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[00:09] <stf^rocklinux> gn8 [00:51] BoS|afk (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-032-005.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] BoS|afk (n=BoS@dslb-088-072-032-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:14] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-107-230.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:23] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-107-027.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [01:39] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:40] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-034-205.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:50] <owl> moin [07:28] <blindcoder> moin [07:40] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [09:06] raphael_wels (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) joined #rocklinux. [10:02] blindcod1r (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-e4264213138953b2) joined #rocklinux. [10:02] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-a8e2154a02f0b9fd) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:02] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [10:14] <th> morning [10:14] <th> 335 builds total, 335 completed fine, 0 with errors. [10:14] <blindcoder> moin th [10:22] <th> iso is uploading [10:22] <th> vanilla 7333 [10:25] <blindcoder> sweet [10:25] <blindcoder> say [10:25] <blindcoder> to use jobber [10:25] <blindcoder> jabber [10:25] <blindcoder> do I need to setup my own server? [10:26] <th> nope [10:26] <th> in fact you can use googletalk [10:29] <blindcoder> don't have a google account, really [10:30] <owl> aaaaeh? centericq -> register new account e.g? [10:30] <blindcoder> I already have an ICQ account, thanks [10:30] <owl> there is an jabber-account-option, too....... [10:30] <th> owl: but you need a server for jabber. [10:30] <owl> .oO( at least if you open your eyes and watch... ) [10:31] <th> owl: cause the server information is not hidden from the users as it is with icq. [10:31] <owl> th: yeah, jabber.com or something... automatically registers there... [10:31] <th> owl: and this is sick. [10:31] <owl> why? [10:31] <th> owl: cause it continues the suckiness of icq that way [10:31] <th> owl: registering all in one place [10:31] <th> making the server a SPOF [10:32] <owl> hrm [10:32] <raphael_wels> you can register at any server [10:32] <owl> yes... if you have on... [10:32] <raphael_wels> there are basically lot's of jabber servers out there [10:32] <th> yes [10:32] <th> jabber.de.cw.net [10:32] <raphael_wels> well, I have an account on jabber.pilgerer.de for example [10:32] <th> or googletalk [10:32] <th> blindcoder: well - then get an invitation ;) [10:32] Action: raphael_wels is _not_ related to the content on www.pilgerer.de [10:36] <raphael_wels> th, with IRC you also have (basically) a SPOF [10:36] <th> no [10:36] <th> raphael_wels: irc is a network of hubs [10:37] <blindcoder> freenode, oftc, quakenet, ircnet [10:37] <raphael_wels> well, so is jabber, no? [10:37] <blindcoder> lots of irc networks [10:37] <th> raphael_wels: yes. jabber is fine. [10:38] <raphael_wels> th, yes, I know, many IRC networks, but I thought you meant the technical aspect of ... like, all users on freenode are connected (in theory) to one server [10:39] <th> raphael_wels: freenode is more than one server. [10:40] <raphael_wels> yes, that's what I meant with "in theory", there are also jabber servers that can be connected to one bigger virtual server [10:41] <raphael_wels> and... jabber networks can connect to each other, (AFAIK) this is not possible between irc networks [10:41] <raphael_wels> but anyway, I don't want to flamewar about anything, just wanted to put out some thoughts [10:42] <th> raphael_wels: i guess you did not get my point [10:42] <raphael_wels> ah, maybe not, can you explain? [10:42] <th> raphael_wels: i was just noting that it's not a good idea to code a default jabber server into a IM-client [10:43] <th> cause that is causing centralization [10:43] <raphael_wels> ah, I see [11:09] <th> args. joker.com down. [11:09] <th> propably under nserver attack [11:20] <th> new iso available