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[10:01] <blindcoder> moin
[10:25] <owl> moin
[10:25] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[10:41] <netrunner>  moin, 2
[10:41] <netrunner> ts, 3 month I expect my mother to visit me in russia ... who arrives at the airport? - gf.
[10:48] <esden> moin
[10:49] <owl> hi esden 
[10:49] <esden> god my head ... damn ... damn alcohol and chicks ;)
[10:50] <esden> hi owl
[11:18] <blindcoder> remoin
[11:18] <blindcoder> esden: even though you have three clones you must not drink four times as much :P
[11:18] <blindcoder> and I hate you for the chicks :P
[11:21] Action: blindcoder goes back to watching pr0n^W^Wwork
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[11:38] <owl> hi esden 
[11:46] <SMP> hey there Pilot
[11:46] <Pilot> greets to all
[11:59] <blindcoder> re
[13:07] <daja77> re
[13:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: how is hal?
[13:18] <daja77> hm kde 3.5 still fails on attr package >_<
[13:19] <blindcoder> even though it's in /lib now?
[13:20] <daja77> well I was too quick it is not
[13:20] <daja77> the cp hook does not work
[13:20] <daja77> not even a cp in the debug shell works
[13:20] <daja77> and I don't know why
[13:22] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:22] <blindcoder> I do know that there is special handling of .{l,}a files in the ROCK code somewhere
[13:23] <daja77> ah that might explain it
[13:23] <blindcoder> yes
[13:23] <blindcoder> because some time back we defined them to belong to /usr/lib/
[13:23] <daja77> the thing is, it really has to be there
[13:23] <blindcoder> why?
[13:23] <blindcoder> is this a kde thing?
[13:24] <daja77> no
[13:24] <blindcoder> or a standards thing?
[13:24] <daja77> yes
[13:24] <daja77> it is a standard location for that file
[13:24] <blindcoder> well, the nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from
[13:24] <daja77> fedora had it in /usr/lib too and this was filed as a distribution bug
[13:24] <blindcoder> isn't it possible to patch kde to search /usr/lib/?
[13:25] <daja77> blindcoder: if we have bad luck other packages want it there too, plus even libtool complains about it in attr.log
[13:25] <blindcoder> urg
[13:25] <blindcoder> okay
[13:26] <daja77> so we have now a distribution bug too ;)
[13:26] <blindcoder> daja77: we should make that a .conf variable
[13:26] <blindcoder> I suggest fixstaticliblocation
[13:27] <daja77> blindcoder: everything I tried in .conf did not work, including install_filter_wrapper
[13:27] <blindcoder> yes
[13:27] <blindcoder> Build-Pkg line 944
[13:28] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:28] <blindcoder> no
[13:28] <blindcoder> that's not it
[13:29] <blindcoder> ah
[13:30] <blindcoder> scripts/functions line 321
[13:33] <blindcoder> daja77: 2005120213331705048
[13:36] <daja77> I#ll try
[13:36] <daja77> now I also see why $root was empty >_<
[13:36] <blindcoder> why?
[13:37] <daja77> root=""
[13:38] <blindcoder> oh
[13:38] <blindcoder> yes, that would make $root empty ;)
[13:39] <daja77> so I have to add what to the .conf
[13:39] <blindcoder> fixstaticlibdir=0
[13:39] <blindcoder> it's untested, btw ;)
[13:39] <daja77> doesn't matter, it is all about testing
[13:47] <daja77> blindcoder: whoa seems to work
[13:50] <blindcoder> :)
[13:51] <daja77> kdelibs build is running now
[13:52] <blindcoder> hehe
[13:53] <blindcoder> it's nice causing SUN problems after they caused some for me
[13:53] <daja77> taking ages as usual ;)
[13:53] <daja77> hehe
[13:53] <blindcoder> their stupid online trainings are all flash crap
[13:53] <blindcoder> three hours of flash
[13:53] <daja77> d'oh
[13:53] <daja77> does flash run on solaris? ;)
[13:54] <blindcoder> with voice-over, so someone is talking to you and so you should learn the stuff
[13:54] <blindcoder> well, yes
[13:54] <blindcoder> but I don't have Solaris
[13:54] <blindcoder> I have ROCK :P
[13:54] <daja77> yeah me too
[13:54] <blindcoder> and the flash plugin for mozilla/linux uses OSS
[13:54] <blindcoder> but I only have ALSA
[13:54] <blindcoder> so, no sound
[13:54] <daja77> i once installed solaris on this machine because a rock build was still running but it did not boot up after install
[13:55] <daja77> have you tried snd-pcm-oss?
