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[08:32] <owl> moin
[08:49] <blindcoder> moin
[08:50] <ubijtsa> *yawn*
[08:50] <blindcoder> indeed
[08:51] <blindcoder> I should have been to work an hour ago
[08:51] <blindcoder> but I totally overslept
[08:51] Action: ubijtsa just arrived in to work
[08:51] <ubijtsa> 56 miles from home
[08:51] <blindcoder> I'm still having breakfast :)
[08:51] <ubijtsa> :)
[08:52] <blindcoder> I used to wark 100 km from home
[08:52] <blindcoder> for four years
[08:52] <ubijtsa> dunno how you could stand to travel that distance for 4 years
[08:52] <blindcoder> well, job training, didn't have enough money to move out from my parents
[08:54] <ubijtsa> there is that I guess
[08:54] <ubijtsa> I am getting a perl course later this month
[08:55] <blindcoder> nice
[08:55] <blindcoder> perl is a nice language for implementing stuff quickly
[08:55] <ubijtsa> yeah.. nothing special tho.. just hope the course will teach me something I don't already know
[08:57] <blindcoder> good luck :)
[08:58] <ubijtsa> :)
[08:58] <ubijtsa> ta
[09:00] <blindcoder> okay, the coffee is empty and I should head to work now
[09:00] <blindcoder> brb
[09:06] <esden> moin
[09:35] <blindcoder> back
[09:36] <owl> hi esden , blindcoder 
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[09:40] <blindcoder> moin owly
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[16:05] <demian> hi
[16:05] <blindcoder> moin
[16:05] <stf^rocklinux> hi demian
[16:05] <blindcoder> so
[16:05] <blindcoder> what am I doing wrong if "GPGME was compiled without support for OpenPGP"?
[16:05] <blindcoder> and how do I fix it?
[16:06] <demian> :)
[16:07] <blindcoder> do I have to rebuild kmail
[16:07] <blindcoder> ?
[16:09] <stf^rocklinux> read configure and try to find out what the check does
[16:09] <blindcoder>         GnuPG path:    /usr/bin/gpg
[16:09] <blindcoder>         GnuPG version: 1.4.0, min. 1.2.2
[16:09] <blindcoder> it finds the program
[16:11] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:11] <blindcoder> I'm missing pth and libgcrypt
[16:12] <blindcoder> okay...
[16:13] <blindcoder> I wonder why using gpg is so fscking difficult with kmail (running daemons, editing your gpg configuration) and "just works" with mutt
[16:15] <stf^rocklinux> which daemons?
[16:15] <daja77_> because it does more than simple gpg iirc
[16:18] <blindcoder> gpg-agent --daemon
[16:18] <blindcoder> daja77_: but I just want to encrypt my mail...
[16:18] <blindcoder> daja77_: with mozilla, it's just installing the enigmail plugin
[16:19] <blindcoder> daja77_: with mutt it's just installing gpg and sourcing a config file in muttrc
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[16:19] <blindcoder> which just adjusts some mutt setting
[16:20] <blindcoder> if THAT (http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html) is what it takes to get mail encryption working in one of the most popular desktop environments on linux systems it's no wonder that nearly no one is using it!
[16:20] <daja77_> blindcoder: crystal ships everything you need, no?
[16:22] <blindcoder> daja77_: not the one I have here
[16:22] <blindcoder> daja77_: and it probably doesn't start gpg-agent --daemon, does it?
[16:22] <daja77_> perhaps not
[16:23] <blindcoder> and it doesn't adjust my ~/.gnupg/gpg.con
[16:23] <blindcoder> f
[16:23] <daja77_> but iirc you only need the daemon if don't want to insert the passphrase all the time, the encryption works anyway
[16:23] <blindcoder> aah
[16:23] <blindcoder> at least something
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[16:24] <blindcoder> still doesn't work
[16:25] <daja77_> you don't even need all of this stuff for basic support, at least it does for me
[16:25] <blindcoder> do I need to recompile kmail?
[16:25] <blindcoder> well, I didn't have gpgme on my system
[16:25] <daja77_> hm
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[16:26] <blindcoder> daja77_: any idea?
[16:26] <daja77_> hm atm no
[16:27] <blindcoder> hmpf
[16:27] <daja77_> i don't even know what is not working exactly
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[16:27] <daja77_> ah that reminds me .. thx
[16:27] <blindcoder> if I click on "rescan" in kmail -> settings -> security
[16:27] <blindcoder> it says gpgme is compiled without openpgp support
[16:28] <daja77_> hm
[16:28] <stf^rocklinux> if gpgme was not available at build time, then kmail is most probably not built with cryptography support at all
[16:29] <stf^rocklinux> then you'd have to rebuild kmail
[16:29] <stf^rocklinux> if gpgme was available, then you'd probably only have to rebuild gpgme with openpgp support
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[16:30] <blindcoder> damn :(
[16:30] <stf^rocklinux> is rebuilding gpgme a problem? If not, I'd try this first.
