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[01:33] <fake> stf^rocklinux: still here?
[04:13] <th> here we go!
[04:16] <fake> <- :-Q
[04:23] <fake> so
[04:23] <fake> /dev/discs/ test install runinng
[04:37] <fake> ach fuck
[04:38] <th> i still need to commit some few things
[04:40] <fake> hihi
[04:41] <fake> you can dump into the initrd bash with real_root=/dev/not_there ;)
[04:42] <th> so how's /dev/discs doing/going?
[04:42] <fake> it works in the readily booted system
[04:43] <fake> but it's still doing the old behaviour for the initrd
[04:43] <fake> and i'm currently quite puzzled as to why
[04:43] <th> all required tools for it in initrd?
[04:43] <th> like find?
[04:44] <fake> more like, readlink, cut, grep
[04:44] <th> they are missing?
[04:44] <th> why do we need /dev/discs in initrd?
[04:44] <fake> the question is: why shouldn't it work?
[04:44] <fake> no, they're all there
[04:44] <th> 04:46:42 < th> they are missing?
[04:44] <th> hmm
[04:45] <fake> that's what puzzles me
[04:45] <th> could you give me an ISO with only bootdisk target in it?
[04:45] <th> so i could try to help
[04:45] <fake> it works in the bootdisk
[04:45] <fake> just not in the mkinitrd-created initrd
[04:45] <th> ahh
[04:48] <fake> i can boot with no problems, though
[04:48] <th> cause your fstab does not use /dev/discs/...
[04:48] <fake> ah, now it's in the system again, too
[04:48] <fake> GNAAAAA
[04:49] <th> does it work after echoing "add" > /sys/block/.../sda2 
[04:49] <th> ?
[04:50] <fake> got it...
[04:50] <fake> the if [ -d /dev/discs ] is to be blamed 
[04:50] <fake> it makes to 'break' misbehave
[04:51] <fake> another test build...
[04:52] <fake> th: wanna try the new script?
[04:53] <fake> http://f4k3.net/~fake/patches/scsi-devfs.sh
[04:53] <th> yes
[04:55] <th> installed.
[04:55] <th> rebooting
[04:57] <th> you could have at least removed the -x
[04:57] <th> ;)
[04:57] <fake> i did?
[04:57] <th> damn
[04:57] <th> dont scare me
[04:57] <fake> you forgot mkinitrd
[04:57] <th> yea
[04:57] <fake> *gg*
[04:58] <fake> (now you'll be phracked by my rm -rf /)
[04:58] <th> well my vmware has this "Revert" button.
[04:59] <th> and the sounds of my harddisk is just the updatedb. if you were referring to this ;)
[04:59] <th> it's 500h
[04:59] <th> i'll be in my office in 4 hours
[04:59] <th> that's interesting
[05:02] <th> nononononono
[05:02] <th> fake!
[05:02] <th> it's broken
[05:03] <th> see standard shot url
[05:04] <fake> WTF!
[05:04] <fake> this just CANT be true
[05:05] <th> you cant comfirm this?
[05:08] <fake> still installing
[05:08] <th> did i forgot mkinitrd again?
[05:09] <th> ahhhhhh
[05:10] <th> not the mkinitrd makes system unbootable
[05:10] <th> screenshot uploaded
[05:11] <fake> oops... good bye, XFS...
[05:11] <fake> root
[05:12] <th> my rootfs is ext3!
[05:12] <fake> the kernel seems to think otherwise...
[05:13] <th> it even tried UDF
[05:13] <th> the problem is the unknown block device (1,0)
[05:15] <fake> it's the /dev/null redirections, they don't work
[05:15] <fake> @/dev/discs problem
[05:16] <fake> no
[05:16] <fake> i've had enough of this now.
[05:16] <fake> i rebooted 3 times with the exact same script now
[05:16] <fake> 2 times it was o.k.
[05:16] <fake> the 3rd time it's /dev/discs/disc[0-4] again
[05:17] <th> dont say you wont commit anything now - please.
[05:18] <fake> i dont get that triple-negation
[05:20] <th> wait
[05:20] <th> what happens if /dev/discs/disc* does not exist?
[05:20] <th> x seems to be undefined then?
[05:20] <th> and then you do the x="`ls /dev/discs/ 2> /dev/null | grep -c .`"
[05:20] <th> hmm
[05:20] <fake> yes. that's what's checked in the last if statement
[05:21] <th> it's nullglob?
[05:21] <th> so....
[05:21] <th> if x is undefined
[05:21] <th> you do ls in /dev/discs/ ?
