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[01:46] daja77_ (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:56] daja77 (n=daja@dslb-088-072-033-109.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:57] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-ff973999d1d652c6) joined #rocklinux. [01:57] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-be054924917fa273) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:57] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [02:50] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-ff973999d1d652c6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:55] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-0c5cc97ba4fda14f) joined #rocklinux. [07:31] <blindcoder> netrunner: thanks :) [08:15] BoS (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-039-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:21] BoS_ (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-032-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:11] <[raphael]> moin [09:31] <[raphael]> so... what's the release schedule for crystal 1.0 ? [09:35] <blindcoder> The next Crystal will be 3.0 IIRC [09:36] <blindcoder> and the schedule is: a) find a maintainer for correction releases [09:58] esden (i=esdentem@pallas.crash-override.net) got netsplit. [10:00] <[raphael]> that sounds like a bad schedule (or rather incomplete) :( [10:01] <[raphael]> well, heh, at least it's not sth like "it's still so bug ridden" :) [10:03] <blindcoder> oka, there _are_ a few more things [10:04] esden (i=esdentem@pallas.crash-override.net) returned to #rocklinux. [10:04] <blindcoder> most notably getting the security team up and running [10:04] <blindcoder> then the website transition to a mediawiki [10:04] <blindcoder> basically, some of the stuff I wrote in the 22C3 mail [10:05] <blindcoder> the website transition just waits for me to get off my lazy ass :) [10:05] Action: [raphael] commands blindcoder to get off his lazy ass [10:06] <blindcoder> I'm already working on it since 9 AM [10:07] <[raphael]> :) wonderful! [10:08] <[raphael]> btw, the system is up and running, gave me a bit of a headache installing grub (or lilo) without devices (the bootdisk kernel does not support devfs), but then I just cp -a the devices from the 2nd stage and that worked fine [10:08] <blindcoder> but mediawiki is so entirely different from subwiki >_< [10:08] <[raphael]> (the /dev/ide ones) [10:09] <blindcoder> there is no more devfs [10:24] <[raphael]> yes, I know, that's the problem (I have), and I don't know anything about udev, not even how to mount it [10:25] <blindcoder> udev is a userspace application [10:26] <blindcoder> you just select it using stone [10:26] <blindcoder> and then it will always be automatically started [10:44] Action: netrunner updated to 2.6.15 ... or am I too late? [10:45] <blindcoder> nope, don't think so [10:47] <blindcoder> feels like my hands are going to fall off rsn [10:51] Action: netrunner supressing a comment [10:53] <blindcoder> from moving ROCKDoc into MediaWiki! [10:53] <netrunner> aaah :) [10:54] <netrunner> is clifford in holiday? submaster is stalled for a month now ... [10:56] <blindcoder> he's been here yesterday but I heard rumors about him being in africa [10:56] <netrunner> is mediawiki svn based? [10:57] <blindcoder> no, mysql [10:57] <blindcoder> so no more offline editing :( [11:11] <blindcoder> 21 pages in 2 hours [11:11] <blindcoder> guess that's okay for now [11:13] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:13] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:18] <daja77_> d'oh i did the same patch yesterday and even fixed the typo [11:19] <netrunner> typo? [11:21] <daja77_> initially wrote by clifford wold or sth [11:23] <netrunner> well, I must admit that I removed the comment when rediffing it *duck* [11:23] <netrunner> daja77_: feel free to submit yours, then I will recall mine now. [11:56] <blindcoder> re [12:11] <[raphael]> did I tell you that linux is broken? (how often?) [12:12] <[raphael]> I really hope not to regret my rock installation on my laptop too soon [12:12] <[raphael]> that is, sound is not working [12:12] <[raphael]> and I have seen NO system where sound is working with a 2.6 kernel [12:13] <blindcoder> my two systems work perfectly with an out-of-the-rock-box kernel [12:13] <[raphael]> maybe I should just use 2.4 [12:13] <blindcoder> what soundcard do you have? [12:14] <[raphael]> snd_intel8x0m,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec [12:14] <blindcoder> hmm [12:14] <blindcoder> do /dev/sound/* exist? [12:14] <[raphael]> and the other machine has a standard SB128 [12:14] <[raphael]> nope, no dsp anywhere [12:14] <[raphael]> that is, no /dev/sound [12:15] <blindcoder> does hwscan detect them? [12:15] Action: [raphael] running hwscan [12:16] <[raphael]> hwscan gives me the following (regarding sound): [12:17] <[raphael]> ### pci00fd (Device 80862485) ### [12:17] <[raphael]> # Unkown device for driver snd-intel8x0 [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-intel8x0 #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-pcm-oss #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-seq-oss #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-mixer-oss #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> ### pci00fe (Device 80862486) ### [12:17] <[raphael]> # Unkown device for driver snd-intel8x0m [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-intel8x0m #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-pcm-oss #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-seq-oss #no-initrd [12:17] <[raphael]> modprobe snd-mixer-oss #no-initrd [12:17] <blindcoder> sounds fine to me [12:17] <[raphael]> :) [12:18] <[raphael]> but modprobing those doesn't change the situation [12:18] <[raphael]> still no sound [12:18] <blindcoder> ah [12:18] <blindcoder> can you send me the output of lsmod in a pastebin on query? [12:18] <blindcoder> s/on/or/ [12:18] <blindcoder> I think I know what the problem is [12:20] <[raphael]> blindcoder: https://rafb.net/paste/results/RwFKG023.html [12:21] <blindcoder> okay, maybe not [12:21] <blindcoder> I had the problem of OSS modules being loaded before the ALSO modules [12:21] <blindcoder> ALSA [12:21] <[raphael]> do you think disabling OSS would do? [12:22] <[raphael]> I'll try that, I'm building my own kernel anyway [12:22] <[raphael]> but the good news is that I can setup a FreeBSD any time, that works just as fine through pxe, but I'll try to get rock doing what I need first [12:22] <blindcoder> you should try [12:22] <blindcoder> and we should kick OSS from the stock kernel [12:22] <[raphael]> yes, ... no [12:23] <[raphael]> well, I don't know [12:23] <[raphael]> it's your kernel [12:23] <blindcoder> if it works for you without OSS I will post the patch kicking OSS [12:23] <[raphael]> now... on what desktop in what konsole is that kernel config... [12:23] <blindcoder> because that helped for me, at least [12:23] <[raphael]> yes, I'll let you know [12:23] <[raphael]> ah... found it [12:25] Action: blindcoder continues moving rockdoc to rockwiki [12:36] <blindcoder> *narf* [12:37] <blindcoder> ".tar.bz2" is not a recommended image file format. [12:37] <blindcoder> STFU! [12:37] <blindcoder> It was "Upload File"! Not "Upload Image"! [12:48] <daja77_> blindcoder: you have to add that extension to list of known extensions for mediawiki [12:48] <daja77_> netrunner: ok, including your name [12:49] <blindcoder> daja77_: need to bug clifford [12:49] <blindcoder> clifford: please add .tar.bz2 to the list of known extensions for rockwiki [12:51] <daja77_> netrunner: done [13:34] <[raphael]> still no sound [13:34] <[raphael]> maybe it's the other way round: disable ALSA [13:34] <[raphael]> I wonder... maybe I should really check that [13:40] <[raphael]> xorg is also not working... [13:48] <[raphael]> nope, oss doesn't work either [13:51] <blindcoder> do you have udevd running? [13:56] <[raphael]> no idea [13:57] <[raphael]> isn't that started automatically as you said? [13:57] <blindcoder> it should [13:57] <[raphael]> root@localhost:~# ps ax | grep udev [13:57] <[raphael]> 2800 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep udev [13:57] <[raphael]> root@localhost:~# [13:57] <[raphael]> nothing [13:57] <blindcoder> ooookay [13:57] <blindcoder> now [13:57] <blindcoder> run udevstart [13:57] <blindcoder> and check if /dev/sound/ appears [13:57] <[raphael]> yup [13:57] <[raphael]> yes, I got a dsp and a mixer now [13:57] <blindcoder> good [13:57] <blindcoder> check if /etc/rc.d/init.d/udevd exists [13:58] <[raphael]> sound is playing, with OSS now [13:58] <[raphael]> I'll