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[03:44] <leonel> is this channel for  rocksclusters ?
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[07:08] <blindcoder> YAY! I now have an iris scan of esdens eye
[07:21] <esden> rofl
[07:21] <esden> have fun with it :P
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[08:17] <blindcoder> yeah, I will encrypt my harddisk with it :)
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[09:17] <owl> moin
[10:29] <esden> blindcoder: cool ... then I can access your disk whenever I want to ... it is still my iris ... ;)
[10:32] <netrunner> blindcoder: which behaviour do you mean? that it starts udevd?
[10:33] Action: netrunner has some problems here, no entries in /dev/pts/ ... konsole does not work.
[10:48] <netrunner> the rockinitrd does not boot at all ...
[10:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes
[10:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: you need to mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
[10:58] <blindcoder> well, last time I checked this morning I was booting my laptop with it
[11:06] <netrunner> blindcoder: according to mount it is already there ...
[11:06] <netrunner> blindcoder: as well as 8 times ramfs on /dev ???
[11:08] <blindcoder> huh?
[11:09] <blindcoder> sounds like a problem in your initscripts
[11:17] <esden> woot ... zieiss releasing nikon lenses!!! *jumparound*
[11:19] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:19] <blindcoder> anyway, lunchtime
[11:22] <esden> I need money!!! A lot of money!
[11:23] <esden> blindcoder: bon apetitt ;)
[11:24] <netrunner> ah, stupid initscript
[11:27] <netrunner> /dev/.udevdb is now called /dev/.udev/db
[11:27] Action: netrunner barfs on udef
[11:27] <netrunner> v
[11:54] <blindcoder> I remember a patch handling that...
[11:54] <blindcoder> netrunner: stand in line like everyone else!
[12:01] <netrunner> how would entries in /dev/pts be created?
[12:02] <blindcoder> by mounting devpts on it
[12:02] <blindcoder> 10:59 < blindcoder> netrunner: you need to mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
[12:04] <netrunner> blindcoder: it is mounted. but it is empty.
[12:05] <blindcoder> then it has been overmounted by your 8 ramfs
[12:05] <netrunner> brrr cold here.
[12:06] <netrunner> ok. after having copied qemu-0.8.0-0.gem to here I will reboot with fixed /etc/initscript and retry.
[12:07] <daja77_> coldrunner ;)
[12:07] <daja77_> you got a build for it?
[12:07] <netrunner> yup
[12:07] <daja77_> it does not work with gcc4
[12:08] <netrunner> daja77_: I do not use such fancy new technology :)
[12:09] <netrunner> parameters passed to /sbin/init:
[12:09] <daja77_> gcc34 segafaultet on it ;)
[12:09] <netrunner> Usage: init 0123456SsQqAaBbCcUu
[12:09] <blindcoder> humm
[12:09] <blindcoder> netrunner: which rockinitrd patches have you applied?
[12:09] <netrunner> VFS: cannot open root device "hda4" or unknown block (3,4)
[12:10] <netrunner> Please append ... panic
[12:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: all but the one making it default everywhere.
[12:10] <blindcoder> humm
[12:10] <blindcoder> I don't support those :)
[12:11] <blindcoder> please contact your patcher *hangup*
[12:11] <blindcoder> let me check
[12:12] <netrunner> oh, maybe I should use root=/dev/ram0
[12:12] <blindcoder> oh
[12:12] <netrunner> ... when I read description of 2006010920315712707 ...
[12:12] <blindcoder> I suddenly remember that I always use 2 3 4 or 5 as kernel parameters
[12:13] <blindcoder> which will be passed to init as parameters
[12:13] <blindcoder> so linuxrc gets "linuxrc 5" and passes that 5 to /sbin/init
[12:13] <blindcoder> but really
[12:13] <blindcoder> it should work anyway
[12:13] <blindcoder> init should then get the default runlevel from /etc/inittab
[12:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: you must start init with parameter I guess
[12:14] <blindcoder> no
[12:14] <netrunner> wasn't there something about init not being started as first process and not having pid 0
[12:14] <blindcoder> not necessarily
[12:14] <blindcoder> that's why init is exec'd
[12:14] <blindcoder> so it has pid 1
[12:15] <blindcoder> which is the correct one
[12:16] Action: netrunner trying a reboot
[12:29] <netrunner> ok. with real_root it would even work using just /dev/hda4.
[12:29] <netrunner> just need to disable fscking
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[13:08] <[raphael]> hi *
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[14:18] <blindcoder> netrunner: why disable fscking?
[14:27] <blindcoder> okay, so what's rene's problem THIS TIME?
[14:28] <stf^rocklinux> dunno, missing credits?
[14:31] <blindcoder> SCNR: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006011712505803584
[14:35] <daja77_> rene's problem?
[14:35] <blindcoder> daja77_: see that patch in submaster...
[14:36] <blindcoder> he's letting his ego get the better of him again
[14:47] <owl> do you think the creative commons attribution-sharealike 2.0 germany license is ok for a docu?
[14:47] <blindcoder> owl: maybe add no-derivs
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[14:47] <owl> no-derivs?
[14:47] <blindcoder> no derivatives
[14:48] <blindcoder> but by-sa is fine
[14:48] <owl> so no "bearbeitung"?