[05:22] <th> so when x was undefined. that means there was no disc
[05:22] <th> so shouldn't it be just "0"?
[05:22] <fake> or there is no disc for the device yet
[05:23] <fake> so it just counts one up
[05:23] <th> i just dont get it: `for x in /dev/discs/disc*`  and when there was no disc* you do x=`ls /dev/discs/`
[05:23] <fake> if there's nothing in /dev/discs or /dev/discs doesn't exits, this returns 0 -> /dev/discs/disc0
[05:23] <th> with grep -c ..
[05:24] <th> shouldnt the ls be `ls /dev/discs/disc*` too?
[05:24] <fake> if there is something in /dev/discs/disc*, but nothing describing the currently processed device, this returns the nr. of entries in the directory except . and ..
[05:24] <fake> so the next index
[05:25] <fake> which would show the contetns of disc0 if there is only disc0, ne?
[05:25] <th> not if -d is given
[05:25] <fake> whatever, that's what clifford wrote, and it *should* work
[05:25] <th> but i thought there could be more entries than just discs
[05:26] <fake> in /dev/discs ?
[05:26] <th> hmm
[05:26] <th> by label
[05:26] <fake> not atm
[05:26] <th> hmm ok
[05:27] <fake> i got it
[05:27] <fake> the problem is as follows:
[05:27] <fake> this script assumes, that the 'disc' entry be written first
[05:27] <fake> if not, it creates a new device.
[05:27] <th> readlink $x/disc
[05:27] <th> yea
[05:28] <fake> *rolls eyes*
[05:28] <fake> this is pretty much random.
[05:28] <fake> it would suffice to just check *anything* in that directory
[05:28] <fake> readling $x/`ls -1 $x/` ?
[05:29] <th> not -1
[05:29] <th> head -1
[05:29] <fake> head -n1 you mean :)
[05:29] <th> nono
[05:29] <th> they start to support -1 again ;)
[05:29] <fake> *ROFL&
[05:29] <fake> you MUST be kidding me?
[05:29] <th> i'm not.
[05:29] <th> that's what i heared
[05:30] <fake> ooooookay. hey - static /dev looks like a candidate for that trend...
[05:30] <th> hehe
[05:30] <fake> so, i'll do readlink $x/`head -n1 $x/*` ?
[05:31] <fake> no
[05:31] <fake> nono
[05:31] <th> no
[05:31] <th> nononon
[05:31] <th> you dont want to read the contents of the block device
[05:31] <fake> nono no no nono nono nono no no there's no limit...
[05:31] <fake> i just realized. i need some sleep, too...
[05:31] <th> ls $x/* |head -n1
[05:32] <fake> why not echo $x/* ?
[05:32] <th> is okay as well
[05:32] <th> no
[05:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[05:32] <fake> and what's wrong with ls -1 ?
[05:32] <th> ls introduces newlines
[05:32] <th> which you need with head
[05:33] <th> echo * is only whitespace separated
[05:33] <fake> i c
[05:33] <th> ls -1 == ls
[05:33] <th> ls does some magic here
[05:33] <th> it knows when you MEAN -1
[05:33] <th> like in a shell script
[05:33] <fake> o_O
[05:33] <th> it knows when it is outputting to a getty
[05:33] <th> or tty
[05:34] <fake> ls is a smart bitch
[05:34] <fake> now...
[05:35] <th> give me the full line again
[05:35] <th> you want to add -d
[05:36] <th>        -d, --directory
[05:36] <th>               list directory entries instead of contents, and do not  derefer-
[05:36] <th>               ence symbolic links
[05:36] <th> the latter is important ;)
[05:36] <fake> yes
[05:36] <fake> no
[05:36] <th> so the solution is lsd
[05:36] <fake> this doesn't work, because:
[05:36] <fake>  /dev/discs/disc0//dev/discs/disc0/generic is the output
[05:36] <fake> i can totally remove the beginning $x/ in the readlink call
[05:37] <th> forgot the head?
[05:37] <fake> this is it:
[05:37] <th> readlink `ls -d /dev/discs/* |head -1`
[05:37] <th> ../scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0
[05:37] <fake> if readlink `ls $x/* | head -n1` " grep ...
