[00:57] <stf^rocklinux> th: the kernel on the crystal-r7333 CD is too big for qemu direct booting!
[00:57] <th> stf^rocklinux: ahh
[00:57] <th> stf^rocklinux: why is there a limit?
[00:58] <fake> good evening
[00:58] <daja77_> hi fake 
[00:58] Action: fake is not against enabling serial console *in general*
[00:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: take a look at qemu-0.8.0/hw/pc.c
[00:58] <fake> i am, though, against enabling the serial console *by default*
[00:59] <stf^rocklinux> with the following patch, qemu will boot the kernel:
[00:59] <stf^rocklinux> -#define INITRD_LOAD_ADDR     0x00400000
[00:59] <stf^rocklinux> +#define INITRD_LOAD_ADDR     0x00800000
[00:59] <fake> because we can not make assumptions about what is connected to the serial port! N E V E R !
[00:59] <stf^rocklinux> the kernel is loaded at 0x100000 (1MB) and the initrd at 4MB...
[01:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: the images might overlap and cause initrd to be corrupted or something 
[01:00] <th> fake: you only enable the feature. we're not putting a console on it.
[01:01] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I thought that console on serial is disabled until you use a special kernel boot parameter
[01:01] <fake> th: the patch included activating it by default in isolinux (or was it grub?)
[01:01] <th> ahh i see
[01:01] <th> i'd be against that as well.
[01:01] <fake> see? i never saw a revised patch, though
[01:02] <fake> so i guessed the feature's not as important...
[01:02] <th> CONFIG_SERIAL_8250_CONSOLE=y that's what i want
[01:03] <fake> isn't serial port 8250 support in general compiled as a module? would need a change, too
[01:03] <th> 01:01:38 < stf^rocklinux> -#define INITRD_LOAD_ADDR     0x00400000
[01:03] <owl> gn8 guys
[01:03] <th> shouldn't that be 4M?
[01:03] <th> ahh
[01:03] <th> initrd at 4MB...
[01:03] <netrunner> fake: ah, you didn't make that distinction at that time :)
[01:03] <fake> netrunner: let me see the lurker mailinglist....
[01:03] <netrunner> n8 owl
[01:03] <fake> n8 owl
[01:04] <netrunner> fake: I won't nail you down on that :)
[01:04] <fake> +archive
[01:04] <owl> gn8 netrunner , fake 
[01:04] <stf^rocklinux> fake: serial support in crystal-r7333 is built-in...
[01:04] <fake> i don't like being the idiot, generally
[01:04] <th> stf^rocklinux: sure?
[01:04] <netrunner> fake: it's yesterday's snow. let's use energy for creating effects.
[01:04] <th> how can i decompress vmlinuz to see how big it really is?
[01:05] <fake> http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20050128.111144.e96db6a6.html
[01:05] <fake> mv vmlinuz vmlinuz.gz && gunzip vmlinuz.gz ?
[01:05] <fake> ;-)
[01:05] <fake> this is not about kernel-wise serial output, but passing the isolinux
[01:05] <fake> bootloader an option to present the boot menu on the first serial port, too,
[01:05] <fake> so headless machines that don't support output redirecting can use the cd
[01:05] <fake> bootloader to pass the correct console=... line to the kernel
[01:05] <fake> these were the FIRST 4 lines in the mail!
[01:05] <stf^rocklinux> th: you'd have to split the bzImage, but see arch/i386/boot/compressed/vmlinux.bin*
[01:06] <fake> *sighs*
[01:07] <stf^rocklinux> th: btw. I'm rebuild this vmlinuz to see how big it is
[01:07] <th> stf^rocklinux: oh GREAT! thanks for finding that out!
[01:08] <th> stf^rocklinux: works :-)))))
[01:10] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm very pleased to see that the problem was not caused by our initrd :)
[01:11] <netrunner> fake: I still parse the broken strukture of the sentence you quoted such that you are against the whole thing :)
[01:11] <fake> it's in () to denote what the whole mail is about
[01:14] <fake> you didn't reply, either
[01:14] <fake> whatever.
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[01:18] <fake> stf^rocklinux: how did the linux-libc-headers crystal end up?
[01:18] <stf^rocklinux> fake: it's a generic build - not finished yet ;)
[01:19] <fake> stf^rocklinux: a *full* build?
[01:19] <stf^rocklinux> yes
[01:19] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no problems so far
[01:19] <fake> wow, okay, take your time then ;)
[01:19] <fake> great!
[01:19] <th> stf^rocklinux: actually i have a hello-world cpio now.
[01:20] <stf^rocklinux> fake: a symlink from /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux-<lxver> seems to be missing, though
[01:20] <stf^rocklinux> from ... to ...
[01:20] <fake> you mean linux-26 ?
[01:20] <stf^rocklinux> fake: whatever is the default ...
[01:20] <fake> it's not linux26 specfici, which package thinks such a link is needed?
[01:21] <fake> i bet zaptel 
[01:21] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'm not sure, but e.g. linux-drm, alsa-driver
[01:21] <fake> that's weird
[01:21] <stf^rocklinux> fake: external kernel modules...
[01:21] <fake> they should use /lib/modules/$lxver/build
[01:22] <fake> and *never* assume anything in /usr/include is trustable
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[01:22] <fake> (i think)
[01:22] <stf^rocklinux> th: nice :) 
[01:22] <stf^rocklinux> fake: not /usr/include, /usr/src/linux!