[14:48] <blindcoder> no changing and claiming it as ones own
[14:48] <blindcoder> rockdoc is/was by-sa-2.0
[14:48] <owl> hmm. i have "namensnennungs"
[14:48] <owl> in it, but you are allowed to change it... : http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/de/
[14:49] <owl> and you have to share it with same "bedingungen"
[14:49] <blindcoder> yes, that's the by-sa part :)
[14:49] <owl> hehe. so it's ok?
[14:49] <blindcoder> having nd in a wiki would be quite... problematic :)
[14:49] <owl> because i want to allow people to change parts of the docu if they want to make better solutions
[14:50] <owl> yeah. in a doc working with different people (hopefully) alos ;)
[14:52] <owl> rofl. someone (no some people) were searching for "lachtraenen" and stumbled over my weblog O_O
[14:52] <blindcoder> o_O
[14:53] <owl> yes :)
[14:53] <netrunner> do I need to comment this?
[14:53] <owl> yes ;)
[14:54] <netrunner> udevd stops accepting messages from udevsend anyway as soon as it receives the first message over netlink. so emptying the /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug just avoids duplicate events.
[14:55] <blindcoder> sounds sane
[14:56] <netrunner> this I knew even before he mentioned it. 
[14:57] <netrunner> my question to rxr was about his hotplug++ (for which I would give him credit in form of an [A] tag ;) ... unfortunately he is not able to discuss objective and stick to the topic.
[14:59] <blindcoder> tell news...
[14:59] <blindcoder> we shouldn't be too hard on him, he really needs the PR
[15:11] <netrunner> sure. nobody's perfect, and he's just a bit neurotic :)
[15:12] <netrunner> no, choleric I mean.
[15:12] <netrunner> stupid latin words :)
[15:12] <netrunner> you know what I mean.
[15:14] <netrunner> http://seclists.org/lists/linux-kernel/2006/Jan/1298.html
[15:29] <[raphael]> There is a $libdir variable that can be used in *.conf files, what is the equivalent for the share directory?
[15:30] <stf^rocklinux> it's datadir
[15:31] <stf^rocklinux> see Documentation/Developers/PKG-BUILD-VARS
[15:35] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: thanks!
[15:35] <stf^rocklinux> pleasure
[15:54] <blindcoder> [raphael]: or http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Creating_Packages#controlling_the_automations
[16:09] <[raphael]> so... does network profile autodetection somehow work - for example the link state of eth0 is no carrier, then use profile so and so, else use dhcp,...
[16:09] <blindcoder> no
[16:09] <[raphael]> ok, so no way to work around dhcp discovery during startup
[16:10] <blindcoder> you can set up two profiles and define the one without dhcp as default
[16:10] <blindcoder> though network setup is no fun at all right now :(
[17:11] <[raphael]> any idea why dri is not working despite /dev/dri/card0 and /dev/misc/agpgart exist? The only error message I get in xorg.log is that DRI setup failed, but no explaination whatsoever
[17:12] <stf^rocklinux> hm
[17:12] <[raphael]> I already tried to set permissions to 666 for all these files, but no luck
[17:12] <[raphael]> (and anyway: DRI doesn't work for root either)
[17:12] <[raphael]> that's with kernel 2.4
[17:12] <[raphael]> 2.4.31-rock
[17:12] <[raphael]> with an i830M board
[17:12] <stf^rocklinux> I had a problem using hardware acceleration with the ATI proprietary driver
[17:13] <stf^rocklinux> it was fixed by mount tmpfs on /dev/shm instead of ramfs, no idea if it's related to your problem...
[17:13] <[raphael]> ah... yes, the i830M uses shm
[17:13] <[raphael]> I'll check it out
[17:15] <stf^rocklinux> without the fix, 3d apps (e.g. glxgears) would run very slow
[17:16] <[raphael]> yes, and I use glxinfo to check whether DRI is really enabled, and it always tells me No
[17:16] <[raphael]> :(
[17:16] <[raphael]> DRI is one of the main reasons for using Linux on my laptop at all
[17:16] <[raphael]> since that's "slower" on FreeBSD
[17:17] <stf^rocklinux> maybe there's a hint in the respective docs to your graphics driver? The /dev/shm problem was mentioned in the Ati docs...
[17:18] <[raphael]> it is not mentioned in man i810
[17:19] <[raphael]> I'm not sure whether Intel itself has some more docs on this
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[17:20] <stf^rocklinux> color depth is set to 16 or 24?
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[17:22] <[raphael]>   (EE) I810(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
[17:23] <stf^rocklinux> anything notable in the output of 'dmesg' ?
[17:26] <[raphael]>  [drm] Initialized i810 1.2.1 20020211 on minor 0
[17:26] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: might it be possible that X got compiled against kernel 2.6 and now I'm running 2.4 ?
[17:26] <[raphael]> regarding the drm modules?
[17:29] <stf^rocklinux> all progs are compiled against 2.6 headers as long as not specified otherwise in Config
[17:30] <stf^rocklinux> don't know if this might cause errors with 2.4 drm modules...
[17:30] <daja77_> aaargh what the hell is wrong with the gcc4 fortran frontend
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