[16:30] <blindcoder> I did
[16:30] <blindcoder> twice
[16:38] <stf^rocklinux> hm, I get the same error message on rescan here...
[16:39] <blindcoder> well, and #kde is as responsive as I expected it to be
[16:39] <stf^rocklinux> scan for OpenPGP failed, but S/MIME (gpgsm) is found in the list of available backends
[16:40] <stf^rocklinux> daja, what does your kmail say? PGP support works on your machine, right?
[16:40] <daja77_> my kmail is atm home
[16:41] <stf^rocklinux> ok
[16:48] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: can you choose S/MIME (gpgsm) instead of OpenPGP in the list of available backends?
[16:51] <blindcoder> no
[16:51] <blindcoder> I also don't have gpgsm, what package is that?
[16:51] <stf^rocklinux> it's part of gnupg2
[16:52] <blindcoder> building...
[16:52] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: how is your gcc4 progress?
[16:52] <stf^rocklinux> it's an alternative to openpgp, which we don't have in trunk btw.
[16:52] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: so it wouldn't work anyway?
[16:52] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: I did a full generic build with and without gcc4 as default compiler
[16:53] <daja77_> how many errors?
[16:53] <stf^rocklinux> about 60 additional failed packages in the gcc4 build
[16:53] <daja77_> hm had about 130
[16:54] <daja77_> some are really stupid
[16:55] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: gnupg2 should act as a drop-in replacment to openpgp, if that's what you mean
[16:56] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: okay, built gnupg2 and rebuit gpgme, still fails
[16:56] <blindcoder> seems I need to rebuild kdepim after all :(
[16:57] <esden> bopp
[16:59] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: no gpgsm in the list?
[17:00] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: gpgme finds it, but kmail still resists
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GPGME v1.0.3 has been configured as follows:
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GnuPG path:    /usr/bin/gpg
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GnuPG version: 1.4.0, min. 1.2.2
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GpgSM path:    /usr/bin/gpgsm
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GpgSM version: 1.9.19, min. 1.9.6
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GPGME Pthread: yes
[17:00] <blindcoder>         GPGME Pth:     yes
[17:00] <blindcoder> and #kde is even less helpful than I expected
[17:01] <stf^rocklinux> how do you test gpg functionality? I can't find a simple test-case
[17:01] <blindcoder> by clicking on rescan?
[17:01] <stf^rocklinux> in kmail of course
[17:01] <blindcoder> yes, by clicking "rescan"
[17:01] <daja77_> hm write an encryptet mail ..
[17:03] <stf^rocklinux> ah, ok here kmail complains about gpgme being not compiled with openpgp support, but since I can check gpgsm in the list, it's probably not a problem.
[17:12] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:12] <blindcoder> I wontder
[17:12] <blindcoder> I have kde 3.4.2 installed
[17:12] <blindcoder> but ROCK is already at 3.5.0
[17:13] <blindcoder> is it possible to have a kde* 3.4.2 and kdepim 3.5.0?
[17:13] <daja77_> can't tell
[17:13] <blindcoder> *sigh*
[17:13] <daja77_> it might work and it might not
[17:13] <blindcoder> try the "very helpful" channel once more
[17:13] <daja77_> it works to have 3.4.1 and 3.4.3 packages mixed up
[17:14] <blindcoder> yeah, but that's just a patch level
[17:15] <daja77_> you see
[17:16] <blindcoder> okay, #kde is just as responsive as before and I'm getting quite pissed now
[17:16] Action: daja77_ waiting for the blog rant
[17:16] <blindcoder> I would write one, but konqueror crashed
[17:16] <daja77_> firefox?
[17:17] <blindcoder> yeah, probabyy
[17:17] <blindcoder> humm
[17:17] <blindcoder> daja77_: could you join #kde and look if you see my lines?
[17:17] <stf^rocklinux> maybe adding an openpgp package and rebuilding gpgme helps...
[18:03] <SMP> w000t
[18:03] <SMP> "After more than one year of active development, GnomeMeeting has reborn on the form of Ekiga. Ekiga is a SIP and H.323 application, supporting audio and video, and is the successor of GnomeMeeting. The first BETA release is available on http://www.ekiga.org."
