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[00:07] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:09] <daja77> stf^rocklinux: openal has releases now? [00:12] <daja77> wow that's a sensation [00:12] <daja77> feb 11th :) [00:13] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:14] <stf^rocklinux> daja: yeah, and it's already at 0.0.8 ^^ [00:16] <daja77> yeah rocks [00:17] <daja77> couldn't believe it, had to check their websote [00:37] blindcod1r (i=id@tor/session/x-130cbb4bd44cf5f4) joined #rocklinux. [00:37] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/x-3ad59c803555d0b8) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:38] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [01:14] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54995510.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [01:48] wild_one (n=enforcer@24-196-120-214.static.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined #rocklinux. [01:48] <wild_one> hiya all [01:48] <wild_one> anyone home [01:49] Action: wild_one knocks on the screens.... [01:51] <stf^rocklinux> hi wild_one [01:52] <stf^rocklinux> still there? ^^ [01:52] <wild_one> yeppers [01:52] <wild_one> :P [01:53] <wild_one> you? [01:53] <stf^rocklinux> you mean now? [01:53] <wild_one> yep :P [01:54] <wild_one> need some advice [01:54] <wild_one> :-) [01:54] <stf^rocklinux> how can I help you? :) [01:54] <wild_one> I just installed suse ver 10.0 and i am unable to get vnc running [01:55] <wild_one> wondering if you ever played with it [01:55] <wild_one> i also tried installing webmin and had no luck externally [01:55] <wild_one> internally it worked fine [01:55] <stf^rocklinux> I used some vnc server once [01:55] <wild_one> but couldnt connect from the outside [01:56] <wild_one> I dont care what i use as long as i can remote to it... [01:56] <stf^rocklinux> there are lot's of vnc servers and clients, you know [01:56] <wild_one> agree's [01:56] <wild_one> i use real vnc [01:56] <stf^rocklinux> there's even one integrated in kde [01:56] <wild_one> and suse comes with tight vnc [01:56] <wild_one> correct [01:57] <wild_one> i was trying to enable that one [01:58] <wild_one> I plan on setting it up as a mail relay and my buddy need to get access to it to set it up [01:59] <stf^rocklinux> iirc it only allows one-time access by default (that is all but the first remote login are rejected) [01:59] <stf^rocklinux> it might even use one-time keywords (it has an option to send 'invite' emails) [02:01] <wild_one> i also tried that, but when i typed the server ip the connect button wouldnt highlight [02:01] <wild_one> been working on this for 4 days :-( [02:02] <wild_one> normally i can figure stuff out but this one stmps me [02:02] <stf^rocklinux> did you read the documentation? [02:02] <wild_one> yes, and i google the problem [02:02] <stf^rocklinux> you could ask at the #kde channel [02:02] <stf^rocklinux> they should know more about that than I do [02:03] <wild_one> ok, asking now [02:05] <stf^rocklinux> well, of course you should be sure that it's not a network problem [02:06] <stf^rocklinux> like a firewall blocking the connection, etc.. [02:17] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-101-089.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [02:25] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-103-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:25] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [02:29] wild_one (n=enforcer@24-196-120-214.static.fdul.wi.charter.com) left irc: "If you give this man a ride, sweet family will die... killer on the road" [05:53] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) joined #rocklinux. [06:03] madtux (i=miguel@pf0.hostarica.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:16] Demian (n=demian@201.206.44.210) joined #rocklinux. [06:16] <Demian> hi [08:04] <netrunner> fake: thx, now my laptop does not boot any more with the new initrd [08:41] <blindcoder> moin [08:53] SteffenP (i=steffen@p549969C6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:12] SteffenP (i=steffen@p549969C6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [10:26] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-043-156.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:38] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-043-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] ija_ (n=ija@84.19.218.173) joined #rocklinux. [10:55] ija (n=ija@92.242.80.212.versanetonline.