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[06:55] <netrunner> moin
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[08:30] <blindcoder> moin
[09:17] <fake> moin
[09:17] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[09:18] <fake> stf^rocklinux: did you read my asking you for a favour yesterday?
[09:19] <stf^rocklinux> fake: your 'fix boot without initrd' patch works here too :)
[09:19] <stf^rocklinux> fake: no...
[09:19] <stf^rocklinux> fake: what was it?
[09:20] <fake> stf^rocklinux: the build_stage1.sh of the bootdisk uses the ldd mechanism to find dependant libs
[09:20] <fake> stf^rocklinux: could you employ the readelf approach there, too?
[09:20] <fake> stf^rocklinux: so building cross-compiled bootdisks gets a little easier...
[09:21] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes, can do... sometime afternoon
[09:22] <fake> stf^rocklinux: cool
[09:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: someday I'd like to use rockinitrd for bootdisk boot code
[09:23] <fake> stf^rocklinux: ack!
[09:24] <blindcoder> *ARGH*
[09:24] <blindcoder> almost done... have to start over.... *cry*
[09:24] <fake> ?
[09:24] <blindcoder> fake: work project
[09:24] <blindcoder> been almost done with it
[09:24] <blindcoder> now noticed that a user has a typo in it
[09:24] <blindcoder> and the software is a huge PoS
[09:25] <blindcoder> and you can't rename users
[09:25] <fake> PoS ?
[09:26] <stf^rocklinux> fake: pile of socks, or something ;)
[09:26] <stf^rocklinux> I guess
[09:26] <blindcoder> Piece of Shit
[09:27] <blindcoder> well, I guess I could rename users...
[09:27] <blindcoder> with sed -e 's,oldname,newname,g' -i /dev/discs/disc0/disc
[09:27] <blindcoder> just a whole day of work >_<
[09:36] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: the sed approach sounds feasible (but why over the whole disc?)
[09:37] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: three partitions
[09:38] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: and I have no clue where windows and oracle and the customer specific application has the username stored
[09:38] <blindcoder> anyway
[09:38] <blindcoder> dd has already started
[09:58] <stf^rocklinux> <- afk
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[10:41] <netrunner> fake: don't you think that sysfiles would be a better place for device nodes?
[10:49] <fake> netrunner: i'm not sure
[10:49] <fake> netrunner: but i'd be happy to see a compelling patch
[11:02] <blindcoder> say
[11:02] <blindcoder> is there a way to get a sufficiently unique id under linux?
[11:02] <blindcoder> something like suns hostid?
[11:03] <blindcoder> (no, the hostid program from coreutils fails)
[11:03] <netrunner> blindcoder: what do you mean with 'fails'? fails your requirements?
[11:07] <blindcoder> yes
[11:07] <blindcoder> in my case it returns the eth0 IP address as hex value
[11:07] <blindcoder> which isn't sufficiently unique for my case
[11:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: on my laptop it even just returns '0'
[11:28] <fake> blindcoder: unique as to what?
[11:29] <netrunner> blindcoder: seems to be design that it tries to return ip adress of default route or so.
[11:32] <blindcoder> I want to have an opt-in method in LVP for giving feedback as to how many LVP disks one has created
[11:32] <blindcoder> so that I have a vague understanding if anyone beside me even uses this stuff :)
[11:33] <blindcoder> within that option I want to have a method to add the disk to a unique ID _or_ optionally an anonymous 'catchall' ID
[11:33] <blindcoder> in the form
[11:34] <blindcoder> curl http://lvp.crash-override.net/count.php?id=foo
[11:34] <netrunner> blindcoder: are you now a fan of M$ techniques? 
[11:35] <blindcoder> *sigh*
[11:35] <blindcoder> I knew I shouldn't have mentioned it here
[11:35] <blindcoder> netrunner: what part of "opt-in" didn't you understand?
[11:35] <netrunner> blindcoder: what do you need the id for?
[11:36] <blindcoder> to shut out stuff like 'while : ; do curl ... ; done' a bit more easily
[11:36] <netrunner> blindcoder: wonderful. I then just put a random thing there.
[11:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: better just check for source ip.
[11:37] <blindcoder> forget that I ever said anything, okay?
[11:37] <blindcoder> I'll just do something else
[11:37] <blindcoder> like ramming my head against a wall
[11:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: ey, I give constructive comments.
[11:38] <blindcoder> constructive with bashings
[11:38] <netrunner> no. I just said it's useless for the sake of preventing multiple submissions.
[11:38] <netrunner> you need a check on the server side that cannot be influenced by the client.
[11:39] <blindcoder> that's easy
[11:39] <netrunner> I had this when I made a small comment form with voting on easterhegg in munich.
