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[09:15] <blindcoder> moin
[09:19] <mnemoc> moin blindcoder 
[09:19] <blindcoder> moin mnemoc 
[09:27] <ringo> moin blindcoder mnemoc
[09:33] <mnemoc> moin ringo 
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[10:11] <netrunner> moin blindcoder, mnemoc, ringo
[10:11] <netrunner> (in order of appearance)
[10:12] <netrunner> oh, 2.6.16
[10:36] <blindcoder> re
[10:38] <th> moin ` /names | sort `
[10:38] <th> (in alphabetical order)
[10:39] <blindcoder> hehe
[10:50] <netrunner> moin th
[10:50] Action: netrunner managed to push all his changes on we :)
[10:51] <blindcoder> good boy *patpat*
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[11:39] <esden> hello everyone
[11:43] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[11:43] <blindcoder> esden: long time no type :)
[11:45] <owl> hi esden 
[11:54] <esden> blindcoder: yes yes ;)
[11:54] <esden> humm ... damn work :)
[11:55] <esden> ohh once more ... watch V for Vendetta ... it is a must see for everyone technologically interested ... or security and privacy sensitive ;)
[11:55] <esden> and also a nice film for everyone else ;)
[11:56] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:56] <blindcoder> would have to go to a cinema again
[11:56] <blindcoder> and let me call a would-be pirate for doing so
[12:09] <clifford> th, fake: ping
[12:09] <th> clifford: pong
[12:10] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/smng_test/  .. a little preview.
[12:10] <th> cool
[12:11] <th> clifford: fed by current sm?
[12:11] <clifford> yes.
[12:11] <clifford> I've also imported the user database - so you can log in.
[12:11] <th> clifford: btw - can we somehow mark patches if they are affecting core or not?
[12:12] <clifford> sure - but let me first implement the more important issues so we can switch to smng asap.
[12:12] <th> i cant logon
[12:13] <clifford> I can (with my submsater password)
[12:13] <th> Login failed.
[12:16] <clifford> funny.
[12:17] <clifford> th: -> query
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[13:13] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:13] <blindcoder> strange
[13:13] <blindcoder> I deleted a 16 GB file
[13:13] <blindcoder> no process is using it
[13:13] <blindcoder> but I still don't have more free...
[13:13] <blindcoder> nevermind
[13:13] <blindcoder> I just remember that that file is hardlinked somewhere
[13:16] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:17] <blindcoder> no
[13:17] <blindcoder> it isn't hardlinked after all
[13:17] <blindcoder> root@ceres:/data# du -sh .
[13:17] <blindcoder> 91G     .
[13:17] <blindcoder>                       114G  107G  7.1G  94% /data
[13:17] <blindcoder> anyone got an idea?
[13:18] <mnemoc> while true; do sync; done
[13:18] <mnemoc> :)
[13:21] <blindcoder> already tried syncing
[13:22] <blindcoder> lsof doesn't show the file anymore
[13:24] <mnemoc> does df agree with du ?
[13:25] <mnemoc> oh, sorry you just pasted that :p
[13:25] Action: mnemoc tired
[13:35] <blindcoder> root      2305  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Feb17   1:52 [nfsd]
[13:35] <blindcoder> how do I kill these processes?
[13:35] <daja77> reboot
[13:35] <blindcoder> >_<
[13:35] <blindcoder> because I think that one of them still has an fd on that file open
[13:36] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:36] <blindcoder> okay, they're gone
[13:36] <daja77> :)
[13:36] <blindcoder> but still the space isn't right
[13:49] <fake> moin
[13:54] <daja77> hi fake 
[13:56] <owl> hi fake 
[13:58] <blindcoder> hmpf
[13:58] <blindcoder> adding a new IRC channel always throws my order of previous channels around
[13:59] <th> blindcoder: `/win move` is your friend
[14:00] <blindcoder> th: yes, but if I want a new channel on window 3, then the numbers of the other channels are being thrown around
[14:00] <blindcoder> so what used to be 5 is now six
[14:00] <th> blindcoder: nothing can change that ;)
[14:01] <blindcoder> I demand window number 2.5!!1!
[14:02] <clifford> hmmm.. funny. the buffers do not work in smng_test ..
[14:02] <th> no they dont
[14:02] <th> and searching for patches by owner does not work either
[14:02] <fake> i just had an sql exception entering +clifford in the vote search
[14:03] <clifford> MySQL is to old on phoenix..
[14:03] <clifford> *grml*
[14:03] <fake> fortunately, it's free ;-)
[14:04] Action: clifford updateing mysql...
[14:04] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:04] <blindcoder> flyspray or request tracker?