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [14:23] <th> fake: ping [14:24] <th> fake: wake up [14:33] [raphael] (n=raphael@raphael.netpark.at) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [14:36] <netrunner> th: why do you want to update to a rc and not wait for the release? [14:46] <fake> netrunner: go cry ;) [14:46] <fake> th: pong [14:47] <fake> th: build is through. kdegraphics failed due to an old patch [14:47] <fake> th: fixing & testing it [14:57] <netrunner> fake: just removing helps? [15:00] <fake> netrunner: yes. it's called post-3.5.1 [15:00] <fake> netrunner: what's wrong with your initrd? [15:02] <fake> i'm afraid this livecd won't fit on one cd-r [15:02] <fake> with all kde packages enabled ;-) [15:03] <netrunner> fake: it has empty /etc/conf for example. and complains about something in /etc/hotplug missing 30 times [15:03] <netrunner> fake: maybe it is old sysfiles [15:04] <fake> netrunner: i guess so.... it uses /etc/conf/initrd/initrd_base for a list of files included... [15:18] <fake> can rockbot do anything useful, or is he/it just for logging? [15:24] <th> netrunner: because i know what i'm doing. ;-) [15:25] <th> fake: can you put an kde update into sm as soon as possible? [15:29] <daja77_> my build is at kdepim [15:31] <fake> th: mksquashfs is just running [15:32] <fake> daja77_: already finished ;P [15:32] <daja77_> fake: cheat0r [15:32] <fake> th: that means no build errors left [15:35] <fake> daja77_: hehe [15:35] <fake> daja77_: *bllll* :P [15:35] <daja77_> :D [15:35] <th> fake: you know you can put patches in sm even if they are not fully tested, right? [15:35] <th> fake: my build machine is idling. i want to start a journal [15:35] <th> fake: or do you have a journal which will result in commits soon? [15:36] <fake> th: a runtime test will only take a few minutes more [15:36] <fake> th: like, 30 or so [15:36] <th> fake: ok - cool. that means you're going to commit the update pretty soon? [15:36] <th> with pretty soon being within 60 minutes [15:36] <fake> th: i'd like you to run a journal with it [15:37] <th> ok [15:37] <fake> th: because of the sasl/gpgme missing in livecd thing (sorry - didn't think about that) [15:37] <th> fake: i start putting together the journal now. [15:37] <fake> th: cool [15:37] <fake> th: please move hal/dbus/pmount/libidn to base and flag CORE [15:38] <th> ok [15:38] Action: fake off for a sec [15:38] <th> are the issues resolved you were talking about in the last days? [15:40] <fake> the hal issues? [15:40] <fake> kde is built without hal support [15:40] <th> oh [15:40] <th> i thought it would use it if it's available [15:40] <th> didn't you say so? [15:40] <fake> you can check: control panel -> peripherals -> storage media -> 2nd tab [15:40] <fake> stf^rocklinux did ;) [15:40] <th> oh ;) [15:40] <th> ok [15:41] <th> did kasc show any action in the last 3 months? [15:41] <fake> kasc: ping [15:41] <th> even in this channel [15:41] <th> wow [15:41] <fake> wow, a livecd with all kde packages takes only 531092 kb [15:41] <th> with all translations? [15:42] <th> stf^rocklinux: ping [15:42] <daja77_> th: iirc he voted on some patches [15:42] <th> ok so - i should not apply his 2006032923495613858 without his vote [15:42] <th> it's non core anyways [15:42] <th> no matter this [15:44] <fake> burner is spinning, brb [15:44] <th> uhh [15:44] <th> base/emacs is not core [15:47] <netrunner> does not need to be. we already have vi core [15:48] <th> hehehe [15:48] <th> i knew that would be the answer [15:50] <kasc> fake: pong [15:50] <th> kasc: hey cool. [15:50] <fake> kasc: th needs your votes ;) [15:51] <th> kasc: i was just unsure if you're still activly with us. ;-) [15:51] <th> kasc: there is a vote waiting for you on https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006032923495613858 [15:51] Action: fake trying kde 352 with a cigarette, brb [15:51] <kasc> i just did an svn up and added your patches. [15:52] <kasc> did you thoroughly test them? [15:52] <kasc> doing a complete build might take me about a week or so [15:53] <th> kasc: i would add it to my journal if you like [15:53] <th> kasc: so it will be tested in a complete crystal build [15:54] <th> kasc: btw - your vote is only general acceptance. and not a "i fully tested it" [15:54] <th> kasc: it's more like a "i like it in general" [15:59] <fake> snd_intel8x0 oopses the kernel here [15:59] Action: fake rebooting other machine... brb [16:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: pong [16:01] <th> stf^rocklinux: ah hi [16:01] <stf^rocklinux> hi th [16:01] <th> stf^rocklinux: obviously our patches (your import for translation / my koffice) collide a bit [16:01] <th> stf^rocklinux: would you give me a hand putting all together? [16:02] <stf^rocklinux> th: sure. which patches? [16:02] <stf^rocklinux> th: ah, I see [16:03] <th> basically i think your patch is missing disabling/removing the old koffice-l10n packages [16:03] <th> is that correct? [16:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: no, it doesn't do anything to the old l10n/i18n packages, they have to be removed by hand [16:05] <stf^rocklinux> th: I can update the koffice-l10n package so it matches your koffice version [16:15] <stf^rocklinux> th: a replacement of the kde import package patch is in 2006033016122313195 [16:18] <stf^rocklinux> bbs [16:19] <fake> kde update looking good, now sm sending [16:23] <fake> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2006033016213313656 [16:28] <fake> th: the multimedia category is still b0rken, and the home and konqueror buttons still don't work. btw. [16:29] <fake> th: so no regression there 8) [16:30] <th> stf^rocklinux: yea updating l10n to match 1.5-rc1 would be good [16:31] <th> fake: still broken? [16:31] <th> fake: are you sure? [16:31] <th> fake: show me your misc/desktop/parse-config [16:31] <fake> th: you bet i'm sure [16:31] <th> it WAS fixed. as my dirty