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[01:24] <stf^rocklinux> fake: not sure though, I'll have to look at this once more
[01:24] <fake> aaah
[01:24] <fake> okay
[01:24] <fake> stf^rocklinux: so it's missing from the linux package
[01:24] <fake> ok
[01:25] <stf^rocklinux> fake: from linux2x-source, yes
[01:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: so how did you get it to work?
[01:27] <th> stf^rocklinux: patching qemu
[01:29] <stf^rocklinux> th: and the you created the cpio with gen_init_cpio?
[01:32] <th> yes
[01:32] <th> and passed it as initrd
[01:32] <fake> as initrd? sexy!
[01:32] <th> still. a tool for linking it into the kernel would be nice
[01:32] <fake> *harr*
[01:33] <fake> on sparc this was called ';piggypack'
[01:37] <fake> mutt 1.5.11 fails for me
[01:37] <fake> keymap.c:821: error: size of array 'menu' is too large
[01:37] <fake> looks like it's gcc4 specific though
[01:42] <th> 338 builds total, 334 completed fine, 4 with errors.
[01:42] <th>  [5] base/mutt                           [5] base/alsa-driver
[01:42] <th>  [5] x86/apmd                            [5] base/pcmcia-cs
[01:42] <fake> mutt fails for me too
[01:42] <th> gcc4
[01:42] <fake> th: same error as above?
[01:42] <th> keymap.c:867: error: size of array 'menu' is too large
[01:42] <th> keymap.c:867: warning: unused variable 'menu'
[01:43] <th> The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[01:43] <th> (alsa-driver)
[01:43] <fake> o_O
[01:43] <th> Linux kernel source directory [/usr/src/linux]: /usr/src/linux
[01:43] <th> Linux source tree '/usr/src/linux' is incomplete or missing!
[01:43] <th> (pcmcia-cs)
[01:43] <fake>  /usr/src/linux doesn't exist ;)
[01:43] <th> apmsleep.c:56:31: error: linux/mc146818rtc.h: No such file or directory
[01:44] <th> (apmd)
[01:44] <th> oh well
[01:44] <th> ;)
[01:44] <th> not so bad
[01:44] <th> 4 packages only. build finished
[01:45] <fake> apmd is dead
[01:45] <fake> isn't it?
[01:45] <fake> it's 2.4
[01:45] <th> still it's core
[01:46] <fake> not too bad
[01:46] <stf^rocklinux> fake: apmd is for old hardware
[01:46] <fake> is that the one with linux-libc-headers?
[01:46] <th> yea
[01:46] <fake> i.c.
[01:46] <fake> very few woes for such a big change
[01:46] <th> 01:51:39 < th> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-25-journal.txt
[01:46] <th> 01:51:42 < th> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-25-journal.diff
[01:48] <fake> so the cyrus change didn't harm kde?
[01:48] <fake> weird!
[01:48] <th> sasl thing?
[01:48] <th> doesn't seem so
[01:48] <fake> yep, header move
[01:48] <th> actually i'm pretty eager to test this...
[01:48] <th> with hal and dbus
[01:48] <fake> we hard-patch the sasl location to be /usr/include/sasl2 in kdelibs and kdepim, iirc
[01:49] <fake> n1ce
[01:49] <fake> a fix for alsa-driver would be nice though, before the ISO :)
[01:49] <fake> i'll skip oiver the mutt problem in my glibc-24 test crystal...
[01:51] <th> i think i'll concentrate on initramfs
[01:51] <fake> alright, alsa is in the kernel, anyways
[01:51] <fake> (but i think/hope we disable it there)
[01:51] <stf^rocklinux> fake: you're right, we patch the location of sasl2 headers in kde packages, that needs to be changed
[01:52] <fake> i wonder they didn't complain
[01:52] <fake> we do that in openldap too, and multisync
[01:52] <fake> and something else
[01:52] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I don't use the sasl changes yet
[01:54] <fake> oops
[01:54] <fake> i forgot the ldconfig globbing patch in glibc24
[01:54] <fake> and i wonder why gtk & co complain they don't find glibc >_<
[01:55] <fake> s/glibc/glib/
[01:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: and in crystal builds the kernel includes all alsa and oss modules
[01:56] <stf^rocklinux> s/kernel/kernel package/
[01:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: which are then replace by the alsa-driver package??
[01:57] <fake> *replaced
[01:58] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no, they are installed in different directories
[01:59] <fake> oh great - much like depmod jeopardy!
[01:59] <stf^rocklinux> hehe
[03:03] <fake> why do we build the alsa drivers separately, anyways?
[03:06] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I think they are updated more often than in the kernel
[03:06] <th> yea
[03:11] <fake> like i care ;)
[03:12] <fake> dvb drivers, ieee1389, etc are updated more often, too
[03:12] <fake> each driver has a different release cycle
[03:21] <netrunner> ts, dicklength contest on n24
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[03:40] <fake> woo, the next VLC version will have support for itunes shares
[03:40] <blindcoder> itunes shares?
[03:41] <fake> zeroconf-based music-sharing in a local LAN
[03:41] <blindcoder> ah
[03:41] <fake> and speaker-sharing - which is kinda really useful
[03:41] <blindcoder> now I'd just need itunes :)
[03:41] <blindcoder> hmm
[03:41] <blindcoder> deadlock: wanting some beer but not wanting to stand up
[03:42] <fake> www.bierher.at
[03:42] <fake> hehe
[03:42] <blindcoder> that would still require me to stand up to open the door
[03:43] <fake> blindcoder: no panzerschreck handy?
