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[09:33] <daja77> blindcoder: just thought about your latest blog entry ;) [09:36] Action: blindcoder whistles innocently [09:37] [raphael] (n=raphael@116.151.216.81.static.upv.siw.siwnet.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:09] Nick change: Pakmanorama_ -> Pakmanorama [10:26] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-039-185.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:27] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-038-027.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:52] <daja77> .oO (daily userfriendly strip, daily dilbert strip, daily kernel release) [11:55] <nookie_> I still use 2.6.12.2 [11:55] <nookie_> when I use 2.6.15 ipw doesn't compiles correct. [11:56] <nookie_> huh [11:56] <nookie_> already 2.6.16.3 [11:56] <daja77> see [12:24] <esden> moin [12:35] <netrunner> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/04/09/ixworld.html [12:44] <nookie_> anyone of you ever smelled ammoniak? [12:45] <nookie_> https://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8794309820#ebayphotohosting [13:07] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-035-57.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-035-57.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [13:13] <stf^rocklinux> moin [13:18] <blindcoder> unameblindcoder@ceres:~$ uname -r [13:18] <blindcoder> 2.6.11.9-rock [13:19] ija_ (n=ija@84.19.218.65) joined #rocklinux. [13:28] Action: stf^rocklinux using 2.6.16.1-rock, xorg 6.9.0 and ati proprietary driver :) [13:32] ija (n=ija@84.19.218.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:34] <blindcoder> above kernel, xfree86 and nvidia proprietary driver plus ndiswrapper and ipw2100 firmware [14:09] <stf^rocklinux> kewl! Linux Weekly News lists ROCK Linux as an "also well-known" Distribution/DBK, see https://lwn.net/Distributions/ [14:11] <daja77> nice [14:17] <stf^rocklinux> hi daja [14:18] <stf^rocklinux> we still have to decide what to do with the hermes package... [14:18] <stf^rocklinux> or with the hermes gcc4 patch, to be more precise [14:19] <daja77> stf^rocklinux: iirc the old hermes worked with gcc4, no? [14:19] <daja77> if so, i'd just keep it [14:19] <stf^rocklinux> daja: no, iirc hermes never built with gcc4 [14:19] <daja77> it is needed by old clanlib and pingus only anway [14:19] <daja77> hm [14:19] <stf^rocklinux> daja: there's this tricky C array that gcc4 won't choke [14:20] <daja77> stf^rocklinux: the new on pingus say they are trying to create a release [14:21] <daja77> i think after that we don't need clanlib06 and hermes ... [14:21] <stf^rocklinux> daja: the more general problem is that we have ~50 packages which don't build with gcc4 right now, but gcc4 as default compiler [14:21] <daja77> are they all at the latest version? [14:22] <stf^rocklinux> daja: the last time I checked, they were [14:22] <daja77> do you have a list online? [14:22] <stf^rocklinux> daja: sooner or later most of them will incorporate gcc4 fixes [14:23] <stf^rocklinux> daja: sorry, don't have a list anymore, but it would probably be outdated by now anyways [14:23] <daja77> OK [14:23] <daja77> d'oh [14:28] <stf^rocklinux> daja: I just started reading "Building the whole Debian archive with GCC 4.1: a summary" (https://lwn.net/Articles/177353/) [14:29] <stf^rocklinux> daja: the output of this exercise are about 200 gcc 4.1 specific patches :) [14:31] <daja77> ^^ [14:31] <stf^rocklinux> daja: currently I'm mostly interested in building qemu on a Crystal built with gcc4 [14:32] <daja77> ic [14:32] <daja77> bug fabrice ;) [14:32] <stf^rocklinux> daja: either I find a suitable patch on the net or I'll try to make the qemu build use a gcc34 compiler (and not the gcc4 default) [14:33] <netrunner> do gcc34 compiled binaries work in a system compiled with gcc4? [14:33] <stf^rocklinux> daja: by setting CC in qemu.conf or something equivalent [14:33] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: never had problems with mixing the two [14:34] <netrunner> aha [14:35] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: afaik it's more important to use the same binutils and glibc [14:39] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: I mean "more important for binary compatibility" [14:42] <clifford> stf^rocklinux: binutils shouldn't make any difference. [14:42] <clifford> gcc version is important for C++ ABI compatibility. [14:42] <clifford> .. but I'm not sure if there were any ABI breaks in gcc3.4 -> ggc4.0 migration. [14:50] <stf^rocklinux> clifford: ok [14:52] <daja77> hi clifford [15:05] <clifford> hi daja77 [15:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: also well-known. SWEET :D [15:28] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [15:43] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.54.5) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] mnemoc (n=amery@200.73.54.5) joined #rocklinux. [16:26] <daja77> mnemoc: what happens to your conn? [16:27] <mnemoc> the new DSL line there is too noisy :( [16:27] Action: clifford hates grub2.. [16:28] <clifford> root [16:28] <clifford> oops [16:28] <th> i loved the prior grub [16:34] <[raphael]> clifford: compiled C++ binaries are not compatible between gcc34 and gcc4 [16:36] <daja77> qemu is no c++ fortunately ;) [16:50] Action: clifford downgrading grub .. [16:52] <daja77> it is easy to make a lot of people happy ;) [17:07] <clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/?mode=patch&uid=2006041117050726972 [17:07] <fake> moin [17:08] <fake> clifford: ack! [17:08] <daja77> hi fake [17:08] Action: fake back in town [17:09] <clifford> *lol* [17:11] <daja77> th: the clamav security warning from suse came two hours ago ;) [17:14] <th> daja77: nice [17:25] <fake> did anyone test $topic? [17:35] <fake> i get svn commit mails, but no 'sm applied' mails? [17:52] <clifford> fake: a bug in the new smadm.cgi, fixed. [17:53] <fake> clifford: can you apply the ppc stuff while you're at it? [17:53] <fake> clifford: or... wait. [17:53] <fake> clifford: i'll need to test it on an x86 build first [17:54] <fake> though yaboot doesn't matter, and the xorg patch is surrounded by #ifdef __powerpc__ [17:54] <fake> *the part of the file in xorg i changed in the patch [17:55] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I installed $topic on a second partition, but haven't booted it yet [17:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: oh. [17:55] <fake> stf^rocklinux: please also test booting without an initrd [17:55] Action: daja77 needs more testmachines [17:56] Action: fake needs more time [17:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: will do [17:56] <fake> stf^rocklinux: cool [17:57] <daja77> fake: 48h days? [17:58] <fake> daja77: as long as there are still 7 in a week and 52 weeks per year, sure, why not ;) [17:58] <daja77> :) [18:06] <blindcoder> fake: ping [18:08] <blindcoder> anyone else here know how to force mksquashfs to create a squashfs filesystem version 2.[01] or 1.x? [18:13] <blindcoder> nevermind [18:13] <blindcoder> just downgraded squashfs-tools [18:19] <fake> here [18:20] Action: daja77 checking xscreensaver version [18:21] <fake> clifford: thanks! [18:22] <daja77> hah! we are not affected [18:24] Action: fake updated xscreensave not too long ago [18:25] <daja77> fake: ubuntu ships 4.16 with a critical bug that was fixed in 2004 ... [18:25] <fake> *rolls eyes* [18:29] <blindcoder> fake: see my question above [18:29] <fake> blindcoder: there should be an option for mksquashfs [18:30] <blindcoder> fake: well, I didn't find it [18:30] <blindcoder> at least not in the 3.0 version [18:30] <fake> it was there in 2.0... still at your livecd? [18:30] <blindcoder> fake: yeah [18:31] <blindcoder> fake: currently writing them [18:31] <blindcoder> fake: and the linuxrc couldn't mount it [18:31] <blindcoder> fake: because the squashfs was version 3.0 [18:31] <blindcoder> fake: but the livecd only supports up to squashfs version 2.1 [18:31] <blindcoder> brb, testing the latest cd [18:32] <fake> blindcoder: sigh. sorry... [18:37] <blindcoder> okay, almost there [18:37] <blindcoder> fake: why are the files I put into the 2nd_stage's 'root directory' not