fix was in [16:32] <fake> th: what should be in misc/desktop/parse-config ? [16:32] <th> a if clause [16:32] <th> instead of ||continue [16:33] <th> while checking this desktop variable [16:33] <fake> isc/desktop/parse-config:95: [ ! -f "${desktop}" ] && continue [16:33] <th> thas not trunk?? [16:33] <fake> th: let me check [16:34] Action: fake updating his direct trunk checkout... [16:34] <fake> th: yes, it is ;D [16:34] <fake> this is funny [16:35] <th> this must not be [16:35] <th> if [ $desktopauto = 1 ] ; then [16:35] <th> ahhh [16:35] <th> look above [16:35] <th> wait [16:36] <fake> misc/desktop/parse-config:95: [ ! -f "${desktop}" ] && continue [16:36] <th> yes i found it [16:36] <th> 24 if [ $desktopauto = 1 ] ; then [16:36] <th> i think that's my fault [16:36] <th> cause i manually applied that when i was too tired [16:37] <fake> ;-) [16:37] <th> shit i still dont get it [16:38] <fake> hush! no curse-words! [16:44] <clifford> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=26942 [16:44] <clifford> .. and I just wanted to create a gcc 4.1.0 package. ;-) [16:50] <th> stf^rocklinux: why does the 'if [ $desktopauto = 1 ] ; then' still not work? [16:52] <fake> clifford: it's needed for glibc24 on ppc [16:53] <fake> clifford: there is a flaw in the buildscript btw [16:53] <fake> clifford: in line 269 of gcc.conf you call the build gcc [16:53] <fake> clifford: built gcc, that is [16:53] <fake> clifford: this should not be done before stage 2 [16:54] <fake> clifford: think glibc version in build host != glibc version being built [16:54] <daja77_> hm i should check if glibc24 has hppa support [16:55] <fake> clifford: and, btw, the aforementioned bug does not appear on ppc ;-) [16:56] <fake> clifford: i added -a $stagelevel -gt 1 in the line above [17:00] <stf^rocklinux> re [17:01] <stf^rocklinux> th: doesn't it work? I'll have to check it thoroughly, then... [17:06] <th> stf^rocklinux: well. fake said it wouldn't [17:06] <th> stf^rocklinux: i know that my dirty fix worked. but that was a slight different approach of course [17:06] <stf^rocklinux> th: doesn't seem to work here either, I [17:06] <stf^rocklinux> I'll have a look [17:10] <netrunner> fake: so I have a problem with the initrd here ... the directory /etc/conf on the initrd is empty [17:10] <fake> netrunner: it should be copied by mkinitrd [17:11] <fake> clifford: you still reading?\ [17:11] <clifford> fake: hi [17:11] <th> stf^rocklinux: is 2006032916175421556 a dep of 2006033016122313195? [17:11] <fake> clifford: hi, did you read above? [17:12] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes [17:12] <clifford> fake: now I did. [17:12] <esden> hi ho [17:12] <esden> ping blindcoder [17:12] <th> stf^rocklinux: could you add it there? [17:12] <fake> esden: hi! [17:12] <netrunner> hi esdo [17:12] <esden> hi fake, netrunner [17:12] <th> stf^rocklinux: anyways - you need to rediff [17:13] <fake> clifford: do you agree - is the -dumpsecs needed in stage 1, too? [17:13] <th> stf^rocklinux: that's -p-2 [17:14] <netrunner> hehe, that mkinitrd won't work with my conf/kernel :) [17:14] <stf^rocklinux> th: ah, thanks, will rediff both (the other one has some quotes missing) [17:14] Action: netrunner has a for i in mod1 mod2 mod3; do modprobe $i; done there :) [17:15] <clifford> I'm not sure. Did you test it already? How does do build go when there is no specs file in the very beginning of stage 2? [17:19] <clifford> however: I agree that the code as it is now is broken. [17:27] <netrunner> argl! [17:27] <netrunner> grmpf! [17:27] <netrunner> who had the idea of using find to look for library names? and did not think about caching, so I see the libc.so.6 now searched 6 times for? [17:28] Action: netrunner swinging big club with rusty nail [17:29] Action: netrunner beating blindcoder [17:30] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: I guess that was one of my changes... It's not optimal wrt. to performance, but should give correct results [17:35] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: what's wrong with using the result of ldd? it does not less with an uptodate db [17:36] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: ldd cannot be cross-compiled (e.g. to process ARM binaries on x86) [17:37] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: with readelf instead of ldd, you can create initrds for one architecture on another :) [17:38] <fake> clifford: the packages built fine [17:38] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: so please just use readelf-find on archs that want the pain [17:38] <fake> netrunner: mkinitrd is a one-time thing [17:38] <fake> netrunner: no constantly used tool [17:39] <netrunner> fake: not for me currently, as it produces broken initrds [17:39] <fake> netrunner: so, you agree that it shouldn't be that way ;) [17:39] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: that would be possible. however I wanted to keep my changes simple in the beginning [17:39] <fake> netrunner: (it being a commonly called program) [17:41] <netrunner> fake: still, if there is an obvious optimization, it should be used. [17:49] <fake> netrunner: i think you've got the job! [17:49] <fake> ;-) [17:51] <netrunner> there