[03:43] <blindcoder> no _what_?
[03:44] <blindcoder> well, starkbierfest next week
[03:44] <blindcoder> have to postpone drowning bad thoughts in beer until then
[03:44] <fake> in berlin??
[03:44] <blindcoder> no, I'll be in Ingolstadt
[03:44] <fake> *phew* i saw you in serious danger there
[03:44] <blindcoder> heh, I'm crazy, but not suicidal
[03:45] <fake> *shivers*
[03:46] <blindcoder> hmm
[03:46] <blindcoder> I should sleep
[03:46] <fake> wait
[03:46] <fake> now i notice
[03:46] Action: blindcoder waits
[03:46] <fake> you're awak!
[03:46] <blindcoder> heh
[03:46] <blindcoder> obviously :)
[03:46] <fake> *awake
[03:47] <fake> at this time??
[03:47] <fake> what happened??
[03:47] <blindcoder> yeah
[03:47] <blindcoder> just had a few people over
[03:47] <blindcoder> watched a few movies, talked a lot, drank a bi
[03:47] <blindcoder> t
[03:47] <blindcoder> got dumped by the girl I had a crush on
[03:47] <blindcoder> the usual stuff
[03:48] <fake> damn...
[03:48] <blindcoder> *shrug*
[03:48] <blindcoder> andere muetter haben auch schoene toechter :)
[03:48] <fake> doch du bist die einzige.. die ich willl..
[03:48] <fake> -ll
[03:48] <fake> +l
[03:48] Action: blindcoder laughs
[03:48] <blindcoder> heh, maybe at the moment
[03:49] <blindcoder> let's see what happens after I left this ratsnet called Spandau
[03:49] <blindcoder> and moved to a more... active part of Berlin
[03:50] <fake> where are you gonna move?
[03:50] <blindcoder> friedrichshain, probably
[03:50] <blindcoder> at least that's currently the best choice
[03:51] <fake> (like i have any idea where that is) aha!
[03:51] <blindcoder> got a few friends over there
[03:51] <blindcoder> 5 minute drive from alexanderplatz
[03:51] <fake> ah nice
[03:51] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[03:51] <blindcoder> especially nice for CCC :D
[03:51] <fake> (the only location i know in berlin, besides ex-HAKP)
[03:52] <blindcoder> I think I've only been to HAKP once
[03:52] <fake> is it still there? i thought it's going to be demolished
[03:52] <blindcoder> no idea
[03:53] Action: fake just tries to mencode from real video -> divx
[03:53] <blindcoder> shouldn't be a big probelm
[03:54] <fake> well, i needed to compile gcc=gcc32 to get libstdc++.so.5 to get realplayer.bin to install the codecs...
[03:54] <fake> now i need to re-build mplayer with --with-reallibs=blabla
[03:55] <fake> just to watch a few newer south park episodes on the tv-connected ... thing
[03:55] <blindcoder> hehe
[03:55] <blindcoder> I'd have to get a TV first :P
[03:56] <fake> tvs are much cheaper than equally sized flat screens 8)
[03:56] Action: blindcoder looks at his beamer producing a screen size of 2.37 m across
[03:56] <blindcoder> maybe :)
[03:57] <fake> *lol*
[03:57] <fake> unfortunately, my flat is very... well. unproportional ;)
[03:57] <blindcoder> yeah, I know. I live in blatant luxury
[03:57] <fake> it's higher than it's broad
[03:57] <blindcoder> huh?
[03:57] <blindcoder> you need to invent a gravity generator
[03:58] <fake> a 'bosch lufthaken' would solve quite a few problems
[03:58] <blindcoder> I prefer the siemens brand
[03:58] <blindcoder> they come in more colors
[03:59] <blindcoder> hmm
[03:59] Action: blindcoder wonders if power over wireless lan would work...
[04:12] <fake> hey
[04:12] <fake> this --with-reallibdir=/usr/local/RealPlayerEvilBinaryPackage/codecs really works
[04:17] Action: fake going to bed now, watching sout park season 8, ep 12 - paris hilton ;)
[04:17] <fake> n8!
[04:17] <stf^rocklinux> gn8 :)
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[10:31] <blindcoder> moin
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[11:44] <owl> moin
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[16:23] <th> hmmm any chance of building qemu-080 on gcc2?
[16:26] <stf^rocklinux> th: according to the user docs, it is tested with gcc 2.96 and x86 as host
[16:26] <th> hmm 
[16:26] <th> 2.95.3 here
[16:26] <blindcoder> there's no such thing as gcc 2.96
[16:27] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: there is. that was a RedHat only (buggy!?) release of gcc
[16:27] <blindcoder> exactly
[16:28] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: many docs especially recommend not to use gcc 2.96  for anything ^^
[16:28] <blindcoder> my point exactly
[16:28] <th> let's try a --static --disable-sdl build of qemu and see if this could run here
[16:32] <th> then i can finally try what i thought-out about our initramfs stage
[16:32] <th> (not at home ATM)
[16:33] <stf^rocklinux> btw. I've tried to make alsa-driver build for both linux24 and linux26 kernels
[16:35] <th> well -0 i thought alsa-drivers would require kernel headers.
[16:35] <th> s/-0//
[16:35] <th> after all it's kernelspace
[16:36] <stf^rocklinux> also fixed the build error with an update: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032604193316524
[16:37] <th> the alsa-drivers?