[05:37] <fake> i prefer -n1
[05:37] <fake> i hope they will support this, too
[05:37] <fake> ;)
[05:37] <th> i heared they want rename it to -N1
[05:38] <th> now i'm just kidding ;)
[05:38] <th> let's focus
[05:38] <fake> okay, now you're kidding ;)
[05:38] <th> the -d is missing in the above
[05:38] <th> it will dereference the symlink and show you the content of the dir
[05:39] <fake> yes
[05:39] <fake> i was just wondering wether there is 'head' in the initres
[05:39] <fake> i was just wondering wether there is 'head' in the initrd
[05:39] <th> else you can use awk for this ;)
[05:39] <fake> awk is in, head is not.
[05:39] <th> muahaha
[05:39] <fake> *sigh*
[05:40] <th> awk '{print $0; exit;}'
[05:40] <fake> this SUCKS
[05:41] <th> you dont need to care about -n1 -N1 -1
[05:41] <th> you never know what's the current head-trend
[05:41] <fake> this script is already using awk, anyways
[05:41] <th> i know
[05:41] <fake> rebooting...
[05:42] <th> with that ugly awk hack?
[05:42] <th> r0x
[05:42] <th> let's rewrite all this in SPL
[05:42] <th> or mono
[05:43] <fake> C++
[05:44] <fake> with XML config files
[05:44] <th> could we make all this SOAP scriptable?
[05:44] <fake> looking good... i'm gonna reboot a few more times
[05:44] <fake> of _course_
[05:44] <th> please gimme that url
[05:44] <th> script
[05:44] <th> fix
[05:44] <th> stuff
[05:44] <fake> thingy
[05:46] <fake> same location as before
[05:46] <fake> i guess
[05:49] <fake> perfect.
[05:50] <fake> th: i'll sm send that
[05:50] <fake> after i had a cigarette and your o.k.
[05:50] <th> lemme see
[05:51] <th> need to get networking to that vmware
[05:51] <th> should be easy
[05:53] <th> rebootign
[05:53] <th> system is alive again
[05:54] <th> looks good!
[05:54] <th> it is in order without manual intervention after reboot
[05:55] <th> i'd say ack.
[05:55] <th> now get these patches rolling
[05:55] <th> i've to be in the office in 3 hours
[05:56] <fake> so i'll commit now
[06:02] <fake> hrmpf
[06:02] <fake> kernel update didn't apply
[06:03] <th> why are you mixing so many things in? ;)
[06:03] <fake> like what?
[06:03] <th> kernel update?
[06:03] <fake> i tested it
[06:04] <th> ahhh
[06:04] <th> k
[06:04] <fake> as well as gcc
[06:04] <fake> my god, this is s l o w 
[06:04] <th> it's slow so that you have more fun
[06:05] <th> r7243? that's it?
[06:05] <th> please let me know when your flood is finished
[06:05] <fake> one more...
[06:06] <fake> do you know fixdiff ?
[06:06] <th> no
[06:07] <fake> that's it.
[06:08] <th> btw for udev.conf
[06:08] <th> i'd prefer doing a cd $root/lib/udev/devices
[06:08] <th> makes code MUCH MORE readable
[06:08] <fake> you should try it. if a patch doesn't apply with smap <patchid> it leaves patchid.patch and tells you which file is in conflict
[06:08] <fake> just run
[06:08] <fake> fixdiff ed <patchid>.patch <file in conflict>
[06:08] <th> i see
[06:08] <fake> a split-window vim opens, and you can apply the patch by hand
[06:09] <th> that was the magic blackbox
[06:09] <fake> :wq -> a fixdiff_<patchid>.patch is created, a patch to the patch
[06:09] <fake> then call smap <patchid> again - it will recognize the fixdiff_<patchid> file and apply it to the patch before applying the patch
[06:09] <fake> it's a nice helper
[06:10] <th> at least that way i wont become the svn-committer if a patch needs manual change
[06:10] <fake> exactly
[06:11] <fake> now go to bed ;)
[06:11] <th> r7245?
[06:11] <fake> ack
[06:11] <th> bed? are you crazy?
[06:11] <th> i better start a new build
[06:12] <fake> *g*
[06:12] <fake> 38 patches
[06:12] <fake> we can do this ;)
[06:14] <th> 36
[06:15] <fake> how did you do that?
[06:15] <th> non core
[06:15] <th> the hal thing
[06:15] <fake> ah, no mail yet
[06:15] <th> which i checked few days ago and voted contra
[06:15] <th> so it got rediffed
[06:16] <fake> i'm afraid 'the hal thing' will be very core soon...
[06:16] <th> i WIPed the old one and applied the new
[06:16] <th> so let's apply now before this happens ;)
[06:16] <fake> *lol*
[06:16] <fake> no asterisk work anymore today...
