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[08:15] <[raphael]> morning all
[08:16] <[raphael]> if anyone is interested, ROCK is now capable of running the Kolab2 groupware server
[08:16] <[raphael]> ... reminds me, still have to submit another patch
[08:19] <esden> moin
[08:42] <blindcoder> moin
[08:42] <blindcoder> [raphael]: kolab2?
[08:54] <[raphael]> blindcoder: yep
[08:54] <[raphael]> blindcoder: moin
[08:54] <[raphael]> http://www.kolab.org
[08:55] <[raphael]> basically THE groupware server
[08:55] <[raphael]> I don't know any alternative
[09:00] <blindcoder> we use what used to be SLOX
[09:01] <[raphael]> used to be? oh, did novel stop that project?
[09:01] <[raphael]> but SLOX only supports the outlook protocol, no?
[09:02] <blindcoder> yes, now it's an own company
[09:02] <blindcoder> well, I'm using imaps on it 
[09:02] <[raphael]> ok, so it's not really a good one
[09:02] <blindcoder> huh?
[09:03] <blindcoder> how is the support of imaps bad?
[09:03] <[raphael]> no groupware with anything but outlook clients?
[09:03] <[raphael]> that's not bearable in a company setting
[09:03] <blindcoder> I really don't get your point right now
[09:03] <[raphael]> kolab supports outlook, kontact and other clients (web,...) transparently including groupware (calendar, ...) support
[09:04] <blindcoder> we're using slox with mozilla on linux, kmail on linux, outlook on windows
[09:04] <[raphael]> that is you can do real groupware with kolab, with any client
[09:04] <[raphael]> yes, but you don't get the groupware functionalities
[09:04] <[raphael]> with calenders and all
[09:04] <blindcoder> including calendar, todo list and all stuff
[09:04] <[raphael]> ok, now I get to learn something new: how does that work?
[09:05] <blindcoder> document management and whatnot
[09:05] <blindcoder> no idea, I'm not responsible for it
[09:05] <esden> I hate exams!!! WARGH!
[09:05] <blindcoder> but I'm using it just fine
[09:05] <blindcoder> esden: HA-HA
[09:05] <esden> :P
[09:05] <esden> I love you too blindcoder 
[09:05] <blindcoder> esden: start working you lazy student and you won't have exams in that amount anymore 
[09:06] <blindcoder> btw, I have kendo exam for go-kyu on Feb 8
[09:06] <esden> I have 9 exams in this and next week
[09:06] <esden> that sucks >_<
[09:06] <blindcoder> urg
[09:06] <blindcoder> I'd rather play some more MYST than that :)
[09:07] <esden> go working and earning money you _GAMER_
[09:07] <blindcoder> I _am_ at work :P
[09:07] <blindcoder> oh, maybe I should do something for even more inflation in WoW :D
[09:07] <esden> then do something productive!
[09:07] <blindcoder> brb, need to fax something
[09:08] <esden> go fax yourself ;)
[09:08] <esden> then we have a serialized blindcoder 
[09:10] <blindcoder> back
[09:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: what would interest me: what client are you using on linux and is the calendar you use integrated in that client?
[09:13] <blindcoder> [raphael]: kmail/kontact
[09:13] <blindcoder> [raphael]: and yes
[09:14] <blindcoder> okay, guess I gotta work now :)
[09:14] <blindcoder> bbl
[11:30] <netrunner> [raphael]: is there a webinterface for this kolab thing?
[11:32] <netrunner> [raphael]: revised question: is the experimental webinterface usable?
[11:37] <[raphael]> netrunner: what kind of web interface, administrative?
[11:38] <[raphael]> administrative web interface is fully available
[11:38] <[raphael]> webmail (if you mean that) is also available as third party (squirrelmail for example)
[11:38] <[raphael]> netrunner: you CAN install horde with kolab2 support, but it's not officially supported
[11:38] <[raphael]> or not yet, they're working on stabilizing it
[11:48] <netrunner> [raphael]: ah, I understand, I just use any webmail that uses imap or so.
[11:59] <[raphael]> netrunner: exactly
[12:00] <[raphael]> netrunner: and you can even run any other web page on the same apache
[12:00] <[raphael]> basically you have full access to all the components of kolab
[12:00] <netrunner> [raphael]: hm. I think for me it is bloat :) I use cyrus/imap + iloahmail now.
[12:00] <[raphael]> netrunner: heh, that's the exact same thing that I use for myself - cyrus imap and iloahmail
[12:01] <blindcoder> dovecot for me
[12:01] <[raphael]> but that doesn't do for a groupware setup of course
[12:01] <netrunner> [raphael]: I have long been looking for a useful webmail. I had squirrelmail, then a self-customized version of openwebmail (added folder frame like in squirrel)
[12:02] <[raphael]> (although for me it does, since kmail doesn't care whether it's the cyrus from kolab or not, it can store contact/calendar/... data on it nonetheless)
[12:02] <netrunner> [raphael]: well, I have it for my girlfriend who is too lazy to use ssh/mutt like I do :)
[12:02] <[raphael]> heh :)
[12:33] Action: daja77 is too lazy for mutt too
[12:53] Action: netrunner is too lazy to use a mouse for mailing.
