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[02:03] <owl> god. how can someone produce soooooooo ugly sourcecode??! HOW?!
[02:06] <stf^rocklinux> writing ugly code is easy...
[02:06] <owl> but why so painful?!
[02:06] <owl>  if (EDIT_INFOICE_SHOW_CNR == 'ja') {
[02:06] <owl>    ?>     
[02:06] <owl>           
[02:07] <stf^rocklinux> what's that supposed to be? C? Java?
[02:08] <owl> or: <?php echo SHOPBETREIBER . '&nbsp;*' . SHOPSTRASSE . '&nbsp;*' . SHOPSTADT 
[02:08] <owl> php
[02:08] <owl> once i saw the code first time i thought "wow. VB-coder trying to do with php"...
[02:08] <owl> well... i am currently trying to rewrite it into something usable
[02:08] <owl> and it's just - painful :)
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[08:30] <blindcoder> moin
[09:13] <netrunner> moin, 2
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[12:02] <netrunner> how was the nptl glibc problem resolved?
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[13:22] <madtux> hello.
[13:23] <daja77> hi miguel
[13:23] <madtux> Hi Danny boy
[13:26] <clifford> "Danny Boy" ?
[13:26] <clifford> *rotfl*
[13:27] <blindcoder> moin *
[13:27] <daja77> >_<
[13:28] <madtux> hello there cliff.
[13:28] <madtux> hallo blindy
[13:28] <daja77> damn I forgot my third topic for c3 discussion
[13:30] <madtux> How can u possibly forget something like that?
[13:30] <madtux> Damn it.
[13:31] <daja77> I will remember I guess
[13:33] <madtux> Yeah drink some beer... it will all come back to you once u are drunk enough.
[13:34] <blindcoder> hehe
[13:35] <madtux> :)
[13:57] <blindcoder> hmm, transferring 400 pics with 1 MB each takes ages >_<
[13:57] <blindcoder> NO, NO PR0N PICS!
[13:57] <daja77> no fo course not ...
[13:58] <blindcoder> :P
[13:59] <daja77> the pron pics are 3gb ...
[13:59] <blindcoder> four, eh, I mean... DAMN
[13:59] <daja77> :D
[14:19] <blindcoder> finally done
[14:19] <blindcoder> anyone care to beta-test my new image gallery?
[14:21] <madtux> i would.
[14:21] <daja77> by viewing pics?
[14:22] <daja77> just give the link to the pr0n
[14:23] <madtux> daja77, u sick little.. @%@^%!
[14:23] <daja77> you were the first to see them ...
[14:24] <madtux> i haven't seen anything
[14:24] <madtux> :)
[14:24] <blindcoder> give me two minutes to pre-create the thumbnails
[14:24] <madtux> God damn it blindcoder .. you think we have all day? hurry!
[14:25] <blindcoder> :P
[14:25] <madtux> *G*
[14:25] <blindcoder> http://blog.crash-override.net/kendo/cgi-bin/index.sh
[14:25] <blindcoder> The first two entries are pre-created already
[14:25] <blindcoder> the last one isn't yet
[14:26] <madtux> ph34r http://blog.crash-override.net/kendo/cgi-bin/index.sh?id=2005-12-10_Kyu_Turnier;range=00;view=dscf0010.jpg
[14:27] <madtux> very nice.
[14:27] <blindcoder> so, I see that the tool is usable :)
[14:28] <daja77> is that blindy?
[14:30] <daja77> hm a covered face but bare feet!
[14:31] <madtux> blindcoder, yeah.. beware.. he is dangerous.
[14:32] <blindcoder> where am I?
[14:32] <blindcoder> I don't think I'm anywhere on those pics
[14:35] <madtux> oh its true... there is no one fighting with owl's pink sword..
[14:35] <daja77> blindcoder: your script should use the exif data to automatically rotate the pics
[14:35] <madtux> blindy is definitely not on those pics.
[14:35] <blindcoder> daja77: my cam doesn't write that data
[14:35] <daja77> damn
[14:35] Action: clifford running another "rocket upgrade"
[14:35] <clifford> .. that stuff 
[14:35] <clifford> really seams to work.
[14:35] <madtux> rocket upgrade huh
[14:36] <blindcoder> daja77: I usually rotate them manually, but I sometimes miss one or two
[14:36] <daja77> clifford: have you a running crystal and loading updates from the net
[14:36] <madtux> blindcoder, shame on you... this whole manual rotation stuff is really not ur style.
[14:36] <blindcoder> daja77: any idea which exif tag that should be?