[14:06] <th> blindcoder: new sm
[14:07] <blindcoder> th: nah, I ponder for LVP
[14:07] <blindcoder> well
[14:07] <blindcoder> if flyspray represents sticks and stone them rt would be the thermonuclear warhead
[14:08] <th> are you drunk?
[14:08] <th> ahh
[14:08] <blindcoder> no, but maybe I should be
[14:08] <th> s/them/then/ - you are comparing tt systems
[14:08] <th> i agree.
[14:09] <blindcoder> well, I installed rt3 for $company
[14:09] <blindcoder> it's a pita to set up, but a pleasure to use
[14:09] <th> i set this up quite easy without apache
[14:10] <th> lighttpd+fastcgi
[14:10] <th> so nothing but an average cpan nightmare
[14:10] <clifford> ok. I've dumped all our mysql databases. Now I'm trying what happens if I simply run a 'Build-Pkg mysql' and restart the daemon aftwerwards..
[14:11] <daja77> should work
[14:11] <daja77> clifford: are youusing mysql5 now?
[14:11] <blindcoder> th: the cpan nightmare being what I meant
[14:11] <blindcoder> th: but even with apache it's quite nice
[14:12] <clifford> this is an upgrade from 4.0 to 4.1, we still do not have 5.0 in trunk.. ;-)
[14:12] <blindcoder> th: well, I started it in its own apache instance and use a mod_rewrite proxy mechanism to access the mod_perl apache with rt in it
[14:12] <blindcoder> you may kill me now :)
[14:12] <th> later
[14:13] <th> currently i'm busy
[14:13] <blindcoder> *phew*
[14:14] <daja77> yeah right, should I send an update patch? ;)
[14:20] <clifford> daja77: sure.
[14:20] Action: blindcoder wonders if he should just open a category "LVP" in ROCKs flyspray :)
[14:21] <th> why not?
[14:22] <daja77> source code generators rock ...
[14:22] <daja77> exit((int )1);
[14:22] <daja77> ..
[14:23] <blindcoder> heh
[14:38] <th> oeh. we have no nodes in /dev for lvm?
[14:39] <th> ah yes we do.
[14:39] <th> i got confused agian
[14:40] <blindcoder> th: didn't sleep as you should have?
[14:42] <th> yes i did
[14:49] <fake> daja77: lol
[15:03] <th> stf^rocklinux: pign
[15:04] <daja77> nice flame ;)
[15:04] <th> argl
[15:04] <th> i cant wait for this crystal build to finish
[15:04] <th> dont know why i enabled stage9
[15:05] <th> this is with s|/opt/kde|/usr|
[15:05] <fake> stage9 with crystal is against the policy ;)
[15:05] <th> are you sure?
[15:05] <th> ;)
[15:05] <th> want to look for some shared files
[15:05] <th> file sharing is the trend you know
[15:06] <fake> *gg*
[15:06] <daja77> file sharing is illegal ;)
[15:06] <th> daja77: so crystal would be illegal then?
[15:06] <fake> 5 years in a chroot...
[15:06] <daja77> sure
[15:06] <daja77> don't sell to france ..
[15:06] <th> what is "france"?
[15:06] <fake> with only /bin/bread and /bin/water
[15:07] <th> /bin/muede
[15:07] <fake> goto bed 
[15:07] <daja77> th: small country next to germany, thinks it is the most important in the world ;)
[15:07] <th> daja77: must be on my blacklist.
[15:08] <daja77> ;)
[15:08] <th> ok - now i should think about how i can boot all my LVM systems with udev
[15:08] <th> s/with udev/without devfs/
[15:09] <fake> can someone tell me how to make procmail more.. verbose?
[15:09] <fake> like, log anything at all?
[15:09] <th> fake: uninstall it
[15:09] <th> fake: use maildrop
[15:09] <fake> th: i know, i know, maildrop. but i need to extract a mails body
[15:10] <fake> th: email-to-fax stuff
[15:10] <th> fake: a mails body? skip everything until first double-newline
[15:10] <fake> th: so you don't know how to make procmail talk? someting about LOGFILE= ...
[15:10] <th> hmmm
[15:10] <th>    A sample small $HOME/.procmailrc:
[15:10] <th>        LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/from   #recommended
[15:10] <fake> and VERBOSE=yes
[15:13] <th> is it really necessary to have systems /etc/fstab in it's initrd
[15:13] <th> ?