[12:53] <daja77> hm I use the keyboard for kmail ;)
[12:54] <netrunner> blindcoder: is there a dovecot demo site?
[12:58] <owl> moin
[13:49] <blindcoder> netrunner: dovecot is an imap/pop server
[13:49] <blindcoder> netrunner: the only one I found that reads mbox file
[13:59] <netrunner> aah.
[14:59] <daja77> I am working on a patch for vim 6.4, this would be lacking kde gui support, that gui was buggy s i wouldn't miss it and vim 7 will include kde gui again, any objections?
[15:00] <daja77> i could add a package for that kde vim clone if you like as well
[15:11] <netrunner> who said perl was worse than bash? ${files[$(expr $RANDOM % ${#files[@]})]}
[15:33] <[raphael]> bye all, cu Wednesday
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[16:47] <owl> re
[16:47] <owl> *hibbel*
[16:47] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[16:47] <blindcoder> what's up?L
[16:47] <owl> dunno. very, very anxious
[16:48] <owl> (even after drivin gabout 200 km) 
[16:48] <owl> got my tft today :)
[16:48] <owl> ordered it in the morning (ok, 10 o clock) and got it at 15:20 
[16:48] <owl> ("abholung")
[16:48] <blindcoder> nice
[16:48] <owl> yep ;)
[16:49] <owl> i didn't know that we have a nice hardware-shop near neuburg (about 50 km far away)
[16:49] <blindcoder> I have a nice one round the corner :)
[16:49] <owl> and: wonder: i have space on my desk now :)))
[16:49] <owl> pah. 
[16:49] <owl> *sniff*
[16:50] <owl> but my tux can't sit on the monitor *giggle* 
[16:50] <blindcoder> awww
[16:50] <blindcoder> poor tux
[16:50] <daja77> blindcoder: it seems you blog has rss, perhaps you should place a link to it somewhere
[16:51] <blindcoder> daja77: that's waht the little icon in the lower right of firefox is for :)
[16:52] <blindcoder> daja77: done
[16:52] <owl> gnarf. it really would be nice if there was food 
[16:53] <daja77> blindcoder: ok so I'll add the rss link at my blog page ;)
[16:53] <blindcoder> YAY :)
[16:53] <daja77> perhaps we should put the rock dev blog links on the homepage
[16:54] <daja77> blindcoder: btw, interesting to see how much *you* are blogging as the "i don't know what to write" guy ;)
[16:55] <blindcoder> daja77: they used to be there...
[16:55] <blindcoder> daja77: pff, it's a braindump :P
[16:56] <daja77> sure always
[17:04] Action: netrunner updated his blog yesterday :)
[17:05] <blindcoder> daja77: can you create a page in the wiki for the blog collection?
[17:05] <daja77> oh I have no link of yours
[17:05] <daja77> blindcoder: a developer's gallery page?
[17:05] <netrunner> hah, now my gallery has directory thumbnails :)
[17:05] <blindcoder> daja77: heh, yeah :)
[17:06] <daja77> blindcoder: thought about that anyway
[17:06] <blindcoder> daja77: the typo3 login still works so you can still pull information from there
[17:07] <netrunner> daja77: http://andreas.anvame.net/blog/blosxom.cgi
[17:07] <daja77> blindcoder: copy and paste works without the login ;)
[17:08] <blindcoder> ah, yeah, it's still accessible at .net/typo3 isn't it?
[17:08] <daja77> yes
[17:08] <daja77> hm perhaps we have to do sth about the pics
[17:08] <daja77> I'll check out when I am home
[17:36] <daja77> clifford: ?
[18:11] <daja77> wah fedora 5 with gcc 4.1
[18:16] <esden> ROFL ... rene is stirring around again!
[18:17] <esden> http://www.symlink.ch/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/1052209
[18:22] <daja77> anonymous coward?
[18:23] <esden> It was not me who posted that "Ist das sowas wie rocklinux?"
[18:23] <daja77> no I mean the reply
[18:23] <esden> It was not me either
[18:24] <daja77> guessed that
[18:24] <esden> daja77: my post would be not in english ... and it would be not so short ... and it would not be so nice ;)
[18:24] <daja77> hehe
[18:25] <daja77> well I have no reason to be unpolite
[18:25] <esden> so I do not better post anything ... I have no nerve nor time for a flamewar
[18:25] <daja77> :)
[18:26] <esden> unpolite? who said that I would be unpolite
[18:27] <daja77> flaming is not polite in most cases ;)
[18:28] <esden> ohh ... you can start a flamewar providing meat to the ones that do get easily nerved ... and we know who would overreact here ... not me for sure ;)
[18:28] <esden> and I do not need to be unpolite to start a flamewar
[18:29] <daja77> true
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[19:05] Action: esden burning his photo's ;)
[19:05] <esden> -'
[19:24] <netrunner> esden-impolite? no, he is so polite, they even call him the polish
[19:48] <esden> hehe ;)
[19:48] <esden> netrunner: and I know that you do not say it ironically because it is true ;)
[20:12] <netrunner> bwaaah wuff wuff http://www.netzeitung.de/internet/376669.html
[20:13] <daja77> *sigh*
[22:04] <esden> boing
[22:05] <esden> wie krank!!!