[16:37] <stf^rocklinux> th: external modules always seem to use headers from /usr/src/linux-..., not /usr/include
[16:37] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes
[16:38] <th> propably using /lib/modules/`uname -r`/BUILD?
[16:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: perhaps. But this can be changed with the LINUXDIR= make option
[16:39] <th> k
[16:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: or with configure options, if available
[16:40] <th> do we have any fix for the other 3 yet?
[16:40] <th> mutt/apmd/pcmcia-cs?
[16:40] <stf^rocklinux> th: not here...
[16:41] <th> ok - ill test the alsa-drivers patch on my last journal build
[16:41] <stf^rocklinux> btw. linux-drm fails because the /usr/src/linux symlink is missing...
[16:41] <th> linux-drm is not core, is it?
[16:41] <th> did not fail here
[16:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: it isn't
[16:42] <th> oh boy - isdn  IS slow.
[16:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: but it's also an external module :)
[16:56] <th> !> The file /usr/src/linux-/include/linux/version.h does no ..
[16:56] <th> checking for directory with kernel source... /usr/src/linux-
[16:56] <th> checking for kernel linux/version.h... no
[16:56] <th> The file /usr/src/linux-/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[16:56] <th> Please install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution
[16:56] <th> or use --with-kernel=dir option to specify another directory with kernel
[17:02] <stf^rocklinux> hmm...
[17:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: which package is that? alsa-driver-26?
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[19:36] <th> stf^rocklinux: that was alsa-driver. the same that failed before
[19:36] <th> after your patch
[19:37] <stf^rocklinux> th: the package is forked now, you have to use either alsa-driver-24 or alsa-driver-26
[19:37] <th> stf^rocklinux: oh so i need more than your patch
[19:37] <th> well
[19:37] <th> is the CORE package in the 26 part?
[19:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: I forgot to include two files in the patch...
[19:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032619413015488
[19:48] <[raphael]> Do we have a functional crystal ISO right now? One that works out of the box and has audio and a functional KDE?
[19:48] <[raphael]> and possibly even GCC 4?
[19:53] <th> [raphael]: well
[19:53] <th> [raphael]: audio is resolved in 7333
[19:53] <th> [raphael]: it is still not gcc4
[19:53] <th> my current build is now at gcc4
[19:53] <th> and it has 4build errors only
[19:54] <th> so you can expect a full gcc4 crystal pretty soon
[19:56] <th> [raphael]: but hey - disregarding gcc4 - r7333 iso has recent kde and seems to be pretty usable
[19:56] <th> stf^rocklinux: is that patch incremental to your previous one?
[19:56] <stf^rocklinux> th: no, a replacement
[19:56] <th> ok
[19:56] <th> so i'll try to revert the old one first
[19:57] <th> yea applied all fine
[19:58] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: latest crystal works quite well for me, but iirc it does not include the .desktop files fix yet
[19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes it does!
[19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: r7333 has fixed desktop files.
[19:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: my second, corrected one?
[19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: i think so
[19:58] <th> stf^rocklinux: what was your second correction?
[19:59] <stf^rocklinux> th: it was not really a correction, but adding the $desktopauto build variable...
[20:00] <th> stf^rocklinux: so it's no real "fix" either ;)
[20:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: and the first patch I sent for this was buggy, nevermind
[20:01] <th> stf^rocklinux: ahh so all your latest stuff is in my current journal i think.
[20:01] <th> but there is no problem with the desktop files as before
[20:01] <th> that's fixed some time ago.
[20:01] <th> the outstanding is only some cleanup
[20:01] <th> == 03/26/06 20:05:31 =[5]=> Finished building package alsa-driver-26.
[20:02] <th> cool
[20:02] <th> this one seems fixed
[20:02] <th>  [5] base/mutt                           [5] x86/apmd
[20:02] <th>  [5] base/pcmcia-cs                      
[20:02] <th> three to go
[20:02] <th> then we can have a gcc4 release iso
[20:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: "IMPORTANT: The Linux pcmcia-cs package is officially deprecated. It can only be used with 2.4 and older kernels ..."
[20:05] <th> hey 
[20:05] <th> that rocks
[20:06] <stf^rocklinux> th: for 2.6 there's pcmciautils
[20:07] <th> so that's missing CORE flag
[20:07] <stf^rocklinux> th: and pcmcia-cs should be non-core
[20:07] <th> so i need to hand over the core flag from pcmcia-cs to pcmciautils
[20:07] <th> we would need to move it from base then
[20:08] <stf^rocklinux> th: to public, I'd say
[20:09] <th> D         blindcoder/pcmciautils
[20:09] <th> A         base/pcmciautils
[20:09] <blindcoder> ?
[20:09] <th> .
[20:09] <blindcoder> WAAH
[20:09] <blindcoder> all my packages are taken away from me *snif*
[20:09] <th> blindcoder: you're package got promoted
[20:09] <blindcoder> while you're at it
[20:09] <blindcoder> you could update it to 013 :)
[20:09] <th> blindcoder: you still have the [M]ight.
[20:09] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: only the good ones ;)
[20:15] <stf^rocklinux> th: btw. we could disable qt40 in crystal builds for now
[20:15] <th> with pleasure
[20:17] <th> shall i just remove coreflag?
[20:18] <[raphael]> stf^rocklinux: I would prefer having Qt4 in there...
[20:18] <[raphael]> is it causing troubles?
[20:18] <[raphael]> btw. thanks for "functional" builds!