[18:04] <daja77_> nice
[18:05] <th> i'd love to have a netmeeting client that supports application sharing for linux
[18:06] Action: SMP waves over to th
[18:07] <th> hey SMP 
[18:07] Action: daja77_ waves to SMP and th
[18:09] <th> hey daja77_ 
[18:09] <SMP> I finished exams yesterday. so I can tackle ROCK stuff, esp. Gnome 2.12, again ...
[18:10] <SMP> at least, if I can drag myself away from the Asterisk test-adventure ... telephony routing is just too much fun ;-)
[18:10] <SMP> s,test-,text,
[18:19] <th> SMP: you have isdn already?
[18:20] <daja77_> SMP for gnome, go go go! ;)
[18:20] <SMP> you mean, working with *? no. I've built a and I'll try booting it soon -- then I'll try to sort it out with capi-cm first.
[18:23] <SMP> haven't even looked at that since .. August or so
[18:24] <th> capi-cm?
[18:24] <th> chan_misdn...
[18:24] <th> we got call deflection working...
[18:28] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: I removed gnupg, gnupg2 and gpgme from my system, and rebuild gnupg + gpgme, and now encryption in kmail works :)
[18:29] <stf^rocklinux> I also build openldap before gnupg + gpgme (openldap was not installed before)
[18:29] <stf^rocklinux> and I built dirmngr, which is not in trunk yet
[18:31] <SMP> th: which kernel should one use then? what versions of misdn code?
[18:32] <th> SMP: i think you can use the 0.3 tree
[18:32] <th> svn checkout
[18:32] <th> and there are scripts in there to checkout misdn stuff
[18:32] <th> and you SHOULD use these version
[18:32] <th> although you can do it manually
[18:33] <SMP> does it work with my B1? does it have echo cancellation?
[18:45] <th> it has echo cancellation
[18:45] <th> i dont know about the b
[18:45] <th> i dont know about the b1
[18:45] <th> but it works with a < 50EUR hfc card
[18:46] <th> and with the more expensive 8x card
[18:48] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: rebuilding kmail did the trick, too
[18:48] <SMP> yeah, I though about getting a hfc card. has the advantage I can use vISDN ;-p
[18:48] <blindcoder> okay, so it _is_ possible to have KDE 3.5.0 and 3.4.2 versions mixed
[18:48] <daja77_> blindcoder: :)
[18:49] <blindcoder> but it seems I still need the gpg-agent
[18:50] <stf^rocklinux> what for?
[18:50] <blindcoder> no idea
[18:50] <blindcoder> but I can't decrypt mail without it
[18:51] <blindcoder> hmm
[18:52] <blindcoder> it displays encrypted mails as an empty mail with an encrypted attachment...
[18:52] <daja77_> hm I could
[18:52] <blindcoder> Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
[18:52] <blindcoder> Reason: Crypto plug-in "openpgp" could not decrypt the data.
[18:52] <blindcoder> Error: Bad passphrase
[18:53] <blindcoder> it didn't even ask me for a passphrase
[18:53] <stf^rocklinux> chances are you need pinentry installed
[18:54] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ mine -q pinentry
[18:54] <blindcoder> pinentry 0.7.2 0
[18:54] <stf^rocklinux> start kmail from a konsole, try again and take a look at output on console, maybe there is an error message there
[18:56] <blindcoder> error: kmail was started
[18:56] <blindcoder> nope
[18:57] <blindcoder> cool, it shows application/pgp as attachment and asks what I want to open it with
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[18:57] <blindcoder> what application
[18:57] <daja77_> .oO (error: kmail was started <- quoted for truth)
[18:57] <blindcoder> but it correctly detects it as PGP encrypted or signed message
[18:58] <[raphael]> are you working on getting PGP encryption working?
[18:58] Action: [raphael] would welcome that
[18:59] <blindcoder> yes
[18:59] <blindcoder> but this fucking piece of crap called kmail is nothing but a goddamn pain in the ass
[19:00] <blindcoder> the devs probaby never ever tried using encryption!
[19:00] <blindcoder> or they perform some mystical raindance in front of their computer before opening an encrypted message
[19:01] <daja77_> they did, I know at least one ;)
[19:02] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/kcrap.jpg
[19:02] <daja77_> you should call it krap ;)
[19:03] <blindcoder> gpgconf: warning: can not open config file /home/blindcoder/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf: No such file or directory
[19:03] <blindcoder> libkleopatra: WARNING: Running 'gpgconf --list-options dirmngr' failed. Operation not permitted, but try that command to see the real output
[19:03] <blindcoder> ...
[19:03] <stf^rocklinux> dirmngr is missing
[19:04] <stf^rocklinux> if have created a package for it, will be in sm in a few minutes
[19:04] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: can you send a patch for it to submaster since you already packaged it?
