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[01:17] <daja77_> w00t [01:17] <daja77_> =[9]=> Finished building package boost. [01:46] daja77 (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:56] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-2e1ccfb28d87bc14) joined #rocklinux. [01:56] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-e97c52ae46a021ee) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:58] daja77_ (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-2e1ccfb28d87bc14) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:31] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-a956196b37a2afed) joined #rocklinux. [08:20] BoS (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-033-231.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:20] BoS (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-039-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:32] <blindcoder> moin [09:10] <netrunner> "moechten sie noch auf einen kaffee zu mir kommen?" https://www.stern.de/wissenschaft/mensch/:Verhaltensforschung-Koffein-Rattenweibchen/552864.html [09:29] <esden> moin [10:50] <blindcoder> moin moin [11:08] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] daja77 (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "reboot" [11:11] <esden> I wil look like this when I am finished with that damn project: https://www.esden.net/photoblog/52 [11:14] <blindcoder> hehe [11:14] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:14] <blindcoder> esden: project is due today? [11:14] <esden> blindcoder: ack [11:14] <blindcoder> hehe [11:14] <esden> that is not funny :P [11:15] <blindcoder> not for you :) [11:19] Action: esden making a coffee [11:19] <esden> woot I love my stereo [11:19] <esden> the whole room trembling [11:21] <blindcoder> hehe [11:21] <blindcoder> time for lunch [12:09] daja (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:09] daja (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:13] daja (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:17] Nick change: daja -> daja77 [12:36] clifford (n=clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [12:41] <clifford> blindcoder: ping! [13:06] <daja77> clifford! [13:14] <blindcoder> clifford: pong [13:14] <clifford> did you get my mail regarding the wiki? [13:14] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.60) joined #rocklinux. [13:14] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.122) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:15] <blindcoder> clifford: yes, but I haven't had much time for it yet. Got my user account an hour ago, though :) [13:15] <clifford> ok. [13:16] <blindcoder> clifford: is there a syntax page? [13:16] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [13:17] <clifford> blindcoder: sure. Help:Editinig [13:17] <blindcoder> besides, the Main_Page looks weird... [13:17] <clifford> it is linked in the edit form [13:17] <clifford> and just contains a link to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents#For_editors [13:18] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/mainpage.PNG [13:18] <blindcoder> ah, didn't see it down there [13:23] <clifford> aha! [13:23] <clifford> you are running another screen resolution.. [13:24] <blindcoder> true [13:24] <blindcoder> there are still a select few people running 1024x768 [13:25] <blindcoder> I even heard rumors of one or two people that have a new year's resolution of 800x600 [13:27] <blindcoder> ah, better :) [13:44] <daja77> clifford: are you working on the wiki transition now? [13:47] <clifford> daja77: I've done my part already last week. just waiting for blindcoder.. [13:47] <daja77> ah ok haven't seen that [13:48] <daja77> i use a mediawiki for my page as well [13:48] <blindcoder> but doing that on an ISDN line is no fun *nudge* *wink* [13:53] <daja77> you are still in igolstadt? [13:54] <blindcoder> no, but only came back sunday evening [13:55] <blindcoder> YAY! Building now exists :) [13:56] <blindcoder> and still had to take care of a few things [13:56] <daja77> where? [14:43] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [15:31] <[raphael]> where do I get a pxelinux.0 boot image from? [15:36] <SMP> syslinux [15:44] <daja77> btw the logo is too big somehow on the wiki [15:59] <[raphael]> SMP: thank you! [16:01] <[raphael]> the documentation (https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/InstallationUsingPXE) says it's in the tftp distribution, so that got me sidetracked [16:08] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-a956196b37a2afed) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:09] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-be054924917fa273) joined #rocklinux. [16:48] <[raphael]> aha... there you go, a well pxe booted rock linux kernel on my laptop [16:49] <[raphael]> but I really need to tell sony they shouldn't put two options for the same thing into the bios configuration.... really [16:50] <[raphael]> (or make sure the cdrom and floppy drives don't break down within a year) [17:01] Freak__ (n=freak@dslb-082-083-217-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:05] <blindcoder> two options for the same? [17:18] <esden> another 40 minuts until the new (probably intel) macs get announced ;) [17:18] <esden> woot! [17:21] <daja77> *shrug* [17:22] <blindcoder> when will that be? [17:26] <[raphael]> blindcoder: the option to network boot the machine [17:27] <[raphael]> blindcoder: it's in the boot options (order and enabled/disabled), and somewhere else... again, just whether it's enabled/disabled [17:27] <[raphael]> so you have to enable it in both places, this is just weird and nonsense, same goes for the CD-ROM drive [17:28] <[raphael]> (which is connected through i-link) [17:28] <[raphael]> on the docking station [17:36] <blindcoder> heh [18:08] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:31] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [19:27] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-179-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:31] <esden> wooot !!!! my new laptop got released! [19:31] <daja77> yours? [19:31] <esden> yes [19:33] <blindcoder> esden definately has too much money [19:33] <esden> blindcoder: I want it ... whatever it costs! [19:33] <esden> I will sell some body parts for it [19:33] <[raphael]> blindcoder: so, the default bootdisk kernel can boot my AMD64 and my laptop, that's half of my systems [19:34] <[raphael]> ... is KDE 3.5 already in svn ? [19:34] <blindcoder> [raphael]: so what's the problem with the rest/ [19:34] <blindcoder> was there an apple press conference today or something? [19:34] <[raphael]> blindcoder: kernel panic on boot [19:35] <[raphael]> ?? why an apple conference [19:35] <blindcoder> [raphael]: a bit more than that? [19:35] <esden> blindcoder: yes ... it is currently running [19:35] <[raphael]> blindcoder: it didn't have any information that I found useful [19:35] <[raphael]> sth like Oops! [19:35] <blindcoder> [raphael]: try booting with the kernel parameter "debug" [19:36] <daja77> rockbot: yes [19:36] <blindcoder> [raphael]: well, there are a ton of possible panic, oops or whatever [19:36] <[raphael]> yes, I know, so I didn't really bother (but see mails on the list) [19:36] <[raphael]> I have come to the conclusion to set up my laptop with ROCK, so at least one of my production systems runs a linux (a rock linux that is) [19:37] <blindcoder> ehm, wait, just a moment to get this straight [19:37] <blindcoder> because there is a ton of possible reasons you didn't bother investigating and now expect us to telepathically contact your computer in the vain hope it will tell us something we need? [19:38] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ? no, I don't expect you to do something about it or guess information I didn't provide [19:39] <blindcoder> okay, sorry. guess I got it wrong then. [19:39] <blindcoder> sorry of exploding :( [19:39] <blindcoder> s/of/for/ [19:39] <blindcoder> my time as first level support hotline jerk still haunts my dreams to this day [19:40] <[raphael]> don't worry, but thanks for apologizing, I usually don't enjoy that [19:40] <[raphael]> but I know that the information I actually did provide is not so useful [19:40] <[raphael]> except if you want to spend a couple of days playing around with the diffs for the kernel configs [19:40] <blindcoder> okay, then we come from the same direction :) [19:40] <[raphael]> good :) [19:41] <[raphael]> well, I'm sitting here now for an hour and am waiting to start the install [19:41] <[raphael]> trying to figure out if I have left anything on the laptop that needs backup [19:41] <[raphael]> and it's really hard to part with a functional system [19:41] <blindcoder> heh, I know that feeling [19:42] <blindcoder> and minutes later I learned that tar cfvj foo.tar.bz2 * does _not_ backup your .ssh directory [19:42] <[raphael]> but I found out what I wanted: I started with FreeBSD 5.2 on it and now upgraded it through all releases up to 6.0 - which is a new-feature-release, and FreeBSD did it all without any issue, in fact the 5.4 -> 6.0 update went that smooth that I was really puzzled [19:43] <blindcoder> sweet [19:43] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ohh the ssh directory!! thanks [19:43] <blindcoder> I know that [19:43] <blindcoder> "Hey, this works. That can't be! Something must be