[01:17] <daja77_> w00t
[01:17] <daja77_> =[9]=> Finished building package boost.
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[08:32] <blindcoder> moin
[09:10] <netrunner> "moechten sie noch auf einen kaffee zu mir kommen?" http://www.stern.de/wissenschaft/mensch/:Verhaltensforschung-Koffein-Rattenweibchen/552864.html
[09:29] <esden> moin
[10:50] <blindcoder> moin moin
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[11:11] <esden> I wil look like this when I am finished with that damn project: http://www.esden.net/photoblog/52
[11:14] <blindcoder> hehe
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[11:14] <blindcoder> esden: project is due today?
[11:14] <esden> blindcoder: ack
[11:14] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:14] <esden> that is not funny :P
[11:15] <blindcoder> not for you :)
[11:19] Action: esden making a coffee
[11:19] <esden> woot I love my stereo
[11:19] <esden> the whole room trembling
[11:21] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:21] <blindcoder> time for lunch
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[12:41] <clifford> blindcoder: ping!
[13:06] <daja77> clifford!
[13:14] <blindcoder> clifford: pong
[13:14] <clifford> did you get my mail regarding the wiki?
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[13:15] <blindcoder> clifford: yes, but I haven't had much time for it yet. Got my user account an hour ago, though :)
[13:15] <clifford> ok.
[13:16] <blindcoder> clifford: is there a syntax page?
[13:16] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc
[13:17] <clifford> blindcoder: sure. Help:Editinig
[13:17] <blindcoder> besides, the Main_Page looks weird...
[13:17] <clifford> it is linked in the edit form
[13:17] <clifford> and just contains a link to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents#For_editors
[13:18] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/mainpage.PNG
[13:18] <blindcoder> ah, didn't see it down there
[13:23] <clifford> aha!
[13:23] <clifford> you are running another screen resolution..
[13:24] <blindcoder> true
[13:24] <blindcoder> there are still a select few people running 1024x768
[13:25] <blindcoder> I even heard rumors of one or two people that have a new year's resolution of 800x600
[13:27] <blindcoder> ah, better :)
[13:44] <daja77> clifford: are you working on the wiki transition now?
[13:47] <clifford> daja77: I've done my part already last week. just waiting for blindcoder..
[13:47] <daja77> ah ok haven't seen that
[13:48] <daja77> i use a mediawiki for my page as well
[13:48] <blindcoder> but doing that on an ISDN line is no fun *nudge* *wink*
[13:53] <daja77> you are still in igolstadt?
[13:54] <blindcoder> no, but only came back sunday evening
[13:55] <blindcoder> YAY! Building now exists :)
[13:56] <blindcoder> and still had to take care of a few things
[13:56] <daja77> where?
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[15:31] <[raphael]> where do I get a pxelinux.0 boot image from?
[15:36] <SMP> syslinux
[15:44] <daja77> btw the logo is too big somehow on the wiki
[15:59] <[raphael]> SMP: thank you!
[16:01] <[raphael]> the documentation (http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/InstallationUsingPXE) says it's in the tftp distribution, so that got me sidetracked
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[16:48] <[raphael]> aha... there you go, a well pxe booted rock linux kernel on my laptop
[16:49] <[raphael]> but I really need to tell sony they shouldn't put two options for the same thing into the bios configuration.... really
[16:50] <[raphael]> (or make sure the cdrom and floppy drives don't break down within a year)
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[17:05] <blindcoder> two options for the same?
[17:18] <esden> another 40 minuts until the new (probably intel) macs get announced ;)
[17:18] <esden> woot!
[17:21] <daja77> *shrug*
[17:22] <blindcoder> when will that be?