[20:18] <th> build-time + space
[20:18] <th> and policy
[20:18] <[raphael]> i see, well, oh, policy?
[20:18] <th> only one thing for one purpose
[20:18] <th> so only qt33 OR qt4
[20:19] <[raphael]> ah, ok, well, as long as it's available in the .... what do you call it? package tree?
[20:19] <th> you can just do Emerge-Pkg qt=qt40 and you will have your qt
[20:19] <[raphael]> yeah, that's fine, I actually didn't even know that the package already exists ;)
[20:19] <stf^rocklinux> raphael: or use the custom package selection
[20:19] <[raphael]> th, is the above mentioned ISO already built with gcc4 ?
[20:20] <th> [raphael]: topic?
[20:20] <th> [raphael]: topic is propably the last with gcc3
[20:20] <[raphael]> th, topic? what?
[20:20] <th> the channel #rocklinux topic
[20:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032620180131796
[20:21] <[raphael]> ahhh, is that with gcc4 ?
[20:21] <th> stf^rocklinux: ok - cool thanks
[20:22] <th> [raphael]: topic is propably the last with gcc3
[20:23] <th> [raphael]: crystal-r7333_cd1.iso is built with gcc3
[20:23] <th> [raphael]: and we're currently fixing the current journal
[20:23] <th> [raphael]: that will be completely gcc4 then
[20:24] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm currently building gcc40 so I can take a look at apmd...
[20:24] <th> stf^rocklinux: very good
[20:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: did you use mutt 1.5.11?
[20:25] <[raphael]> th: that's an explaination, thanks a great deal, I'm looking forward to this
[20:26] <th> stf^rocklinux: yea
[20:26] <th> [D] 1394214086 mutt-1.5.11.tar.gz ftp://ftp.mutt.org/mutt/devel/
[20:26] <th> ahhh
[20:26] <th> perhaps we should remove the gcc4 patch agains then
[20:26] <th> i'll try 
[20:27] <owl> somone is willed to hire an application developer?
[20:29] <th> == 03/26/06 20:32:02 =[5]=> Finished building package mutt.
[20:29] <th> owl: sure.
[20:29] <owl> th: what work? c# stuff?
[20:29] <th> owl: c++
[20:29] <th> owl: qt stuff
[20:29] <owl> hrm. what a pitty. sorry. no clue about taht
[20:31] <netrunner>  c#? /me points at owl and rofls
[20:31] <owl> netrunner: yes, it's the work i am doing
[20:31] <th> blindcoder: your package is broken!
[20:32] <th> Compiling pccardctl.c.
[20:32] <th> ...
[20:32] <th>   src/pccardctl.c:22:28: error: sysfs/libsysfs.h: No such file or directory
[20:32] <blindcoder> th: is not
[20:32] <stf^rocklinux> th: then we need some other package as well
[20:32] <blindcoder> th: just needs libsysfs
[20:32] <th> damn
[20:32] <th> ;)
[20:32] <th> ls: */libsysfs: No such file or directory
[20:33] <stf^rocklinux> th: sysfsutils
[20:33] <th> i'm dump
[20:33] <th> stf^rocklinux: so YOUR package is broken ;)
[20:33] <th> cause it lacks the CORE flag :)
[20:34] <stf^rocklinux> th: so fix it :)
[20:35] <th> i did ;)
[20:36] <th> == 03/26/06 20:40:00 =[5]=> Finished building package pcmciautils.
[20:36] <th> cool
[20:36] <th> so only apmd left
[20:37] <blindcoder> th: did you update to 013 also?
[20:37] <th> no
[20:37] <th> shall i try?
[20:37] <blindcoder> yes
[20:37] <blindcoder> according to todays announcement of pcmciatutils 013 there are some changes to sysfs coming up
[20:38] <th> 2727411282
[20:38] <th> anyone acking this cksum?
[20:39] <blindcoder> download/mirror/p/pcmciautils-013.tar.bz2 (bzip2): 2727411282
[20:39] <blindcoder> ack
[20:39] <th> thanks
[20:39] <th> that was curl|bzip2-dc|cksum for me..
[20:40] <th> btw - i really think we should have kernel sources in crystal
[20:40] <blindcoder> Download -cksumpatch for me :)
[20:41] <stf^rocklinux> th: and some kde docs
[20:41] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes.
[20:42] Action: blindcoder remembers a patch that would put :doc and :dev splits to the back of the CD Set
[20:42] <blindcoder> so dl'ing CD1 would be enough
[20:43] <th> i'd prefer to have it all on one cd... ;-/
[20:43] <th> == 20:43:36 =[5]=> Building base/pcmciautils [013 0].
[20:43] <th> ...
[20:43] <th> !> /usr/bin/ln -sf /usr/sbin/pccardctl /usr/sbin/lspcmcia
[20:43] <th> !> make: /usr/bin/ln: Command not found
[20:43] <th> sick
[20:43] <th> SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf
[20:46] <daja77> O_o
[20:46] <th> patching this...
[20:46] <blindcoder> heh
[20:47] <th> -SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf
[20:47] <th> +SYMLINK = ln -sf
[20:48] <daja77> reminds me of the broken ECHO = definition in the wlan driver makefile ..
[20:56] <th> how do i echo easily to stderr in bash?
[20:56] <th> with > /dev/stderr?
[20:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: echo >&2
[20:58] <th> ah of course
[21:21] <th> == 21:06:11 =[5]=> Building x11/qt=qt40 [4.0.1 0].