[06:17] <th> we could put arm+fortran things in a journal
[06:17] <fake> i can start a new basic build
[06:17] <fake> so i'd prefer to do those
[06:17] <fake> if you could run a crystal one...
[06:17] <th> i'll build vanilla 7246
[06:17] <fake> okay
[06:17] <th> boot,bbs,crystal
[06:18] <th> perhaps even a reference for the orderings
[06:18] <fake> ill build minimal&bootdisk with fortran + arm patches
[06:18] <th> perhaps i've time for some installer work
[06:18] <th> let's see how /dev/discs/ fix helped
[06:18] <fake> i'll not have much time for the rest of the week
[06:19] <fake> visitors from .de ;)
[06:19] <th> well.
[06:19] <th> 2 days until weekend ;)
[06:19] <fake> tomorrow maybe, but i have to finish this asterisk setup, too
[06:22] <th> for x in boot bbs crystal ; do ./scripts/Download -cfg $x -required ;  done
[06:22] <th> then Build-Target ;)
[06:23] <fake> find config -type d -maxdepth 1 -exec ./scripts/Build-Target {} \;
[06:23] <fake> hehe
[06:23] <th> harr
[06:23] <th> that would include ./config itself
[06:23] <fake> streber
[06:24] <fake> find config/* -maxdepth 1 -type d
[06:24] <th> rock feels different these days.
[06:24] <fake> it complains if -maxdepth is after -type
[06:24] <th> that wont work either.
[06:24] <fake> it does, i just tried ;P
[06:24] <th> it complains because you can give only one starting dir
[06:25] <fake> root@cruisecontrol:/home/rock/trunk# find config/* -maxdepth 1 -type d
[06:25] <fake> config/base
[06:25] <fake> config/bootdisk
[06:25] <fake> config/moabox
[06:25] <fake> config/running
[06:25] <th> uhhhhhhh
[06:25] <th> that's a change in find
[06:25] <th> GNU find version 4.1.20
[06:25] <th> versus
[06:25] <th> GNU find version 4.2.24
[06:25] <fake> right...
[06:25] <fake> Features enabled: D_TYPE O_NOFOLLOW(enabled) LEAF_OPTIMISATION
[06:25] <th> yea
[06:26] <fake> O_NOFOLLOW(enabled)
[06:26] <fake> O_NOFOLLOW(not disabled)
[06:26] <fake> lol
[06:26] <th> i _dont_ have the no-follow option not disabled.
[06:27] <th> put that in a try { } catch NoFollowException; block if you could not follow.
[06:27] <fake> *rofl*
[06:27] <th> we should update mirror
[06:27] <fake> ack
[06:28] <fake> u know how to?
[06:28] <fake> because i don't
[06:28] <th> yea
[06:28] <fake> tell me
[06:28] <th> already doing
[06:28] <th> root@phoenix:/data/rsync
[06:28] <th> two scripts
[06:28] <th> update.sh and ftp-update.sh
[06:28] <fake> (our conversation is constantly becoming more and more adjective-less)
[06:28] <fake> ajective
[06:28] <fake> why 2?
[06:29] <fake> update for local, ftp- for mirrors?
[06:29] <th> svn and download
[06:29] <fake> ah, update.sh = svn update
[06:29] <th> ack
[06:29] <th> and download -all
[06:30] <fake> and ftp-update?
[06:30] <th> 06:32:19 < th> and download -all
[06:30] <th> Downloading download/mirror/l/linux- ...
[06:30] <th> ERROR: Found download/mirror/l/linux-
[06:30] <th> fix that!
[06:30] <fake> me?
[06:30] <th> yea
[06:30] <fake> 2147135328
[06:31] <fake> 's what i've got
[06:32] <fake> narf
[06:32] <fake> 2633990629
[06:32] <fake> can you confirm 2633990629 ?
[06:34] <th> just a 2nd
[06:35] <th> there was a script for that
[06:35] <fake> ./scripts/Download -mk-cksum
[06:36] <fake> just say yes already ;)
[06:37] <th> there was another script
[06:37] <fake> ./scripts/Create-CksumPatch 
[06:37] <fake> but i already edited the file in svn
[06:38] <fake> just tell me your phrackin' cksum
[06:38] <th> ok
[06:38] <th> bzip2 -dc download/mirror/l/linux- |cksum
[06:38] <th> 2633990629 228167680
[06:39] <fake> aye, alright
[06:39] <fake> 7247
[06:40] <th> k.