are parts I don't understand. what does it help to call find on a filenameÄ? [17:53] <netrunner> and then using the result after removing the filename at the beginning [17:53] <netrunner> won't this always be empty? [17:54] <fake> netrunner: you can assume that every line in mkinitrd has it's purpose. [17:56] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: the filename can be a file or a directory [17:56] <netrunner> understood. the variable name is bad. $file can contain directory name :) [17:57] <netrunner> that's like storing ham in $potatosalad to trick my vegetarian gf :) [17:59] <netrunner> aaaarg. now I have split the for-modprobe thing and put /sbin/modprobe in every line ... now I see it expects ^modprobe [18:00] <netrunner> who was drunk while coding that [18:00] <th> yea that's sick [18:01] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: maybe you want to check blindcoders initrd cleanups which followed my changes (2006032315545510217) [18:01] <fake> netrunner: that's rene [18:01] <fake> netrunner: he came up with that, iirc [18:01] <fake> netrunner: also with the # no-initrd thing ;-) [18:01] <fake> aaaaages ago [18:01] <fake> however. [18:02] Action: fake just fell in love with xfce4 [18:02] <stf^rocklinux> th: I've rediffed the LINGUAS and kde i18n/l10n patches now [18:03] <stf^rocklinux> 2006033017523803630 and 2006033017530503697 [18:04] <th> cool [18:04] <th> btw - my girlfriend just tried `sudo rocket emerge rdesktop` [18:04] <th> which failed with "rocket: command not found" [18:05] <th> i adviced to use `sudo /usr/sbin/rocket emerge rdesktop` [18:05] <th> which worked partly but ended in "postinstall: command not found" [18:07] <stf^rocklinux> th: so her path does not contain /usr/sbin? postinstall should be in there, too. [18:07] <fake> th: if the sysfiles package is too old, it can't run postinstall [18:07] <fake> th: that shouldn't really matter [18:07] <th> fake: that's one of my latest crystals [18:07] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yeah, most packages don't have postinstall scripts [18:08] <th> stf^rocklinux: right. she's logged in as user and does not have sbin in path [18:08] <fake> th: then it's stf^rocklinux's reason [18:08] <th> but this sucks. [18:08] <stf^rocklinux> th: of course, users don't have sbin :D [18:08] <netrunner> cool, knightrider, airwulf on 4th :) [18:08] Action: netrunner feeling younger [18:08] <fake> netrunner: that channel rocks [18:09] <th> i thought sudo would add sbin to path [18:09] <stf^rocklinux> no idea... I always use su, not sudo [18:11] <netrunner> /sbin/init: line 82: /etc/conf/Ü*: No such file or directory [18:12] <netrunner> /etc/hotplug.d/default/default.hotplug: line 26: /dev/null: no such file or directory (a whole screenfull) [18:13] <fake> netrunner: your system is broken [18:16] <netrunner> fake: that's what initrd did. [18:16] <fake> netrunner: /dev/null is created on start of udevd. it seems it doesn't get that far. [18:17] <fake> netrunner: /etc/hotplug.d is not used anywhere anymore (at least not as far as i know). [18:17] <fake> netrunner: and i don't think it should be too hard to find out why /etc/conf/* is missing on your initrd. [18:17] <netrunner> fake: I cannot find the line where it should be copied. [18:18] <fake> netrunner: w8 [18:18] <fake> "/sbin/mkinitrd" line 67 of 224 --29%-- col 28 [18:19] <fake> mkdir -p $targetdir/etc/conf [18:19] <fake> the lines below that ... blabla, then [18:19] <fake> echo "/sbin/insmod $b $c" >> $targetdir/etc/conf/kernel [18:19] <netrunner> aha. [18:19] <fake> line 78 [18:20] <fake> it's not problem if it's not there. [18:20] <fake> then just no modules are loaded. [18:20] <netrunner> still, dev is not mounted. [18:20] <fake> do you see 'can't mount ramfs' in the output? [18:21] <fake> brb [18:22] <fake> netrunner: there should be symlinks in /lib/udev/devices [18:22] <fake> netrunner: do you have those? [18:22] <fake> for stdin, stdout, stderr, fd, and i-forgot [18:23] <fake> core [18:23] <fake> and the pts and shm directories [18:23] <fake> (with an .empty file in them ... ahem.) [18:27] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: could it be that /lib/udev/devices on your build system is a symlink? That would certainly break the initrd... [18:28] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: no it is not. [18:28] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: it contains a few symlinks and dirs, but no device files. [18:29] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: initial devices like console and null are copied from this directory on initrd boot [18:30] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: but it does not contain device files. [18:31] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: my fault, mkinitrd creates those device files [18:31] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: have you loop-mounted the initrd to see what files it contains? [18:31] <th> which automatic xorg configuration will work in qemu? [18:34] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: still that might be the reason for the errors. Try to copy console and null to /lib/udev/devices, and recreate