[17:26] <[raphael]> blindcoder: the option to network boot the machine
[17:27] <[raphael]> blindcoder: it's in the boot options (order and enabled/disabled), and somewhere else... again, just whether it's enabled/disabled
[17:27] <[raphael]> so you have to enable it in both places, this is just weird and nonsense, same goes for the CD-ROM drive
[17:28] <[raphael]> (which is connected through i-link)
[17:28] <[raphael]> on the docking station
[17:36] <blindcoder> heh
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[19:31] <esden> wooot !!!! my new laptop got released!
[19:31] <daja77> yours?
[19:31] <esden> yes
[19:33] <blindcoder> esden definately has too much money
[19:33] <esden> blindcoder: I want it ... whatever it costs!
[19:33] <esden> I will sell some body parts for it
[19:33] <[raphael]> blindcoder: so, the default bootdisk kernel can boot my AMD64 and my laptop, that's half of my systems
[19:34] <[raphael]> ... is KDE 3.5 already in svn ?
[19:34] <blindcoder> [raphael]: so what's the problem with the rest/
[19:34] <blindcoder> was there an apple press conference today or something?
[19:34] <[raphael]> blindcoder: kernel panic on boot
[19:35] <[raphael]> ?? why an apple conference
[19:35] <blindcoder> [raphael]: a bit more than that?
[19:35] <esden> blindcoder: yes ... it is currently running
[19:35] <[raphael]> blindcoder: it didn't have any information that I found useful
[19:35] <[raphael]> sth like Oops!
[19:35] <blindcoder> [raphael]: try booting with the kernel parameter "debug"
[19:36] <daja77> rockbot: yes
[19:36] <blindcoder> [raphael]: well, there are a ton of possible panic, oops or whatever
[19:36] <[raphael]> yes, I know, so I didn't really bother (but see mails on the list)
[19:36] <[raphael]> I have come to the conclusion to set up my laptop with ROCK, so at least one of my production systems runs a linux (a rock linux that is)
[19:37] <blindcoder> ehm, wait, just a moment to get this straight
[19:37] <blindcoder> because there is a ton of possible reasons you didn't bother investigating and now expect us to telepathically contact your computer in the vain hope it will tell us something we need?
[19:38] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ? no, I don't expect you to do something about it or guess information I didn't provide
[19:39] <blindcoder> okay, sorry. guess I got it wrong then.
[19:39] <blindcoder> sorry of exploding :(
[19:39] <blindcoder> s/of/for/
[19:39] <blindcoder> my time as first level support hotline jerk still haunts my dreams to this day
[19:40] <[raphael]> don't worry, but thanks for apologizing, I usually don't enjoy that
[19:40] <[raphael]> but I know that the information I actually did provide is not so useful
[19:40] <[raphael]> except if you want to spend a couple of days playing around with the diffs for the kernel configs
[19:40] <blindcoder> okay, then we come from the same direction :)
[19:40] <[raphael]> good :)
[19:41] <[raphael]> well, I'm sitting here now for an hour and am waiting to start the install
[19:41] <[raphael]> trying to figure out if I have left anything on the laptop that needs backup
[19:41] <[raphael]> and it's really hard to part with a functional system
[19:41] <blindcoder> heh, I know that feeling
[19:42] <blindcoder> and minutes later I learned that tar cfvj foo.tar.bz2 * does _not_ backup your .ssh directory
[19:42] <[raphael]> but I found out what I wanted: I started with FreeBSD 5.2 on it and now upgraded it through all releases up to 6.0 - which is a new-feature-release, and FreeBSD did it all without any issue, in fact the 5.4 -> 6.0 update went that smooth that I was really puzzled
[19:43] <blindcoder> sweet
[19:43] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ohh the ssh directory!! thanks
[19:43] <blindcoder> I know that
[19:43] <blindcoder> "Hey, this works. That can't be! Something must be broken!"
