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[07:31] <blindcoder> netrunner: thanks :)
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[09:11] <[raphael]> moin
[09:31] <[raphael]> so... what's the release schedule for crystal 1.0 ?
[09:35] <blindcoder> The next Crystal will be 3.0 IIRC
[09:36] <blindcoder> and the schedule is: a) find a maintainer for correction releases
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[10:00] <[raphael]> that sounds like a bad schedule (or rather incomplete) :(
[10:01] <[raphael]> well, heh, at least it's not sth like "it's still so bug ridden"  :)
[10:03] <blindcoder> oka, there _are_ a few more things
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[10:04] <blindcoder> most notably getting the security team up and running
[10:04] <blindcoder> then the website transition to a mediawiki
[10:04] <blindcoder> basically, some of the stuff I wrote in the 22C3 mail
[10:05] <blindcoder> the website transition just waits for me to get off my lazy ass :)
[10:05] Action: [raphael] commands blindcoder to get off his lazy ass
[10:06] <blindcoder> I'm already working on it since 9 AM
[10:07] <[raphael]> :) wonderful!
[10:08] <[raphael]> btw, the system is up and running, gave me a bit of a headache installing grub (or lilo) without devices (the bootdisk kernel does not support devfs), but then I just cp -a the devices from the 2nd stage and that worked fine
[10:08] <blindcoder> but mediawiki is so entirely different from subwiki >_<
[10:08] <[raphael]> (the /dev/ide ones)
[10:09] <blindcoder> there is no more devfs
[10:24] <[raphael]> yes, I know, that's the problem (I have), and I don't know anything about udev, not even how to mount it
[10:25] <blindcoder> udev is a userspace application
[10:26] <blindcoder> you just select it using stone
[10:26] <blindcoder> and then it will always be automatically started
[10:44] Action: netrunner updated to 2.6.15 ... or am I too late?
[10:45] <blindcoder> nope, don't think so
[10:47] <blindcoder> feels like my hands are going to fall off rsn
[10:51] Action: netrunner supressing a comment
[10:53] <blindcoder> from moving ROCKDoc into MediaWiki!
[10:53] <netrunner> aaah :)
[10:54] <netrunner> is clifford in holiday? submaster is stalled for a month now ...
[10:56] <blindcoder> he's been here yesterday but I heard rumors about him being in africa
[10:56] <netrunner> is mediawiki svn based?
[10:57] <blindcoder> no, mysql
[10:57] <blindcoder> so no more offline editing :(
[11:11] <blindcoder> 21 pages in 2 hours
[11:11] <blindcoder> guess that's okay for now
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[11:18] <daja77_> d'oh i did the same patch yesterday and even fixed the typo
[11:19] <netrunner> typo?
[11:21] <daja77_> initially wrote by clifford wold or sth
[11:23] <netrunner> well, I must admit that I removed the comment when rediffing it *duck*
[11:23] <netrunner> daja77_: feel free to submit yours, then I will recall mine now.
[11:56] <blindcoder> re
[12:11] <[raphael]> did I tell you that linux is broken? (how often?)
[12:12] <[raphael]> I really hope not to regret my rock installation on my laptop too soon
[12:12] <[raphael]> that is, sound is not working
[12:12] <[raphael]> and I have seen NO system where sound is working with a 2.6 kernel
[12:13] <blindcoder> my two systems work perfectly with an out-of-the-rock-box kernel
[12:13] <[raphael]> maybe I should just use 2.4
[12:13] <blindcoder> what soundcard do you have?
[12:14] <[raphael]> snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec
[12:14] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:14] <blindcoder> do /dev/sound/* exist?
[12:14] <[raphael]> and the other machine has a standard SB128
[12:14] <[raphael]> nope, no dsp anywhere
[12:14] <[raphael]> that is, no /dev/sound
[12:15] <blindcoder> does hwscan detect them?