[13:55] <blindcoder> and now I've told our contact person at SUN that I had "severe problems taking the training" 
[13:55] <blindcoder> daja77: well... I didn't have it :P
[13:55] <blindcoder> and even then
[13:55] <daja77> why▀
[13:55] <blindcoder> I couldn't hear my favorite webradio while taking the course ;)
[13:55] <daja77> we have it in the standard kernel
[13:55] <blindcoder> well, I didn't need it until now
[13:55] <daja77> lol
[13:56] <daja77> i need it for skype
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[13:56] <blindcoder> skype doesn't work here
[13:56] <blindcoder> gcc 3.4.0 installed, but skype is linked agains 3.2
[13:57] <blindcoder> and when I install gcc and recompile mplayer, mplayer doesn't work anymore because it links against both the 3.4 and 3.2 libraries
[13:57] <blindcoder> moin markuman 
[13:57] <daja77> blindcoder: i have gcc 3.4.3 and it works
[13:57] <markuman> moin blindcoder  & co
[13:58] <daja77> blindcoder: d'oh ;)
[13:58] <blindcoder> daja77: can you paste me a ldd skype?
[13:58] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ ldd /opt/skype/skype
[13:58] <blindcoder> /opt/skype/skype: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `GLIBCPP_3.2' not found (required by /opt/skype/skype)
[13:59] <blindcoder> /opt/skype/skype: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5: version `CXXABI_1.2' not found (required by /opt/skype/skype)
[13:59] <daja77> i have the so called static linked version
[13:59] <blindcoder> same here
[14:01] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:/opt# mine -q gcc34
[14:01] <blindcoder> gcc34 3.4.3 0
[14:01] <daja77> hm strange
[14:02] <daja77> i have a gcc32 installed additionally
[14:03] <blindcoder> yeah, then it works here, too
[14:03] <daja77> ah :)
[14:03] <blindcoder> but as I said, when I then compile mplayer with gcc34 it links against both gcc34 and gcc32 and then totally barfs
[14:04] <daja77> hm so you should set the libs for mplayer explicit
[14:04] <blindcoder> Build-Pkg?
[14:05] <daja77> or compile mplayer before installing gcc32
[14:05] <daja77> the lazy way ;)
[14:05] <blindcoder> yeah, but for updates I need to recompile mplayer
[14:05] <daja77> hm guess i did that too
[14:06] <daja77> oh sorry gcc34 is 3.4.2 here
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[14:49] <hanno> hi, are you already working on gcc 4.1? (in the past rocklinux often was a good source for new-gcc-compatibility-patches)
[14:53] <blindcoder> hmm, I don't think 4.1 was already picked up
[14:53] <blindcoder> but it might be a good time to do so
[14:53] <hanno> it's in your trunk
[14:53] <blindcoder> ah
[14:53] <blindcoder> hmm, i think stf did some gcc 4.0 work, so that stuff compiles there recently
[14:53] <blindcoder> but 4.1, I'm not sure
[14:54] <blindcoder> I'll give a 4.1 build a go
[14:54] <hanno> I'm working on getting gentoo 4.1-ready
[14:55] <hanno> would probably make sense to exchange work
[14:55] <blindcoder> true
[14:55] <hanno> I've most things running, currently wxwidgets fails for me
[14:56] <blindcoder> have there been many problems?