rebuild with alsa [13:58] <blindcoder> okay, check the init script first [13:58] <[raphael]> so now, where is udevstart started? [13:59] <blindcoder> udevstart is just a one-shot program [13:59] <blindcoder> you need udevd [13:59] <blindcoder> that should be started in /etc/rc.d/init.d/udevd [13:59] <[raphael]> ? [13:59] <[raphael]> don't have udevd [13:59] <[raphael]> there [14:00] <blindcoder> hrm [14:00] <blindcoder> just a moment [14:01] <blindcoder> you should create that file according to this template: https://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/package/base/udev/udevd.init [14:01] <blindcoder> or you can rebuild the udev package [14:03] <[raphael]> it doesn't show up in stone [14:03] <[raphael]> # mine -q | grep udev [14:03] <[raphael]> udev 070 0 [14:03] <blindcoder> [V] 077 [14:04] <[raphael]> sorry.. moved it to wrong dir (the udevd) [14:04] <daja77_> rockbot: mine -q udev works too ;) [14:04] <daja77_> grrr [14:04] <blindcoder> daja77_: and your tab completion is broken *hide* [14:04] <[raphael]> blindcoder: what priority does it need? [14:04] <[raphael]> or what do you suggest? [14:04] <daja77_> the new irrsi always complete to the least active person in the chan [14:05] <[raphael]> daja77_: ah... yes, right, thanks [14:05] <[raphael]> daja77_: maybe to make sure they get enough attention [14:05] <daja77_> hehe [14:07] <blindcoder> [raphael]: 10 [14:33] <blindcoder> *phew* [14:33] <blindcoder> I think I moved everything interesting into RockWiki [14:35] <blindcoder> clifford: I'm done with the rockdoc -> rockwiki transition [14:36] <daja77_> cool [14:36] <blindcoder> I moved everything but the "What is ROCK?" and "Text Formatting Rules" section :) [14:39] <daja77_> textformatting is explained in the mediawiki documentation :) [14:39] <daja77_> how do you like it? [14:43] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:49] <blindcoder> not at all [14:49] <daja77_> i see [14:49] <daja77_> because of the upload thing? [14:50] <blindcoder> because of a) missing offline edit and b) the syntax is strange [14:50] <blindcoder> to get something like this: [14:50] <blindcoder> blablabla [14:50] <blindcoder> * item 1 [14:50] <blindcoder> * item 2 [14:50] <blindcoder> description of item 2 [14:50] <blindcoder> you have to do <start of line>* item 2<br>description of item 2 [14:51] <daja77_> description of items? what is that [14:51] <blindcoder> like this: [14:51] <blindcoder> <ul> [14:51] <blindcoder> <li>item 1 [14:51] <blindcoder> <li>item 2<br> [14:51] <blindcoder> description of item 2 [14:52] <blindcoder> <li>item 3 [14:52] <blindcoder> </ul> [14:52] <blindcoder> indented text [14:52] <blindcoder> see https://doc.rocklinux.org/wiki/PackageFilesReference [14:52] <blindcoder> then there's no syntax for <tt> or <pre> within normal text [14:53] <blindcoder> which used to be blabla {{foo}} blabla in subwiki [14:53] <daja77_> <pre> works [14:53] <blindcoder> to get preformatted text you have to either use html directly (which sucks) [14:53] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [14:53] <blindcoder> or start every line with a space which isn't possible in the middle of the line [14:55] <blindcoder> also, there seems to be no syntax for underlining text [14:55] <daja77_> what about [14:55] <daja77_> ; Definition list : list of definitions [14:55] <daja77_> ; item : the item's definition [14:55] <daja77_> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:List [14:58] <blindcoder> I did use that in the desc file syntax page [14:59] <daja77_> ic [16:56] <blindcoder> okay, now I'm suspicious [16:56] <blindcoder> why do I get spam(?) about an US Kendo championship to a mail address I never attached to my kendo activities? [16:58] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I'm getting spam about karate world championships although I never signed up anywhere [16:58] <[raphael]> but that was a few months ago already [17:01] <blindcoder> heh [17:01] <blindcoder> actually, I don't use that address at all [17:01] <blindcoder> it's basically my login name at my server [17:11] <[raphael]> ohoo [17:12] <blindcoder> oh [17:12] <blindcoder> damn [17:12] <blindcoder> I have that mail address as contact address in my blog [17:12] <blindcoder> that might explain why I got that mail there [17:43] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:43] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:03] madtux (i=miguel@196.40.45.45) joined #rocklinux. [18:03] <madtux> hello. [18:03] <blindcoder> moin madtux [18:04] <madtux> hi bc. [18:04] <blindcoder> madtux: at work? [18:04] <madtux> yup. [18:06] <blindcoder> hehe [18:06] <blindcoder> sorry, just need someone to laugh at ;) [18:06] <madtux> :-) [18:06] <blindcoder> today's just such a fine day :D [18:06] <madtux> same here. [18:07] <blindcoder> now if that ETA chick would have given me her phone number it would have been a perfect day [18:07] <esden> blindcoder: did you ask her? [18:08] <blindcoder> esden: sure [18:08] <esden> blindcoder: and she said no? [18:08] <blindcoder> esden: half an hour about all of them animal treatment stuff [18:09] <blindcoder> esden: then I said "Sorry, gotta run. can you give me your number so I can call you back?" [18:09] <blindcoder> esden: and that bitch said she couldn't do that :P [18:09] <blindcoder> damn tham ETA activists. They get all the cuties... [18:10] <esden> hehe ;) [18:10] <blindcoder> guess I'll print some cards like you do [18:10] <blindcoder> then hand her one: Sorry, gotta run. can you call me back on that issue? [18:11] <blindcoder> Sorry, gotta go. The pig's in the oven and if I don't hurry, it'll burn :D [18:11] <madtux> yeah ask esden for some tips... :) [18:12] <blindcoder> madtux: HE gets to do sex pics! [18:12] <madtux> :) [18:12] <madtux> well done esden [18:13] <madtux> funny.. when i met esden he was scared of talking to girls. [18:14] <blindcoder> madtux: they all come to him. girls dig him by now ;) [18:14] <madtux> blindcoder, i think its time to spend more time with esden. [18:14] <madtux> :) [18:15] <madtux> and... to take some photography lessons [18:15] <blindcoder> sure, he just needs to move to Berlin :D [18:16] <blindcoder> I tried, but [18:16] <blindcoder> somehow it doesn't interest me enough to get really into it [18:25] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-0c5cc97ba4fda14f) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:31] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-1709a1c23d7b8ac7) joined #rocklinux. [18:33] menomc (n=amery@200.75.27.102) joined #rocklinux. [18:33] mnemoc (n=amery@200.75.27.60) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:35] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc [18:39] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-377f7410e7256bf3) joined #rocklinux. [18:39] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-1709a1c23d7b8ac7) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:39] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [18:53] <[raphael]> the i810 driver isn't working either [18:53] <[raphael]> I'm giving Linux 2.4 a try now [19:57] <[raphael]> ROCK Linux doesn't work anymore (out-of-the-box) with Linux 2.4 [19:57] <[raphael]> it barks on booting that it doesn't know sysfs, and its damn right [19:57] <[raphael]> you should update /etc/init.d/system to only mount and umount sysfs [19:57] <blindcoder> yes, 2.4 doesn't know sysfs [19:58] <[raphael]> and... I just did that and it's still barking at me? [19:58] <[raphael]> I removed it from /etc/fstab [19:58] <blindcoder> do you have devfsd configured and running? [19:58] <[raphael]> yes [19:58] <[raphael]> but that wouldn't teach it about sysfs [19:59] <blindcoder> of course not [19:59] <blindcoder> but it should create the device nodes correctly [19:59] <blindcoder> how is it barking? [20:03] <[raphael]> I'll tell you on next boot [20:06] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I'm getting clueless [20:06] <[raphael]> mount: sysfs has wrong device number or fs type sysfs not supported [20:06] <[raphael]> apparently it is STILL trying to mount sysfs [20:07] <[raphael]> i have commented out EVERYTHING in /etc [20:07] <[raphael]> I'll probably give OpenBSD a shot [20:07] <blindcoder> system line 83 [20:07] <blindcoder> that's all I find [20:07] <blindcoder> hmm [20:07] <[raphael]> yes, commented both out [20:07] <[raphael]> (the mount and unmount) [20:08] <blindcoder> also the fstab entry? [20:08] <[raphael]> and... I just realise I need a functional system tomorrow [20:08] <[raphael]> yes [20:08] <[raphael]> fstab comment is a #, right? [20:08] <blindcoder> right [20:08] <blindcoder> do you use an