[22:05] <esden> das funzt wirklich!
[22:05] <esden> erm ... that works really
[22:05] <netrunner> yeaaah :)
[22:05] <esden> wrong language once more
[22:06] <netrunner> another reason not to use php :)
[22:06] <esden> I hate php too ...
[22:06] <esden> I am writing my site in ruby on rails now ;)
[22:06] <netrunner> yes. /me now bas bash gallery.
[22:06] <netrunner> tomorrow comes bashwebmail
[22:06] <netrunner> and then bashworld :)
[22:10] <esden> hehe ;)
[22:18] <netrunner> oh, temperature falling. already -7. projected for tomorrow: -20, day after tomorrow: -30
[22:20] <mnemoc> woh
[22:20] <mnemoc> i have 36C :)
[22:20] <netrunner> mnemoc: wow, now it feels even colder here :)
[22:21] <mnemoc> :D
[22:22] <esden> wow ... we have 1 degree here in rosenheim ... 
[22:22] <esden> amazing
[22:22] Action: mnemoc dcc some heat to esden and netrunner 
[22:23] <esden> mnemoc: thanks
[22:23] <esden> *gnarf*
[22:23] <netrunner> yeah, roast my floppy :)
[22:23] <mnemoc> :)
[22:23] <esden> my powerbook has enough heat ... ... my hands never get cold when I sit in front of it ;)
[22:24] <mnemoc> i though apple machines were cold
[22:24] <mnemoc> my dell notebook is always over 65C :\
[22:24] <esden> waaaaargh ... blindcoder!!!!!!!!!!! *kill* *kill* *kill*
[22:25] <mnemoc> .oO( what did i say? )o
[22:25] <esden> damn presets for php in rock! >_<
[22:25] <esden> TrueType support missing >_<
[22:25] <esden> *GNAAARF*
[22:26] <esden> who is responsable ... please stand up!
[22:26] Action: stf^rocklinux ducks and covers
[22:27] <esden> aaaaha ... stf ... tztztz
[22:28] <stf^rocklinux> I didn't do a thing to php, pretty sure :S
[22:29] <esden> then why are you covering? ... you have nothing to fear when you are innocent!
[22:29] Action: esden waving his LART
[22:29] <stf^rocklinux> it was a pure measure of precaution, trying to avoid collateral damage etc... ^^
[22:30] <esden> aha ... you say it now ... measure of precaution ... i see 
[22:30] <esden> should I invite mathilda?
[22:30] <netrunner> esden: well, it is by default off, and rock says it builds packages in default config ... :)
[22:31] <netrunner> esden: it also misses gettext.
[22:32] <esden> netrunner: yes ... it does ...
[22:32] <esden> *sigh* I have to recompile php once more ... 
[22:32] <esden> wahhh!
[22:32] <esden> nooo ... I have no nerve for that
[22:32] <esden> I can live with the comment spam untill my new system works
[22:32] <esden> >_<
[22:37] <netrunner> esden: is there a --disable-eggs?
[22:37] <netrunner> esden: I could compile for you if you want...
[22:38] <esden> netrunner: no no ... I can live with that ... I do not know what sideeffects the update will have
[22:38] <esden> and I do not want my head ripped off by blindcoder 
[22:46] <stf^rocklinux> btw. how come there's no bootable iso for x86_64 yet? Isn't it possible to cross-build minimal bootstrap isos for all supported architectures e.g. on x86?
[22:49] <stf^rocklinux> In other words, has someone tried to cross-build recently? Any success stories? 
[22:52] <daja77> stf!
[22:52] <stf^rocklinux> daja! :)
[22:52] <daja77> have to talk to you, but I'd prefer to do it tomorrow
[22:54] <stf^rocklinux> fine, I'll be here from 6 p.m. CET 
[22:54] <stf^rocklinux> or earlier
[22:54] <daja77> god
[22:54] <daja77> good
[22:54] <stf^rocklinux> good god! ^^
[22:54] <daja77> not in the mood now ..
[23:52] Action: netrunner walked through kernel config and found some disabled options ...
[23:53] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: I guess noone tried cross builds. I e.g. have only x86/32 hardware, why should I cross build? :)
[23:57] <stf^rocklinux> so to-be users can download bootstrap isos, for example ;)
[23:59] <stf^rocklinux> that's really the reason I asked this question: to provide bootstrap isos for architectures for which we don't have full builds
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