[21:21] <th> huh
[21:22] <th> bad qt
[21:22] <th> qt40 still core?
[21:22] <th> strange
[21:23] <th> #if xpkg == qt33
[21:23] <th> [F] CORE
[21:23] <th> #endif
[21:23] <th> should work, no?
[21:23] <blindcoder> yes
[21:23] <blindcoder> bug in the descparser?
[21:24] <th> X -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt33 0000 / extra/development CORE 0
[21:24] <th> X -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt40 0000 / extra/development CORE 0
[21:24] <th> hmm
[21:26] <th> no QTDIR variable to be set for qt=qt40?
[21:26] <th> see .conf
[21:27] <th> QT33DIR=$root/opt/qt33
[21:27] <th> QTDIR=\$QT33DIR
[21:27] <th> export QT33DIR QTDIR
[21:27] <th> that's for qt33
[21:27] <th> QT40DIR=$root/opt/qt40
[21:27] <th> export QT40DIR
[21:27] <th> and that's for qt4
[21:27] <th> strange
[21:28] <th> pkgmapper.in preconfig.in parse-config 
[21:28] <th> hehe
[21:32] <th> is it the preconfig.in which forces qt40 to be still flagged CORE?
[21:46] <fake> moin
[21:46] <owl> hi fake 
[21:47] <blindcoder> oh, a fake
[21:47] <fake> th: no this won't work
[21:48] <fake> th: the pkgforking is done after the desc parser
[21:48] <th> so my fear comes true
[21:48] <fake> th: you'll need to add something like there is for glibc2{2,3,4}
[21:48] <fake> th: a menu option or some sort of it
[21:49] <fake> where you do 'pkgfork qt $ROCKFG_PKG_QT_BRANCH', 'pkgremove qt'
[21:49] <fake> that way you can restrict the core flag
[21:49] <fake> it's made this way for gcc, glibc, linux,...
[21:49] <fake> bdb and automake do it in some other way, iirc
[21:50] <fake> the use package preforking
[21:50] <fake> *they
[21:50] <fake> see package/base/automake/preconfig.in
[21:51] <fake> that's why automake17 - 19 are part of crystal ;-)
[21:51] <th> if pkgcheck qt X; then
[21:51] <th>          pkgfork qt qt33
[21:51] <th>          pkgfork qt qt40
[21:51] <th>          pkgremove qt
[21:51] <th> fi
[21:51] <th> i guess i only need to remove the qt40 line
[21:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: no, add unflag CORE to it
[21:52] <th> oh
[21:52] <th> yea
[21:52] <th> so one can still enableit
[21:52] <th> i've been to long on stable ;)
[21:54] <th> X -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt33 0000 / extra/development CORE 0
[21:54] <th> O -----5---- 126.700 x11 qt=qt40 0000 / extra/development 0
[21:54] <th> nice
[21:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: pkgfork has an unflag option ?
[21:55] <fake> nice ;)
[21:55] <th> it has. and it works :)
[21:55] <fake> gcc 4.0.3, linux-libc-headers, glibc-24, with curys-sasl-change:
[21:55] <fake> 337 builds total, 329 completed fine, 8 with errors.
[21:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes, it can change any part of the package line
[21:56] <th> not too bad
[21:56] <fake> mutt, alsa-driver, apmd and pcmcia-cs are unspecific
[21:56] <th> fake: mutt, pcmcia-cs is fixeed
[21:56] <fake> oh, cool. let me rebuild...
[21:56] <th> pcmcia-cs is to be replaced by pcmciautils for linux26
[21:57] <fake> agreed
[21:57] <th> mutt was only because we did not remove an old patch
[21:57] <th> s/we/i/
[21:57] <fake> heh, nice
[21:57] <th> and stf is provifind the apmd fix soon :)
[21:57] <th> ahh and alsa-driver is fixed as well
[21:57] <th> stf made them forking
[21:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: which alsa driver patch is the right one?
[21:57] <th> it's all in my current journal.
[21:58] <th> if apmd is fixed i'll commit
[21:58] <stf^rocklinux> fake: the second
[21:58] <fake> stf^rocklinux: can you remember disregarding your patches in sm ? ;-)
[21:58] <fake> sw33t
[21:58] <fake> i'll take a look at thunderbird and firefox next
[21:58] <th> fake: and would be cool if we have no other commit before it. perhaps we can make a release out of it
[21:59] <fake> th: so trunk's frozen ?
[21:59] <th> fake: if we want a release...
[21:59] <fake> okay
[21:59] <fake> all patches after the laste udev are updates, in my case
[21:59] <fake> and you have that one in you journal
[21:59] <fake> so that's fine with me ;)
[21:59] <th> k
[22:00] <fake> where is the mutt patch?
[22:00] <th> fake: just remove the gcc40.patch
[22:01] <fake> okay
[22:01] <th> you have the update patch yet?
[22:01] <th> -[V]
[22:01] <th> +[V] 1.5.11
[22:01] <th> this one?
[22:02] <fake> yes
[22:02] <fake> i just added a comment
[22:02] <th> k
[22:03] <th> wanna gimme da comment?
[22:04] <fake>  svn rm package/base/mutt/gcc40.patch
[22:04] <th> ahhh understood.
[22:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: what build error does apmd show to you?