[14:37] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/test.txt
[14:37] <daja77> i used scripts for it ... perhaps you find it in the iimage code
[14:37] <blindcoder> that's all the exif data I get
[14:38] <clifford> daja77: yes.
[14:38] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/test2.txt
[14:38] <blindcoder> and that's from one I missed rotating
[14:38] <daja77> clifford: by emerge or install?
[14:38] <clifford> neither nor.
[14:38] <netrunner> clifford: stripped ... sounds like smaller file size. can we use it for ROCK als?
[14:38] <clifford> "rocket update", "rocket upgrade"
[14:39] <netrunner> clifford: I mean it always takes ages to fetch 4MB packages.db over small lines...
[14:39] <netrunner> clifford: and it is necessary each time I want to check for updates.
[14:39] <clifford> netrunner: the stripped package database has no file lists. the file lists are about 90% of the not stripped packages.db
[14:40] <netrunner> clifford: so we should create such a thing after the build, when the normal packages.db is created.
[14:40] <clifford> htdocs/crystal1114/pkgs# du -sh packages*.db
[14:40] <clifford> 7.0M    packages.db
[14:40] <clifford> 845K    packages_stripped.db
[14:40] <blindcoder> *cough* bzip2 *cough*
[14:40] <clifford> netrunner: yes. that would be possible.
[14:41] <netrunner> clifford: as rocket does not use the flists anyway.
[14:41] <clifford> netrunner: well.. "rocket fsearch" does use it
[14:41] <netrunner> clifford: ... which does not appear in my rocket help :)
[14:42] <clifford> netrunner: It does here.
[14:42] <clifford> are you using a release or svn head?
[14:42] <netrunner> mine 0.21 here.
[14:42] <daja77> is there an easy way to change the config via rocket?
[14:42] <netrunner> am a bit outdated :)
[14:43] <netrunner> daja77: how do you mean changing config? you mean where he gets the packages from?
[14:44] <daja77> no I mean scripts/Config related stuff
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[14:48] <netrunner> daja77: rocket is just for installing packages from some archive reachable over network or locally
[14:48] <netrunner> (and querying infos related to that packages)
[14:49] <madtux> hallo netty
[14:49] <daja77> yes but some packages have config options set by scripts/Config which would be nice to toggle before emerging
[14:50] <blindcoder> you know them by heart?
[14:50] <daja77> huh?
[14:51] <blindcoder> ROCKCFG_PKG_FOO_BAR?
[14:52] <netrunner> hi maddy
[14:53] <daja77> blindcoder: what do you mean by heart
[14:53] <blindcoder> daja77: "auswendig"
[14:53] <netrunner> daja77: "to know by heart" ... "to know very good"
[14:54] <daja77> why should I?
[14:55] <clifford> daja77: rocket is using the config name "rocket" in /usr/src/rock-src
[14:56] <clifford> so a simple "cd /usr/src/rock-src; ./scripts/Config -cfg rocket" does the job
[14:56] <clifford> (the config from /etc/ROCK-CONFIG is only copied over if there is no "rocket" config there)
[14:57] <daja77> that's what I did .. but one could argue if this is simple, regarding non developing users
[14:58] <daja77> clifford: the problem I had that i couldn't emerge some packages without adjusting the shipped crystal config
[14:58] <blindcoder> is sysfiles.conf, do: echo 'alias configure_system="cd /usr/src/rock-src; ./scripts/Config -cfg rocket; cd -"' >>/root/.profile
[14:58] <blindcoder> or wherever
[14:59] <clifford> netrunner: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005121214582528422
[15:00] <clifford> blindcoder: What's about adding a "rocket configsrc" ?
[15:00] <blindcoder> or that :)
[15:02] <daja77> clifford: another thing, gcc4 produced over 200 errors fr now, most of the might be related to outdated packages, do you want to update gcc34 in order to finish some crystal xmas builds for uploads?
[15:04] <clifford> blindcoder, daja77: "rocket configsrc" is implemented now (rev93)
[15:04] <daja77> great :)
[15:05] <clifford> daja77: we wont drop gcc34 support when updating to gcc4*. So we should update gcc34 anyways..
[15:05] <daja77> you want to? or should I try?
[15:07] <clifford> I'm now trying if the update is straight-forward ..
[15:07] <clifford> .. let me decide afterwards. ;-)
[15:07] <daja77> hehe
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[15:10] <demian> hi
[15:11] <daja77> now it is over
[15:11] <daja77> 1573 builds total, 1304 completed fine, 269 with errors.
[15:12] <clifford> how many of them are inherited errors ?
[15:14] <daja77> quite a lot i guess since libgnome did not built e.g.