[19:04] <blindcoder> thanks
[19:04] <stf^rocklinux> btw. dirmngr requires openldap
[19:05] <daja77_> @_@
[19:06] <blindcoder> okay, screw it
[19:06] <blindcoder> I'm gonna keep using mozilla
[19:07] <[raphael]> blindcoder: encryption works with kmail, I'm using it
[19:07] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you just don't compile gpgme with OpenPGP support, you're missing some libraries
[19:09] <[raphael]> or sth different, I didn't look into the details what is missing in crystal
[19:09] <blindcoder> [raphael]: I did
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GPGME v1.0.3 has been configured as follows:
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GnuPG path:    /usr/bin/gpg
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GnuPG version: 1.4.0, min. 1.2.2
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GpgSM path:    /usr/bin/gpgsm
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GpgSM version: 1.9.19, min. 1.9.6
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GPGME Pthread: yes
[19:09] <blindcoder>         GPGME Pth:     yes
[19:09] <[raphael]> aha, so why is it not working?
[19:10] <[raphael]> oh, dirmngr
[19:10] <blindcoder> why do you ask ME?
[19:10] <[raphael]> yes, I know, I'm asking the wrong one...
[19:10] <blindcoder> because KDE is KraP?
[19:10] <blindcoder> mutt just needs gnupg and nothing else
[19:10] <[raphael]> well, OTOH I could look into the kmail source to see what's wrong there
[19:10] <blindcoder> mozilla with enigmail just needs gnupg and nothing else
[19:11] <blindcoder> just this fucking piece of krap needs a metric fuckton of extra stuff
[19:11] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you should complain on #kontact
[19:11] <blindcoder> [raphael]: are they as responsive as #kde?
[19:11] Action: [raphael] goes back to work
[19:12] <blindcoder> because I could just as well talk to my plush tux as to #kde
[19:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: depends, I try to avoid #kde
[19:12] <[raphael]> too many questions there, takes a lot of time
[19:12] <[raphael]> blindcoder: in #kontact they actually do respond
[19:12] <blindcoder> well, obviously I was unwanted there, because the three people that came ten minutes after me were served immediately
[19:13] <[raphael]> blindcoder: ... I just checked #kontact, I don't recognize anyone there, so I don't know how many of them are kmail devs
[19:13] <[raphael]> (kdepim is not my field of work)
[19:13] <blindcoder> I see
[19:13] <blindcoder> well, I think I'll just stick to mozilla
[19:14] <blindcoder> simply for the reason that it works and works easily
[19:15] <daja77_> i think it is the groupware part that makes it more complicated
[19:17] <blindcoder> how does groupware make "| gpg -d" difficult?
[19:18] <daja77_> the whole thing :)
[19:21] <blindcoder> I don't get your point, but forget it
[19:21] <blindcoder> I'm pissed at kmail right now
[19:21] <blindcoder> maybe again in a few releases
[19:23] <daja77_> don't worry
[19:24] <SMP> it used to work jolly fine, though ...
[19:25] <stf^rocklinux> maybe it is a problem that gnupg2 is a core package and gnupg is not
[19:25] <blindcoder> yeah, now it needs a shitload of extra stuff, daemons, changes to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and an additional file in ~/.kde/ that you must create manually
[19:25] <blindcoder> and you have to start the daemon from your ~/.xsession and eval its output because its output is setting an environment variable that is needed to talk to the daemon
[19:25] <stf^rocklinux> after all gnupg2 is a development release 
[19:26] <blindcoder> eval $(gpg--agent --daemon)
[19:52] Action: esden messing around with pallas apache ... only for blindcoder's information ;)
[19:53] <blindcoder> esden: have fun, but remember to pick up the pieces when you crash it
[19:53] <esden> blindcoder: ack ... will do
[19:56] <th> SMP: in any case you need the new mqueue branch of misdn for the 0.3.0 tree to work.
[19:56] <th> SMP: i have this in production already
[20:05] <stf^rocklinux> in case somebody still cares: kmail 3.4.3 here signs and encrypts messages and checks signatures
[20:06] <stf^rocklinux> but for some reason it does not ask for a passphrase when decrypting, so it fails with the error "wrong passprhase"
[20:06] <stf^rocklinux> encrypted mails can be decrypted with e.g. Kgpg or gpg, though
[20:11] <SMP> kgpg can decrypt gpg/mime?
[20:12] <stf^rocklinux> don't know, I currently have only the OpenPGP backend available
[20:12] <stf^rocklinux> in kmail
[20:13] <SMP> what do you mean OpenPGP backend? do the mails have mime-detached signatures or is it just plain ------BEGIN PGP MESSAGE------ ...?