[06:40] <th> that's it
[06:40] <th> will start build
[06:40] <fake> sorry for the 'phrackin' above ;)
[06:41] <fake> i'm getting really tired
[06:42] <th> == 06:44:47 =[0]=> Building base/linux=linux26-header [ 0].
[06:42] <fake> vanilla 7247 ?
[06:42] <th> if that's head.
[06:42] <th> then yes.
[06:42] <fake> yes.
[06:46] <th> phoenix has load > 8
[06:46] <fake> why?
[06:46] <th> IO
[06:46] <th> much to do 
[06:47] <th> down to 4
[06:48] <th> oh i got quite some mails
[06:50] <th> oh
[06:50] <th> i think one more sm patches
[06:50] <th> to be marked
[06:50] <th> i manually applied them
[06:50] <fake> ?
[06:51] <th> mysql and sane-backends
[06:51] <th> the got moved to base
[06:51] <th> so i applied them manually
[06:51] <th> so i now marked them as applied in sm
[06:52] <th> reduces the list of open patches to 34
[06:53] <th> downloading files to master mirror
[06:55] <fake> right, i was wondering
[07:14] <th> master mirror is up to date
[07:18] <fake> nice!
[07:19] <fake> i've got all arm + fortran patches in my journal
[07:23] <fake> build running - good night!
[07:23] <fake> th: get some sleep somewhen...
[07:26] <fake> bye!
[08:10] <blindcoder> moin
[08:38] <stf^rocklinux> moin blindcoder
[08:41] <stf^rocklinux> hm, how do I add a group for a package? Simply by placing groupadd in the .conf file? Or is there a special function for that?
[08:43] <blindcoder> safe_groupadd and safe_useradd in postsysfiles.in
[08:43] <blindcoder> see the tor/privoxy packages for examples
[08:43] <blindcoder> and add the user/group to Documentation/Developers/REGISTER
[08:45] <stf^rocklinux> thanks
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[09:24] <[raphael]> moin moin
[09:24] <blindcoder> moin [raphael] 
[09:43] <blindcoder> humm
[09:43] <blindcoder> since I started using bitlbee I get lots of ICQ spam >_<
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[09:56] <netrunner> moin
[09:57] <netrunner> wow, I see people committing :)
[09:59] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: nice, isn't it? :)
[10:03] <blindcoder> it's scary
[10:03] <blindcoder> but I guess it means i can rm -rf /home/svn/rock-community/ :)
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[10:12] Action: netrunner 
[10:12] Action: netrunner 's time for rock decreased to 0 atm :(
[10:13] <th> blindcoder: i think so. but dont be sad!
[10:13] <netrunner> I'm even thinking about switching to something else that is not as work-intensive.
[10:14] <th> you mean to "another distro"?
[10:14] <th> netrunner: perhaps you should try to be more a user and complainer.
[10:15] <netrunner> th: I just feel tempted to install the debian dvd I received :)
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[10:18] <netrunner> the killer point for rock is that I can easily update a package and install it, or add a new one
[10:18] <th> yea
[10:18] <netrunner> maybe just because I know how to
[10:20] <blindcoder> th: I'm not
[10:21] <th> cool
[10:21] <blindcoder> th: I always thought rock-community would only be useful to demonstrate how slowly things are going at the moment
[10:21] <blindcoder> which - in the end - probably wasn't even necessary :)
[10:22] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: as th said, if something in ROCK doesn't work and you don't want to fix it yourself, complain!
[10:22] <th> btw - last night i figured: the installer stinks!!
[10:22] <blindcoder> heh
[10:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: why?
[10:28] <netrunner> what's the name of those blurred char pics?
[10:29] <blindcoder> blurred char pics?
[10:29] <netrunner> blindcoder: like you used for subwiki to prevent spam
[10:30] <th> netrunner: captchas
[10:30] <blindcoder> ah
[10:30] <blindcoder> Completele Automated Process to Tell Computers and Humans Apart
[10:31] <blindcoder> CAPTCHA :)
[10:31] <netrunner> ah yes, thx
[10:31] <th> uhh you even know the acronym
[10:31] Action: blindcoder .oO( that's even better than TWAIN )
[10:31] <th> whats twain?
[10:31] <blindcoder> Technology Without An Interesting Name
[10:31] <blindcoder> scanners :)
[10:32] <th> ahh
[10:32] <th> stf^rocklinux: well...