[22:05] <th> hmmm damn. just -delete'ed
[22:05] <th> lemme see
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[22:06] <fake> i still have it
[22:06] <th> lemme check log
[22:06] <th> ahh cool
[22:07] <th> 01:46:29 < th> apmsleep.c:56:31: error: linux/mc146818rtc.h: No such file or directory
[22:07] <th> 01:46:31 < th> (apmd)
[22:07] <th> that's what i still know
[22:09] <stf^rocklinux> th: that file is missing in linux-libc-headers
[22:09] <fake> stf^rocklinux: because it contains nothing that should be used by user-space programs
[22:09] <fake> stf^rocklinux: at least that's what they say here:
[22:09] <fake> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0109.3/0702.html
[22:10] <th> ok - now i would have the apmd.err file again
[22:12] <fake> i had the same error
[22:13] <fake> just replacing the include with linux/rtc.h fixes it
[22:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: including linux/rtc.h instead of the other header works as well ;)
[22:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'll send a patch...
[22:15] <fake> that's what i ment, actually
[22:16] <th> my mouse ready to copy and paste the patch id in the prepared commandline for patching and restarting build-target
[22:17] <fake> first!
[22:17] <th> id?
[22:17] <fake> 2006032622170104240
[22:17] <th> patching file package/x86/apmd/hotfixes.patch
[22:17] <th> == 22:21:17 =[5]=> Building x86/apmd [3.0.2 0].
[22:17] <th> == 03/26/06 22:21:22 =[5]=> Aborted building package apmd.
[22:17] <fake> stf^rocklinux: sorry ;)
[22:17] <th> fake: sorry!
[22:18] <fake> ?
[22:18] <fake> == 03/26/06 21:18:46 =[5]=> Finished building package apmd.
[22:18] <stf^rocklinux> I'll be afk for half an hour...
[22:18] <th> - #include <linux/mc146818rtc.h>
[22:18] <th> +-#include <linux/mc146818rtc.h>
[22:18] <th> ++#include <linux/rtc.h>
[22:19] <th> ah
[22:19] <th> ;-)
[22:19] <th> i should've removed the --dry-run ;-)
[22:19] <th> sorry 
[22:19] <fake> pah!
[22:19] <fake> ;-)
[22:19] <th> == 03/26/06 22:23:32 =[5]=> Finished building package apmd.
[22:19] <th> here we go!!
[22:20] <fake> what about pcmciautils ?
[22:20] <fake> oh
[22:20] <th> moved to base/ and made core
[22:20] <fake> there is already a package
[22:20] <th> ok.
[22:20] <fake> blindcoder is rocker of the month
[22:20] <th> yea
[22:20] <th> ok
[22:20] <th> i think before committing i need to upload a ISO
[22:21] <blindcoder> I am?
[22:21] <blindcoder> how so?
[22:21] <fake> pcmciautils 013 have been release today ;)
[22:21] <th> blindcoder: it's jut your look
[22:21] <th> fake: i did the update
[22:21] <fake> th: lol
[22:21] <fake> okay
[22:21] <th> fake: and fixed a SYMLINK=/usr/bin/ln
[22:21] <blindcoder> I know that I'm good looking, but it's nice to hear it every now and then :)
[22:22] <fake> blindcoder: we're stealing your packages one after another
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[22:22] <blindcoder> fake: yes, I noticed *snif*
[22:22] <fake> mwahaha
[22:23] <th> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 609M Mar 26 22:26 20060326-crystal.iso
[22:23] <th> now THIS rocks.
[22:23] <th> enough space for linux kernel sources
[22:23] <th> and some kde docs perhaps
[22:23] <blindcoder> though I believe you're just envious of my 1337 p4ck4g1ng sk1llz
[22:24] <th> 20060326-crystal.iso              2%   14MB 227.4KB/s   44:39 ETA
[22:24] <th> do you think rsync would find some room to save bandwidth?
[22:24] <th> it's a complete new build
[22:25] <blindcoder> a few megabyte perhaps
[22:25] <th> let's see
[22:26] <blindcoder> you could try bdiff and compress the result :)
[22:26] <th> xdelta was performing terribly on iso
[22:27] <th> hey - we did not change much...
[22:27] <fake> th: error: 'SYSFS_PATH_MAX' undeclared in pcmciautils - did you patch something?
[22:27] <th> uh?
[22:27] <th> i updated to 013?
[22:27] <th> ahh
[22:27] <fake> th: i also did
[22:27] <th> include sysfsutils
[22:27] <fake> aaah, ok
[22:27] <fake> thanks
[22:27] <th> i COREed it
[22:28] <th> and robbed it from stf -> base
[22:28] <fake> okay
[22:28] <th> fake: these two guys are making us rich mwahahaha
[22:29] <blindcoder> let's see
[22:29] <blindcoder> both th and fake use ROCK commercially
[22:29] <blindcoder> stf and me keep the tree high quality
[22:29] <blindcoder> damn, you're right >_<
[22:29] <fake> hehe
[22:30] <th> hehe i'd say we're a good team :-)
[22:30] <th> fake: ^5
[22:30] <fake> *clap*
[22:30] Action: blindcoder decides to become a monk and live in a remote shrine to reflect upon his actions
[22:31] <fake> okay... svn mv package/blindcoder/* package/base
[22:31] <th> blindcoder: take a laptop
[22:31] <fake> hehe
[22:31] <fake> th: pcmciautils: make: /usr/bin/ln:
[22:31] <th> fake: unfortunately you have to put this in a foreach x in package/blindcoder/*  loop
[22:31] <fake> command not found
[22:32] <th> fake: read backlog!