[15:14] <clifford> ic
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[15:15] <daja77> ah ok failing patches due gnome update
[15:16] <madtux> untested updates?
[15:17] <daja77> madtux: no I updated all the gnome packages so some patches in the repositories might not apply anymore
[15:19] <madtux> yeah thats what i am saying.... the update was made without making a full build to make sure that nothing would break
[15:20] <daja77> erhm I am testing the update and haven't submitted that patch yet ...
[15:20] <madtux> oh... okis :)
[15:20] <madtux> good :)
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[15:52] <netrunner> clifford: thanks :)
[15:57] <owl> SIGH.
[15:57] <owl> hi
[15:57] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[15:58] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[16:10] <madtux> hi owlita
[16:13] <netrunner> can I use gdb to debug errors in a .so?
[16:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: sure
[16:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: just gdb the program using the .so
[16:25] <netrunner> blindcoder: if I set a breakpoint and restart, it always "jumps" over the calls to the library
[16:25] <netrunner> blindcoder: I somehow need to set a breakpoint in the library ...
[16:27] <blindcoder> netrunner: you need the sources of the library
[16:28] <netrunner> ah, found a tutorial.
[16:29] <clifford> ho iwl
[16:29] <clifford> hi owl
[16:29] <clifford> *oops*
[16:29] <blindcoder> ts
[16:35] <blindcoder> http://www.kendo-sport.de/darstellung/detailwarenlist.php?menu=schwerte&untermenu=schinai&mypage=0&warenid=198&language=en
[16:36] <blindcoder> ah
[16:36] <blindcoder> isn't it beautiful
[16:40] <demian> by guys, have fun
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[17:16] <netrunner> *rofl* guess the russian word for firewall!
[17:19] <blindcoder> ehm...
[17:19] <blindcoder> water-hose?
[17:24] <netrunner> brandmauer :)
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[18:15] <clifford> anyone tried already updating apache to 2.2.0 ?
[18:17] <netrunner> shall I?
[18:17] <clifford> would be cool.
[18:18] <clifford> we have a lot dependencies to apache (from subversion to mod_mono)
[18:18] <netrunner> downloading.
[18:18] <clifford> .. would be interesting to know how much an update effects those..
[18:18] <netrunner> ok. if you tell me to resolve the glibc problem then I can restart a full build :)
[18:18] <clifford> what glibc problem?
[18:19] <netrunner> 1-glibc23 fails to build. message is that it needs unwind support in compiler. but smp traced it to a broken link to /usr/lib/crt1.o ...
[18:20] <netrunner> (nptl and update patch applied)
[18:20] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005121213072930133
[18:36] <netrunner> what kind of build do you prefer? crystal or full?
[18:49] <clifford> netrunner: crystal with add-on packages
[18:50] <netrunner> clifford: I mean to test apache now :)
[18:50] <clifford> yes. I to.
[18:50] <netrunner> damn. just an hour ago we connected the girl from downstairs to our internal network ... now she is fully using our uplink
[18:53] <netrunner> hm. she is using meaningless tcp-ports. .... where is my sniffer :)
[19:02] Action: netrunner reading about QoS :)
[19:20] <daja77> clifford: do you mind if we could write some documentation about how to write spl modules in C?
[19:23] <daja77> damn gnome
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[20:46] <th> can i cast something to "const" without specifying the type?
[20:48] <clifford> th: afaik this is not possible.
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> seems to work, though ^^
[20:49] <clifford> (I had already the same problem myself)
[20:49] <th> hmm
[20:49] <th> i just cant cast it... damn
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> int main ()
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> {
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux>     int i = 1;
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux>     const int j = (const) i;
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux>     return 0;
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> }
[20:49] <clifford> afaik a simple "const" defaults to "const int"
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> ah
[20:49] <clifford> (such as "static" is the same thing as "static int")
[20:50] <th> it must hold -Wimplicit -pedantic
[20:50] <th> % gcc -Wimplicit -pedantic foo.c 
[20:50] <th> (your example):
[20:50] <th> foo.c: In function `main':
[20:50] <th> foo.c:4: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `type name'
[20:50] <th> but this is not an int here.
[20:51] <stf^rocklinux> clifford: ack
[20:51] <stf^rocklinux> ok, so it won't work from what I see
[20:51] <th> i get "cast specifies array type" if i try to do the real cast
[20:52] <clifford> float foo = 2.5;
[20:52] <clifford> const float bar = (const typeof(foo))foo;
[20:52] <clifford> .. does that help you?
