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[09:59] <netrunner> daja77: all kde-packages have built now. the noinstall-bdb patch in kdevelop can be deleted as there is no bdb any more. [09:59] SMP_ (n=stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:07] SMP (n=stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) got lost in the net-split. [12:01] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-041-189.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:01] blindcoder (n=blindcod@dslb-084-059-054-185.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:02] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [12:45] Nick change: SMP_ -> SMP [13:06] Action: netrunner uploading the kde update to russia :) [13:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: any idea when the hal stuff will be "stable"? [13:07] <blindcoder> so I can run a compile and install on my test machine? [13:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: what is in submaster should be stable from my side :) [13:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, they seem to be recalled and resubmitted quite frequently [13:11] <netrunner> blindcoder: I had noticed a typo. fixed the typo, but forget to commit it in submaster before recreating the patch ... [13:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: Now I would say I'd appreciate feedback. maybe I have missed sth :) [13:15] <blindcoder> okay [13:15] <blindcoder> I'll run a build at home with the kde/hal stuff [13:15] <blindcoder> bbl [13:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: daja has mentioned that for newest kernel there might be a reworked joystick patch necessary. [13:34] <daja77> netrunner: have you updated kdevelop? [13:36] <owl> moin [13:37] <netrunner> daja77: yes, to 3.3.0 [13:37] <daja77> good [14:29] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) joined #rocklinux. [14:29] <madtux> hello. [14:29] <daja77> hi miguel [14:30] <madtux> Hi danny boy [14:31] <netrunner> hey maddy [14:31] <madtux> netty! [14:51] <daja77> oh let's see of that kernel issue is to be blamed on my kernel patch for two kernel releases earlier [14:56] <blindcoder> moin madtux [14:57] <netrunner> hm, good time to do a sm sync ... [15:00] <netrunner> 4 minutes and my kdeupdate is here :) [15:02] <daja77> netrunner: i currently try if package/base/linux/linux26/90-joystick_h.patch is the root of all evil [15:03] <madtux> hi blindy [15:05] Action: netrunner wonders if I should uninstall kde 3.4.2 before installing 3.5.0 ... [15:06] Action: daja77 screams [15:09] <blindcoder> daja77: ouch [15:09] <daja77> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libattr.la' is not a valid libtool archive [15:10] <daja77> >_< [15:10] <blindcoder> now I'm the blinddeafcoder [15:10] <netrunner> daja77: ? [15:11] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:11] <netrunner> daja77: maybe you have the libattr moving around stuff installed? [15:11] <mnemoc> daja77: you broke it or netrunner's patch? [15:11] <daja77> mnemoc: i don't know [15:11] Action: daja77 trying to rebuild acl after attr [15:26] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) joined #rocklinux. [15:38] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:42] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) joined #rocklinux. [15:45] Action: netrunner started a livecd build for a change and goes home [15:47] <netrunner> hm, running download after sm sync would be a good idea :) [15:57] <blindcoder> Finished building package xorg. [15:57] <blindcoder> YAY! [16:00] <netrunner> blindcoder: what was so special about it? [16:00] <blindcoder> static linking [16:00] <blindcoder> and failed the last three times [16:01] <blindcoder> meaning that LVP 0.5.2-dev has just successfully compiled ;) [16:10] <clifford> *argwl* [16:11] <clifford> did anyone actually built the glibc 2.3.5 NPTL stuff ? [16:11] <daja77> iirc smp tried [16:12] <clifford> i keep getting the impression thatthe whole NPTL thing is just a myth and noone actually got it running.. [16:12] <blindcoder> moin clifford [16:12] <blindcoder> heh [16:12] <daja77> clifford: i got that impression from glibc hppa [16:12] <blindcoder> what is NPTL