in 45minutes [11:20] <blindcoder> joker.com? [11:20] <blindcoder> never heard of that [11:21] <th> big registrar of com/net/org zones. [11:21] <blindcoder> ah [11:22] <th> fraunhofer.com hosted there. just a small example [11:58] clifford_ (n=clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:59] clifford (n=clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:05] #rocklinux: mode change '+o th' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:06] Topic changed on #rocklinux by th!n=th@montana.hbsn.de: https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/test-releases/crystal-r7333_cd1.iso (test this vanilla r7333 crystal) [12:06] #rocklinux: mode change '-o th' by th!n=th@montana.hbsn.de [12:26] <blindcoder> hmm [12:26] <blindcoder> flyspray 0.9.8 supports reminders [12:44] Nick change: clifford_ -> clifford [13:35] raphael_wels (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [13:43] Action: clifford is testing a cpan import package update.. [13:49] jllitvay (n=jose@proxy.baumgarten.com.br) joined #rocklinux. [13:50] <jllitvay> I guys!!! [13:51] <jllitvay> is it hard to install rocklinux in a pentium233mmx machine? [14:08] raphael_wels (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) joined #rocklinux. [14:34] <blindcoder> hardly :) [14:37] <jllitvay> yeah, but FOR a pentium-mmx it could be. I would build it in a athlon-xp 2100MHz with 740MB ram [14:37] <jllitvay> this meanwhile I read the ROCK manual in the web. [14:38] <blindcoder> that would be an entirely normal build/installation process [14:38] <th> jllitvay: how much rum is in the pmmx box? [14:38] <th> s/rum/ram/ [14:38] <blindcoder> yummy [14:38] <blindcoder> rum in the box :D [14:38] <jllitvay> 147MB in simm slots!!! [14:39] <th> fair enough [14:39] <jllitvay> that machine rules. Dual pentium-mmx 233Mhz. [14:39] <jllitvay> I love that machine. [14:39] <blindcoder> https://kqe.de/pruell/firefox.jpg [14:39] <blindcoder> :D [14:39] <jllitvay> I call it "FRANK" it comes from pieces of old machines. [15:44] jllitvay (n=jose@proxy.baumgarten.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [15:48] <th> fake: at least in the kubuntu install all disc devices are available in /dev/discs/disc*/ [16:00] <fake> th: i know [16:00] <fake> th: they cheat ;) [16:00] <fake> i felt asleep yesterday, that's why there's no xterm package yet [16:01] <fake> i'll do it this evening [16:02] <fake> th: i will also replace our scsi-devfs.sh with theirs. it's doing the same thing, just a little smarter. the race condition is fixed by using absolute data in /sys [16:02] Action: fake away again for a little [16:03] <th> fake: great news! [16:30] raphael_wels (n=raphael@lehrenetz.fh-wels.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:43] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-042-014.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:53] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-048-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] ija_ (n=ija@131.242.80.212.versanetonline.de) joined #rocklinux. [17:13] ija (n=ija@47.242.80.212.versanetonline.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:14] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [18:35] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-034-205.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:45] <[raphael]> ok, back home, finally [18:50] <stf^rocklinux> wb raphael [19:18] <th> ok - finally our system comes up without the need of manually running mkinitrd in chroot [19:27] <fake> th: how that? [19:27] <fake> why would you need that? because the bootdisk's kernel is <> the installed system's kernel? [19:28] <th> fake: first we had the libdl problem [19:28] <th> fake: then we had still some other problems which stf fixed with the latest patches [19:28] <th> and now i dont need to run mkinitrd before i can boot [19:29] <fake> th: you mean, it's run by postinstall now and that works? [19:29] <th> fake: exactly [19:29] <th> and our "konqueror" and "home" buttons work as well :-)) [19:30] <th> r7333 looks really nice [19:30] Action: stf^rocklinux killed his build system while working on initrd ^^ [19:30] <th> sound works as soon as you put a user to the sound