[20:52] <th> hey - sounds nice
[20:52] <th> lemme try this
[20:53] <th> cast specifies array type
[20:53] <th> still
[20:53] <stf^rocklinux> what type is foo of?
[20:54] <stf^rocklinux> th: in your case?
[20:55] <th> pfMatrix
[20:55] <th> sgi performer stuff
[20:55] <th> ./prmath.h:typedef float   pfMatrix[4][4];
[20:56] <th> (const float[4][4])    this cast fails as well
[20:57] <th> const float**  this fails (passing arg 2 of `pfPostRotMat' from incompatible pointer type)
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[20:59] <th> that's pretty gay
[21:00] <stf^rocklinux> otoh, is an explicit cast necessary at all?
[21:00] <th> warning: passing arg 2 of `pfPostRotMat' from incompatible pointer type
[21:00] <stf^rocklinux> eg. int* is implicitly cast to const int*
[21:00] <th> yes
[21:00] <th> because the local variable is NOT const
[21:00] <th> and const is expected
[21:01] <SMP> maybe cast over const void ?
[21:01] <SMP> or double-cast?
[21:04] <th> const void?
[21:04] <th> ahh
[21:04] <th> hmm
[21:04] <th> the final cast must be an array... so that's the issue i fear
[21:04] <th> it seems as it's not possible to cast to an array at all
[21:05] <clifford> th: yep. this is impossible.
[21:05] <stf^rocklinux> is (const float[4][4]) the same is (const float[][])
[21:05] <SMP> I guess that's because an array is not a proper type in C
[21:05] <clifford> you can only cast to a pointer
[21:05] <SMP> as opposed to any sane language ...
[21:05] <th> stf^rocklinux: at least it has the same effect here
[21:06] <th> SMP: do sane langs have casts?
[21:06] <th> so i could cast to (const float **)
[21:06] <th> but then the prototype mismatches
[21:06] <th> so one could call it a flaw in the prototype
[21:07] <SMP> you might have to resort to deep-copying
[21:07] <th> uhh
[21:07] <th> that would have impact on performance
[21:08] <th> conflicting types for `pfPostRotMat'
[21:08] <th> /usr/include/Performer/prmath.h:317: previous declaration of `pfPostRotMat'
[21:08] <th> fun
[21:08] <th> can i UNdeclare a prototype?
[21:11] <SMP> how about memcpy'ing the array over the const array?
[21:11] <th> i think i really cant add instructions here
[21:11] <th> high performance stuff
[21:11] <th> i had to reduce pedantics...
[21:12] <th> before inserting any instructions
[21:14] <SMP> well, you could define your own prototype, #define the prototype before including the header, then #undef it again
[21:15] <SMP> I mean ...
[21:15] <th> hmm
[21:16] <th> yea that works - of course
[21:17] <SMP> juts for the record, I meant #define the function's name to some other name before ...
[21:17] <th> yea - that's what i did.
[21:18] <th> #define pfPostRotMat BOGUS__pfPostRotMat
[21:18] <th> ...
[21:18] <th> #undef pfPostRotMat
[21:18] <th> it's ugly and it works.
[21:18] <SMP> does it work?
[21:18] <th> as most ugly things do.
[21:18] <SMP> cool.
[21:18] <th> i redefined it to float**
[21:22] <th> ok thanks for all your help. at least i've an ugly version now which works fully pedantic.
[21:23] <clifford> hmmm... "rocket upgrade" just updated some kde core packages on my laptop.
[21:23] <clifford> .. and it is still working fine.
[21:23] <daja77> :)
[21:23] <th> clifford: lemme guess: you dont have kde running at all?
[21:24] <stf^rocklinux> ^^
[21:24] <SMP> ehehe
[21:24] <th> SCNR
[21:24] <daja77> does anyone have a link to the secret gnome build order page?
[21:26] <clifford> th: no. I'm running kde. thats the amazing part..  ;-)
[21:26] <SMP> daja77: I just took all the packages I needed and sorted them by their priority in config/.../packages. that worked fine
[21:28] <daja77> SMP: i have build errors in libgnome, libbonobo, libbonoboui and others
[21:28] <th> clifford: ok. so this really rocks.
[21:28] <SMP> daja77: I've been there, too. what kinds of errors? can you post the logs?
[21:30] <clifford> But next week I will try updating from linuxthreads glibc to NPTL glibc with different glibc version..
[21:30] <daja77> have lost some due a rerun, just found that libgail-gnome needs a libpanelapplet, which we don't have .. and which was not listed in the gnome source pages 
[21:31] <stf^rocklinux> clifford: there's a problem with your glibc-2.3.6 patch in stage 1. crt1.o is missing for NPTL to be built.