[12:15] Action: [raphael] running hwscan
[12:16] <[raphael]> hwscan gives me the following (regarding sound):
[12:17] <[raphael]>  ### pci00fd (Device 80862485) ###
[12:17] <[raphael]> # Unkown device for driver snd-intel8x0
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-intel8x0   #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-pcm-oss    #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-seq-oss    #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-mixer-oss  #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> ### pci00fe (Device 80862486) ###
[12:17] <[raphael]> # Unkown device for driver snd-intel8x0m
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-intel8x0m  #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-pcm-oss    #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-seq-oss    #no-initrd
[12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-mixer-oss  #no-initrd
[12:17] <blindcoder> sounds fine to me
[12:17] <[raphael]> :)
[12:18] <[raphael]> but modprobing those doesn't change the situation
[12:18] <[raphael]> still no sound
[12:18] <blindcoder> ah
[12:18] <blindcoder> can you send me the output of lsmod in a pastebin on query?
[12:18] <blindcoder> s/on/or/
[12:18] <blindcoder> I think I know what the problem is
[12:20] <[raphael]> blindcoder: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RwFKG023.html
[12:21] <blindcoder> okay, maybe not
[12:21] <blindcoder> I had the problem of OSS modules being loaded before the ALSO modules
[12:21] <blindcoder> ALSA
[12:21] <[raphael]> do you think disabling OSS would do?
[12:22] <[raphael]> I'll try that, I'm building my own kernel anyway
[12:22] <[raphael]> but the good news is that I can setup a FreeBSD any time, that works just as fine through pxe, but I'll try to get rock doing what I need first
[12:22] <blindcoder> you should try
[12:22] <blindcoder> and we should kick OSS from the stock kernel
[12:22] <[raphael]> yes, ... no
[12:23] <[raphael]> well, I don't know
[12:23] <[raphael]> it's your kernel
[12:23] <blindcoder> if it works for you without OSS I will post the patch kicking OSS
[12:23] <[raphael]> now... on what desktop in what konsole is that kernel config...
[12:23] <blindcoder> because that helped for me, at least
[12:23] <[raphael]> yes, I'll let you know
[12:23] <[raphael]> ah... found it
[12:25] Action: blindcoder continues moving rockdoc to rockwiki
[12:36] <blindcoder> *narf*
[12:37] <blindcoder> ".tar.bz2" is not a recommended image file format.
[12:37] <blindcoder> STFU!
[12:37] <blindcoder> It was "Upload File"! Not "Upload Image"!
[12:48] <daja77_> blindcoder: you have to add that extension to list of known extensions for mediawiki
[12:48] <daja77_> netrunner: ok, including your name
[12:49] <blindcoder> daja77_: need to bug clifford
[12:49] <blindcoder> clifford: please add .tar.bz2 to the list of known extensions for rockwiki
[12:51] <daja77_> netrunner: done
[13:34] <[raphael]> still no sound
[13:34] <[raphael]> maybe it's the other way round: disable ALSA
[13:34] <[raphael]> I wonder... maybe I should really check that
[13:40] <[raphael]> xorg is also not working...
[13:48] <[raphael]> nope, oss doesn't work either
[13:51] <blindcoder> do you have udevd running?
[13:56] <[raphael]> no idea
[13:57] <[raphael]> isn't that started automatically as you said?
[13:57] <blindcoder> it should
[13:57] <[raphael]> root@localhost:~# ps ax | grep udev
[13:57] <[raphael]>  2800 pts/1    S+     0:00 grep udev
[13:57] <[raphael]> root@localhost:~#                    
[13:57] <[raphael]> nothing
[13:57] <blindcoder> ooookay
[13:57] <blindcoder> now
[13:57] <blindcoder> run udevstart
[13:57] <blindcoder> and check if /dev/sound/ appears
[13:57] <[raphael]> yup
[13:57] <[raphael]> yes, I got a dsp and a mixer now
[13:57] <blindcoder> good
[13:57] <blindcoder> check if /etc/rc.d/init.d/udevd exists
[13:58] <[raphael]> sound is playing, with OSS now
[13:58] <[raphael]> I'll rebuild with alsa
[13:58] <blindcoder> okay, check the init script first
[13:58] <[raphael]> so now, where is udevstart started?
[13:59] <blindcoder> udevstart is just a one-shot program
[13:59] <blindcoder> you need udevd
[13:59] <blindcoder> that should be started in /etc/rc.d/init.d/udevd
[13:59] <[raphael]> ?