[15:13] <fake> th: we need only the rootfs
[15:14] <th> i'd prefer a root= (or with initrd real_root=)  approach
[15:14] <th> the initrd should be more generic and smart
[15:15] <th> it could even ASK for a root if it's not given one
[15:15] <th> offering a list of block devices ;)
[15:15] <th> i think it should be the bootloaders task to give the information about which root fs to boot
[15:16] <th> some time ago there was rdev for this purpose
[15:18] <th> having a /etc/fstab somewhere in an initrd image specifying the rootfs is much less transparent as just passing it through the bootloader
[15:18] <th> is there any reason why the bootloader should NOT take this job?
[15:32] <fake> no
[15:33] <th> so there is no reason why the fstab needs to be in initrd, if we add real_root to kernel parameters?
[15:34] <fake> jep.
[15:34] <fake> real_root came after fstab-in-initrd
[15:34] <fake> i'd prefer root= though... :/
[15:35] <th> i guess that will be possible with initramfs then
[15:35] <th> i'm not 100% sure tho
[15:36] <fake> yes, it should be
[15:42] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[15:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: pong
[15:42] <th> hey stf
[15:42] <th> stf^rocklinux: i was just thinking about initramfs and wanted to know where we are.
[15:45] <stf^rocklinux> th: initramfs is usable as a drop-in replacement to current initrds, afaik
[15:45] <stf^rocklinux> th: from what I've read, you can create an initramfs and use it just like an initrd
[15:46] <th> stf^rocklinux: i know the basics. i meant what's the rock-status
[15:47] <stf^rocklinux> with the rockinitrd patch, mkinitrd can create initrds in initramfs format, but I haven't really tried it yet
[15:47] <th> ahh i see
[15:47] <stf^rocklinux> th: that's why initramfs support is experimental
[15:47] <th> so it's just using the same script and create an initramfs instead
[15:48] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes
[15:48] <th> so it might be interesting to offer a way to include the initramfs image in the kernel
[15:49] <fake> not my taste...
[15:50] <th> what's not your taste? offering an helper script to do this?
[15:50] <fake> oh, i thought during kernel build
[15:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: sounds kind of tricky, since we'd have to do the same that the kernel build does when merging kernel and initramfs
[15:51] <fake> yeah
[15:51] <th> fake: of course not
[15:51] <fake> brb, :-Q
[15:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: but maybe it's as simple as cat kernel initramfs > kernel+initramfs
[15:51] <stf^rocklinux> :)
[15:51] <th> stf^rocklinux: cant be much harder
[15:51] <th> stf^rocklinux: perhaps we can use some script from kernel tree
[16:02] <fake> linux/usr/gen_init_cpio.c
[16:11] <stf^rocklinux> btw. is there any reason to do the /dev setup in /etc/initscript and not in an /etc/rc.d/init.d/ init script?
[16:11] <stf^rocklinux> you know, /etc/initscript is a wrapper for every program that 'init' spawns...
[16:12] <fake> stf^rocklinux: no idea - clifford did a devfs-rescue-fallback-mount there, so we added the udev start there, too
[16:12] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if you mount/start it from an rc script or from the initscript, somethings' wrong anyways
[16:12] <clifford> th, fake: ok. smng_test should be working now.
[16:12] <daja77> smng?
[16:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I've moved this code to separate init scripts and it works well.
[16:13] <th> clifford: *testing*
[16:13] <fake> clifford: buffers work
[16:13] <fake> stf^rocklinux: of course it 'works'
[16:13] <clifford> some stuff (journals, vote_pattern, some buffer ops) are not implemented and so do not work..
[16:13] <fake> stf^rocklinux: but it should *never* be needed
[16:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: doing it in /etc/initscript looks like an ugly hack to me
[16:14] <stf^rocklinux> fake: we don't want to do the /dev magic for every program that init spawns
[16:14] <fake> stf^rocklinux: having it start with an rc script is a hack either
[16:14] <stf^rocklinux> fake: why? That's normal system initialisation, imo
[16:14] <fake> rc scripts are organized in runlevels.
[16:15] <fake> you don't need udev disabled in *any* runlevel
[16:15] <fake> it should be started by the initramfs/initrd, or (at the latest!) by the system.init
[16:16] <fake> _before_ loading the modules
[16:16] <stf^rocklinux> fake: that's no problem, just give the udevd.init a lower priority than system.init...
[16:16] <fake> clifford: if i select 'applied' as status...
[16:16] <fake> stf^rocklinux: OUCH
[16:17] <stf^rocklinux> fake: lol
[16:17] <fake> stf^rocklinux: and assume all required filesystems are mounted already? dev/pts and dev/shm are there?
[16:17] <th> i dont think that udevd should be started by a rc.d init-script
[16:17] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if it should start before system.init, it should be started by the initrd.