[20:14] <stf^rocklinux> in kmail: Settings -> Security -> Crypto-Modules
[20:14] <stf^rocklinux> there's a list of available gpgme backends
[20:17] <stf^rocklinux> mails contain -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
[20:18] <stf^rocklinux> the encrypted part of a mail is an attachment named msg.asc containing the PGP MESSAGE
[20:19] <SMP> I don't think that method actually need all that Ägypten magic, just pipes the mail through gpg
[20:20] <stf^rocklinux> yes, but kmail doesn't ask for any passprhase, that's the problem
[20:20] <blindcoder> my words exactly
[20:20] <blindcoder> but Krap is doing everything differently and nothing better I think
[20:21] <stf^rocklinux> actually, it ask's for a passphrase when signing mails...
[20:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: reading you on pilgerer is kinda funny. especially when knowing the context :)
[20:41] <stf^rocklinux> ok, i've followed instructions at http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html and decryption works now 
[20:41] <stf^rocklinux> without gpg-agent running, kmail won't ask for a passphrase :P
[20:41] <stf^rocklinux> when decrypting
[20:44] <blindcoder> I don't even want to THINK about that
[20:45] <stf^rocklinux> it's obviously a bug
[20:45] <blindcoder> no, it's a feature since it's documented
[20:47] <stf^rocklinux> the howto refers only to OpenPGP/MIME, but the bug appears with inline PGP also
[20:48] <blindcoder> okay
[20:48] <stf^rocklinux> and kmail asks for passphrases when signing mails even without gpg-agent, so there's no reason to do otherwise when decrypting
[20:51] <[raphael]> now.... can you wind that up and send either me or the kmail people a bug report? If you know what's wrong - if there is something wrong
[20:52] <blindcoder> [raphael]: the very thing that kmail needs a daemon running which must be started from .xsession and whose output must be eval'd is _WRONG_
[20:52] <blindcoder> but I should really stop
[20:52] <blindcoder> I'm just flaming around now
[20:56] <[raphael]> blindcoder: kmail also works without the daemon, it just tells you that you have to enter the passphrase for every email you send
[20:56] <[raphael]> given that the setup is correct, if kmail fails to correctly detect gpg, then that is a bug, not that it needs a daemon
[20:56] <[raphael]> (which it doesn't need)
[20:57] <[raphael]> it probably isn't even documented how to set it up without a daemon, but you can even "turn" the option on and of in the crypto modules - the option being whether to use gpg-agent or not
[20:57] <stf^rocklinux> raphael, daja: do you have a setup where kmail decryption is working without gpg-agent?
[20:57] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I had one, on my laptop
[20:57] <[raphael]> But I installed ROCK on it
[20:58] <[raphael]> so now I have a setup that doesn't use a daemon and also doesn't work
[20:58] <stf^rocklinux> did you test it doesn't work?
[20:58] <[raphael]> the other one was FreeBSD, I was too lazy to set up the daemon, so it just told me that I need to enter the password every time
[20:59] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I cannot even select the GPG encryption - I'll check whether a signed mail can be read
[21:00] <blindcoder> well, with current crystal it _should_ work... but it also _should_ work with my currnet installation
[21:01] <stf^rocklinux> is there a kmail/kdepim specific channel?
[21:02] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: #kontact
[21:02] <[raphael]> on this very server
[21:07] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: well, kmail doesn't let me read encrypted mails, of course
[21:08] <[raphael]> and in the crypto options I can't select OpenPGP support (for GPGME) because it tells me (when I click "Einlesen") that GPGME was compiled without OpenGPG support, and that "might" be a wrong
[21:09] <blindcoder> well, gpgme detects gnupg here
[21:09] <blindcoder> and kmail detects gnupg support in gpgme
[21:09] <blindcoder> but then doesn't use it
[21:09] <blindcoder> though that just _might_ be because kdepim is 3.5.0 and everything else is 3.4.2
[21:09] <[raphael]> it doesn't here (doesn't detect it)
[21:10] <[raphael]> blindcoder: I do NOT have any gpg binary
[21:11] <[raphael]> so I guess kmail is telling me the correct thing: there is no gpg installed
[21:11] <blindcoder> [raphael]: mine -q gnupg
[21:11] <[raphael]> anyway, I shouldn't even be in front of my computer...
[21:11] <blindcoder> neither should I
[21:11] <blindcoder> I should be out having fun
[21:11] <blindcoder> but I'm too lazy to get off my seat
[21:11] <[raphael]> blindcoder: no, it's not installed
[21:11] <[raphael]> and which package is it?