broken!" [19:43] <[raphael]> but well, I think a BSD on my desktop PC and a ROCK on my laptop works out fine - ROCK "performs" better on the laptop [19:44] <[raphael]> and I need a flexible system there [19:44] <[raphael]> sth that I can really mess up [19:44] <blindcoder> hehe, have fun :) [19:45] <blindcoder> you can easily mess up a ROCK install. Or hardly at all, depending on your point of view :) [19:45] <[raphael]> blindcoder: yes :) I was really amazed, and it even went quite fast, using binary package repository, etc. (doing source upgrade, including FreeBSD 5 binary support) [19:45] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I think you can mess up ROCK quite a bit and it will still work, that's the kind of "development" system I need [19:46] <[raphael]> that is moving around /opt/kde dirs and that kind of stuff [19:46] <[raphael]> now... back to backing up ssh data :) [19:46] <blindcoder> [raphael]: oh, and all other 'dot' directories you may want to keep [19:48] <[raphael]> :) [19:48] <[raphael]> I have spent the last 3 months cleaning up my laptop [19:48] <[raphael]> removing stuff I don't need anymore, switching to IMAP for all my Kontact data and so on [19:48] <[raphael]> subversion repositories for projects [19:49] Action: blindcoder hugs his separate /home/ partition [19:49] <[raphael]> so everything is stored server side, I'm just now collecting some system files, like kernel configs, ssh keys :) and the /etc/rc.conf [19:50] <[raphael]> blindcoder: FreeBSD uses a different filesystem anyway, so I wouldn't be able to reuse it in Linux [19:50] <blindcoder> I see [19:50] <[raphael]> alright, 8 minutes left to set up the system [19:50] <[raphael]> let's get it done [19:53] <[raphael]> and since both floppy and cd are already really crippled I'm doing it all through the net, but hey, I hardly manage to make a smooth boot-from-cd-and-run-stone lately, all my systems seem to need special attention [19:53] <blindcoder> heh, you are something special after all :) [19:54] <[raphael]> heh :) [19:57] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I'm actually installing it now using my NetBSD as dhcp and tftp server, and exporting the packages through NFS from that same server [19:57] <blindcoder> Muahaha, sweet :) [19:59] <blindcoder> that's what I call interoperability [20:04] <[raphael]> yes indeed, and it seems to work just as smooth as I like it :) really, I half expected mount -t nfs to bark... but works just fine [20:04] <[raphael]> btw... my laptop only having 30 GBs [20:04] <[raphael]> and... I actually do prefer a separate home [20:04] <blindcoder> now, mount -t smbfs is another story [20:05] <[raphael]> oh... never tried that (I'm not having such exotic operating systems here... neither samba of course) [20:05] <[raphael]> how much would you suggest for a / and /home ? [20:05] <[raphael]> ah... heck, I just put all in / [20:05] <[raphael]> maybe 1 GB for /tmp and that should do [20:06] <blindcoder> /tmp is a tmpfs anyway [20:06] <blindcoder> so no need for extra partition there [20:06] <blindcoder> with 20 GB I'd say... hmm [20:06] <blindcoder> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 [20:06] <blindcoder> 13G 9.1G 3.1G 76% / [20:07] <blindcoder> just put all but /boot and swap into / [20:07] <blindcoder> like this maybe: [20:07] <blindcoder> 256 MB /boot [20:07] <[raphael]> 30 GB [20:07] <blindcoder> RAM*2 swap [20:07] <blindcoder> rest / [20:07] <[raphael]> I have 1 G swap now, 50M for /boot, rest for / [20:07] <blindcoder> should be fine, too [20:07] <blindcoder> unless you start playing around with lots of kernels [20:08] <[raphael]> yeah :) [20:08] <[raphael]> I hope I can keep it below 5 [20:08] <blindcoder> I have *count* one :) [20:08] <[raphael]> and... is ext3 much slower? [20:09] <[raphael]> what's a fast and safe file system? (too much used to BSD right now) [20:09] <[raphael]> reiserfs is fast I heard, but not really safe (data loss) [20:10] <[raphael]> ah, heck, I just use ext2 for /boot and ext3 for / [20:10] <[raphael]> that should do [20:10] <[raphael]> wuhu, FreeBSD flushed [20:11] <blindcoder> I use reiserfs a lot, but the ext? filesystems should be fine [20:15] <[raphael]> is reiserfs much faster? My laptop HD is damn slow [20:15] <[raphael]> I didn't yet mine -i, so still time to change [20:17] <[raphael]> blindcoder: is the reiserfs version in ROCK already version 4 ? [20:19] <[raphael]> installing [20:19] <blindcoder> [raphael]: no, 3 [20:19] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ok, I'm using ext3 now, should be ok, I think reading is equally fast with both [20:43] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [20:55] <netrunner> [raphael]: reiserfs is fast on a lot of small files, e.g. squid [20:56] <netrunner> [raphael]: furthermore, I can recommend using lvm, then you can later vary partition sizes easily. but that seems too late now :) [20:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: there is not yet a comfortable way to use root on lvm in ROCK [20:57] <blindcoder> yet [20:58] <th> that depends on the definition of "comfortable" [20:58] <th> i've no machine without lvm-root [20:58] <blindcoder> th: no need to write code [20:58] <blindcoder> th: like the encryption mechanism [20:59] <blindcoder> th: you just say you want it and it's there [21:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: there is no need to write code. [21:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: there is a nice howto in rockdoc :) [21:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's a lot of manual stuff to do [21:02] <blindcoder> I would call that "hacked" but not comfortable [21:02] <netrunner> blindcoder: well, real men like to get their hands on their things. ;) [21:03] <netrunner> I mean, installation is only the start, you would soon start editing config files ... [21:04] <blindcoder> also, I fail to see how one would do an installation according to https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/RootOnLVM [21:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: what point are you missing? [21:10] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-179-146.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: how do I create the LVM? [21:11] <netrunner> hehe :) [21:11] <blindcoder> netrunner: how do I create and mount the filesystems in the lvm? [21:12] <blindcoder> where's a hands-on example with all the steps and commands necessary? [21:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you don't know this you should better not do it :) [21:12] <blindcoder> ... [21:12] <netrunner> or you shoud use this qt partition manager thingie ... [21:13] <blindcoder> do I really have to comment that? [21:13] <blindcoder> I also didn't know Linux six years ago [21:13] <blindcoder> would it have been better not to use it then? [21:14] <blindcoder> from a documentation titled "Root on LVM" I can expect to tell me how to do it [21:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: see, I can put a link there. but there are already countless howtos on lvm, one can easily find by typing those 3 chars into google [21:14] <blindcoder> otherwise all documentation can be substituted by "if you don't know how to do this, better don't do that." [21:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: no, it is not an lvm howto. it is an howto on how to use a lvm as root. [21:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: so why not just scrap rockdoc altogether? After all, one can find all that in the mailinglist archives and IRC logs [21:15] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-190-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [21:18] <netrunner> blindcoder: I don't consider myself to the target group of rockdoc, more to the source group :) I indeed grep my .irssi/logs for infos :) [21:19] <blindcoder> well, then I guess ROCK will stay an in-joke some more time then [21:40] <netrunner> blindcoder: can't you make the rockdoc wiki edit box smaller? it is annoying to be used to scroll around 2 bars at once [21:41] Freak_ (n=freak@dslb-082-083-176-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [21:48] Action: netrunner just found all lvm2 binaries in /lib/lvm2 ???? [21:55] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-190-036.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:00] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-255-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:06] Freak_ (n=freak@dslb-082-083-176-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: I increased the size upon the wish of someone else [22:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: but nevermind, rockdoc will die soon anyway [22:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: see the mail regarding the 22c3 bof [22:08] <blindcoder> anyway, bedtime [22:08] <blindcoder> bye [22:08] <daja77> cu blindcoder [22:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: n8, as betthupferl I wrote examples for you :) [22:09] <daja77> oh nice I screwed my system compiler [23:38] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-108-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:53] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-119-208.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:53] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [00:00] --- Wed Jan 11 2006