actually supposed to make better? [16:12] <daja77> threads [16:12] <blindcoder> well [16:12] <clifford> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! [16:13] <blindcoder> in what way? [16:13] <blindcoder> AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHH [16:13] <clifford> now I feel better. [16:13] <blindcoder> why does everyone scream today >_< [16:13] <blindcoder> and always near my ears *rubs his hurting ears* [16:13] <daja77> blindcoder: just a habbit [16:13] <daja77> -b [16:15] <madtux> r [16:15] <madtux> e [16:15] <madtux> :) [16:15] <clifford> this is amazing: [16:15] <clifford> #define lll_futex_wait(futex, val) do { .... } while (0) [16:15] <clifford> so far, so good. [16:15] <clifford> but now have a look how this is used: [16:16] <clifford> int err = lll_futex_wait (futex, 0); [16:16] <blindcoder> do while (0)? [16:16] <daja77> clifford: ouch [16:16] <blindcoder> okay, I don't get it... [16:17] <clifford> I really can't imagine how this could have compiled in any test build. [16:17] <clifford> and now the best part: [16:17] <clifford> this (and some other stuff) has been reported. [16:17] <clifford> multiple times. [16:17] <clifford> the answer from th glibc people: [16:17] <clifford> --snip-- [16:18] <th> BLINK [16:18] <clifford> If you try to compile glibc yourself and have build errors or test case [16:18] <clifford> failures you do not understand, then do not report them in bugzilla. The [16:18] <clifford> developers do builds and make check runs on a regular basis, and if there is [16:18] <clifford> any real problem they will notice it and fix it quickly. [16:18] <clifford> --snap-- [16:18] <daja77> wtf? [16:18] <blindcoder> hehehehe [16:18] <netrunner> *ROFLBC* [16:18] <blindcoder> sooo [16:18] <blindcoder> can someone explain the problem to me? [16:18] <blindcoder> because I really don't get it [16:20] <clifford> blindcoder: https://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/q10.4.html [16:20] <blindcoder> *click* [16:20] <clifford> .. and it is pretty clear that this can't return anything and so a "int err = do { .. } while(0);" can't work. [16:21] <blindcoder> ah [16:22] <blindcoder> maybe they define int void somewhere else ;) [16:22] Action: netrunner running kde 3.5 ... first impression: eye-candy-bloat [16:23] <blindcoder> 2well [16:23] <blindcoder> it IS KDE you're talking about [16:23] Action: daja77 likes eye candy bloat [16:24] <netrunner> the knotes now have an icon of a pin that is growing out of the note ... [16:24] <daja77> clifford: you should put that answer on the homepage [16:25] <daja77> just in case anybody complains ;) [16:25] <blindcoder> wow... [16:25] <blindcoder> I never thought I'd actually GET that error in LVP... [16:26] <netrunner> bwaah "a new medium was found. type of media: dvd video disk. what do you want to do?" [16:26] <clifford> ... now updating to glibc 2.3.6 ... [16:26] <blindcoder> "EEP! I have not found any cdroms!" [16:26] <blindcoder> "Press -<enter>- to shut down." [16:26] <daja77> 2.3.6 is released? [16:26] <blindcoder> netrunner: yeah, I heard rumors of that... [16:26] <clifford> daja77: a month ago [16:27] <netrunner> but kwirelessapplet has no transparent background. [16:27] <daja77> oh ... interesting [16:27] <blindcoder> netrunner: *phew* [16:27] <daja77> perhaps it has fixes on hppa in it [16:27] <clifford> but I have no idea if it actually is functional.. [16:27] <daja77> well ... [16:28] <blindcoder> netrunner: anything with transparency? [16:29] <netrunner> blindcoder: pseudo-transparency. [16:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: deactivatable, I assume [16:29] <netrunner> sure [16:29] <netrunner> but that is old. [16:29] <blindcoder> hmm [16:29] <blindcoder> never seen any transparency in KDE [16:29] <blindcoder> and I sure as hell don't want to [16:34] Action: netrunner has tried the xorg transparency support. but it is not complete and very slow. [16:34] <netrunner> (not from kde side, but from xorg side) [16:35] <blindcoder> i fail to see why one wouldn't want to see the window he operates in clearly [16:36] Action: netrunner would like to see the shape of his background picture shining through the boring work in his xterm [16:37] Action: blindcoder thinks of his own background image and decides that it would actually distract him from work [16:37] <daja77> *lol* [16:39] Action: netrunner looses 1/4 workspace by grouping xterms around interesting areas of the background image. [16:39] Action: blindcoder hands netrunner a screen [16:40] <netrunner> blindcoder: screen is text-mode only. doesn't help arranging xterms :) [16:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: no, but you can thus have several terminals in one xterm [16:40] <blindcoder> thus needing less space ;) [16:42] <netrunner> blindcoder: I already use screen :) [16:43] <blindcoder> same here [16:43] <blindcoder> in a maximized konsole [16:43] <netrunner> konsole is so slow in scrolling :/ [16:44] <netrunner> when used with transparent background :) [16:44] <blindcoder> huh? [16:44] <blindcoder> aaah [16:44] <blindcoder> so turn off that stupidity [16:44] <netrunner> no. :) [16:45] <blindcoder> pff [16:45] Action: clifford is listening to "trashbeat" in an endless loop since some time now .. I think I'm slowly becoming crazy from it .. try it out: [16:45] <clifford> www.clifford.at/TuxTronic/trashbeat.mp3 [16:45] <blindcoder> can't afforg becoming crazy [16:45] <blindcoder> have a kendo tournament coming up tomorrow [16:45] <clifford> I think (hope) that it is just a temporary phenomenon. [16:46] <daja77> *click* [16:46] <daja77> clifford: perhaps that bein crazy thing is glibc related [16:46] <netrunner> blindcoder: but it seems konsole has become faster now ... [16:47] <clifford> daja77: I only used samples from an industrial plant for that one. [16:47] <clifford> (I made the tracks 3 or 4 years ago) [16:47] <daja77> ;) [16:47] <clifford> thus the name "trashbeat". [16:47] <daja77> can't listen here in the office, will do later [16:48] <clifford> hmm.. glibc 2.3.6 is also broken. [16:48] <blindcoder> surprise, surprise ;) [16:48] <daja77> what a surprise [16:48] <daja77> heh [16:48] <clifford> they don't listen to bug reports - so they don't fix the bugs.. [16:49] <clifford> gcc 3.4.5 is out. [16:49] <daja77> because they think they don't have them .. [16:49] <blindcoder> submit a bugreport about them not listen to bug reports ;) [16:49] <blindcoder> "We know what's good for you. Here's your medicine." [16:49] <daja77> clifford: if this build finished ok, we could consider switching to 4.0.2 [16:50] <clifford> daja77: hmm.. I think my glibc update will brake some gcc4 stuff again. [16:51] <clifford> .. most of the gcc4 fixes didn't apply anymore - I guess because they applied most of them. [16:51] <daja77> clifford: i could try to collect some dan kegel patches again, like i did the last time [16:51] <clifford> so I simply removed those which didn't apply against glibc 2.3.6 .. [16:52] <netrunner> tar: squashfs2.2-r2/linux-2.6.14/squashfs2.2-patch: Not found in archive [16:53] <daja77> ah ic there are no updated patches for 2.3.6 yet [16:53] <daja77> netrunner: yes the patch is selected by the kernel version, try to set it to an older one [16:53] <daja77> it probably applies [16:54] <daja77> netrunner: kdebase now built [16:55] <netrunner> daja77: have I done sth wrong? [16:55] <daja77> no [16:56] <netrunner> phew :) [16:56] <daja77> the new kernel headers do not have the problem I fixed some releases ago [16:57] <daja77> netrunner: see 2005120916572325670 [17:02] <netrunner> daja77: ok. [17:08] Action: netrunner sometimes gets stale nfs handles during cluster build :( [17:16] <clifford> blindcoder: where is the wiki page for 22C3 topics? [17:17] <blindcoder> https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/TopicsCCC2005 [17:17] <blindcoder> so, I'm off [17:17] <clifford> blindcoder: mom!! [17:17] <blindcoder> visiting the today to-be-opened Linux Trend Store [17:17] <clifford> what happened to that page? [17:17] <blindcoder> ehm... nothing? [17:17] <clifford> I've added already some topics.. [17:17] <blindcoder> it's still there and doing fine [17:17] <blindcoder> humm [17:18] <blindcoder> you haven't submitted them then [17:18] <blindcoder> history only shows two commits [17:18] <clifford> yes I just saw that. [17:18] <clifford> are you surer that there maybe hasn't been another