[21:12] <blindcoder> gnupg :)
[21:12] <[raphael]> oh, yes, sure :)
[21:13] <[raphael]> and then I'll rebuild gpgme
[21:13] <stf^rocklinux> afaics the OpenPGP backend is in gnupg and the S/MIME in gnupg2 (which is actually a development release) 
[21:13] <[raphael]> and then it's supposed to work
[21:13] <blindcoder> [raphael]: well, that's te setup I have here
[21:13] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: that might be very correct, because kmail DOES tell me it has S/MIME support
[21:14] <[raphael]> (with the gpgme thing)
[21:14] <[raphael]> It works on NetBSD, with the agent and all, OpenGPG that is
[21:14] <[raphael]> well, I won't finish all this today, I really need to do some other stuff
[21:15] <stf^rocklinux> when the rebuild is done both backends should available, but decryption will probably not work without a running gpg-agent
[21:30] Action: [raphael] finished building gnupg, now rebuilding gpgme
[21:36] <stf^rocklinux> the bug is filed: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83463 
[21:37] <stf^rocklinux> but it was marked as invalid because it was for an old version and the editors excepted the bug reporter to have gpg-agent running...
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[21:39] <blindcoder> sooo
[21:39] <blindcoder> it won't be fixed because it conflicts with their worldview, right?
[21:39] <stf^rocklinux> I'll write a new bug report :)
[21:39] <stf^rocklinux> no, the main reason to put this of was because gpg support was completely rewritten in the meantime
[21:40] <stf^rocklinux> afaics
[21:40] <blindcoder> so
[21:40] <blindcoder> I'm running 3.5.0 and _nothing_ works
[21:40] <blindcoder> which clearly supports my view on "rewrite from scratch"
[21:40] <[raphael]> blindcoder: you shouldn't mix kde versions
[21:41] <blindcoder> [raphael]: yes, and that's why I'm not gonna bitch about this in every kde channel known to mankintd
[21:41] <blindcoder> sorry, I'm in a foul mood toda
[21:41] <blindcoder> y
[21:42] <blindcoder> which is only partly based on me being unable to get encryption going in kmail
[21:43] <stf^rocklinux> everything except decryption works here, with the OpenPGP backend
[21:43] <stf^rocklinux> for S/MIME, I can't even create a pair of keys
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> user@firefox:/usr/src/ROCK-TRUNK$ gpgsm --gen-key
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: NOTE: THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT VERSION!
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: It is only intended for test purposes and should NOT be
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: used in a production environment or with production keys!
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> gpgsm: this function is not yet available from the commandline
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> :S
[21:45] <blindcoder> today is definately not my day
[21:45] <[raphael]> blindcoder: welcome to the club
[21:46] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: do you have pinentry installed?
[21:47] <stf^rocklinux> yes, but afaik it's only needed for the certificate manager
[21:47] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: no, kmail itself uses it as well
[21:47] <[raphael]> at least in kde 3.5.0
[21:51] <[raphael]> OpenGPG decryption is functional
[21:51] <[raphael]> and so is S/MIME decryption
[21:51] <[raphael]> I'll submit a patch to sm tomorrow
[21:51] <stf^rocklinux> so pinentry has to be a CORE package
[21:52] <[raphael]> note to myself: flag gnupg, pinentry as CORE
[21:52] <stf^rocklinux> as well as gnupg, if we want encryption support for kmail in Crystal targets
[21:52] <stf^rocklinux> :-)
[21:53] <[raphael]> yes, I hope that is all :)
[21:53] <stf^rocklinux> that should leave only decryption non-working
[21:53] <[raphael]> yes, these two, that is it, I don't have anything else OpenGPG related in /var/adm/logs, so the rest is already in crystal (CORE)
[21:54] <blindcoder> so, anyone have an idea what to do on a forced vacation friday?
[21:54] <stf^rocklinux> do what you feel like?
[21:57] <blindcoder> binge drinking
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[22:03] <stf^rocklinux> well, that's already an option
[22:04] <stf^rocklinux> or read a book, plant a tree, go to the theatre, write a letter, go out with friends, the options are really endless...
[22:04] <blindcoder> Einen Baum faellen, ein Kind verpruegeln und ein Haus abreissen.
[22:05] <blindcoder> well... no friends in Berlin
[22:05] <blindcoder> book, yeah I wanted to buy the geisha book.
[22:05] <stf^rocklinux> is that the list of things a man should do in his live? ^^
[22:05] <blindcoder> yes :)
[22:05] Action: owl offers a part of her brain
[22:06] <stf^rocklinux> oh, man, I'm way behind the schedule
[22:06] <blindcoder> well, I have planted the tree and I'll be inheriting a house
[22:06] <blindcoder> so all that's left is find some whore
[22:06] <owl> O_o
[22:06] <blindcoder> owl: what?
[22:06] <owl> blindcoder: you sound a "bit" depressed. 