group [19:31] <th> perhaps our installer should get a feature for installing some first users [19:31] <th> (and offering to put them in the sound group) [19:31] <stf^rocklinux> th: and maybe to the wheel group [19:31] <th> ack [19:31] <th> (which we dont have yet) [19:32] <stf^rocklinux> th: it is currently only in the livecd [19:33] <th> well ok - r7333 has mutt trouble [19:35] Action: fake fetching $topic [19:36] <fake> stf^rocklinux: how is your journal coming along? [19:36] <fake> stf^rocklinux: with linux-libc-headers i can build xorg on x86_64 without SIGFPE ;) [19:36] <stf^rocklinux> fake: seems to build well [19:37] <fake> great! [19:37] <th> ok mutt just core dumps [19:37] <stf^rocklinux> fake: the linux-libc-headers will save us some patches to linux :) [19:38] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe try a development release? 1.5.10 is said to have a number of bugs fixed: https://www.mutt.org/ [19:38] <stf^rocklinux> th: also read 1.5.10 Changelogs, and search for core (dump) [19:40] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'll test build that version ... [19:41] <th> thanks [19:46] <fake> oops [19:46] <fake> my kmail just went boom [19:46] <fake> what's with the mail clients these days... ;) [20:02] <stf^rocklinux> th: mutt 1.5.11 works, but it expects cyrus-sasl2 headers in /usr/include/sasl (and no, this can't be changed with the --with-sasl=PREFIX option ^^) [20:03] <th> what's the url to src ball [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> mutt-1.5.11.tar.gz ftp://ftp.mutt.org/mutt/devel/ [20:06] <th> ahh devel of course [20:07] <fake> i already suggested we remove sasl1 and put sasl2 headers in /usr/include/sasl [20:07] <fake> would save us !6 patches in several packages [20:07] <fake> ~6 [20:07] <th> sounds nice [20:08] <fake> (mostly nasty patches, btw) [20:09] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'm for it :) [20:10] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I could put sasl2 headers in ../sasl and sasl1 in ../sasl1 [20:10] <fake> short xterm question: in /usr/ or in /usr/X11R6 prefix? [20:10] <fake> stf^rocklinux: is any package using sasl1 ? [20:10] <th> the latter i'd say [20:10] <stf^rocklinux> fake: dunno [20:10] <fake> stf^rocklinux: let's take a look [20:11] <fake> not in crystal [20:14] <fake> hehe, mutt uses cyrus-sasl in the .10 version [20:15] <fake> the only package that has cyrus-sasl (1) in it's cache file besides mutt is python-ldap [20:15] <fake> and that package i can account for [20:16] <fake> so, as far as i am concerned, we can kick cyrus-sasl [20:17] <stf^rocklinux> fake: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032420170825328 [20:17] <stf^rocklinux> fake: you can kick cyrus-sasl afterwards ;) [20:18] <stf^rocklinux> fake: or should I remove the package in the patch? [20:18] <fake> stf^rocklinux: it won't hurt [20:18] <fake> if it's there [20:19] <fake> for now [20:20] <th> btw - w3m bitched about some liblow [20:21] <th> *** err [lib/liblow.c(265)]: [20:21] <th> strncmp/isdigit/option.consolename failed [20:21] <th> i can remember that thing from years ago [20:22] <fake> stf^rocklinux: didn'y ou write a patch about not creating an md5sum of symlinks? [20:22] <fake> my x86_64 build stopped yesterday after building udev... [20:26] <stf^rocklinux> fake: not yet... [20:27] <fake> oh, ok. then i confused sth [20:27] <fake> the same problem exists with Build-Pkg 0update [20:27] <fake> -update [20:27] <stf^rocklinux> fake: my rockinitrd patch copies symlinks instead of the files pointed at [20:28] <fake> yeah, maybe that was what i saw [20:28] <stf^rocklinux> fake: mine -y will also try to create a cksum of /dev/stdin etc. ... [20:30] <fake> hehe [20:34] <fake> ah, new crystal is here [20:36] <fake> i'll let xterm be installed in /usr. it insists... [20:41] <fake> hm... [20:41] <fake> did i miss something? [20:41] <fake> why can every user on my system access my X display? [20:41] <fake> without xhost + or anything [20:43] <fake> ah, no [20:43] <fake> xterm isn't a login shell by default [20:43] <fake> we have a patch for that... [20:47] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'll take a look at cksum/md5sum creation ... [20:50] <fake> stf^rocklinux: n1c3 [20:50] <fake> xterm package coming up... [21:03] <stf^rocklinux> how do I check in C if a file is a symlink, block device, etc.? [21:06] <th> lstat [21:07] <th> and use makro S_ISBLK(m) on the result [21:07] <stf^rocklinux> ah, stat in that case. thanks [21:07] <th> no stat will follow symlink [21:07] <stf^rocklinux> ah, yes [21:07] <th> lstat is identical to stat, except in the case of a symbolic link, where the link itself is stat-ed, not the file that it refers to. [21:09] <stf^rocklinux> yes, just read that :) [21:09] <stf^rocklinux> th: I assume running cksum on sockets is a bad idea, as well? [21:09] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes [21:10] <th> you'll get a a no such device or address [21:10] <th> you'll get a a "no such device or address" error [21:25] <fake> anything but normal files is a bad idea ;) [21:43] Action: fake installing new crystal on his laptop [21:51] <fake> hardware sucks [21:51] <fake> hdb: media error [22:08] <th> the ':' in our gems really sucks [22:08] <th> can't use scp to transfer them [22:11] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, the : in filenames usually denotes remote files, afaik [22:11] <th> tru [22:11] <th> e [22:11] <th> for scp and rsync [22:11] <th> and even tar [22:11] <th> it sucks if you try to `scp *gem foo@somewhere:` [22:12] <th> i now did a `rename ':' XXXXX` before doing so [22:12] <fake> on traditional mac, : was the path delimiter [22:12] <fake> instead of '/' or '\' [22:12] <stf^rocklinux> fake: how could they... ^^ [22:13] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:14] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I think I've fixed Build-Pkg and mine wrt. special files... [22:14] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if you sm send, i'll give it a try [22:14] <fake> (a simple Emerge-Pkg udev should show wether it works ;) [22:15] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:21] <stf^rocklinux> fake: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032422202525108 [22:21] <th> /usr/share/aclocal/xmms.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of XMMS_TEST_VERSION [22:21] <th> run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' [22:21] <th> or see https://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal [22:22] <stf^rocklinux> th: warnings can be ignored ;) [22:22] <th> /usr/share/aclocal/xmms.m4:62: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_XMMS [22:22] <th> /usr/share/aclocal/sdlmm.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_SDLMM [22:22] <th> /usr/share/aclocal/libmikmod.m4:11: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBMIKMOD [22:22] <th> /usr/share/aclocal/audiofile.m4:12: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_AUDIOFILE [22:22] <fake> stf^rocklinux: why "X" ? [22:22] <th> /usr/share/aclocal/ao.m4:9: warning: underquoted definition of XIPH_PATH_AO [22:22] <th> i think we have a slight problem [22:22] <th> that comes when i try to automake something totally different [22:22] <stf^rocklinux> fake: so we know it's a special file [22:23] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's a change in behaviour [22:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: and we can detect (with mine -y) if a special file has become a normal file or vice versa [22:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: for fifos? [22:23] <fake> ah [22:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: for fifos, yes that [22:23] <stf^rocklinux> that's a change [22:24] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) joined #rocklinux. [22:24] <fake> though you missed the -update check [22:24] <stf^rocklinux> fake: but I wonder where this fifo exception came from, anyway [22:24] <fake> line 705 ff [22:25] <fake> in Build-Pkg [22:27] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'll grep -v "^X" that... [22:27] <fake> stf^rocklinux: jep, nice [22:28] <stf^rocklinux> btw. do we really need cksum and md5sum? afaics mine doesn't even use cksum checksums [22:28] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:28] <fake> maybe bize does [22:29] <stf^rocklinux> ah ok. [22:29] Action: stf^rocklinux