[11:39] <blindcoder> since it takes time to create a LVP, there can't be more than one submission every 3-4 minutes
[11:39] <blindcoder> _but_
[11:40] <blindcoder> source IP doesn't suffice
[11:40] <blindcoder> two machines, one NAT router
[11:40] <netrunner> you always have the proxy problem. 
[11:40] <netrunner> how big is the chance that a big company has d100 dedicated employees just for building LVP? :)
[11:41] Action: blindcoder looks around
[11:41] Action: blindcoder counts
[11:41] <blindcoder> 4 machines :)
[11:41] <netrunner> but one user.
[11:41] <blindcoder> :(
[11:42] <netrunner> you can use the client ip if it is available, together with the proxy ip.
[11:42] <netrunner> but then it will be compromisable again :)
[11:44] <blindcoder> it needn't be watertight
[11:45] <netrunner> so just use remote_ip :)
[11:45] <netrunner> waterproof :)
[11:45] <fake> cpuid?
[11:45] <fake> motherboard serial?
[11:46] <netrunner> fake: all this would be client-supplied and could be fake'd.
[11:46] <blindcoder> fake: how to read using bash?
[11:47] <fake> netrunner: it's opt in. if you want something unfakeable, it gets much more complicated.
[11:47] <fake> blindcoder: lshw or so? /sys entries maybe
[11:48] Action: blindcoder goes looking
[11:49] <netrunner> fake: he just want's it to be able to count and avoid duplicates.
[11:49] <fake> you could md5 that, then it's somehow more anonymous
[11:50] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:50] <blindcoder> ( cpuid ; hostid ) | md5sum
[11:50] <blindcoder> should suffice
[11:51] <netrunner> cool. http://ledlamp.aquaphoenix.com/hardware/ledlamp/index.html
[11:55] <blindcoder> o_O
[11:55] <blindcoder> wow
[11:57] <netrunner> blindcoder: build it for me! please! :)
[11:59] <blindcoder> no
[12:01] <netrunner> :(
[12:17] <blindcoder> http://lvp.crash-override.net/latest.txt
[12:17] <blindcoder> checking for current version != running version should be enough for a check
[12:45] <blindcoder> okay
[12:45] <blindcoder> machine reinstalled
[12:45] <blindcoder> 3 hours
[12:45] <blindcoder> I'm too good
[12:46] <fake> blindcoder: i want that lamp!
[12:46] <blindcoder> fake: not only you
[12:47] <daja77_> the java lamp?
[13:33] <stf^rocklinux> re
[14:07] <fake> http://eh.cngw.org/
[14:08] <blindcoder> hehe
[14:08] <fake> they honestly expect me to pay 50 EUR without telling me what's in the package.
[14:09] <blindcoder> well, I also never knew what was in my "osternest" :)
[14:11] <daja77_> fake: i got no reply for my subscription ..
[14:11] <fake> daja77_: this sucks
[14:11] <fake> daja77_: i just wrote a reply to the 'official registration page announcement'
[14:12] <daja77_> ack
[14:24] <fake> Vortraege wird ebenfalls oeffentlich im FLUC Beisl stattfinden - dafuer
[14:24] <fake> muss niemand etwas zahlen. Der Eintritt bezieht sich auf den geschlossenen
[14:24] <fake> Bereich,
[14:24] <fake> arghl
[14:25] <clifford> fake: yo!
[14:25] Action: clifford reading your mails on the CNGW list.
[14:27] <fake> clifford: hi ;)
[14:27] <fake> i'm a bit confused.
[14:28] Nick change: daja77_ -> daja77
[14:28] <clifford> I sent a simmilar mail two days ago on the cngw members-only list
[14:28] <fake> no reply?
[14:28] <clifford> alsmot the same thing. 'program will be online in a few days, bla, bla, bla'
[14:29] <blindcoder> !> usr/bin/superkaramba: kdeutils superkaramba
[14:29] <blindcoder> sweet
[14:29] <clifford> but they told me at the 'chaostreff' last week that they finalized the program already..
[14:29] <clifford> .. maybe they need to write a pentabarf 'schitzeljagd' export function first.
[14:29] <clifford> ;-)
[14:29] <daja77> :D
[14:30] <fake> seems like i'll not be going to easterhack for another year.
[14:30] Action: fake sticks to his habits
[14:33] <netrunner> hehe, some guy of a company we buy $bigstorage from just went through the office and distributed easter eggs
[14:34] <blindcoder> good ones?
[14:34] <blindcoder> with 20 leds and 15 buttons?
[14:34] <fake> or nougat?
[14:35] <netrunner> no, in fact it was those well known ones with tension, fun and chocolate.
[14:36] <blindcoder> well
[14:36] <blindcoder> not the worst chocolate in existance
[14:36] <blindcoder> but there's definately better
[14:36] <blindcoder> damn, what's up with the weather today?