[13:59] <[raphael]> don't have udevd
[13:59] <[raphael]> there
[14:00] <blindcoder> hrm
[14:00] <blindcoder> just a moment
[14:01] <blindcoder> you should create that file according to this template: http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/package/base/udev/udevd.init
[14:01] <blindcoder> or you can rebuild the udev package
[14:03] <[raphael]> it doesn't show up in stone
[14:03] <[raphael]> # mine -q | grep udev
[14:03] <[raphael]> udev 070 0
[14:03] <blindcoder> [V] 077
[14:04] <[raphael]> sorry.. moved it to wrong dir (the udevd)
[14:04] <daja77_> rockbot: mine -q udev works too ;)
[14:04] <daja77_> grrr
[14:04] <blindcoder> daja77_: and your tab completion is broken *hide*
[14:04] <[raphael]> blindcoder: what priority does it need?
[14:04] <[raphael]> or what do you suggest?
[14:04] <daja77_> the new irrsi always complete to the least active person in the chan
[14:05] <[raphael]> daja77_: ah... yes, right, thanks
[14:05] <[raphael]> daja77_: maybe to make sure they get enough attention
[14:05] <daja77_> hehe
[14:07] <blindcoder> [raphael]: 10
[14:33] <blindcoder> *phew*
[14:33] <blindcoder> I think I moved everything interesting into RockWiki
[14:35] <blindcoder> clifford: I'm done with the rockdoc -> rockwiki transition
[14:36] <daja77_> cool
[14:36] <blindcoder> I moved everything but the "What is ROCK?" and "Text Formatting Rules" section :)
[14:39] <daja77_> textformatting is explained in the mediawiki documentation :)
[14:39] <daja77_> how do you like it?
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[14:49] <blindcoder> not at all
[14:49] <daja77_> i see
[14:49] <daja77_> because of the upload thing?
[14:50] <blindcoder> because of a) missing offline edit and b) the syntax is strange
[14:50] <blindcoder> to get something like this:
[14:50] <blindcoder> blablabla
[14:50] <blindcoder> * item 1
[14:50] <blindcoder> * item 2
[14:50] <blindcoder>   description of item 2
[14:50] <blindcoder> you have to do <start of line>* item 2<br>description of item 2
[14:51] <daja77_> description of items? what is that
[14:51] <blindcoder> like this:
[14:51] <blindcoder> <ul>
[14:51] <blindcoder> <li>item 1
[14:51] <blindcoder> <li>item 2<br>
[14:51] <blindcoder> description of item 2
[14:52] <blindcoder> <li>item 3
[14:52] <blindcoder> </ul>
[14:52] <blindcoder> indented text
[14:52] <blindcoder> see http://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/PackageFilesReference
[14:52] <blindcoder> then there's no syntax for <tt> or <pre> within normal text
[14:53] <blindcoder> which used to be blabla {{foo}} blabla in subwiki
[14:53] <daja77_> <pre> works
[14:53] <blindcoder> to get preformatted text you have to either use html directly (which sucks)
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[14:53] <blindcoder> or start every line with a space which isn't possible in the middle of the line
[14:55] <blindcoder> also, there seems to be no syntax for underlining text
[14:55] <daja77_> what about 
[14:55] <daja77_> ; Definition list : list of definitions
[14:55] <daja77_> ; item : the item's definition
[14:55] <daja77_> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:List
[14:58] <blindcoder> I did use that in the desc file syntax page
[14:59] <daja77_> ic
[16:56] <blindcoder> okay, now I'm suspicious
[16:56] <blindcoder> why do I get spam(?) about an US Kendo championship to a mail address I never attached to my kendo activities?
[16:58] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I'm getting spam about karate world championships although I never signed up anywhere
[16:58] <[raphael]> but that was a few months ago already
[17:01] <blindcoder> heh
[17:01] <blindcoder> actually, I don't use that address at all
[17:01] <blindcoder> it's basically my login name at my server
[17:11] <[raphael]> ohoo
[17:12] <blindcoder> oh
[17:12] <blindcoder> damn
[17:12] <blindcoder> I have that mail address as contact address in my blog
[17:12] <blindcoder> that might explain why I got that mail there
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[18:03] <madtux> hello.