[16:18] <fake> clifford: or "ANY"
[16:18] <th> perhaps it should be spawned by init directly
[16:18] <stf^rocklinux> fake: what filesystems? root is mounted, what else do we need? and dev/pts and dev/shm are part of /dev, so udevd.init could set them up as well.
[16:18] <fake> clifford: SPL Runtime Error: Use (lookup) of undeclared variable 'status'!
[16:18] <clifford> fake: 'or "ANY"' ??
[16:19] <clifford> i.c.
[16:19] <fake> stf^rocklinux: udev is started from the initrd. it has to be. why re-start it?
[16:19] <fake> clifford: ;)
[16:19] <stf^rocklinux> fake: for the case that we directly boot into root
[16:20] <th> i think udevd should be started immediately after pivot_root. or at the latest spawned by init
[16:20] <fake> stf^rocklinux: then it's definitely system.init's job to check wether udev is mounted/started, and do a rescue-mount if so
[16:20] <th> stf - i agree. we need some catcher if we boot without initrd
[16:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: initrd starts udevd after pivot_root
[16:20] <th> stf^rocklinux: yea. that's ok.
[16:20] <fake> before and after
[16:20] <th> fake: before and after?
[16:21] <fake> before to get to the root device, after to make permission settings effective
[16:21] <th> fake: i thought the most we should do before pivot_root is copying /lib/udev/devoces
[16:21] <fake> we do?
[16:21] <th> i dont know
[16:21] <fake> it's like this:
[16:21] <fake> - mount ramfs on /dev
[16:21] <fake> - copy /lib/udev/devices/* /dev
[16:21] <fake> - start udevd
[16:22] <fake> - generate fake events
[16:22] <fake> argh
[16:22] <fake> no
[16:22] <th> why did you name them after you?
[16:22] <fake> - start udev
[16:22] <fake> - load modules
[16:22] <fake>  - generate fake events
[16:22] <fake> - blabla, pivot root
[16:22] <fake> - kill runnung udevd
[16:22] <fake> - start 'real' udevd
[16:22] <fake> - generate fake events
[16:22] <fake> (to set permissions of devices correctly)
[16:23] <fake> - exec /sbin/init
[16:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: initrd does that (except generating fake events a second time)
[16:24] <fake> oh, oops
[16:24] <fake> it should
[16:24] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i know it does, i wrote it that way ;-)
[16:24] <fake> just clarifying it for th
[16:24] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ok ;)
[16:24] <stf^rocklinux> fake: but we need to handle the case that root is directly booted into
[16:25] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i understand that
[16:25] <clifford> fake: fixed.
[16:25] <th> so do we mount another /dev for the real system?
[16:25] <th> or bind-mount?
[16:25] <clifford> there are some patches (as 2004022803075617950) with no correct author information.. funny..
[16:25] <fake> th: mount --move
[16:25] <fake> th: as with sys and proc
[16:25] <th> ok
[16:26] <stf^rocklinux> fake: and placing the udev /dev setup in a separate init script is nicer than adding to the already bloated system.init
[16:27] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i just think it would fit in between two steps in the system.init
[16:27] <fake> stf^rocklinux: system.init has to be modularized, i think that's the issue here
[16:27] <stf^rocklinux> fake: you name it
[16:28] <stf^rocklinux> I could give it a try (testing init scripts with QEMU is kind of fun :)
[16:29] <fake> stf^rocklinux: whatever bizzare stuff you like, i won't keep you from doing it ;-))
[16:29] <stf^rocklinux> fake: hehe
[16:30] <th> clifford: it's possible to create queues without a name
[16:30] <th> clifford: even multiple
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[16:31] <clifford> th: queue neames are not unique.
[16:31] <fake> hehe
[16:31] <clifford> (clicking empty names is difficult, yes ;-)
[16:31] <fake> but they can't be deleted / edited anymore ;)
[16:31] <th> clifford: i figured that much ;)
[16:32] <clifford> th, fake: do not wonder. I'm reimporting everything from old submaster now. So all changes will be lost..
[16:32] <fake> okay
[16:32] <th> ALL MY WORK?
[16:32] <fake> <- off to some meeting
[16:32] <th> bastard!
[16:33] <fake> mssql debugging .... jippie... :(
[16:33] <th> fake: have fun
[16:40] <stf^rocklinux> th: how big is your /proc/kcore?
[16:40] <clifford> reimport finished, "queue without name" bug fixed.
[16:41] <th> stf^rocklinux: 939528192
[16:41] <stf^rocklinux> th: I guess the size of the udev package is wrong because /proc/kcore is counted in...