page too [17:18] <blindcoder> https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/SuggestionForNewCommitModel [17:18] <blindcoder> this one [17:18] <clifford> (I also remember some topics which weren't from me which are not on that page eighter) [17:18] <blindcoder> other than those, there are none [17:19] <blindcoder> at least not in rockdoc... [17:19] <blindcoder> maybe they came up in another wiki I'm not aware of right now? [17:19] <clifford> I'm pretty sure it was the Docwiki. [17:19] <blindcoder> humm [17:19] <blindcoder> I also can't remember any commit mails [17:20] Action: clifford can't remember what the stuff was he posted already. [17:20] <clifford> ah! yes.. [17:20] <blindcoder> hm? [17:20] <blindcoder> where did you put it? [17:21] <blindcoder> clifford: still need me? I'd like to get going. Linux Trend Store awaits me ;) [17:22] <blindcoder> conveniently placed next to where I have Kendo Training later on ;) [17:23] <clifford> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!!!!!! [17:23] <blindcoder> huh? [17:23] <blindcoder> HELP [17:23] <blindcoder> AAAH! [17:23] <blindcoder> clifford is going to rape me! [17:23] <clifford> I clicked the "Save" button in the RockDoc wiki and it showed me the edit page again without my changes. [17:23] <blindcoder> clifford: you just rm -rf /? [17:23] <blindcoder> huh? [17:24] <blindcoder> well, It Shouldn't Do That(tm) [17:24] <blindcoder> hmm [17:24] <blindcoder> interesting [17:24] <clifford> I can reproduce it. [17:24] <blindcoder> I see the problem [17:24] <blindcoder> yeah, same here [17:24] <blindcoder> that's an untested usecase ;) [17:24] <clifford> saving a change? [17:25] <blindcoder> no [17:25] <clifford> how did all that stuff go into the wiki then? *g* [17:25] <blindcoder> saving directly without previewing [17:25] <blindcoder> hmm [17:25] <blindcoder> oh [17:25] <blindcoder> that bug certainly is new [17:25] <clifford> it also doesn't work with the preview [17:25] <blindcoder> I wonder where it snuck in [17:26] <blindcoder> clifford: you must change the username from subwiki to something else for it to work [17:26] <blindcoder> that's why on "Preview" the text "Author:" is bold [17:26] <blindcoder> it's a leftover from the wikispam attack earlier this year [17:27] <clifford> ic. [17:27] <clifford> hmm.. the glibc build is looking good so far. [17:28] <blindcoder> okay, this needs a more in-depth look [17:28] <blindcoder> I know where the problem comes from [17:29] <blindcoder> but I can't think of a cure right now [17:29] <blindcoder> I'll tackle this on Sunday [17:29] <clifford> have a look at the page - I proposed a solution.. ;-) [17:29] <blindcoder> yeah, I saw it [17:29] <blindcoder> and I think that's a bad idea for a few reasons [17:29] <blindcoder> which I'll explain at 22C3 ;) [17:29] markuman (n=supermar@p50926201.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:30] <clifford> good. [17:30] <blindcoder> okay, I'm off [17:30] <blindcoder> see you then [17:30] <clifford> I can do explainations to me. ;-) [17:30] <clifford> HEUREKA [17:30] <clifford> == 12/09/05 17:48:44 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc23. [17:31] Action: netrunner thinks clifford is very emotional today [17:32] <mnemoc> :) [17:35] Action: clifford want's to have a crystal with NPTL and GCC4 on 22C3. [17:37] <netrunner> does anyone know something automatic to lock out ssh login scans? [17:38] <clifford> "rc sshd stop" would do the job. ;-) [17:38] <netrunner> clifford: ok. and next time I can start it is when I come home in january? [17:39] <clifford> but you can sleep well until then because you know noone will do ssh login scans on your host.. [17:40] <clifford> ok. seriously. this might not what you have been looking for but does a pretty good job on locking down stuff such as ssh: [17:40] <clifford> https://oss.linbit.com/trapdoor2/ [17:43] <netrunner> clifford: so I would first need to send a magick cookie before I can login? [17:43] <clifford> yes. [17:44] <clifford> a little bit like portknocking - but much cleaner. [17:46] <netrunner> interestingly I only care about my ssh, because it fills my logs. other services might be attackt that I don't think about :) [17:49] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:55] <netrunner> hm. my build node fails to build packages in stage 0/1 :( [17:55] <netrunner> (cannot autodetect srctar) [18:10] youngcoder (n=codemast@166M30.oasis.mediatti.