[14:56] <hanno> most of them were trivial
[14:56] <blindcoder> I guess most of the patches needed for gcc40 are valid for 41
[14:57] <hanno> sure, but there are some more things in 4.1
[14:58] Action: blindcoder downloading sources
[14:58] <blindcoder> humm
[14:59] <blindcoder> I just got a request to join my dojo at the kendo tournament next week
[14:59] <hanno> most issues are wrong c++-namespace appearings
[14:59] <hanno> e.g. a test::functionname, where test is not needed
[15:00] <blindcoder> I see
[15:02] <hanno> feel free to mail me (mail@hboeck.de) or look in the portage-tree for patches
[15:02] <blindcoder> will do, thanks
[15:02] <hanno> they should be all sent to upstream devs (at least mine are)
[15:04] <blindcoder> yeah, I don't like having dozens of "fix this for new compiler" patches lying around either
[15:06] <owl> grunz. 
[15:07] <blindcoder> schweinepest?
[15:07] <owl> i wish so... 
[15:08] <owl> that the customer... 
[15:08] <owl> *oink*
[15:08] <owl> music. now. immediately! 
[15:10] <blindcoder> humm
[15:10] <blindcoder> maybe I shouldn't host the kendo pics on my DSL line
[15:11] <owl> GNARF. just windowze-"coders" are using whitespaces for ident...
[15:11] <owl> blindcoder: hum?
[15:11] <mnemoc> python
[15:11] <blindcoder> owl: oh, my DSL line is being saturated right now
[15:11] <blindcoder> also know as DDoS'd by over-use ;)
[15:12] <owl> lol. and you think kendo-photos would help?
[15:12] <th> owl: what do you use for indentation?
[15:12] <owl> th: tabs. 
[15:13] <th> owl: tabs are whitespaces
[15:13] <blindcoder> owl: no, the kendo photos are what cause the saturation by overuse
[15:13] <owl> yeah, but not like in pressing 20 times the space-key
[15:13] <owl> blindcoder: aaaaaaaaargh. iam blind. didn't see the "n't" O_O
[15:13] <th> owl: so with your initial statement you wanted to say "... are using spaces for indent"?
[15:14] <owl> yeah 
[15:14] <owl> .oO( th is in bad mood? )
[15:15] <mnemoc> 0x20 :)
[15:15] <blindcoder> %20
[15:15] <th> " "
[15:15] <th> owl: not at all
[15:16] <th> owl: but you attacked all python programmers.
[15:16] <th> owl: and all who do indentation at all.
[15:17] <blindcoder> don't we all look down upon python coders? *hides*
[15:17] Action: mnemoc hurt
[15:17] <th> mnemoc: wanna help me hurt blindy?
[15:17] <mnemoc> he is good on kendo.... but.... let do it :)
[15:18] <owl> th: nope. not really. just people who us whitespaces (like in pressing the space-key) - like my ex-boss :)
[15:19] <mnemoc> # vim:set shiftwidth=4 tabstop=4 expandtab textwidth=79
[15:19] <mnemoc> on the header of every file
[15:20] <th> owl: "like in pressing the space-key" ... you missunderstood the term "whitespace"
[15:20] <th> owl: it includes \t \n \r
[15:21] <th> mnemoc: so you are using spaces as well
[15:21] <blindcoder> I remember using spaces back when I started coding
[15:21] <Pilot> bb all
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[15:21] <mnemoc> th: on python and xml files :)
[15:21] <blindcoder> well, after a month or two of not indenting at all
[15:21] <th> mnemoc: why dont you use tabs there?