[19:43] <[raphael]> but well, I think a BSD on my desktop PC and a ROCK on my laptop works out fine - ROCK "performs" better on the laptop
[19:44] <[raphael]> and I need a flexible system there
[19:44] <[raphael]> sth that I can really mess up
[19:44] <blindcoder> hehe, have fun :)
[19:45] <blindcoder> you can easily mess up a ROCK install. Or hardly at all, depending on your point of view :)
[19:45] <[raphael]> blindcoder: yes :) I was really amazed, and it even went quite fast, using binary package repository, etc. (doing source upgrade, including FreeBSD 5 binary support)
[19:45] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I think you can mess up ROCK quite a bit and it will still work, that's the kind of "development" system I need
[19:46] <[raphael]> that is moving around /opt/kde dirs and that kind of stuff
[19:46] <[raphael]> now... back to backing up ssh data :)
[19:46] <blindcoder> [raphael]: oh, and all other 'dot' directories you may want to keep
[19:48] <[raphael]> :)
[19:48] <[raphael]> I have spent the last 3 months cleaning up my laptop
[19:48] <[raphael]> removing stuff I don't need anymore, switching to IMAP for all my Kontact data and so on
[19:48] <[raphael]> subversion repositories for projects
[19:49] Action: blindcoder hugs his separate /home/ partition
[19:49] <[raphael]> so everything is stored server side, I'm just now collecting some system files, like kernel configs, ssh keys :) and the /etc/rc.conf
[19:50] <[raphael]> blindcoder: FreeBSD uses a different filesystem anyway, so I wouldn't be able to reuse it in Linux
[19:50] <blindcoder> I see
[19:50] <[raphael]> alright, 8 minutes left to set up the system
[19:50] <[raphael]> let's get it done
[19:53] <[raphael]> and since both floppy and cd are already really crippled I'm doing it all through the net, but hey, I hardly manage to make a smooth boot-from-cd-and-run-stone lately, all my systems seem to need special attention
[19:53] <blindcoder> heh, you are something special after all :)
[19:54] <[raphael]> heh :)
[19:57] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I'm actually installing it now using my NetBSD as dhcp and tftp server, and exporting the packages through NFS from that same server
[19:57] <blindcoder> Muahaha, sweet :)
[19:59] <blindcoder> that's what I call interoperability
[20:04] <[raphael]> yes indeed, and it seems to work just as smooth as I like it :) really, I half expected mount -t nfs to bark... but works just fine
[20:04] <[raphael]> btw... my laptop only having 30 GBs
[20:04] <[raphael]> and... I actually do prefer a separate home
[20:04] <blindcoder> now, mount -t smbfs is another story
[20:05] <[raphael]> oh... never tried that (I'm not having such exotic operating systems here... neither samba of course)
[20:05] <[raphael]> how much would you suggest for a / and /home ?
[20:05] <[raphael]> ah... heck, I just put all in /
[20:05] <[raphael]> maybe 1 GB for /tmp and that should do
[20:06] <blindcoder> /tmp is a tmpfs anyway
[20:06] <blindcoder> so no need for extra partition there
[20:06] <blindcoder> with 20 GB I'd say... hmm
[20:06] <blindcoder> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4
[20:06] <blindcoder>                        13G  9.1G  3.1G  76% /
[20:07] <blindcoder> just put all but /boot and swap into /
[20:07] <blindcoder> like this maybe:
[20:07] <blindcoder> 256 MB /boot
[20:07] <[raphael]> 30 GB
[20:07] <blindcoder> RAM*2 swap
[20:07] <blindcoder> rest /
[20:07] <[raphael]> I have 1 G swap now, 50M for /boot, rest for /
[20:07] <blindcoder> should be fine, too
[20:07] <blindcoder> unless you start playing around with lots of kernels
[20:08] <[raphael]> yeah :)
[20:08] <[raphael]> I hope I can keep it below 5
[20:08] <blindcoder> I have *count* one :)
[20:08] <[raphael]> and... is ext3 much slower?