[21:31] <daja77> ah ok guess i found the jackpot, gconf's included bdb source does not build with gcc4
[21:32] <clifford> stf^rocklinux: I have just finished a minimal build with that patch. it works fine here
[21:32] <stf^rocklinux> I reverted the glibc.conf part of the patch in stage 1 and reapplied it when 1-glibc23 was built. Stage 5 glibc23 built fine then.
[21:32] <SMP> stf^rocklinux: there's an update in submaster
[21:32] <clifford> do you have some additional information so I have any chance to reproduce the problem?
[21:32] <SMP> that should fix it
[21:32] <daja77> SMP: guess you used gcc34?
[21:33] <SMP> daja77: for Gnome? yes
[21:33] <daja77> ok
[21:33] <daja77> let's see if gconf can use the system bdb
[21:34] Action: clifford tesing bash-3.1 update right now. And bison 2.1 is next..
[21:35] <stf^rocklinux> SMP: which update in submaster?
[21:35] <SMP> clifford: your work on NPTL is quite impressive (I've hacked my way around builing it for years ...), but I really think we should to the route of a non-TLS+LinuxThreads libc in /lib, plus builds for vsyscall in /lib/i686 and vsyscall + TLS + NPTL in /lib/tls
[21:35] <SMP> s, to , go ,
[21:36] <SMP> stf^rocklinux: 2005121213072930133
[21:37] <stf^rocklinux> nice :)
[21:38] <clifford> SMP: do you know already how to do that? (i.e. is there any "standard" way of building the libs and ld-linux.so for this setup?)
[21:40] <SMP> clifford: you do a plain build for the main libc in /lib plus all the surrounding stuff, then do two seperate build (I know the --parameters), though don't make install but just cp the libs to /lib/{tls,i686} respectively
[21:41] <SMP> clifford: haven't really fully understood how ld-linux.so does the conditional loading, though
[21:41] <daja77> warnings that have always been in taht code are treated as errors by gcc4
[21:41] <clifford> .. so we should have a look at this first.
[21:43] <SMP> clifford: one rather old ld-linux.so I have here does search subdirs like mmx and i686, though I don't know why. I never really got newer ones to do that
[21:43] <clifford> hmm.. funny.
[21:43] <SMP> clifford: try an strace -e trace=file /bin/true e.g.
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[21:53] Action: daja77 wondering why a patch created by fixfilediff is not applying
[21:55] <clifford> shall we upgrade to coreutils 5.93 ?
[21:55] <clifford> I can't find any information if this is a stable release or development stuff.
[22:02] <SMP> clifford: I'm already running that -- with patches ported. I can just post a patch. other distros are shipping it, and I don't see a reason why it wouldn't a proper release
[22:03] <SMP> clifford: I've also, finally, made the acl-attr patch actually work
[22:07] <SMP> I really don't get it why the GNU idiots have been shipping basically USELESS acl support in coreutils FOR YEARS ...
[22:08] <SMP> clifford: you'll want to upgrade readline to 5.1 for the new bash to use it
[22:10] <clifford> Ah, ok. I do that now.
[22:15] <SMP> seems like I should read the ld-linux sources ...
[22:23] <daja77> hm we have still the two cyrus-sasl version which clash with each other
[22:27] <SMP> a-ha. experimentation shows, ld-linux can distinguish libs by "hwcap" and OS ABI (i.e. minimum kernel version)
[22:30] <netrunner> oh, network is responsive again.
[22:31] <daja77> you were pinging out all the time
[22:33] <daja77> and you still do ...
[22:37] <netrunner> whant, at anvame.net?
[22:37] <netrunner> or in russia?
[22:37] <daja77> netrunner: in msn
[22:38] <netrunner> ah. yes. I think it is the network here. we are only on a 10MBit hub currently.
[22:38] <netrunner> stupid sysadmin promises for 2 weeks already to upgrade us to 100MBit switch
[22:38] <netrunner> but at least I can use dsniff and friends :)
[22:51] <SMP> netrunner: he probably does that, too, and that's why it takes so long to get connected to a switch ;->
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[22:52] <netrunner> SMP: most interesting is that the ftp servers in the dorms here are free to the internet, and outgoing traffic is free.
[22:55] <daja77> ah stf was faster
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[23:16] <blindcoder> re
[23:18] <daja77> wb
[23:19] <madtux> :)
[23:30] <blindcoder> and bedtime
[23:30] <blindcoder> bye
[23:45] Action: netrunner now gets different error in 1-glibc23 :(
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