[15:22] <blindcoder> ah, turbo pascal... good times, those
[15:23] <mnemoc> th: spaces have always the same length, tabs are subjective
[15:23] <mnemoc> th: when someone start using tabs of 4 chars the code start chaotic
[15:25] <mnemoc> th: and vim makes spaces as good as tabs on smart indenting or backspace
[15:25] <th> mnemoc: using spaces disables the possibility to view your code with a different tabstop
[15:25] <mnemoc> th: that's precisely the goal
[15:27] <th> mnemoc: that's precisely the reason why i use tabs.
[15:28] <th> mnemoc: you can always replace `s/\t/    /` to give code to others
[15:28] <th> mnemoc: but you can never revert this
[15:28] <th> mnemoc: that's why i prever \t for this purpose
[15:28] <mnemoc> s/\t/    / is rarely valid
[15:28] <th> s/^\t/    / is
[15:28] <mnemoc> :)
[15:29] <th> this would of course only replace the first indentation level... but you know there is some RE pattern out there
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[15:57] <blindcoder> okay, just registered for the tournament next week
[15:58] <mnemoc> to watch? :p
[15:59] <blindcoder> nah, to fight
[15:59] <mnemoc> :)
[16:00] <owl> gnarf. /me bites herself
[16:02] <mnemoc> o.o
[16:03] <owl> i wondered why there is no model-listed... studied mysql-queries. and then, i saw the problem... there was no model-nr given... *headshot*
[16:03] <owl> --> i am allowed to do so, yeah? :)
[16:04] <mnemoc> OT: thinking in blindcoder all sweat fighting with his bamboo sword?
[16:04] Action: blindcoder breaths hard
[16:04] <mnemoc> err...s/OT/owl/
[16:05] <mnemoc> :\
[16:05] <blindcoder> .oO( I have... *breath* to stop... *breath* him or else... *breath* we're all doomed... *breath* )
[16:05] <owl> mnemoc: nah. thought that the module is looking for the model (as it was written there...) - and after studying the query i know that it was looking for the model-nr ;)
[16:09] <owl> so. break now. washing my bird's cage ^^
[16:10] <mnemoc> :)
[16:52] <daja77> aaargh
[16:53] <blindcoder> hm?
[16:54] <blindcoder> exec daja77 -v
[16:55] <daja77> I copied the wrong .la file to that location
[16:55] <blindcoder> ehm
[16:56] <daja77> /lib/.libs/libattr.so: No such file or directory
[16:56] <daja77> ...
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[17:23] <blindcoder> wine's now punching out releases like crazy, huh?+
[17:25] <daja77> yeah seems so
[17:25] <daja77> now using versions instead of dates
[17:26] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:26] <mnemoc> versions make it look more 'planned'
[17:26] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:26] <daja77> *gg*
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[17:54] <owl> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. *shivers*
[18:00] <blindcoder> true
[18:00] <blindcoder> it's getting cold
[18:00] <blindcoder> must be the season
[18:04] <owl> nah
[18:05] <mnemoc> blindcoder! sed question. how can i get `sed -n -e 's,pat,\1,p' | head -n 1` without calling head?
[18:06] <blindcoder> mpff
[18:06] <blindcoder> hmm
[18:06] <blindcoder> add another -e 's,\n.*$,,g' ?
[18:07] <mnemoc> ugly :(
[18:07] <blindcoder> #define ugly acceptable
[18:07] <mnemoc> sed -n -e '1 s,pat,\1,p'    works :p
[18:08] Action: blindcoder writes that down
[18:08] <mnemoc> *g*
[18:11] <mnemoc> uhm... false
[18:11] <mnemoc> only on the first line
[18:11] <mnemoc> :'(
[18:13] <mnemoc> <prec> sed -n -e '/pattern/{s//\1/;p;q;}'
[18:15] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off
[18:15] <blindcoder> kendo training
[18:16] <mnemoc> have fun
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[22:50] <owl> gnarf. what does a HDD want to say which makes such things?
[22:50] <owl> dd: writing to `/dev/sda': Input/output error
[22:50] <owl> (while dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda )
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