the initrd [18:34] <netrunner> hm, my initrd contains the files mknod'ed by mkinitrd but not the ones from lib/udev/devices [18:35] <fake> stf^rocklinux: NO [18:35] <fake> stf^rocklinux: null is not copied! [18:35] <fake> stf^rocklinux: /lib/udev/devices should NOT contain real device nodes [18:35] <fake> netrunner: that's ok [18:35] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-30-journal.txt [18:35] <th> comments on this? [18:35] <th> did if forget anything? [18:36] <th> of course i need to wait for the final fix for the desktop files from stf^rocklinux [18:36] <fake> netrunner: /lib/udev/devices' content is copied to the ramfs mounted over the /dev/ in the initrd shortly before udev is started [18:36] <netrunner> ah, that is normal. [18:38] <netrunner> hm. when we mount ramfs to /dev, there will be the ramfs and not the device nodes created before.. [18:39] Action: netrunner adding -x to the shebang and hopes the buffer is long enough [18:40] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: yes, that seems strange, but somehow it really works [18:41] <th> fake: is that screensaver update tested? [18:42] <fake> th: yes, i just did it [18:42] <th> cool [18:42] <th> will add it to my journal then [18:42] <fake> netrunner, stf^rocklinux: thats intentional. [18:43] <stf^rocklinux> fake: so udev creates console and friends as well? [18:43] <fake> netrunner, stf^rocklinux: the initial device nodes are for the time before udevd is started, udevd then creates the essential device nodes instantly. [18:43] <fake> yes. [18:44] <th> stf^rocklinux: have you had time for the desktopfiles thing yet? [18:44] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, it works now [18:45] <fake> do you promise? ;-) [18:45] Action: fake re-building kde here [18:45] <th> stf^rocklinux: with which patch? [18:45] <stf^rocklinux> th: the problem was that misc/desktop/parse-config was sourced before kde-3.conf, so desktopauto was always seen as set to 1 [18:45] <th> ahhhh [18:45] <th> ok [18:46] <th> so what's the solution? [18:46] <th> fake: do we want to add a wheel group? [18:47] <fake> yes! [18:48] <stf^rocklinux> th: the solution is to defer $desktopauto evaluation [18:48] <th> stf^rocklinux: do you have a patch for this yet, so i can see and understand? [18:49] <fake> does anyone of you have a fax machine? [18:49] <th> fake: ack [18:49] <netrunner> fake: ack [18:49] <netrunner> well, in software :) [18:49] <fake> but i guess you all have ISDN or a non-analog line of some sort [18:49] <th> fake: would you mind adding a patch to sm adding a wheel group? [18:49] <fake> th: not at all [18:49] <stf^rocklinux> th: sure. see 2006033018493219296 [18:50] <th> fake: i have one which is ISDN->a/b->analog fax machine [18:50] <netrunner> fake: I have a modem on an analog changer [18:50] <th> stf^rocklinux: thanks! [18:50] <fake> can you send me a test fax? [18:50] <netrunner> aaaah [18:50] <netrunner> rofl [18:51] <netrunner> stupid mkinitrd [18:51] <netrunner> stupid init [18:51] <th> fake: target #? [18:51] <fake> i'll send you a certificate you can put into a frame and hang up your wall back, if you like ;) [18:51] <fake> no pr0n please [18:51] <fake> i can't delete the messages, they go to a mailinglist [18:52] <fake> (company-internal) [18:53] <fake> th: should it be added by pam? [18:53] <th> fake: on it's way [18:53] <th> fake: i dont know [18:53] <th> fake: i think it could be always available [18:53] <fake> stf^rocklinux: what do you think? [18:54] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I think the wheel group is only useful with pam, so it should be package-specific [18:55] <th> stf^rocklinux: that patch makes sense ;) [18:55] <fake> i agree [18:55] <th> i dont think that it's only usefull with pam [18:55] <th> a wheel group is a well known thing in unix systems ;) [18:56] <th> even without pam [18:56] <th> fake: 17 seconds. STD G3. [18:56] <fake> th: thanks! [18:57] <stf^rocklinux> th: ok, then better make it generally available :) [18:57] <th> my words [18:58] <netrunner> oh, no pr0n? *duck* [18:58] <th> tool late for me. [18:58] <th> s/tool/too/ [19:00] <netrunner> the stupid init tries to use commented lines in my fstab [19:00] <fake> netrunner: now that's crying for a fix [19:00] <netrunner> FaxSend[24070]: SEND FAX: JOB 2 SENT in 1:48 [19:01] <fake> th: LOL [19:01] <fake> netrunner, th: thanks!! [19:01] <th> any last comments for the journal? [19:01] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-30-journal.patch [19:02] <fake> th: wait for the wheel group patch [19:02] <th> ahh of course [19:03] <fake> which gid should wheel have, anyways? [19:04] <th> the lowest available [19:04] <th> 9? [19:04] <th> log 9 [19:04] <th> hmm [19:04] <fake> 9 is log [19:05] <fake> see Documentation/Developer/REGISTER [19:05] <th> that's from where i pasted [19:05] <th> so make it 10 then i'd say [19:05] <fake> 10 [19:05] <fake> ok [19:06] <fake> it's in [19:07] <th> hehe [19:07] <fake> netrunner: what's that - your manual? [19:08] <fake> Tex... omg [19:08] <fake> but thanks, anyway ;) [19:09] <netrunner> fake: you said no pr0n, so I sent some latex :) [19:09] <th> netrunner: that's the same category [19:09] <fake> your