[14:37] <blindcoder> lightning, thunder, "hagel", rain, now it's sunny again
[14:37] <fake> it's april
[14:38] <blindcoder> obviously
[14:41] <clifford> afk.
[15:33] <th> *yawn*
[15:33] <th> what's with the weather?
[15:34] <th> it's perfect
[15:34] <fake> th: moin!
[15:34] <th> ;-)
[15:36] <fake> th: feel like comitting some stuff?
[15:39] <th> fake: is there some journal open from my side?
[15:40] <th> mutt
[15:40] <th> uh
[15:40] <th> bad mouse
[15:50] <fake> th: i don't know - if not, i'd commit the following journal:
[15:50] <th> fake: i'm pretty sure there's nothing pending from my side
[15:55] Action: fake searching
[15:56] <th> i committed my last journal
[15:57] <th> fake: btw - do we want to make eject setuid, so that it works from within kde?
[15:59] <fake> th: http://f4k3.net/~fake/journal.txt
[15:59] <fake> th: i would apply this
[15:59] <fake> th: setgid disk
[16:02] <fake> th: objections?
[16:02] <th> looks nice
[16:02] <th> it's a big one
[16:03] <fake> many small updates
[16:03] <fake> i left the gnome one out
[16:03] <fake> except for daja's cairo patch
[16:03] <fake> *update
[16:03] <daja77> it is compatible
[16:05] <th> fake: would you add some eject setgid?
[16:06] <daja77> this cluster is really weird
[16:07] <daja77> now playing with the itanium2
[16:08] <th> daja77: talking of that quad?
[16:09] <fake> th: either send a patch or it's in the next journal
[16:09] <daja77> this is a mixed cluster, there are xeon nodes, the quad opteron, one itanium2 smp and ultrasparcs
[16:10] <th> daja77: you dont have - by accident - knowledge about xenability?
[16:10] <th> fake: i'm sort of "out of town" until thursday
[16:10] <daja77> th: huh?
[16:11] <th> daja77: i'm seeking a SMP machine for xen hosts
[16:13] <daja77> ic
[16:14] <daja77> no idea, haven't used xen yet
[16:14] <fake> th: what's up? holidays?
[16:14] <fake> vacation?
[16:14] <fake> secret 2nd wife?
[16:15] <daja77> just convert to the right religion and it doesn't have to be a secret ;)
[16:16] <fake> man convert
[16:16] <fake> (you can even convert to PDF or FAX!)
[16:16] <fake> i want a file format that uses .god
[16:16] <fake> gems on drugs
[16:16] <th> fake: no business
[16:16] <daja77> I am a true believer in FAX
[16:17] <fake> th: so you're gonna relax?
[16:17] <fake> daja77: my religion, SMTP, is in a great war with FAX
[16:17] <th> fake: i meant: no. it's business.
[16:17] <fake> th: ah, ok. 
[16:17] <fake> th: interesting business?
[16:17] <th> fake: nope. not at all.
[16:17] <fake> :(
[16:18] <th> fake: well ok. cote d'azur ain't too bad
[16:18] <fake> o_O
[16:18] <fake> wtf?
[16:18] <fake> did i miss some porn conference?
[16:19] <th> hehe
[16:19] <daja77> fake: have you've been to any? ;)
[16:19] <fake> *whistles*
[16:19] <fake> you should really try crackattack if you don't know it yet
[16:20] <daja77> ah yeah read the patch, wanted to try yesterday but forgot about it
[16:21] <daja77> fake: that one? http://aluminumangel.org/attack/screen_shot_0.jpg
[16:21] <th> where is the "buy button" for the led lamp?
[16:22] <fake> th: :( nowhere
[16:22] <th> sucks
[16:22] <fake> daja77: ack
[16:23] <daja77> hm perhaps we should try that http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/71643
[16:26] <fake> ththththat's it
[16:50] <netrunner> fake: do you have a relatively new build?
[16:50] <netrunner> fake: could you pls verify that scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg <foo> -newdelete -dry-run works?
[16:51] <netrunner> (it lists almost all packages to me)
[16:52] <fake> netrunner: yes, wait
[16:57] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:57] <blindcoder> 5.1 sound is more fun than I thought :)
[16:58] <fake> really? what do you do?
[16:58] <blindcoder> p0rn flicks with surround sound :)
[16:58] <fake> i got it working with alsa once, but never used it afterwards due to lack of media
[16:58] <fake> URL ? ;-)
[17:00] <daja77> O_o
[17:01] <blindcoder> not that I'm gonna use it much
[17:01] <blindcoder> but it's just nice to have :)
[17:02] <fake> hm, i thought about it back then, but i couldn't find any obvious use cases
[17:03] <fake> maybe something like 'rock speech output plugin on the rear speakers, tv on the front'
[17:03] <fake> but that's about it (i tried it and it was most disturbing)
[17:04] <daja77> wow one guy consumed 40.000 ecstasy pills
[17:05] <fake> define 'pill'
[17:06] <daja77> small round thingie ...
