[00:00] <stf^rocklinux> so users of 'exotic' architectures might get involved with ROCK and start doing their own builds :)
[00:01] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: as 
[00:02] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: as I said, lack of developer hardware
[00:02] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: and cross-compile at least for ia64 fails at 1-glibc
[00:04] <stf^rocklinux> yeah, I wish my PC was faster 
[00:05] <stf^rocklinux> I'm cross-compiling for x86-64 right now. I'll see shortly if 1-glibc23 succeeds...
[00:10] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: do you have the archest.out file?
[00:11] <blindcoder> defined reference to `__bzero'
[00:11] <blindcoder> a lot of these here
[00:12] <stf^rocklinux> you mean architecture/x86/archtest.out?
[00:12] <blindcoder> no, architecture/x86_64/archtest.out
[00:13] <stf^rocklinux> there's no architecture/x86_64 in my tree...
[00:13] <stf^rocklinux> I'm building x86 with 64 bit
[00:14] <stf^rocklinux> generic target, as a cross-build
[00:16] <daja77> damn I am wondering if 1&1 has a content filter for urls that they are hosting
[00:17] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I doubt that that will work
[00:18] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: at least 3 things are different
[00:18] <blindcoder> size_of_long, size_of_char_p and arch_machine
[00:18] <blindcoder> I just received the output of archtest.c from a x86_64 machine
[00:19] <stf^rocklinux> architecture/x86  is taking care of wether builds are for 32 or 64 bit
[00:19] <blindcoder> humm
[00:19] <stf^rocklinux> and defines those you mentioned acordingly
[00:19] <blindcoder> but ia64 and x86_64 are not binary compatible
[00:20] <blindcoder> well, I'm too sleepy to discuss this now
[00:20] <blindcoder> I'm off to bed
[00:20] <blindcoder> bye
[00:20] <stf^rocklinux> cy
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[00:25] <daja77> no webcam? ;)
[00:25] <netrunner> no, will be introduced next :)
[00:29] <daja77> crap day, think I'll just go
[00:29] <stf^rocklinux> why so?
[00:30] <daja77> a fellow student committed suicide
[00:30] <netrunner> ugh
[00:31] <stf^rocklinux> mein Beileid.
[00:32] <stf^rocklinux> did you know him/her?
[00:33] <daja77> yes I did
[00:33] <daja77> I took him to c3 last year
[00:33] <daja77> 2004 that is
[00:34] <stf^rocklinux> oh, my... that's sad
[00:34] <daja77> it sucks
[00:34] <esden> urgh ... damn ... :/
[00:35] <daja77> well n8
[00:35] <stf^rocklinux> gn8
[00:36] <stf^rocklinux> see you tomorrow
[00:36] <esden> n8 daja77 
[01:05] <netrunner> interesting. just learned that we should empty out /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug, as it uses netlink now.
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[06:53] <owl> moin
[09:07] <blindcoder> moin
[09:10] <netrunner> moin. cozy -17 here :)
[09:59] <th> it's 17 here too. but above zero ;-)
[10:13] <netrunner> OH
[10:13] <netrunner> who has pressed my capslock? *lookaround*
[10:14] <th> with "here" being _not_ in germany ;-]
[10:16] <esden> moin
[10:22] <netrunner> th: so where is here?
[10:39] <th> netrunner: spain
[11:01] <blindcoder> *yawns*
[11:01] <blindcoder> damn, I'm nearly falling asleep
[11:14] <esden> blindcoder: sleep is usefull ;)
[11:14] <esden> damn it is getting warmer here ... we have 2 degrees ... :(
[11:15] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:15] <blindcoder> it sure is useful
[11:15] <blindcoder> but not when you're at work
[11:15] <esden> I hate when snows starts melting ... everything is so ... WET!
[11:15] <blindcoder> it's the only wet thing some people will ever see P
[11:20] <esden> blindcoder: I see wet also in the bathroom ... in the kitchen ... my drinks are also wet
[11:20] <esden> so I see many wet things 
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[11:34] <netrunner> brr. /me just walked to university. -17 already hurts teeth when not breathing through nose.
[11:35] Action: netrunner curses his allergy
[11:49] <esden> and hurts nose when breathing through nose
[11:49] <esden> I know that feeling
[11:50] <daja77_> allergic against the cold?
[11:53] <netrunner> no, dust.
[11:57] <blindcoder> a techie that's allergic to dust?
[11:57] <blindcoder> WEE! 1glibc cross-built fine for x86_64
[11:57] <netrunner> yeah, well, I did not choose it.