[10:34] <th> stf^rocklinux: i tried to really use it
[10:34] <th> stf^rocklinux: i tried to install not from cd but from another directory
[10:34] <th> no way
[10:35] <th> tons of smaller things
[10:35] <th> i really cant replay all this :-
[10:35] <th> :-/
[10:36] <stf^rocklinux> hm, I know what you mean... It only works well for a default install
[10:36] <daja77> we could use yast now that it is free
[10:36] Action: daja77 hides
[10:37] <th> stf^rocklinux: exactly. and i can remember that it was better
[10:37] <th> some long time ago
[10:38] <blindcoder> th: I installed 4 ROCK machines at CLT from NFS without a hitch
[10:38] <blindcoder> well... I manually had to ifconfig lo but that's it
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[10:41] <owl> moin
[10:44] Nick change: ija_ -> ija
[11:03] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: did you load the 2nd stage from NFS too, or packages only?
[11:03] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: packages only
[11:04] <th> so it's possible to select a source that is not from a device?
[11:04] <blindcoder> sure
[11:04] <blindcoder> everything that you can mount
[11:05] <th> i wanted a simple directory
[11:05] <blindcoder> --bind is your friend
[11:06] <th> well i DID manage to install my packages.
[11:06] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: can you use --bind in the mount options (of the stone dialog)?
[11:06] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yes
[11:06] <th> but it stunk
[11:07] <blindcoder> stank :)
[11:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: I've tried to use a directory as source device (with --bind) in stone and it seems to work
[11:33] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: could you add an example of installation from NFS to http://www.rocklinux.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Installation_using_CD&action=edit&section=8 ?
[11:35] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: please :)
[11:35] <stf^rocklinux> just which mount option and source device format was used
[11:36] <blindcoder> ehm... I just typed '' into source?
[11:37] <stf^rocklinux> ok, I'll add this :)
[11:37] <blindcoder> oh, wait...
[11:38] <blindcoder> ifconfig lo up && rc portmap start
[11:38] <blindcoder> the first one is now in trunk, but not the latter
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[11:47] <th> blindcoder: i think the lo thing is obsolete with your patch applied?
[11:47] <blindcoder> yes
[11:48] <blindcoder> but not for CLT
[11:51] <th> k
[11:51] <th> i think we can release a new iso soon
[11:51] <th> with the current head.
[11:51] <th> where udev + pam is fixed
[11:52] <blindcoder> *nod*
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[15:54] <blindcoder> okay, who's gonna tackle the gnome update?
[15:57] Action: daja77 hide
[15:57] <daja77> s
[16:02] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:03] <th> gnome? i thought we dropped that?
[16:03] <th> *jk*
[16:03] <th> damn - am i still awake?
[16:04] <blindcoder> still awake o_O
[16:04] <blindcoder> it's 4 PM...
[16:04] <th> yea
[16:04] <_BoS_> coffee/tee time
[16:05] <th> uptime is 32 hours now.
[16:05] <daja77> darn I need a faster laptop
[16:05] <blindcoder> uptime feels like 96 hours here
[16:06] <blindcoder> I'm almost fallign asleep at the keyboard here
[16:06] <th> you should stick to more interesting things
[16:06] <daja77> th.sleep(43200);
[16:06] <blindcoder> th: is that a job offer? :)
[16:07] <th> daja77: alluring.
[16:07] <th> blindcoder: only if you're cheap
[16:07] <th> ;)
[16:07] Action: blindcoder quickly calculates his current per hour salary...
[16:07] <blindcoder> ehm... hardly
[16:07] <_BoS_> and?
[16:09] <blindcoder> hardly cheap
[16:10] <_BoS_> whit a lot of mony for this time :)
[16:15] <blindcoder> anyway, kendo time
[16:15] <blindcoder> let's hope I don't fall asleep during a fight...
[16:15] <blindcoder> bye
[16:15] <_BoS_> cu
[16:24] <fake> moin
[16:24] <daja77> hi fake 
[16:29] <fake> fortran + arm patches are good
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[16:50] <th> 335 builds total, 206 completed fine, 0 with errors.
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[17:06] <fake> argh
[17:06] <fake> the initrd *must* be re-created on install
[17:07] <fake> othwerise the build-time /etc/fstab (which has /dev/root as root-device) will be in there
[17:07] <daja77_> .oO (graphical debugging helps ..)
[17:09] <th> fake: btw - i know you'll hate me. but i think the scsi-devfs script still has issues
[17:10] <fake> th: namely?
[17:10] <th> fake: load shot1.png
[17:11] <fake> th: that is an older version!
[17:11] <th> sure?
[17:11] <fake> th: no, i will not believe this.