[18:03] <blindcoder> moin madtux 
[18:04] <madtux> hi bc.
[18:04] <blindcoder> madtux: at work?
[18:04] <madtux> yup.
[18:06] <blindcoder> hehe
[18:06] <blindcoder> sorry, just need someone to laugh at ;)
[18:06] <madtux> :-)
[18:06] <blindcoder> today's just such a fine day :D
[18:06] <madtux> same here.
[18:07] <blindcoder> now if that ETA chick would have given me her phone number it would have been a perfect day
[18:07] <esden> blindcoder: did you ask her?
[18:08] <blindcoder> esden: sure
[18:08] <esden> blindcoder: and she said no?
[18:08] <blindcoder> esden: half an hour about all of them animal treatment stuff
[18:09] <blindcoder> esden: then I said "Sorry, gotta run. can you give me your number so I can call you back?"
[18:09] <blindcoder> esden: and that bitch said she couldn't do that :P
[18:09] <blindcoder> damn tham ETA activists. They get all the cuties...
[18:10] <esden> hehe ;)
[18:10] <blindcoder> guess I'll print some cards like you do
[18:10] <blindcoder> then hand her one: Sorry, gotta run. can you call me back on that issue?
[18:11] <blindcoder> Sorry, gotta go. The pig's in the oven and if I don't hurry, it'll burn :D
[18:11] <madtux> yeah ask esden for some tips... :)
[18:12] <blindcoder> madtux: HE gets to do sex pics!
[18:12] <madtux> :)
[18:12] <madtux> well done esden 
[18:13] <madtux> funny.. when i met esden he was scared of talking to girls.
[18:14] <blindcoder> madtux: they all come to him. girls dig him by now ;)
[18:14] <madtux> blindcoder, i think its time to spend more time with esden.
[18:14] <madtux> :)
[18:15] <madtux> and... to take some photography lessons
[18:15] <blindcoder> sure, he just needs to move to Berlin :D
[18:16] <blindcoder> I tried, but
[18:16] <blindcoder> somehow it doesn't interest me enough to get really into it
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[18:53] <[raphael]> the i810 driver isn't working either
[18:53] <[raphael]> I'm giving Linux 2.4 a try now
[19:57] <[raphael]> ROCK Linux doesn't work anymore (out-of-the-box) with Linux 2.4
[19:57] <[raphael]> it barks on booting that it doesn't know sysfs, and its damn right
[19:57] <[raphael]> you should update /etc/init.d/system to only mount and umount sysfs
[19:57] <blindcoder> yes, 2.4 doesn't know sysfs
[19:58] <[raphael]> and... I just did that and it's still barking at me?
[19:58] <[raphael]> I removed it from /etc/fstab
[19:58] <blindcoder> do you have devfsd configured and running?
[19:58] <[raphael]> yes
[19:58] <[raphael]> but that wouldn't teach it about sysfs
[19:59] <blindcoder> of course not
[19:59] <blindcoder> but it should create the device nodes correctly
[19:59] <blindcoder> how is it barking?
[20:03] <[raphael]> I'll tell you on next boot
[20:06] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I'm getting clueless
[20:06] <[raphael]> mount: sysfs has wrong device number or fs type sysfs not supported
[20:06] <[raphael]> apparently it is STILL trying to mount sysfs
[20:07] <[raphael]> i have commented out EVERYTHING in /etc
[20:07] <[raphael]> I'll probably give OpenBSD a shot
[20:07] <blindcoder> system line 83
[20:07] <blindcoder> that's all I find
[20:07] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:07] <[raphael]> yes, commented both out
[20:07] <[raphael]> (the mount and unmount)
[20:08] <blindcoder> also the fstab entry?
[20:08] <[raphael]> and... I just realise I need a functional system tomorrow
[20:08] <[raphael]> yes
[20:08] <[raphael]> fstab comment is a #, right?
[20:08] <blindcoder> right
[20:08] <blindcoder> do you use an initrd?
[20:10] <[raphael]> yes...
[20:10] <[raphael]> remove that?
[20:10] <blindcoder> which?
[20:10] <blindcoder> mkinitrd? or mkinitrdnew?