initrd? [20:10] <[raphael]> yes... [20:10] <[raphael]> remove that? [20:10] <blindcoder> which? [20:10] <blindcoder> mkinitrd? or mkinitrdnew? [20:10] <[raphael]> the wrong of course [20:10] <[raphael]> the one from 2.6 [20:10] <blindcoder> yes, but whcih program did you call to create it? [20:10] <[raphael]> I'll just comment it out from grub, I compiled everything for booting into the kernel [20:10] <blindcoder> mkinitrd or mkinitrdnew? [20:10] <[raphael]> none [20:10] <[raphael]> I'm still using stock-rock-linux26-initrd [20:11] <[raphael]> even with linux24 - you just reminded me of that [20:11] <[raphael]> and now I'll see if it works without it [20:12] <blindcoder> I don't know about the stock initrd, I tried enhancing it once and then wrote my own (which is now mkinitrdnew) [20:14] <[raphael]> blindcoder: no, I'm not even using an initrd [20:14] <[raphael]> it already is commented out in menu.lst [20:14] <blindcoder> how you got me stumped [20:15] <blindcoder> now [20:15] <blindcoder> no initrd [20:15] <blindcoder> no sysfs in /etc/ anywhere [20:15] <blindcoder> hrm [20:15] <blindcoder> did you switch to devfs in stone? [20:16] <[raphael]> blindcoder: no, but I disabled udevd [20:16] <[raphael]> and enabled devfsd [20:16] <blindcoder> [raphael]: then /etc/initscript tries to start udev anyway [20:16] <[raphael]> in services [20:16] <blindcoder> [raphael]: it may be that udevstart tries to mount sysfs then [20:16] <[raphael]> oh, because it needs it? [20:17] <[raphael]> wrong design [20:17] <blindcoder> 3. Kernel Drivers and Hardware Configuration [20:17] <[raphael]> well, maybe not [20:17] <blindcoder> udev is broken by design [20:17] <[raphael]> I'm now switching to devfs in stone [20:17] <[raphael]> does that fix my initscript? [20:17] <blindcoder> yes [20:17] <[raphael]> no, well, how it's integrated in the system [20:17] <blindcoder> initscript then initialises /dev with devfs [20:18] <[raphael]> ok, now we go [20:18] <[raphael]> last reboot I hope [20:19] <[raphael]> aha, seems to work [20:19] <[raphael]> so that's it for today, I'm off [20:19] <blindcoder> okay [20:19] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you saved my ROCK installation [20:19] <blindcoder> bye [20:19] <blindcoder> YAY! :) [20:19] <[raphael]> I would have wiped it if it kept being silly [20:20] <[raphael]> yes, it's YOUR day :) [20:21] <blindcoder> indeed it is [20:21] <blindcoder> there have been lots of good things happened today :D [20:22] <[raphael]> nice :) [20:22] <blindcoder> now if only that chick would have given me her phone number... [20:25] <[raphael]> aha, there you go: sound and X11 out-of-the-box with Linux 2.4 [20:26] <esden> blindcoder: you still dream about that chick? [20:26] <blindcoder> since I'm awake, I'm not dreaming, right? [20:26] <esden> blindcoder: ofyi: you are daydreaming [20:27] <blindcoder> whatever [20:27] <blindcoder> I'll dream today [20:27] <blindcoder> tomorrow there'll be another chick [20:30] <esden> full ack blindcoder [20:46] <madtux> why would u settle to one? [20:49] <blindcoder> madtux: one step at a time, my friend. one step at a time. [20:51] <esden> today was an insanely beautyfull day: https://www.esden.net/photoblog/ ;) [20:52] <blindcoder> esden: indeed :D [20:52] <esden> *G* [21:28] <netrunner> re [21:28] <esden> huhu netrunner [21:29] <netrunner> hui buh :) [21:29] Action: netrunner now has some experience points in russian train system :) [21:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: did you raise to XL 3? [21:30] <netrunner> blindcoder: probably :) and after caring for my ill friend with broken leg I will get more sozial skill :) [21:31] <blindcoder> w00t [21:31] <blindcoder> humm [21:31] <blindcoder> https://fun.drno.de/pics/radarfalle_in_muelltonne_versteckt.gif [22:01] Freak__ (n=freak@dslb-082-083-182-120.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:16] Freak (n=freak@dslb-082-083-255-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:15] Nick change: Freak__ -> Freak [23:36] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-122-141.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:52] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-108-022.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:52] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [00:00] --- Thu Jan 12 2006