secret fetish [19:09] <fake> th: you're so right. [19:09] <th> i'll add an incremental [19:09] <stf^rocklinux> th: we should also make w32codec CORE [19:10] <th> hmm [19:11] <fake> 2006033019114001069 [19:11] <fake> sorry [19:11] <fake> i already rediffed [19:12] <th> k [19:12] <fake> stf^rocklinux: we can't [19:12] <fake> stf^rocklinux: licensing nightmare [19:13] <fake> 54 patches [19:31] <th> btw - our loopback device is still setup twice [19:31] <th> causing a ":-(" in bootup [19:31] <fake> yes, i just can't see why [19:32] <netrunner> fake: we could build it but not include it in isos, so it can be installed later [19:32] <fake> maybe it's set up automagically now? [19:32] <netrunner> fake: or does it work if it is not present at build and added later? [19:32] <fake> netrunner: you mean 'nodist' ? [19:32] <fake> netrunner: it also works if it's not present at build [19:32] <fake> netrunner: at least afaik [19:32] <netrunner> ok. [19:32] <netrunner> fake: thx for supporting my network patch :) [19:33] <fake> netrunner: i see no reasons why it shouldn't be applied [19:33] <fake> and with reasons i mean contra-votes ;) [19:33] <netrunner> :) [19:33] Action: netrunner has this on his russian outpost [19:33] <fake> .oO( <- using run-up / run-down like a moron for this stuff ) [19:35] <fake> netrunner: you know what'd really rock? if you could write a page about the /etc/network/config file in the wiki [19:35] <fake> netrunner: or (if one exists, im not sure) extend it with the functionality added by your patch [19:39] <th> stf^rocklinux: can i really rm -rf all the i18n files for kde? it will still be build with your import package now? [19:39] <stf^rocklinux> th: err, they are not flagged CORE atm... [19:40] <netrunner> fake: no problem, I'd just paste the mail I sent to ml :) [19:40] <netrunner> I think I described it excessively there [19:40] <stf^rocklinux> th: so you'd have to use "build add-on packages" [19:40] <fake> netrunner: i must have missed that mail [19:40] <th> stf^rocklinux: oh. cool i thought they were. [19:40] <fake> netrunner: were there any reactions? [19:40] <th> stf^rocklinux: ahh you mean the import. [19:40] <th> stf^rocklinux: but the old were CORE, right [19:40] <th> ? [19:41] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes [19:41] <netrunner> fake: I now linked it. no, no reactions [19:41] <fake> netrunner: okay, thanks [19:41] <th> stf^rocklinux: so we should have at least those from ROCKCFG_LINGUA be CORE [19:41] <fake> netrunner: as always with geeks, no reaction is a good sign ;) [19:41] <netrunner> fake: I guess too much text for most people [19:41] <stf^rocklinux> th: making all kde import packages core is obviously not a good idea [19:41] <th> stf^rocklinux: no. [19:41] <fake> why not? *G* [19:42] <th> stf^rocklinux: but for some few languages [19:42] <fake> th: you racist... [19:42] <th> fake: go away [19:42] <stf^rocklinux> th: they'd have to be hardcoded, because ROCKCFG_LINGUAS is not know when pkgforking is done... [19:42] <th> stf^rocklinux: oh damn [19:42] <th> hmm [19:42] <th> so no i18n by default? [19:42] Action: fake goes away [19:43] <th> that would save us a good set of space [19:43] <th> fake: come back. contribute ;) [19:43] <fake> nooo, i want i18n in! [19:43] Action: fake just beginning the wxwidgets upgrade [19:44] <th> fake: so what shall we do? [19:45] <fake> th: de was in core [19:45] <th> if i understand this right, my current journal would remove i18n [19:45] <netrunner> still a lot of errors, but my laptop now boots again :) [19:45] <fake> th: and a few others [19:45] <th> fake: that's racism. [19:46] <fake> th: no, just reproducing clifford's racism ;-)) [19:46] <th> so do we want to hardcore some of this racism? [19:46] <fake> hardcore eacism [19:47] <th> de,es,fr,it,ru was core [19:49] <th> well [19:49] <th> it was hardcoded before [19:50] <th> lets not change this for now. [19:50] <th> stf^rocklinux: could you create an incremental patch hardcoding these langs? [19:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes [19:52] owl (n=owl@193.93.28.218) joined #rocklinux. [19:52] <th> koffice update is now runtime tested. [19:52] <owl> moin [19:57] <fake> th: n1c3 [20:00] <th> ok - so only waiting for stf's patch then i can start my journal i think [20:01] <fake> stf^rocklinux: gogogo [20:01] <th> brb in 20 minutes [20:21] <th> back [20:25] <th> dum di dum [20:25] <fake> stf^rocklinux takes his time? [20:26] <th> yea [20:26] <stf^rocklinux> sure ;) [20:26] <th> but no problem [20:26] <th> we want quality [20:26] <fake> stf^rocklinux: is modplug-xmms intended to provide a xmms plugin? [20:27] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes [20:27] <fake> stf^rocklinux: stf^rocklinux: then i broke it. [20:27] <fake> stf^rocklinux: there is a newer version of libmodplug (0.8) [20:27] <fake> https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=1275 [20:30] <stf^rocklinux> th: 2006_03_3020300717214 [20:32] <stf^rocklinux> fake: how so? with an xmms update? [20:33] <fake> stf^rocklinux: no, i updated just the version of the libmodplug download, no xmms plugin is created, just usr/lib/libmodplug.so (or so) [20:34] <fake> stf^rocklinux: (of course not in trunk, just here locally) [20:35] <stf^rocklinux> fake: the package was broken before, or so it seems. The modplugxmms tar file is never extracted or built... [20:37] <th> uh that patch is touching many files. [20:37] <th> but it applies [20:37] <th> change ROCKCFG_LINGUAS default to "de es fr it ru" [20:37] <th> + text 'Linguas (translations)' ROCKCFG_LINGUAS 'de es fr it' [20:38] <th> no ru? [20:38] <th> shall i add it? [20:38] <th> ah wait [20:38] <th> that's before applyingyour patch [20:38] <th> + text 'Linguas (translations)' ROCKCFG_LINGUAS 'de es fr it ru' [20:38] <th> i said NOTHING [20:40] <fake> stf^rocklinux: oh. hehe ;) [20:41] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I'll add a [SRC] . ;) [20:44] <stf^rocklinux> fake: or maybe you can while you're at it? [20:45] <fake> stf^rocklinux: sure [20:45] <netrunner> aah https://www.sprittwoch.de/sprittforfun/knightrider.html [20:45] <netrunner> I was looking for this page for long :) [20:46] <stf^rocklinux> fake: thanks [20:49] <fake> netrunner: this is hilarious [20:57] <netrunner> fake: you knew it? [20:57] <fake> netrunner: no, just reading a little [20:57] <netrunner> hehe [21:03] <fake> netrunner: about easterhegg: i could offer you some floor space [21:03] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/2006-03-30-journal.patch [21:03] <netrunner> fake: sufficient. need to think about it on saturday. [21:09] <th> stf^rocklinux: i must use " " for empty string in linguas? [21:11] <stf^rocklinux> th: when LINGUAS is empty, no translations will be installed, when it is unset, all will be installed [21:11] <th> stf^rocklinux: i know that [21:11] <th> stf^rocklinux: but making the string empty in config tool. makes it the default [21:11] <th> stf^rocklinux: so i have to put in at least a space for it [21:15] <stf^rocklinux> th: ok, so ROCKCFG_LINGUAS should have another special value, "none" [21:23] <th> stf^rocklinux: i totally agree [21:24] <th> but if you dont mind - let's do that in a later journal. that's not critical [21:25] <stf^rocklinux> th: ok [21:25] <th> oh well [21:25] <th> +if [ "$ROCKCFG_LINGUAS" == "all" ] ; then [21:25] <th> + unset LINGUAS [21:26] <th> that would be a simple elif, right? [21:30] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes [21:31] <th> well we dont tell the user about these possible special values. [21:31] <th> so we can add the elif when we do [21:35] <fake> libcdio depends on vcdimager, vcdimager on libcdio [22:03] <th> journal started [22:03] <th> crystal+boot [22:09] Action: daja77_ waits for pizza [22:09] <fake> grmbl [22:09] Action: fake hungry, too [22:09] <daja77_> :) [22:10] <owl> *offering pasta* [22:10] <fake> yummy... [22:10] <th> would take some [22:10] <th> owl: can you deliver? [22:10] <owl> th: nah, sorry :p [22:11] <th> what a mess [22:11] <owl> that's life ;) [22:11] <th> sucks [22:11] <fake> www.pizzamann.{at,cz,de} [22:11] <owl> O_o you have a wife... might you should ask her? ;) [22:14] <netrunner> owl: who has a wife? [22:15] <owl> netrunner: not you :) [22:15] <netrunner> owl: you? [22:15] <owl> netrunner: aaaaaaaaaaaaehm. not me! aaargh. [22:15] <owl> .oO( evil netrunner *kick* ) [22:20] <fake> owl is lesbian? [22:20] <owl> fake: aaaargh. no! [22:20] <fake> what a loss for the male world... *sigh*. [22:21] Action: stf^rocklinux sees people being whacked over the head... [22:21] Action: netrunner having sex with ms access [22:22] <owl> .oO( having sex with ms access... that must be pain! ) [22:23] <fake> latex and ms access [22:23] <fake> ... [22:25] <owl> O_o [22:31] <fake> https://www.sprittwoch.de/downloads/knightrider/fritten.mp3 [22:32] <fake> https://www.sprittwoch.de/downloads/knightrider/fritten2.mp3 [22:33] <fake> *rofl* [22:33] <fake> frrrrrrrrrrrrriten [22:34] <th> hehe [22:44] <owl> O_O [22:45] <Demian> hi [22:45] <owl> hi Demian [22:46] <Demian> Miss owl, what a pleasure to see you around. [22:46] <owl> sometimes i feel like someone really misses me ^^ [22:47] <Demian> :) [22:48] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i'm updating gpac to 0.4.0rc2 (which is newer than 0.4.0, see https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=485752) [22:48] <owl> .oO( if my ex would feel that... nah, dark thoughts, go away! ) [22:48] <fake> stf^rocklinux: so i can update x264: https://trac.videolan.org/x264/changeset/299 [22:49] <Demian> owl: so you end up with the boy.. [22:49] <fake> Demian: no, she's lesbian [22:49] <owl> Demian: no, to be exact he ended it... or something. or whatever. ^^ at least i am single now :/ [22:49] <owl> fake: aaarh, don't tell lies :) [22:50] <fake> ;-) [22:50] <daja77_> lol fake [22:50] <daja77_> and thx, i've signed all pending keys now ;) [22:50] Action: Demian thinks who would be the next victim in the owl's claws [22:50] <Demian> poor one. [22:51] <owl> heh, why 'next victim'? - at least my last relationship leasted almost 2 3/4 years... [22:51] <owl> .oO( and this idiot preferred playing games. NARF ) [22:51] <Demian> good choice. [22:52] <fake> daja77_: streber ;) [22:52] <owl> .oO( Demian wants to be killed? :) [22:52] <Demian> no, maybe the one with you desire that. [22:52] <th> love is in the