[20:10] <[raphael]> the wrong of course
[20:10] <[raphael]> the one from 2.6
[20:10] <blindcoder> yes, but whcih program did you call to create it?
[20:10] <[raphael]> I'll just comment it out from grub, I compiled everything for booting into the kernel
[20:10] <blindcoder> mkinitrd or mkinitrdnew?
[20:10] <[raphael]> none
[20:10] <[raphael]> I'm still using stock-rock-linux26-initrd
[20:11] <[raphael]> even with linux24 - you just reminded me of that
[20:11] <[raphael]> and now I'll see if it works without it
[20:12] <blindcoder> I don't know about the stock initrd, I tried enhancing it once and then wrote my own (which is now mkinitrdnew)
[20:14] <[raphael]> blindcoder: no, I'm not even using an initrd
[20:14] <[raphael]> it already is commented out in menu.lst
[20:14] <blindcoder> how you got me stumped
[20:15] <blindcoder> now
[20:15] <blindcoder> no initrd
[20:15] <blindcoder> no sysfs in /etc/ anywhere
[20:15] <blindcoder> hrm
[20:15] <blindcoder> did you switch to devfs in stone?
[20:16] <[raphael]> blindcoder: no, but I disabled udevd
[20:16] <[raphael]> and enabled devfsd
[20:16] <blindcoder> [raphael]: then /etc/initscript tries to start udev anyway
[20:16] <[raphael]> in services
[20:16] <blindcoder> [raphael]: it may be that udevstart tries to mount sysfs then
[20:16] <[raphael]> oh, because it needs it?
[20:17] <[raphael]> wrong design
[20:17] <blindcoder>     3. Kernel Drivers and Hardware Configuration
[20:17] <[raphael]> well, maybe not
[20:17] <blindcoder> udev is broken by design
[20:17] <[raphael]> I'm now switching to devfs in stone
[20:17] <[raphael]> does that fix my initscript?
[20:17] <blindcoder> yes
[20:17] <[raphael]> no, well, how it's integrated in the system
[20:17] <blindcoder> initscript then initialises /dev with devfs
[20:18] <[raphael]> ok, now we go
[20:18] <[raphael]> last reboot I hope
[20:19] <[raphael]> aha, seems to work
[20:19] <[raphael]> so that's it for today, I'm off
[20:19] <blindcoder> okay
[20:19] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you saved my ROCK installation
[20:19] <blindcoder> bye
[20:19] <blindcoder> YAY! :)
[20:19] <[raphael]> I would have wiped it if it kept being silly
[20:20] <[raphael]> yes, it's YOUR day :)
[20:21] <blindcoder> indeed it is
[20:21] <blindcoder> there have been lots of good things happened today :D
[20:22] <[raphael]> nice :)
[20:22] <blindcoder> now if only that chick would have given me her phone number...
[20:25] <[raphael]> aha, there you go: sound and X11 out-of-the-box with Linux 2.4
[20:26] <esden> blindcoder: you still dream about that chick?
[20:26] <blindcoder>  since I'm awake, I'm not dreaming, right?
[20:26] <esden> blindcoder: ofyi: you are daydreaming
[20:27] <blindcoder> whatever
[20:27] <blindcoder> I'll dream today
[20:27] <blindcoder> tomorrow there'll be another chick
[20:30] <esden> full ack blindcoder 
[20:46] <madtux> why would u settle to one?
[20:49] <blindcoder> madtux: one step at a time, my friend. one step at a time.
[20:51] <esden> today was an insanely beautyfull day: http://www.esden.net/photoblog/ ;)
[20:52] <blindcoder> esden: indeed :D
[20:52] <esden> *G*
[21:28] <netrunner> re
[21:28] <esden> huhu netrunner 
[21:29] <netrunner> hui buh :)
[21:29] Action: netrunner now has some experience points in russian train system :)
[21:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: did you raise to XL 3?
[21:30] <netrunner> blindcoder: probably :) and after caring for my ill friend with broken leg I will get more sozial skill :)
[21:31] <blindcoder> w00t
[21:31] <blindcoder> humm
[21:31] <blindcoder> http://fun.drno.de/pics/radarfalle_in_muelltonne_versteckt.gif
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