommit@lists.sourceforge.net>: message size 1071214 exceeds size limit 1048576 of server mail.sourceforge.net[]
[12:29] <clifford> netrunner: no. there is a totally different licence on kqemu.
[12:29] <clifford> what is the problem with a seperate package?
[12:29] <netrunner> clifford: qemu will not use kqemu.
[12:29] <netrunner> kqemu is a kernel module.
[12:30] <netrunner> which is used by qemu to speed up its services.
[12:30] <clifford> yes. but kquemu would be in the same package or at least be related.
[12:30] <clifford> so the [L] flag would be wrong.
[12:30] <clifford> and this is a very serious issue!
[12:30] <netrunner> we can change it to OpenSource ...
[12:30] <clifford> it is not OpenSource
[12:30] <netrunner> it is. you can download the source :)
[12:31] <netrunner> how is opensource defined?
[12:31] <blindcoder> opensource.org?
[12:32] <clifford> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Definition
[12:32] <clifford> http://opensource.org/docs/definition.php
[12:33] <clifford> http://www.opensource.org/ --> What the fuck??
[12:33] <blindcoder> WEEE
[12:33] <blindcoder> someone fucked up the dns :)
[12:35] <blindcoder> anyway, back to work
[12:35] <blindcoder> bbl
[12:35] <netrunner> clifford: what to do? should I create a seperate package and rename the binaries it contains? noone will understand that ...
[12:36] <netrunner> clifford: I even cannot create the package as long as we have no valid license tag for it.
[12:40] <clifford> what exactly are the conditions?
[12:40] <clifford> it eaighter is "Free-to-use" or "Commercial".
[12:42] <clifford> afk (lunch)
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[12:44] <netrunner> clifford: I will forward you the mail he sent to me.
[12:45] <netrunner> clifford: btw, have you received my sms yesterday? I hope you have not answered :)
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[13:05] <clifford> netrunner: /dev/md/4              23G   14G  7.0G  67% /data
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[13:05] <clifford> .. that's better now.
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[13:06] <netrunner> jo
[13:06] <netrunner> mailman told me :)
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[14:45] <owl> moin
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[15:54] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/pipermail/spl/2005-November/000093.html
[15:59] <blindcoder> re
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[16:07] <madtux> hello
[16:09] <blindcoder> moin madtux 
[16:09] <madtux> yar :)
[16:10] <blindcoder> pirates!
[16:10] <madtux> bah :)
[16:11] <blindcoder> you're not a pirate?
[16:11] <madtux> so i have been moved to any new office. got a HUGE window with a really nice view of the city and the mountains behind it... all for me
[16:11] <madtux> :)
[16:11] <madtux> blindcoder: depends... are you?
[16:12] <madtux> also they replaced my fuzzy 17" crt, with a NICE 19" flat screen
[16:14] <blindcoder> sweet
[16:14] <blindcoder> no, I'm a Kendoka :P
[16:16] <madtux> i though you were samurai
[16:16] <blindcoder> almost the same
[16:17] <madtux> ok blindy-chan
[16:17] <madtux> :)
[16:17] <blindcoder> pff
[16:19] <madtux> hmpf
[16:19] <madtux> :)
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[16:21] <owl> re
[16:21] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[16:21] <madtux> hello owlita
[16:21] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[16:21] <owl> hi madtux ;)
[16:36] <blindcoder> okay, this must be one of the dumbest things I ever saw
[16:37] <blindcoder> Originally posted by meranto
[16:37] <blindcoder> The reason why not everything is placed in "/" is that you can't use the same filename twice, so in the end you would have terribly long weird filenames.
[16:37] <madtux> 0_o
[16:38] <blindcoder> The original question was why to use multiple filesystems for /boot, /home, / and not just one big /
[16:38] <mnemoc> in my case because / is real and the others are on LVM
[16:38] <th> in my case / is on LVM too
[16:39] <th> only /boot is real
[16:39] <mnemoc> th: :)
[16:39] <mnemoc> th: i guess i'll do that too
[16:39] <blindcoder> well, /boot is real, / and /home are encrypted :)
[16:39] <th> lvm/crypt all the same
[16:39] <mnemoc> :)
[16:39] <th> (+md)
[16:42] <blindcoder> th: time to write a rockinitrd plugin for lvm *hide*
[16:43] <th> initrd is too 80th for me ;)
[16:43] <th> i boot through my rescue target
[16:43] <th> which is a bit outdated due to udev
[16:55] <blindcoder> building a distribution just to boot my machine is too impractical for me :P
[17:01] <netrunner> apropos udev: I read some things and I think we should put udevstart to /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug. it will call hotplug by itself...