[17:11] <fake> th: i reject this.
[17:11] <th> 1742158024 2104 scsi-devfs.sh
[17:11] <fake> th: never show me such evil pictures again, you pervert!
[17:12] <fake> damn, it's correct
[17:12] <fake> how can that happen?
[17:28] <th> i was too tired to know an answer yesterday.
[17:28] <th> actually it was today
[17:28] <th> and actually i'm not much more awake right now.
[17:31] <fake> th: didn't sleep yet??
[17:31] <th> nope
[17:32] <fake> th: you should - it makes things easier...
[17:33] <th> i've some low level stuff to take care of here... my constitution is okay for this.
[17:52] <fake> hm...
[17:53] <fake> 1und <-> inode peering problems
[17:57] <fake> damn
[17:58] <fake> who can reach www.1und1.com ?
[17:58] <th> PING www.1und1.com ( 56 octets data
[17:58] <th> 64 octets from icmp_seq=0 ttl=54 time=31.2 ms
[17:58] <fake> th: lucky you
[17:59] <th> need ssh forwarding?
[18:00] <fake> no, i'm relaying via my dsl box in ingolstadt now
[18:01] <fake> my nagios is going weee ;)
[18:48] <th> ok. mod_grub needs to be fixed to support more than ext2
[18:48] <th> perhaps something like looking which fs currently provides /
[18:48] <th> but i'd prefer to just put more modules in
[18:56] Action: stf^rocklinux still uses lilo...
[18:56] <stf^rocklinux> because I never got grub 1.9 to work
[18:58] <th> well it works here
[19:01] <fake> stf^rocklinux : can you coimment on 2006031603121420337 please?
[19:01] <fake> haha
[19:02] <fake> tracerouting to www.1und1.com switches between cogent and cix all the time
[19:03] <fake> th: can you look up some technical hotline at 1und1.com for me?
[19:04] <th> sure
[19:04] <th> server housing?
[19:04] <fake> th: a non 0900-one, preferrably ;)
[19:04] <fake> hosting
[19:04] <fake> root-server
[19:05] <stf^rocklinux> fake: as the comment says, that were duplicate directories which are removed
[19:05] <th> Aus Deutschland:
[19:05] <th> 01805 / 00 64 75
[19:05] <th> (12 Cent/Min.) 24h/7 Tage
[19:05] <th> Aus Österreich:
[19:05] <th> 0900 / 0 0 0 1 1 1
[19:05] <th> (18,2 Cent/Min.) 24h/7 Tage
[19:05] <fake> stf^rocklinux it removed /var/opt/apache/lib/htdocs !!
[19:06] <fake> grnl...
[19:06] <th> btw that prefix must die!
[19:06] <fake> damn them
[19:06] <fake> th: ack
[19:06] <fake> nontheless, i would really like to have any $DoucmentRoot after installing apache ;)
[19:07] <th> get your own content!
[19:07] <th> k relocating office-> home
[19:07] <fake> i am mirroring the apache default page for a living!
[19:07] <fake> ;-)
[19:07] <th> heh
[19:07] <fake> th: get sleep!
[19:08] <th> fake: aye
[19:08] <th> 335 builds total, 239 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[19:08] <th> that's the vanilla crystal
[19:10] <fake> nice!
[19:12] <mnemoc> which arch?
[19:13] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i still don't get which duplicate files you mean
[19:14] <stf^rocklinux> I built apache and checked the flist, and had those directories twice...
[19:14] <fake> stf^rocklinux: you mean, the same directory was in the flist twice?
[19:14] <stf^rocklinux> the same files in different directories
[19:15] <fake> stf^rocklinux: let me check my flist...
[19:15] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if i don't have double files, is it okay to remove these lines?
[19:15] <stf^rocklinux> sure
[19:16] <fake> great :)
[19:16] <fake> ( i svn blamed those lines, that's why i ask )
[19:16] <stf^rocklinux> yeah, I hardly remembered writing that...
[19:18] <stf^rocklinux> and I didn't think about the evils of rm in .conf files at that time :S
[19:18] <fake> no problem ;)
[19:19] <fake> i noticed before something evil happened.
[19:20] <fake> nope, no duplicate files here
[19:26] <stf^rocklinux> I know I checked at least twice before sending the patch
[19:28] <mnemoc> .oO
[19:29] <fake> stf^rocklinux: maybe an apache update fixed it
[19:30] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes
[19:31] <[raphael]> I have a bug report for ya
[19:31] <[raphael]> or.... let's see, I think I could just provide a patch as well
[19:36] <[raphael]> th: ping
[19:37] <[raphael]> or anyone else: do you know if the iso built by th will be uploaded and available anywhere?