[22:07] <owl> sigh. i am *sooooo* anxious. 
[22:08] <blindcoder> owl: forced vacation day tomorrow, being used as a meat shield by your boss against his boss
[22:08] <blindcoder> being told that the closest person to a friend will leave the city in one to two months
[22:08] <blindcoder> and having realized that the beer you have has gone bad
[22:08] <blindcoder> there are days when you should just stay in bed
[22:08] <owl> blindcoder: meat shield? in what wy?
[22:09] <blindcoder> oh, there's this little vendetta my boss's boss has
[22:09] <owl> blindcoder: those days i have every time i am seeing this strange sexually transmitted disease, called php
[22:10] <blindcoder> and me and the two people in the same room as I am are used as meat-shields in said vendetta
[22:10] <owl> blindcoder: then tell him, that he's an idiot and he has to fight his own war
[22:10] <blindcoder> heh
[22:10] <blindcoder> that'd be politically problematic...
[22:10] <owl> why? :)
[22:10] <owl> fear of being kicked off ?
[22:11] <blindcoder> it probably wouldn't even be the worst thing
[22:11] <blindcoder> I could move back to IN
[22:11] <owl> might you should try a more diplomatic way...
[22:11] <blindcoder> but I don't want to
[22:11] <owl> SIGH.
[22:12] <owl> might i kick you now?
[22:12] <owl> why don't you want? 
[22:12] <blindcoder> yeah, that's what the three of us are planning to do
[22:12] <blindcoder> owl: no
[22:12] <blindcoder> owl: problem with going back to IN is that I'd have to move back in with my parents
[22:12] <blindcoder> and THAT's what I don't want to
[22:13] <blindcoder> just because
[22:13] <owl> blindcoder: sigh. ok. then you can't say "i dont want", but "i won't say because of.."
[22:13] <owl> (explaining men communication forms is like talking to a wall)
[22:14] <blindcoder> I prefer talking to my plush tux
[22:14] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: am I right that both your boss and your boss's boss could get you fired?
[22:14] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yupp, that makes this so damn exciting
[22:15] <owl> blindcoder: nah, it has too much brain :)
[22:15] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: that's the problem being an "externer mitarbeiter"
[22:16] <owl> blindcoder: your boss should not have a problem if you tell him something like "dear mr. blah, i just want to state that we (our team) feel abused by you and so we ask to not abuse us anymore"
[22:17] <owl> blindcoder: nah, not just as external company-member
[22:17] <stf^rocklinux> So as far as possible the only reasonable attitude to this little giant's fight seems to be to say "Just leave me out of this and let me do my work"? (In a very polite, almost obsequious way, of course)
[22:17] <stf^rocklinux> Or maybe the old "I'm busy right now, may I call you back?" trick works
[22:18] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yeah, but it's a vendetta predating my arrival so I'm just gonna suck it and wait
[22:18] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: thing is this
[22:18] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: what did you mean with decryption not working?
[22:18] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: GPG decryption works fine here
[22:18] <[raphael]> S/MIME decryption as well
[22:18] <blindcoder> BB goes to B and complains that 'everyone, especially foo, bar and baz are always just surfing the net privately'
[22:19] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: kmail does not ask for a passphrase for decryption when gpg-agent is not running
[22:19] <blindcoder> B knows the situation and that we sometimes don't have anything to do for hours while the machine is setting up databases or whatever
[22:19] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: ok, I see. I didn't test without gpg-agent
[22:19] <blindcoder> so B tries to appease BB by "talking firmly to foo, bar and baz"
[22:20] <blindcoder> this happens in a regular cycle
[22:20] <blindcoder> so it's really just BB making himself feel good
[22:20] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I assume you didn't submit anything to sm? Do you want to? Or shall I?
[22:21] <owl> blindcoder: tell them that you are willed to solve the problem but you need someone who gives you work. 
[22:21] <blindcoder> owl: yes, that's what I tried today
[22:22] <blindcoder> owl: and B told me to take a vacation tomorrow and he'll have work by monday
[22:22] <owl> blindcoder: pardon?! 
[22:22] <owl> blindcoder: hopefully it was sponosored by company-vacation?
[22:23] <blindcoder> owl: overtime
[22:23] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: feel free to submit the additional CORE flags, and anything else necessary for running gpg-agent
[22:24] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: I'll try to talk the kmail developers into allowing decryption without gpg-agent
[22:24] <owl> blindcoder: well. then it's imho ok. tell them that they should make better plans, that overtime will be not that much and that you don't need to surf the web that much ;)
[22:25] <owl> it's that simple. even BCs should get it...