[17:07] <daja77> 40.000 in his whole life, about 25/day
[17:07] <blindcoder> an gudan :)
[17:07] <blindcoder> an guadn :)
[17:07] <fake> boy...
[17:08] <stf^rocklinux> bbs, installing topic crystal...
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[17:11] Action: blindcoder booting windows to play a game
[17:17] <fake> which game
[17:17] <fake> ?
[17:18] <fake> netrunner: no output in a fresh build here
[17:18] <fake> s/in/for/
[17:20] <blindcoder> sudeki
[17:20] <fake> what's that?
[17:21] <fake> (i'm not surprised it sounds asian ;)
[17:22] <blindcoder> rpg
[17:22] <blindcoder> got it for 10 eur in the bargain bin
[17:23] <fake> blindcoder: do you recommend it ?
[17:23] Action: fake would enjoy a new rpg
[17:23] <fake> neverwinter night was long time ago...
[17:23] <blindcoder> can't say yet
[17:23] <fake> *nigths
[17:23] <blindcoder> just starting :)
[17:23] <blindcoder> well
[17:23] <blindcoder> it doesn't seem to understand my dvorak keyboard
[17:24] <blindcoder> so that's a point off for now
[17:24] <fake> .oO(nobody does)
[17:24] <daja77> hehe
[17:24] <blindcoder> fake: if I press ' and it reads q then it's obviously doing nasty stuff
[17:25] <fake> blindcoder: not if your ' is on the key where the q usually lives ;)
[17:26] <blindcoder> :P
[17:30] <blindcoder> nice fighting system
[17:31] <blindcoder> like star ocean second story
[17:31] <blindcoder> just in good :)
[17:49] <blindcoder> Habe Panzer, habe Schwert, kaempfe gern. Fehlen nur Aklorier zum Toeten.
[17:50] <fake> o_O?
[17:50] <blindcoder> quote from the game
[17:50] Action: fake will not share his associations with the name "Aklorier"
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[18:11] <stf^rocklinux> re
[18:14] <stf^rocklinux> someone knows how to allow a local user to connect to the local X server?
[18:15] <stf^rocklinux> I've installed xorg 6.9.0, and ran 'startx' as user (as usual) and I get an X server, but no K desktop...
[18:15] <stf^rocklinux> and the X server output says: AUDIT ... X: client 1 rejected from local host
[18:16] <stf^rocklinux> Xlib: connection to "0:0" refused by server
[18:18] <stf^rocklinux> hmm, replaced the users home directory and now it works...
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[18:19] <daja77> stf^rocklinux: xhost + localhost
[18:20] <fake> stf^rocklinux: the xauth-cookies reside in the user's home directory
[18:20] <fake> daja77: we're talking to dead people
[18:20] <daja77> yeah they don't complain ;)
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[18:37] <fake> hm, all the downloads for cliffords updates fail :(
[18:42] <fake> err
[18:42] <fake> w3m sf.net: 500 - Internal Server Error
[18:44] <stf^rocklinux> fake: what's the download address?
[18:45] <fake> stf^rocklinux: it seems more like a network problem here
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[18:45] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i can download it from another machine
[18:52] <fake> grrrr....
[18:52] <fake> damn sf
[19:08] Action: fake just added the ip of mesh.dl.sf.net to /etc/hosts for dl.sf.net and voila...
[19:18] <daja77> hehe
[20:16] <blindcoder> fake: okay, sudeki is good :)
[20:16] <blindcoder> even though the savepoint thingie is bad :(
[20:21] <blindcoder> it has tigergirls :)
[20:27] <fake> == 04/04/06 20:25:23 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc23.
[20:27] <fake> wee!
[20:27] <fake> (ppc)
[20:27] <fake> blindcoder: *harrr*
[20:38] <stf^rocklinux> fake: do you want the bootdisk/initrd patch now or after I've tested it (in ~ 2 hours)?
[20:38] <fake> stf^rocklinux: take your time
[20:39] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I basically copied blocks of mkinitrd to build_stage1.sh ...
[20:39] <fake> stf^rocklinux: perfect... if you wouldn't mind testing it, that would be great
[20:40] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I don't mind...
[20:43] <stf^rocklinux> fake: so latest test release works here. do you see any obvious bugs that should be fixed before a release?
[20:48] <stf^rocklinux> bbl
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[20:54] <fake> stf^rocklinux: the alsa-driver package must be removed
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