[17:01] <netrunner> and there should be udevd startscript
[17:02] <clifford> netrunner: [2005111114093624063]
[17:06] <esden> hi ho everyone
[17:06] <netrunner> ok. still missing the udevstart part.
[17:06] <th> blindcoder: call it "distribution" call it "package" what's the diff?
[17:08] <blindcoder> th: the diff is calling "mkinitrd" and waiting a few seconds to calling Build-Target and waiting however long it takes to build it
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[17:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: udev will be called by hotplug
[17:08] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[17:08] <pilot> hi all
[17:09] <blindcoder> moin pilot 
[17:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: I want udev to be called by the kernel.
[17:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: why?
[17:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: also, IIRC you would have to put "udev" or "udevsend" there, never "udevstart"
[17:12] <netrunner> hal needs this, as hotplug does not forward all necessary information.
[17:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: sorry, my bad, I meant udevsend
[17:13] <blindcoder> ah, I see
[17:13] <blindcoder> so, how does hardware detection with hal work?
[17:14] <netrunner> half-way. I had old version first, as it works with kde3.4. but it had problems.
[17:14] <esden> blindcoder: I found some things for you ... documentation for your palm ;)
[17:14] <blindcoder> humm
[17:14] <netrunner> so I upgraded, but the new version needs the udevsend there.
[17:14] <esden> do you want it or should I throw it away?
[17:14] <netrunner> I currently get a nice entry for plugged disks. Still have to find a way to get them automatically mouted.
[17:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: So, the old version doesn't do hardware detection and the new one doesn't work with KDE?
[17:14] <blindcoder> esden: the Tungsten E?
[17:14] <netrunner> the new version works with kde 3.5
[17:15] Freak (n=freak@ got netsplit.
[17:15] <blindcoder> 3e.5 isn't "stable" yet, is it?
[17:15] <netrunner> no.
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[17:15] <blindcoder> I think we should postpone hal until KDE 3.5 then
[17:15] <netrunner> bur already rc. until I managed to understand hal, 3.5 will be out :)
[17:15] <esden> blindcoder: Tungsten?
[17:16] <netrunner> I have found irclogs of t2, rene was cursing about hal :)
[17:16] <esden> blindcoder: the palm you bought from me
[17:16] <blindcoder> netrunner: you should create those patches still and put a comment there to wait until KDE 3.5 with them
[17:16] <esden> the old one ... with b&w lcd
[17:16] <blindcoder> esden: uff, I threw that one away a few years ago because the display broke
[17:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: it works without kde. just kde 3.5 will enable kioslave's for hal 0.5
[17:16] <esden> ahh ok ... then I throw the stuff away
[17:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: ah, okay. So if I build KDE 3.4 with hal 0.5 nothing will happen? Also no breakage?
[17:17] <blindcoder> esden: do that :)
[17:17] <esden> blindcoder: good ;)
[17:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: remains to be tested :)
[17:21] <blindcoder> netrunner: please do and submit the changes if it works.
[17:21] <blindcoder> I'm very interested in HAL because it gives me some nice ideas for LVP and the encryption plugin for rockinitrd
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[17:29] <esden> humm ... liquid nitrogen icecream ... nice
[17:29] <blindcoder> o_O
[17:52] <esden> blindcoder: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000307067503/
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[18:25] <netrunner> hm. ivman now mounts my usb devices ...
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[18:37] <netrunner> clifford: so say something about the license tag of qt. it cannot be more wrong.
[18:40] <netrunner> (it is only valid vor qt >4.0)
[18:43] <netrunner> s/vo/fo/
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[18:58] <elpedroson> hello
[18:58] <elpedroson> does anyone knows a good wine irc chanel?
[18:58] <netrunner> #wine probably :)
[18:58] <netrunner> bbl
[18:59] <elpedroson> lol
[18:59] <elpedroson> how about a Diablo II chanel?
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