[16:41] <stf^rocklinux> since udev now contains a symlink to it
[16:42] <th> ahh
[16:42] <th> i see
[16:42] <th> well on my build machine it is 1073721344
[16:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: I just don't know yet where we calculate package sizes
[16:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: that would fit the ~ 1GB size of udev
[16:43] <th> yea
[16:43] <th> udev is big!
[16:43] <th> dont blame rock!
[16:43] <stf^rocklinux> hello bloatware ^^
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[16:44] <th> <Queue Without Title>
[16:44] <th> haha
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[16:44] <clifford> th: this is a working solution.
[16:45] <th> clifford: sure. i like.
[16:45] <th> really.
[16:46] <th> selecting ANY patch seems to make my firefox busy
[16:46] <clifford> maybe we should require the user to specify at least one filter?
[16:47] <clifford> (But "Status: Applied" as only filter doesn't make much of a difference.. ;-)
[16:49] <th> clifford: could you include a count of displayed patches?
[16:49] <clifford> yes, this is already on my todo list.
[16:49] <th> cool
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[16:50] <th> SPL Error: Stalled lock on session file!
[16:50] <clifford> what are you doing?
[16:52] <th> i just wanted to see ANY of owner=teha patches
[16:52] <clifford> that message is generated when the server is unable for 10 second to get a session lock. usually that means that there is already an http session open for the same session.
[16:52] <clifford> .. and this other http session is doing something that takes pretty long.
[16:52] <th> that might very well be
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[16:55] <th> clifford: i guess the big query for ANY patch did never finish
[16:57] <clifford> maybe. however: it has finished now (i can't see it in the process list)
[16:57] <th> ok
[16:57] <th> sorry for this raid ;)
[16:57] <clifford> I've added the patch count now.
[16:58] <clifford> (btw: since this is SPL and not PHP or alike you need to gain a new session to see my changes.)
[16:58] <th> yea
[16:58] <clifford> .. the old session is still executing the old SPL VM bytecode.
[16:59] <clifford> this makes it pretty hard to develop WebSPL script which do save the session id in a cookie..
[17:00] <th> hehe indeed
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[17:10] <clifford> th: btw, http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/submaster/trunk/smng_server/html_list_patch.spltpl
[17:10] <clifford> .. a good example for using SPL templates for creating SQL queries.
[17:15] <th> clifford: the <q w/o title> string needs to be quoted for the choice field...
[17:16] <clifford> th: there is no <q w/o title> string in the choices.
[17:17] <th> clifford: oh ok - it's an empty string instead. is that intended? instead of displaying the title?
[17:17] <th> ahh
[17:17] <clifford> the queue has no title.
[17:18] <th> ok
[17:18] <th> i thought you gave that string as a title
[17:18] <th> but you only display this if there is no title
[17:18] <clifford> no. but if you click the 'update' button iun the edit dialog then you will save the placeholders back an the queue will get that title.
[17:19] <clifford> I'll clean that up later..
[17:19] <th> yea - it's not a real bug, though.
[17:19] <th> only cosmetics
[17:31] <clifford> afk. cu tomorrow.
[17:32] <th> yea cya
[17:32] <th> nice progress
[19:50] <owl> re
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[21:13] <fake> grrrr
[21:14] <fake> mssql _S_U_C_K_S_
[21:15] <mnemoc> :)
[21:15] <fake> and additionally, as if mssql wouldnt' be troublesome enough, makedepend in programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/linux SIGFPEs on my x86_64
[21:15] <th> fake: want to know how i accessed mssql to do migrations?
[21:15] <fake> th: grep + sed ? ;-)
[21:16] <th> fake: jdbc -> java -> jython -> python
[21:16] <fake> ouch!
[21:17] <daja77_> uh
[21:21] <fake> makedepend -v doesn't really do anything compared to makedepend?
[21:23] <fake> ah... -v2 in combination with -DDEBUG on compile
[21:24] <fake> hm
[21:26] <fake> #elif HZ > MSEC_PER_SEC && !(HZ % MSEC_PER_SEC)
[21:26] <fake> that's the last line it parses
[21:28] <fake> aha... okay...
[21:29] <fake> MSEC_PER_SEC is only defined with __KERNEL__
[21:29] <fake> oh how i hate it
[21:33] <fake> i can;t believe it
[21:35] <fake> actually having defines defined solves this... so it's a cpp bug i guess
[21:39] <stf^rocklinux> fake: looks like the build breaks because of kernel header changes
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[22:20] <daja77_> speaking of header changes .. 2.6.16 is out ..
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[22:34] <madtux> hey
[22:35] <daja77_> hi madtux 
[22:35] <madtux> hey danny boy
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[23:00] <madtux> ringo!
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