[20:09] <[raphael]> what's a fast and safe file system?  (too much used to BSD right now)
[20:09] <[raphael]> reiserfs is fast I heard, but not really safe (data loss)
[20:10] <[raphael]> ah, heck, I just use ext2 for /boot and ext3 for /
[20:10] <[raphael]> that should do
[20:10] <[raphael]> wuhu, FreeBSD flushed
[20:11] <blindcoder> I use reiserfs a lot, but the ext? filesystems should be fine
[20:15] <[raphael]> is reiserfs much faster? My laptop HD is damn slow
[20:15] <[raphael]> I didn't yet mine -i, so still time to change
[20:17] <[raphael]> blindcoder: is the reiserfs version in ROCK already version 4 ?
[20:19] <[raphael]> installing
[20:19] <blindcoder> [raphael]: no, 3
[20:19] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ok, I'm using ext3 now, should be ok, I think reading is equally fast with both
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[20:55] <netrunner> [raphael]: reiserfs is fast on a lot of small files, e.g. squid
[20:56] <netrunner> [raphael]: furthermore, I can recommend using lvm, then you can later vary partition sizes easily. but that seems too late now :)
[20:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: there is not yet a comfortable way to use root on lvm in ROCK
[20:57] <blindcoder> yet
[20:58] <th> that depends on the definition of "comfortable"
[20:58] <th> i've no machine without lvm-root
[20:58] <blindcoder> th: no need to write code
[20:58] <blindcoder> th: like the encryption mechanism
[20:59] <blindcoder> th: you just say you want it and it's there
[21:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: there is no need to write code.
[21:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: there is a nice howto in rockdoc :)
[21:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's a lot of manual stuff to do
[21:02] <blindcoder> I would call that "hacked" but not comfortable
[21:02] <netrunner> blindcoder: well, real men like to get their hands on their things. ;)
[21:03] <netrunner> I mean, installation is only the start, you would soon start editing config files ...
[21:04] <blindcoder> also, I fail to see how one would do an installation according to http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/RootOnLVM
[21:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: what point are you missing?
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[21:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: how do I create the LVM?
[21:11] <netrunner> hehe :)
[21:11] <blindcoder> netrunner: how do I create and mount the filesystems in the lvm?
[21:12] <blindcoder> where's a hands-on example with all the steps and commands necessary?
[21:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you don't know this you should better not do it :)
[21:12] <blindcoder> ...
[21:12] <netrunner> or you shoud use this qt partition manager thingie ...
[21:13] <blindcoder> do I really have to comment that?
[21:13] <blindcoder> I also didn't know Linux six years ago
[21:13] <blindcoder> would it have been better not to use it then?
[21:14] <blindcoder> from a documentation titled "Root on LVM" I can expect to tell me how to do it
[21:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: see, I can put a link there. but there are already countless howtos on lvm, one can easily find by typing those 3 chars into google
[21:14] <blindcoder> otherwise all documentation can be substituted by "if you don't know how to do this, better don't do that."
[21:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: no, it is not an lvm howto. it is an howto on how to use a lvm as root.
[21:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: so why not just scrap rockdoc altogether? After all, one can find all that in the mailinglist archives and IRC logs
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[21:18] <netrunner> blindcoder: I don't consider myself to the target group of rockdoc, more to the source group :) I indeed grep my .irssi/logs for infos :)
[21:19] <blindcoder> well, then I guess ROCK will stay an in-joke some more time then
[21:40] <netrunner> blindcoder: can't you make the rockdoc wiki edit box smaller? it is annoying to be used to scroll around 2 bars at once
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[21:48] Action: netrunner just found all lvm2 binaries in /lib/lvm2 ????
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[22:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: I increased the size upon the wish of someone else
[22:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: but nevermind, rockdoc will die soon anyway
[22:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: see the mail regarding the 22c3 bof
[22:08] <blindcoder> anyway, bedtime
[22:08] <blindcoder> bye
[22:08] <daja77> cu blindcoder 
[22:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: n8, as betthupferl I wrote examples for you :)
[22:09] <daja77> oh nice I screwed my system  compiler
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