[11:57] <netrunner> blindcoder: wait until he wants to use it :)
[11:58] <netrunner> unfortunately my build server left me last night :(
[11:58] <blindcoder> netrunner: I started that build yesterday evening already
[12:25] <blindcoder> wow, the cross-build is already at 1-gmp
[12:25] <blindcoder> anyway, back to work
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[13:50] <[raphael]> hi all
[13:59] <stf^rocklinux> hi raphael
[14:02] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: my x86_64 cross-build finished without errors :)
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[14:07] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: hi
[14:07] <[raphael]> Stefan, now that I have you here
[14:07] <[raphael]> I wanted to ask about that import package thing
[14:07] <stf^rocklinux> yes
[14:07] <[raphael]> is that sth like the other KDE packages, that include the .conf ?
[14:07] <[raphael]> or is it like the perl modules that I've seen somewhere?
[14:08] <stf^rocklinux> like the perl modules
[14:08] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: ok
[14:08] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: do I need help on that or can I figure out how that works myself?
[14:08] <[raphael]> that is, is there any hidden magic behind them?
[14:08] <[raphael]> (didn't look at anything closely yet)
[14:08] <stf^rocklinux> it should automate the work of creating .desc files for the dozens of kde-il10n packages
[14:09] <stf^rocklinux> I have to admit I haven't written an import package yet...
[14:09] <[raphael]> ok, so well, I'll look at that and bug anyone here or on the list if I need help
[14:10] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: by the way... where do you live actually?
[14:10] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I'm somewhere near Eferding, if that tells you anything
[14:10] <stf^rocklinux> Afair there's a perl script in the package directory that recreates .conf and .desc files from a single source file (or from data on the net)
[14:10] <stf^rocklinux> I live in Linz most of the time, the rest in Vienna
[14:11] <stf^rocklinux> Eferding, that's somewhere nearby, isn't it?
[14:11] <[raphael]> are these conf and desc files then included in svn, or are they created on-the-fly ?
[14:11] <[raphael]> Eferding is about 30 km west of Linz
[14:11] <stf^rocklinux> :)
[14:11] <[raphael]> just south of the danube
[14:12] <[raphael]> I figured from your email address that you're studying in Linz, so that's why I'm so curious
[14:12] <stf^rocklinux> yes, I do. You too?
[14:12] <[raphael]> in Wels actually :)
[14:12] <[raphael]> at the FH
[14:12] <stf^rocklinux> ah
[14:12] <[raphael]> it's called "Industrial Informatik" what I'm doing here
[14:13] <daja77_> O_o
[14:13] <stf^rocklinux> btw. the files are included in svn
[14:13] <[raphael]> oh, I mixed up english and german, it's called "Industrielle Informatik" in German
[14:14] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: i see
[14:14] <daja77_> hah! [raphael] is a robot
[14:14] <[raphael]> daja77_: yes, now you got me
[14:14] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: do you have an amd64 build host?
[14:15] <stf^rocklinux> no, an x86
[14:15] <daja77_> iirc fake got one
[14:15] <[raphael]> ah.. is he "working" on getting an amd64 crystal build together?
[14:15] <daja77_> i have no idea
[14:16] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: are you studying IT in Linz?
[14:16] <stf^rocklinux> I'm studying Mechatronik, IT is a part of that study
[14:17] <[raphael]> Something OT: I might need a new TFT monitor in the near future, anyone has some good experience on that? It should either be 1280x1024 17" or 1600x1200
[14:18] <[raphael]> and, it should be grey/white, not black
[14:18] <[raphael]> I find it rather difficult to get any light colored TFT's these days
[14:19] <daja77_> I have one ;)
[14:20] <[raphael]> daja77_: which one
[14:20] <daja77_> belinea 17"
[14:21] <stf^rocklinux> The thing I usually do before buying new hardware is reading relevant articles from the c't magazine
[14:21] <[raphael]> daja77_: ah... yes, I was just looking at exactly these
[14:21] <[raphael]> daja77_: so, which one do you have?
[14:22] <[raphael]> daja77_: actually I didn't find any of the belinea 17" really fitting my needs
[14:22] <daja77_> good question ;)
[14:22] <daja77_> well I can look it up at home
[14:23] <[raphael]> ok
[14:23] <daja77_> what are your needs?
[14:23] Action: netrunner needs something to eat.