air [22:52] <fake> owl: WoW or Guild Wars ? [22:52] <owl> fake: WoW... [22:52] <fake> ha! what a looser. [22:53] <owl> fake: why? [22:53] <fake> WoW sucks. Guild Wars rocks. that's why. [22:53] <owl> men .... [22:53] <owl> çould someone please explain my what are games for? [22:53] <fake> owl: i would quit my relationship for guild wars, but in my case, it's more the other way round. she's playing it more than me... [22:54] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ok, update as you like :) [22:54] <fake> stf^rocklinux: aye ;) [22:54] <owl> fake: O_O i knew that you're a strange person, but i didn't know till now, that you are that strange ^^ [22:54] <th> fake: is there a native linux client? [22:56] <fake> th: no [22:56] <fake> owl: believe, i'm even stranger. [22:56] <owl> fake is running windows? O_O [22:56] <Demian> owl: so what are you doign now, going to uni? [22:57] <fake> yes, from time to time. [22:57] <th> fake: but it works in cedega, right? [22:57] <fake> th: not sure [22:57] <fake> th: i play it on windows [22:57] <th> fake: i think i read an annoucement [22:57] <fake> th: that would be nice! [22:57] <daja77_> fake: nah i waited 9 months now ;) [22:57] <owl> Demian: aehm, no. being unemployed, doing some personal projects and hunting lots of photos, writing much, meeting friends and so. [22:57] <th> fake: well - if i'd play it with my gf than i would need two windows machines. that's inacceptable [22:57] <fake> th: ack. [22:57] <fake> th: my gf has her own laptop... [22:58] <owl> .oO( at least something ^^ hopefully it's not pink ) [22:58] <Demian> not so bad, sound funny owl. just what i am looking for at this moment.. i need a vacation now for at least one week. [22:59] <owl> Demian: yep, it is... hmm. maybe my pics are not that funny, but - aehm - at least shooting and so is fun ;) .oO( might some nice men are willed to run in front... nah, damn thoughts... :P ) [22:59] <fake> naughty owl [23:00] <fake> stf^rocklinux: gpac sucks [23:00] <owl> hah, is that not the person, i always was? *smile* [23:00] <daja77_> gpac? [23:00] <Demian> yeah.. damn thoughs! [23:00] <owl> Demian: why? :) [23:00] <fake> wxWidgets support: no [23:00] <fake> OpenGL support: no [23:01] <daja77_> .oO (i deleted a mail from my father in which he worte that he wanted to send me money as spam ) [23:01] <daja77_> fake: what are you compiling? [23:01] <th> fake: https://transgaming.org/gamesdb/games/view.mhtml?game_id=3370 [23:01] <fake> daja77_: see backlog, gpac 0.4.0rc2 [23:01] <Demian> owl: that feeling to be hunting men shooting to them.. [23:02] <daja77_> whoa am I lazy [23:02] <daja77_> lol gpac .. give peace a chance, counter strike [23:02] <fake> th: woohoo! [23:02] <owl> Demian: well. at least i shot one men, sitting in the city with an dog, playing guitar. [23:03] <Demian> yesterday i saw a movie that made me plan a new project today :) [23:03] <th> fake: and you propably know what "officially supported" means ;) [23:03] <fake> th: it means? [23:03] <daja77_> ah that reminds me, i wanted to test space civ with wine [23:03] <daja77_> erh galatic civ [23:03] <daja77_> whatever [23:04] <th> fake: that you get all of it! [23:04] <fake> sexy [23:04] <Demian> Memento, cool movie. [23:05] <daja77_> fake: have you noted my fwd number? [23:07] <fake> daja77_: no :( [23:07] <fake> daja77_: shoot [23:07] <daja77_> shoot? [23:08] shawn_work (n=spstarr@192.219.104.10) joined #rocklinux. [23:08] <shawn_work> I hope your aware that rocksclusters.org is trying to trademark Rocks(tm) for Linux [23:08] <shawn_work> I dont think they've threatened you guys? [23:09] <daja77_> i wasn't aware [23:11] <fake> how could they? prior arts [23:11] <fake> shawn_work: we're here since 1996 - or - so [23:11] <shawn_work> well heads up if they 'try', fake: I know, Rock Linux has been around along time [23:12] <fake> shawn_work: we'd sue their asses off ;) [23:12] <shawn_work> heh [23:12] <shawn_work> im sure they know of you [23:12] Demian (n=demian@201.206.44.210) left irc: "leaving" [23:15] Demian (n=demian@201.206.44.210) joined #rocklinux. [23:22] <fake> daja77_: btw - shoot = go ahead, tell me [23:23] <daja77_> ah ok [23:23] <daja77_> otherwise i'd just lookup a nazi and shoot ;) [23:23] <daja77_> hah and telling the police, fake told me [23:24] <daja77_> boy am I tired [23:42] Action: fake going home [23:42] <fake> cya [23:46] <fake> th: kde + hal is working *nicely* ! [23:46] <fake> th: especially with pmount and the user in the plugdev group [23:46] <fake> okay, now i'm off. [23:47] <th> fake: coool [23:50] <stf^rocklinux> th: btw. "X -configure" in qemu stops with a black screen, but creates a usable xorg.conf in /root [23:50] <th> oh [23:51] <th> i only noticed the blank screen [23:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: reboot and copy the xorg.conf to /etc/X11, then you should be able to "startx" [23:51] <th> hmm ok [23:51] <stf^rocklinux> th: I found out by reading the Xorg.log [23:51] <th> i did the manual config [23:52] <stf^rocklinux> th: Some time ago, my LiveCD build worked without problems in qemu... maybe it has to do with LiveCD using the fb driver for X [23:52] <th> might be [00:00] --- Fri Mar 31 2006