[22:26] <blindcoder> owl: well, it's not that the forecast wouldn't have been good if not perfect
[22:26] <blindcoder> owl: it's problems with other companies not delivering stuff on time, customers cancelling orders at the last possible moment and stuff like that
[22:26] <blindcoder> owl: business as usual
[22:27] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: yes, that's a good deal, talk to them, and I'll submit the patch tomorrow, with the CORE flags, maybe I can figure out sth to start gpg-agent by default
[22:27] <blindcoder> [raphael]: should work adding it to startx
[22:27] <owl> blindcoder: sigh. the most things (especially with other companies) are a matter of organization
[22:27] <blindcoder> [raphael]: with all the gory eval details
[22:28] <blindcoder> owl: this is a big, cyan company we're talking about
[22:28] <blindcoder> owl: they have too much organisation
[22:28] <owl> blindcoder: nope. hierarchy!=organisation
[22:29] <blindcoder> owl: no. there are three people organising the same thing
[22:29] <blindcoder> owl: then there are two people being "the boss"
[22:29] <blindcoder> owl: then there are 5 people to contact in case of problems
[22:29] <owl> blindcoder: i said. hierarchy (= company structure)
[22:30] <blindcoder> owl: then there are three people organising where to put hardware for projects that are ready to install
[22:30] <blindcoder> owl: ond the problem is: none of them is talking to the others
[22:30] <blindcoder> the hierarchy is also there. it's clearly said who serves under whom
[22:30] <blindcoder> just that at every level there are at least three people not talking to each other
[22:31] <owl> blindcoder: yeah, as said: you need an better organisation. organisation also incluedes "saying what you want to do - not two days after it should have been done, but 2 weeks before" ;)
[22:32] <blindcoder> heh, you'd love working here ;)
[22:32] <owl> blindcoder: yeah, i would be kicked by the boss after two hours i guess
[22:32] <owl> sigh. 
[22:33] <blindcoder> two hours? you wouldn't last two minutes
[22:33] <owl> sigh yeah, thx for the flowers :D
[22:33] <blindcoder> yw
[22:33] <owl> sigh. should i hug you now or just kick you? *g*
[22:34] <blindcoder> you could call me a whore for tomorrow night :)
[22:35] <owl> blindcoder: nice dreams you have. but i fear for you, that those things are just dreams - which will never happen ;P
[22:36] <blindcoder> bah, you won't even leave me my dreams :(
[22:36] <owl> blindcoder: exactly. that's my job, you forgot? :)
[22:36] <blindcoder> yes, yes I really did forget
[22:38] <owl> poor boy (yeah, this sentence really comes with all my heart...)
[22:39] <blindcoder> which isn't that much *hide*
[22:40] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: "Starting with KDE-3.3 you can add the gpg-agent command in ~/.kde/env/gpgagent.sh (the filename doesn't matter). The contents of ~/.kde/env/ is sourced by startkde."
[22:40] <owl> blindcoder: *sigh* do you want to make me sad? *sniff* *sniff*
[22:41] <blindcoder> sorry >_<
[22:41] <owl> *hrhr*
[22:41] <owl> no problem. i am just "a bit" anxious/hibbelig and cynical... *cough*
[22:42] <blindcoder> I'm ready to binge drink myself into oblivion
[22:42] <owl> wonderful. 
[22:45] <blindcoder> innit
[22:46] <owl> wodka? :)
[22:47] <blindcoder> yes, I've got that here
[22:48] <blindcoder> wodka, tequila, stale beer, rum
[22:48] <blindcoder> and some other stuff
[22:48] <blindcoder> enough to get an alcohol overdose, fall over and die
[22:48] <owl> nah, that's not that easy :)
[22:49] <blindcoder> dare to try?
[22:50] <owl> nah. i can't even drink one glass with 90 % fruite-juice and 10 % wodka without being drunk... ;)
[22:50] <blindcoder> heh
[22:50] <blindcoder> easy drinker :)
[22:51] <owl> yep. you know - normally i am not drinking alc... 
[22:51] <owl> (note to self: writing english and translating and stuff needs brain-power -> reduces a bit hibbeling )
[22:52] <blindcoder> heh
[22:52] <owl> not funny... :)
[22:56] <blindcoder> bah
[22:58] <owl> hm?
[22:59] <blindcoder> nuffin
[23:00] <owl> sigh. 
[23:00] <owl> men :)
[23:01] <blindcoder> women
[23:01] <blindcoder> just as bad
[23:03] <owl> nah. intriguer than men...
[23:03] <blindcoder> women suck
[23:04] <owl> yep. 
[23:04] <owl> men also :)
[23:07] <blindcoder> naptime
[23:07] <blindcoder> bye
[23:07] <stf^rocklinux> cy
[23:08] <owl> gn8. sleep well blindcoder 
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