[14:23] <[raphael]> I have bought a 15" ViewSonic 5 years ago (I think VP150p), and it's an amazingly high quality TFT (with 25 ms already)
[14:24] <daja77_> netrunner: hunt a bortscht ;)
[14:24] <[raphael]> my needs are probably a 17" with 1280x1024, it should have a light color (grey or white), it should be "adjustable" (height, turning, maybe pivot), and it MUST have DVI, if possible with a cable included
[14:25] <[raphael]> my ViewSonic has all that, except that it's 15"
[14:25] <netrunner> daja77_: borschtsch in the wild are now all frozen :)
[14:25] <[raphael]> by the way, I'm not throwing away my ViewSonic, but I need a second one for my other pc
[14:25] Action: [raphael] has no idea what bortschts are
[14:26] <[raphael]> alright, time to leave
[14:26] <[raphael]> see you later
[14:26] <stf^rocklinux> cy
[14:26] <daja77_> [raphael]: famous russian soup
[14:27] <esden> wahh I do not like the russian borschtsch or how it is spelled in english/german
[14:27] <daja77_> guess there is a polish counter product or sth
[14:27] <esden> the polisch barszcz is much better! yummy
[14:27] <esden> I get hungry
[14:27] <daja77_> I knew it
[14:28] <[raphael]> :)
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[14:30] <esden> daja77_: you have to taste it .. it is really a superb soup
[14:31] <daja77_> haven't tried any of these soups ..
[14:34] <esden> daja77_: you should change it
[14:37] <daja77_> ok :)
[14:38] <blindcoder> re
[14:38] <daja77_> hi blindcoder 
[14:39] <blindcoder> moin daja77_ 
[14:40] <stf^rocklinux> wb blindcoder
[14:40] <esden> bopp blindcoder 
[14:43] Action: daja77_ looking at esden's photo blog
[14:44] <esden> daja77_: *GG*
[14:45] Action: esden hiding ... being afraid of mind melting critique from daja77_ 
[14:45] <daja77_> in your dreams tonight
[14:45] <esden> wargh!
[14:46] <esden> but to be honest ... comments of every kind are appreciated
[14:46] <daja77_> http://www.fotocommunity.de/pc/pc/mypics/639659/display/4617259
[14:46] Action: daja77_ hides
[14:46] <daja77_> oh there are really pretty ones
[14:46] <esden> wow cool .. 
[14:46] <esden> nice pic
[14:47] <daja77_> :)
[14:47] Nick change: Freak_ -> Freak
[14:49] <Freak> daja77_: you like.. glow!
[14:50] <daja77_> yeah blame that filter
[14:51] <Freak> :)
[15:10] <blindcoder> damn coreutils
[15:11] <stf^rocklinux> what's the deal?
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[15:16] <blindcoder> they've changed src_path to src_name
[15:16] <blindcoder> and more or less rewritten dd
[15:16] <blindcoder> now my show-progress patches don't apply anymore
[15:18] <netrunner> blindcoder: whoŽ?
[15:21] <blindcoder> okay, cp and mv copy progress works again
[15:21] <blindcoder> but the dd patch probably needs a rewrite :(
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[15:23] <netrunner> blindcoder: you mean coreutils?
[15:24] <blindcoder> netrunner: ehm, yes
[15:24] <stf^rocklinux> btw. acl_xattr.patch needs to be rediffed, too :(
[15:24] <stf^rocklinux> I tried to but it doesn't work yet
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[17:08] <blindcoder> re
[17:13] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[17:16] <blindcoder> moin owly
[17:16] <blindcoder> sweet
[17:16] <blindcoder> the crossbuild for x86_64 worked just fine :)
[17:17] <daja77_> the crossbuild for hppa stopped at 1-gcc ;)
[17:19] <esden> hehe ... auto door opener: http://www.autoitscript.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20094&st=15
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[17:21] <daja77_> *gg*
[17:21] <treo> hallo
[17:21] <daja77_> moin treo 
[17:27] <esden> lol: http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/research/recording_head/pr/PerpendicularAnimation.html
[17:27] <daja77_> http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,395667,00.html
[17:29] <esden> daja77_: lol
[17:30] <daja77_> :)
[17:46] <blindcoder> and that, ladies and gentleman, is the climax of flash usefulness
[17:48] <daja77_> *g*
[17:50] <blindcoder> netrunner is a spam-collector: http://bash.pilgerer.org/id/3312
[17:56] <netrunner> ts.
[17:56] <netrunner> hey, this was only yesterday.
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[19:18] <esden> blindcoder: that is called "messy" in german if I am not mistaken
[19:18] <esden> cool .. that bash is on pilgerer! lol ... I know the guys running that site ;)
[19:56] <owl> re
[19:59] <blindcoder> esden: messy?