[19:38] <fake> seems they've fixed that peering
[19:39] <fake> [raphael]: that is for th to decide
[19:39] <[raphael]> ok, I thought maybe he already decided and you happen to know it
[19:39] <fake> he was talking about doing a release sometime soon
[19:40] <fake> not sure wether he ment the current journal, either
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[20:44] <[raphael]> anyone wants to listen to a bug report?
[20:45] <[raphael]> or... (maybe I missed it) do you have a bug tracking system actually?
[20:45] <[raphael]> the problem is that some packages install headers into /usr/include that are only readable by root
[20:45] <[raphael]> which is not very helpful
[20:46] <[raphael]> and sometimes this even breaks compiling 3rd party software on a ROCK box
[20:47] <[raphael]> subversion is doing this right now with installing all those apr_* includes with 600
[20:47] <[raphael]> but since this is the second package I found I wonder whether installing files into /usr/include could automatically be sanity checked
[20:47] <[raphael]> in some post-install hook
[20:48] <[raphael]> and the good thing is that the installed files in /usr/include are known because of the flists
[20:50] <fake> [raphael]: which package does this?
[20:50] <[raphael]> so please, do sth about it (oh, I know I know, I could do sth myself, but at the moment I consider myself (every now and then) as a pure user of ROCK, and I don't know that part of the build system that well)
[20:50] <[raphael]> fake: subversion:dev at the moment
[20:50] <[raphael]> another one I fixed a two or three months ago
[20:50] <fake> [raphael]: installing header files 600 is not a build system, but a package problem, usually
[20:50] <[raphael]> might be, so the subversion devs are to blame
[20:51] <fake> usr/include/subversion-1/svn_xml.h for example?\
[20:51] <fake> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11535 2006-03-14 00:32 /usr/include/subversion-1/svn_xml.h
[20:51] <[raphael]> anyway, the outcome is wrong, so at least sth needs to be done, whether it's the ROCK build system or the svn devs
[20:51] <[raphael]> ls -l /usr/include/apr*
[20:51] <fake> that's apache, not subversion :)
[20:51] <[raphael]> they appear in the subversion:dev flist
[20:52] <fake> and you probably mean /opt/apache/include/ * ?
[20:52] <[raphael]> no
[20:52] <[raphael]>  /usr/include/apr*
[20:52] <fake> not in my subversion\:dev, version 1.3.0 ?
[20:53] <[raphael]> it's also 1.3.0 here
[20:53] <fake> subversion should not install any apr headers
[20:53] <fake> can give me an example filename of one of the files so i can grep my flists ?
[20:53] <[raphael]>  :/var/adm/flists$ grep apr_time.h *
[20:53] <[raphael]> subversion:dev:subversion:dev: usr/include/apr_time.h
[20:53] <fake> can *you
[20:54] <fake> root@cruisecontrol:/var/adm/flists# grep apr_time\.h *
[20:54] <fake> apache:apr:apache:apr: opt/apache/include/apr_time.h
[20:54] <[raphael]> aha, funny thing, indeed :)
[20:54] <fake> do you have apache apr installed ?
[20:54] <[raphael]> ah, ok, all this might take longer, I am really about to leave the computer for today
[20:54] <[raphael]> but I'll be around tomorrow morning
[20:55] <fake> we'll see whats wrong then :)
[20:55] <[raphael]> I don't have apache installed
[20:55] <fake> subversion requires apache ... 
[20:55] <[raphael]> well, maybe that's the reason that subversion actually installs those headers, since apache has NOT installed them
[20:55] <fake> very well possible
[20:56] <[raphael]> uhm... apache is not installed here
[20:56] <[raphael]>   $ mine -d subversion
[20:56] <[raphael]> gives a long list, but apache is not included
[20:57] <[raphael]> alright, I'll be here tomorrow morning, I'll be available for bughunting
[20:57] <[raphael]> but not doing much myself, just answering questions for now (not much time available these days)
[20:57] <[raphael]> good night all
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[21:59] <th> i can upload that tomorrow
[22:32] <daja77_> are you still up?
[22:40] <fake> *shakes head*
[22:46] <fake> club mate is 3v1l
[22:47] <owl> why is it?
[22:53] <fake> it made th a zombie
[22:53] <fake> *become a ..
[22:58] <owl> zombie... hrm. .oO( did i ever consume club mate? i don't think so hrm. ) 
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