[22:32] <th> 20:45:50 < th> !> /usr/bin/ln -sf /usr/sbin/pccardctl /usr/sbin/lspcmcia
[22:32] <th> 20:45:50 < th> !> make: /usr/bin/ln: Command not found
[22:32] <th> 20:45:51 < th> sick
[22:32] <th> 20:46:18 < th> SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf
[22:32] <th> 20:48:55 < th> patching this...
[22:32] <th> 20:49:50 < th> -SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf
[22:32] <th> 20:49:50 < th> +SYMLINK = ln -sf
[22:32] <fake> th: okay, sorry... i know...
[22:32] <daja77> hi fake 
[22:32] <fake> thanks
[22:32] <fake> daja77: hi!
[22:32] <th> fake: so we're quit for the dry-run ;)
[22:33] <fake> th: indeed...
[22:34] <blindcoder> anyway
[22:34] <blindcoder> naptime
[22:34] <blindcoder> (damn DST)
[22:34] <blindcoder> bye
[22:34] <th> yea bye
[22:35] <th> i almost did not notice DST
[22:35] <fake> by blindcoder 
[22:35] <fake> dst?
[22:35] <fake> wtf?
[22:35] <th> good to have some clocks which do NOT set automicatlly
[22:35] <th> fake: what do YOU think how late it is?
[22:36] <fake> 2238
[22:36] <th> then you're correct
[22:36] <th> fake: so you noticed the dst
[22:36] <fake> or i did?
[22:36] <fake> i didn't notice anything
[22:37] <th> fake: you're night was 1 hour shorter than usual
[22:37] <th> fake: perhaps you should check some clocks that do not set their time automatically
[22:38] <th> actually you were still awake
[22:38] <th> 01:59:16 < stf^rocklinux> s/kernel/kernel package/
[22:38] <th> 03:00:01 < fake> stf^rocklinux: which are then replace by the alsa-driver package??
[22:38] <th> the channel was NOT idle for an hour ;)
[22:38] <daja77> *gg*
[22:38] <fake> @903 beats
[22:39] <fake> no timing information in my client
[22:39] <th> then you should fix that
[22:45] <fake> th: once i fixed firefox, thunderbird, dhcp and quota, i could offer a glibc-24 version of almos exactly your iso
[22:45] <fake> +t
[22:45] <th> cool
[22:45] <th> fake: cool would be a 64bit iso ;-)
[22:45] <th> fake: you have 25minutes.
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[22:50] <fake> th: the build on x86_64 didn't have other errors than the one i'm currently fixing
[22:51] <th> fake: is there anything special with installing it?
[22:51] <fake> but there is the bootloader problem.
[22:51] <fake> indeed.
[22:51] <fake> there is no bootloader compilable on x86_64 with 64 bit libs
[22:52] <fake> so we'd need a cross-gcc and a cross-glibc just to build the bootloader...
[22:52] Nick change: menomc -> mnemoc
[22:52] <stf^rocklinux> fake: don't we build both 32 and 64 bit libs for x86_64?
[22:53] <fake> no
[22:53] <fake> multilib is evil
[22:54] <fake> oh great. now our dns didn't come up again...
[22:55] <th> hmm?
[22:55] <fake> narf
[22:56] <mnemoc> .oO( is th the person to blame? )o
[22:57] <th> mnemoc: i think he's not talking of rock's dns but something at his site
[22:57] <mnemoc> ic :)
[22:57] <fake> yes
[22:58] <fake> stupid machine, trying to boot our backup tapes
[23:05] <th> btw - can we boot from intel-macs yet?
[23:05] <daja77> *gg*
[23:06] Action: netrunner could offer to test that on a colleagues new mac
[23:06] <netrunner> or is it not expected to work?
[23:08] <th> upload of new iso finished really soon
[23:09] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: do you know which boot loader is needed?
[23:13] <th> http://www.blu-ray.com/images/media/tdk.jpg
[23:13] <th> i think we should add some more packaes
[23:15] <th> ok iso is uploaded
[23:16] <fake> url ?
[23:16] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/test-releases/
[23:17] <th> 20060326-crystal.iso 
[23:17] #rocklinux: mode change '+o th' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[23:18] Topic changed on #rocklinux by th!n=th@montana.hbsn.de: http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/test-releases/20060326-crystal.iso (gcc4!)
[23:18] <fake> th: can you add .info files for the isos, so they become visible in the web frontend?
[23:18] <th> i dont know how to do this.
[23:18] <fake> cp unofficial/fake/blabla/irgendwas.info official/test-release/
[23:19] <fake> vim ... && mv
[23:19] <fake> it's just a small text file describing the iso
[23:21] <th> perhaps i should grab a cool template
[23:30] <th> ok - added one
[23:32] <fake> nice!
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[23:34] <th> perhaps i should note gcc4
[23:36] <fake> oh great, my disk is full
[23:36] <th> buy a new one
[23:37] <th> cleanup up does not pay off
[23:37] <fake> i know
[23:37] <daja77> i need more diskspace for new builds too
[23:37] <fake> just copied a few movies to the fileserver, that gives enough space for your iso
[23:43] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/official/test-releases/
[23:43] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: I don't know anything :)
[23:48] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: I see ^^
[23:48] <stf^rocklinux> I'll be off, gn8 all
[23:48] <owl> gn8 stf^rocklinux 
[23:50] <fake> n8 stf^rocklinux 
[23:51] <th> cya stf^rocklinux 
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