[19:59] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[20:00] <blindcoder> moin owly
[20:03] <esden> blindcoder: yes someone collecting junk
[20:05] <blindcoder> esden: never heard that word
[20:06] <blindcoder> esden: at least not in german language
[20:10] <owl> blindcoder: O_O you're living behind the moon. "messie" is the correct thing, but long known. 
[20:11] <blindcoder> excuse me for being socially challenged
[20:12] Action: owl throws the "anti-agressionsball" in blindcoder 's direction
[20:12] Action: blindcoder dodges it with a shinai
[20:12] Action: blindcoder cries in pain as his muscles start complaining
[20:13] <blindcoder> damn, and I need to take on 8 people tomorrow...
[20:13] <blindcoder> I'm going to die...
[20:14] <owl> :) see it positive: still you're alone ;)
[20:14] <blindcoder> where's the positive in that?
[20:14] <owl> no 8 people
[20:15] <blindcoder> ...
[20:15] <blindcoder> if tomorrow I can move anything like now, I'm going to be absent with leave
[20:19] <esden> lol ... I am ill!!! 
[20:20] <blindcoder> o_O
[20:20] <blindcoder> ill of mind perhaps
[20:21] <esden> http://www.esden.net/blubb/TWOE.mp3 <- yes I am ill ... someone asked me how my name is pronounced so I created that ;)
[20:21] <blindcoder> o_O
[20:22] <esden> humm ... and I have to say ... I like my voice ;)
[20:25] <esden> lol .. noone is saying something about that ... *LOL*
[20:26] <blindcoder> better not :)
[20:26] <blindcoder> diplomatic silence
[20:29] <esden> :(
[20:29] Action: esden playing with the idea of doing a german or polish potography podcast
[20:29] <esden> dunno
[20:32] <blindcoder> humm
[20:33] <blindcoder> I could do one whining about miwa-senseis training :)
[20:34] <owl> photography in german would be - imho - interesting
[20:34] <esden> blindcoder: you could do one about Kendo .. 
[20:35] <esden> owl: I think so too .. I have not found one yet
[20:35] <blindcoder> *shrug* kendo is hard to learn by words
[20:35] <esden> blindcoder: no .. you have not to teach someone .. but you could talk about events people
[20:35] <owl> hehe. videostream, blindcoder ? :)
[20:35] <esden> what is going on
[20:35] <esden> what ore good resources
[20:35] <esden> good books
[20:35] <esden> good techniques
[20:35] <blindcoder> owl: no fucking way
[20:35] <esden> dunno
[20:36] <esden> there is a lot you can say about it
[20:36] <blindcoder> esden: heh, maybe if I'm a "bit" more qualified :)
[20:36] <esden> or introduce it to people ... what it is
[20:36] <esden> blindcoder: you are always qualified ... 
[20:36] <esden> it is better then no podcast about that
[20:36] <blindcoder> there's really just one good book according to everyone I've spoken to
[20:36] <esden> but do it in german ... 
[20:36] <esden> because your english spelling is bit difficult to understand *
[20:37] <esden> sorry to be so direct
[20:37] <blindcoder> :P
[20:37] <esden> I mean pronounciation not spelling
[20:37] <blindcoder> bah, just open your ears :)
[20:37] Action: esden thinks when he washed his ears the last time ... 
[20:37] <blindcoder> guess I'll stay with writing for now
[20:38] <esden> urgh ... damn .. I knew what I forgot to do the last years
[20:38] <esden> ;)
[20:38] <esden> blindcoder: your german is good though ;)
[20:38] <esden> so do not be so sad ;)
[20:40] <blindcoder> I get told by a Polish that my German is good...
[20:41] <blindcoder> now I _do_ feel sad
[20:41] <owl> lol :)
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[20:45] <esden> rofl!
[20:46] <esden> muahahahaha ... /me falling of his bed
[20:46] <esden> wuarrrrrgh
[20:46] <blindcoder> break a le
[20:46] <blindcoder> g
[20:46] <esden> no
[20:49] <blindcoder> pff
[20:52] Action: esden strokes blindcoder's hair ... "pooor boy"
[20:53] <blindcoder> you like pain, don't you?
[21:07] <esden> ruarrrr ... yes ;)
[21:07] <blindcoder> contrary to popular belief I do _NOT_ like being stroked by boys
[21:07] Action: daja77_ signed the condolence card *sigh*
[21:08] <blindcoder> condolence card?