likes blindcoders patch to skip cksum creation :) [22:31] Action: fake not so much [22:31] <fake> you really want them when updating packages, etc... but for test builds, it's nice [22:33] <fake> 'nice' seems to be my word today [22:35] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yeah, I guess it will speed up my generic build by a few hours ^^ [22:37] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ever heard of metal fever? That's what you get when you are welding and inhalate the wrong fumes :S [22:39] Action: stf^rocklinux felt a bit like vomiting today driving home from welding lessions... [22:39] <stf^rocklinux> but I feel better now [22:42] <stf^rocklinux> fake: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032422341225743 [22:50] <fake> what is 'welding' ? [22:54] <icelbox> <de>schweissen</de> iirc [22:54] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-e4264213138953b2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:54] <fake> so you are learning to weld? [22:55] <fake> th: K3B is 3 times in the "System config" menu entry in kde [22:55] <fake> th: aside from that, it looks *nice* [22:55] <stf^rocklinux> fake: as part of my study [22:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: what do you study again? [22:55] <stf^rocklinux> fake: mechatronics [22:55] <th> fake: that's not been introduced in 7333 [22:56] <fake> th: i didn't notice before ;) [22:56] <fake> stf^rocklinux: so, building robots and such? [22:56] <th> fake: one of them is setup [22:56] <th> fake: and the two other differ in "--cdimage %U" and "--image %U" [22:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yeah, hope to do so in the future [22:56] <fake> th: yes, one of them has a full name [22:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: sounds cool [22:57] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe we shouldn't change any kde desktop files? [22:57] <th> might be the reason for this [22:58] <th> k3b: usr/share/applnk/.hidden/k3b-cue.desktop [22:58] <th> k3b: usr/share/applnk/.hidden/k3b-iso.desktop [22:58] <stf^rocklinux> fake: but before that comes a lot of learning and work ^^ [22:58] <stf^rocklinux> fake: well at least now I know how to arc weld without killing myself :) [23:00] <th> stf^rocklinux: well we need that sort of hook we talked about day before yesterday [23:00] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-44b528894b8bd1f2) joined #rocklinux. [23:00] <th> stf^rocklinux: so kde-3.conf can just disable that it's desktop files are touched [23:02] <stf^rocklinux> th: desktopauto=0, e.g.? [23:02] <th> stf^rocklinux: yea something like that [23:05] <fake> th: i think i got it [23:05] <fake> th: the disc device [23:08] <th> fake: nice [23:08] <th> ;-) [23:09] <fake> ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="scsi", WAIT_FOR_SYSFS="ioerr_cnt" [23:09] <fake> the 'add' event is triggered long before the device becomes visible in sysfs [23:09] <th> ioerr_cnt? [23:09] <th> how is it done in kubuntu? [23:10] <fake> th: not at all [23:10] <th> but they have working disk devices [23:10] <fake> th: but that early.rules files is included in the udev distribution [23:10] <fake> th: no idea how ubuntu does it [23:10] <fake> th: but this is definitely the right way. [23:10] <th> which "early.rules"? [23:11] <fake> th: rules executed before most other rules [23:11] <th> ok [23:11] <fake> udev-088/etc/udev/05-udev-early.rules [23:19] Action: fake rebooting with new rules [23:20] SteffenP (i=steffen@p549949C9.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:39] <fake> ... [23:42] <th> fake: hmm? [23:46] <fake> th: patch in sm [23:46] <th> so it's cool? [23:46] <fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032423461410227 [23:51] <th> that's a big chunk [23:52] <fake> th: yes. just because sm doesn't support sm mv [23:52] <fake> so i have to delete/add [23:52] <th> cd .. [23:52] <th> uh [23:52] <fake> pwd? [23:53] <th> now in /home/fake [23:53] <fake> hey! [23:53] <fake> cd - [23:54] <th> now in /home/fake/.my_secret_XXX [23:54] <th> oups! [23:54] <th> i should not spy on you. sorry. [23:55] Action: fake *blushes* [23:55] <fake> i got it all from SMP [00:00] --- Sat Mar 25 2006