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.37) joined #rocklinux. [18:58] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.2) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:59] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [19:09] <netrunner> configure: error: GMP with MPFR support is required to build f95 [19:10] <netrunner> gcc40 fails to build here :( [19:11] <netrunner> whatever GMP with MPFR support is. [20:00] <netrunner> :) " I heard gentoo users unroll their toilet paper and rebuild the roll while having a 'session' " [20:02] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: GMP = GNU multiple precision arithmetic library [20:02] <stf^rocklinux> if gcc40 is the default compiler GMP has to be built in stage 1 [20:03] <stf^rocklinux> if f95 compiler is to be built [20:03] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: ah ok. [20:03] <netrunner> so I should probably add gmp to livecd [20:03] <stf^rocklinux> wouldn't hurt [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> but gcc40 as default compiler is not that well tested [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> some non-core packages might not build with it [20:05] <stf^rocklinux> actually I'm pretty sure some won't build without patching ^^ [20:06] <netrunner> stf: I heard daja is quite advanced in his build without major issues [20:07] <stf^rocklinux> core and bootdisk packages should build with gcc40 by now [20:10] Action: netrunner trying... also with new pkgselection fluff :) [20:10] <stf^rocklinux> me too ^^ [20:44] [anders-mcafee] (n=assassin@213.208.70.155) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] [anders-mcafee] (n=assassin@213.208.70.155) joined #rocklinux. [21:08] <netrunner> configure: error: forced unwind support is required [21:08] <netrunner> so where do I get forced unwind support? :) [21:09] <stf^rocklinux> for which package? [21:10] <mnemoc> --enable-forced-unwind-whatever? [21:12] <stf^rocklinux> may be worth a try ^^ [21:12] <stf^rocklinux> which package is this configure for? [21:19] <netrunner> error in glibc23 [21:19] <stf^rocklinux> 2.3.6? [21:20] <netrunner> yes. maybe it is dependent on activation of nptl? [21:20] <netrunner> clifford: have you tested the glibc patch in a full build? [21:23] markuman (n=supermar@p50926201.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.linwiki.org - wiki around os linux!! #linwiki" [21:34] <netrunner> hm. it seems it is something the copiler needs to support. and my not-so-old build doesn't :( [21:39] <stf^rocklinux> maybe this helps: https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-glibc@lists.debian.org/msg28460.html ? [21:41] <stf^rocklinux> from https://linux-setup.news-view.co.uk/topic-5162.html : unwind is a compiler feature, so you need to upgrade or build your compiler unwind support withikn. [21:42] <netrunner> stf: first link is not helpful. second is what I already said, it seems to be something my gcc misses [21:43] <netrunner> will try to tell him to cross-compile. [21:47] <netrunner> maybe the nptl should only be enabled in chroot? [22:10] <stf^rocklinux> the check for forced unwind support is in glibc-2.3.6/nptl/sysdeps/pthread/configure [22:11] <stf^rocklinux> running configure on the command line with gcc34 here says it has forced unwind support [22:20] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: I guess forced unwind support is not available in stage 0 gccs? [22:21] <stf^rocklinux> in what stage does the error appear? [22:22] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.37) got netsplit. [22:22] SMP (n=stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) got netsplit. [22:22] th (n=th@montana.hbsn.de) got netsplit. [22:22] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) got netsplit. [22:22] owl (n=owl@62.4.80.218) got netsplit. [22:23] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.37) returned to #rocklinux. 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