[21:09] <esden> daja77_: "echt mein beileid ... solche sachen sind wirklich nicht angenehm"
[21:09] <blindcoder> did something happen and pass me by?
[21:09] <esden> blindcoder: yes you missed something ..
[21:10] <blindcoder> should I know?
[21:11] <daja77_> blindcoder: read your queries
[21:13] <daja77_> ah sry, freenode crap
[21:14] Action: blindcoder hands daja77_ the keepnick.pl
[21:18] <blindcoder> *yawns*
[21:19] Action: blindcoder is afraid of tomorrow
[21:19] <esden> blindcoder: ???
[21:20] <blindcoder> so many people, so much kendo, so many fights and so much "muskelkater" :(
[21:22] <esden> humm ... admit it ... you like it ... deep in your heart
[21:22] <blindcoder> that's not the point I'm trying to amke here!
[21:22] <esden> then what is your point?
[21:22] <owl> the muskelkater
[21:23] <blindcoder> I'm whining about my lack of physical strength
[21:24] <esden> then you have to train more
[21:24] <esden> go to a fittness room or so
[21:25] <blindcoder> no time :(
[21:25] <blindcoder> monday, wednesday and thursday, kendo training
[21:25] <esden> stem some weights
[21:25] <blindcoder> friday nihon kata training
[21:25] <blindcoder> weekend is relaxation
[21:25] <esden> then you have tuesday, friday and weekend for fittness training ;)
[21:25] <esden> erm ... not friday then
[21:26] <blindcoder> well, not that I'm really doing anything on weekends
[21:28] <esden> so ... what is the problem?
[21:28] <blindcoder> lazyness?
[21:30] <blindcoder> well, call it additional lack of mental strength
[21:30] Nick change: daja77_ -> daja77
[21:32] <daja77> esden: do you want to talk to that girl that shot the pic of me?
[21:51] <blindcoder> "Relationships are hard. It's like a full-time job, and we should treat 
[21:51] <blindcoder> it like one. If your boyfriend or girlfriend wants to leave you, they 
[21:51] <blindcoder> should give you two weeks' notice. There should beseverance pay, and 
[21:51] <blindcoder> before they leave you, they should have to find you a temp."
[21:51] <blindcoder>     --Bob Ettinger
[21:54] <owl> how true. 
[21:54] <blindcoder> "USA Today has come out with a new survey: Apparently three out of four people make up 75 percent of the population."
[21:54] <blindcoder>    --David Letterman
[21:54] <blindcoder> sounds like something the 'merkins would come up with...
[21:55] <daja77> aaah yes
[21:57] <blindcoder> anyway, naptime
[21:57] <blindcoder> bye
[22:11] <treo> bye
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[22:51] <esden> daja77: not now ... no time ...
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[22:52] <daja77> esden: ok tell me
[22:52] <esden> daja77: sure
[22:53] <netrunner> daja77: playing the coupler? :)
[22:53] <daja77> not really :)
[22:54] <esden> netrunner: I do not need one ... I just yesterday "korb gegeben" to a potential girlfriend ;)
[22:54] <esden> I have no time for girls ;)
[22:54] <daja77> she already got one anyway
[22:55] <netrunner> esden: I also had to do this this month ... unfortunately ... these russian girls are too attractive :)
[22:55] <daja77> :D
[22:57] <esden> there is a nice joke: "Ein informatiker geht die strasse entlang und sieht einen frosch an der strassenseite... der frosch spricht zu ihm "Hallo fremder ich bin eine prinzessin kuess mich und ich verwandle mich zurueck" der informatiker nimmt den frosch und steckt in seite jackentasche. Alse er weiter geht wird hoert er wieder aus seiner tasche "fremder warum willst mich nicht kuessen ich bin echt eine huebsche prinzessin" der informatiker ni
[22:57] <daja77> i know this one
[22:57] <stf^rocklinux> me too ^^ it's fun
[22:57] <esden> netrunner: the same with polish girls
[22:58] <netrunner> esden: yeah ... one of mine finally got married now as you know :)
[22:59] Action: netrunner considering getting arabian citicenship to be able to have muti-woman :)
[23:00] <daja77> you'd have to convert to islam too
[23:01] <stf^rocklinux> someone once said the punishment for bigamy is two wifes ^^
[23:01] <netrunner> hehe:)
[23:23] Action: netrunner going for a walk ... -22 C
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[23:48] <netrunner> rebrrr. 
[23:49] <daja77> :)
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[23:52] <owl> wb netrunner . was it cold? :)
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