available after I boot the livecd? [18:37] <blindcoder> fake: they are in /mnt/cowfs_ro and in /mnt/cowfs_rw [18:37] <blindcoder> fake: but not in / [18:38] <fake> blindcoder: because they're not link to to / ? [18:38] <fake> *linked [18:39] <blindcoder> yes [18:39] <blindcoder> why? [18:39] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: you could place the files in a subdirectory of the root directory [18:39] <fake> it's done in linuxrc.sh, around line 230 [18:40] <fake> blindcoder: prepare_root() [18:40] <fake> no, it isn't [18:40] <fake> damn, who wrote that shit [18:41] <blindcoder> linuxrc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable [18:41] <stf^rocklinux> fake: if you mean the latest livecd update, that's me ;) [18:41] <daja77> wtf? why is sm instant not opening an editor for the commit message [18:41] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i was referring to me, so, sorry ;-) [18:42] <fake> daja77: .svnrc file with a default message of '.' ? ;-) [18:42] <blindcoder> fake: linuxrc is a ELF binary here [18:42] <fake> blindcoder: argh... [18:42] <fake> blindcoder: right, of course it is [18:43] <fake> for d in etc home bin sbin opt usr tmp var lib ; do [18:43] <fake> ln -s /mnt/cowfs_rw/$d $d [18:43] <fake> ln -s /mnt/cowfs_ro/$d mnt/cowfs_rw/$d [18:43] <fake> done [18:43] <fake> build_stage1.sh [18:43] <blindcoder> humm [18:43] <blindcoder> why not just symlink everything? [18:44] <daja77> fake: and it created an empty patch .. weird [18:44] <fake> daja77: then either 'filterdiff' (from patchutils or diffutils, i always forget) is missing, or you didn't change anything *g* [18:45] <daja77> i didn't [18:45] <daja77> in my setup [18:45] <daja77> but I updated pspresent ... [18:45] <stf^rocklinux> fake: np :) [18:45] <fake> and svn st shows modified files? [18:46] <blindcoder> okay, I hope this'll be the last test [18:46] <blindcoder> but things are looking good [18:46] <blindcoder> I changed isolinux.cfg [18:46] <blindcoder> I fixed the last few bugs in my clone scripts [18:46] <blindcoder> so everything should be fine :) [18:46] <daja77> fake: no [18:46] <fake> daja77: then nothing changed compared to svn [18:46] <daja77> yes but i don't see why [18:46] <fake> or you ran svn commit somewhen - can you check with svn log pspresent.desc or so? [18:47] <blindcoder> fake: we should really add scripts 'unpackiso' 'packiso' to the livecd [18:47] <daja77> interesting sm made an empty commit [18:47] <blindcoder> fake: these mkisofs calls are _terrible_ [18:49] <daja77> have to go [18:49] <daja77> cu [18:49] <fake> bye daja77 ! [18:49] <fake> blindcoder: i'd be very interested in these scripts, too. [18:50] <daja77> pspresent works now on the laptop so I can give my talk tomorrow [18:50] <daja77> :) [18:50] <fake> talk about last minute... ;) [18:58] <blindcoder> fake: unpackiso.sh created [18:58] <blindcoder> fake: as of now, it assumes that everything works fine :) [18:58] maffro (n=furby@n156.dkm.cz) joined #rocklinux. [18:58] <maffro> hi folks [18:59] <blindcoder> hi maffro [18:59] <maffro> Please excuse me whilst I lurk :-) [19:00] Action: blindcoder excuses maffro [19:00] <blindcoder> fake: I'll polish it a bit, create the packiso.sh complement, and send it to the mailinglist for further discussion [19:01] <th> hmmmm how would i update to $topic version? [19:02] <th> with binary packages [19:02] <th> just extracting the new gems would keep old files i guess [19:03] <blindcoder> brb, testing again [19:10] <blindcoder> Can't access 2nd stage init: no such file or directory [19:10] <blindcoder> this looks _BAD_ [19:11] <blindcoder> ah [19:11] <blindcoder> wrong call to mksquashfs [19:12] <blindcoder> though I don't know how I triggered it [19:13] maffro (n=furby@n156.dkm.cz) left irc: "changing servers" [19:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: updating packages with mine will keep modified files and update all others [19:19] <stf^rocklinux> th: 'mine' however will miss files that are in the old but not in the new package [19:19] <stf^rocklinux> th: you'd have to mine -r each package before installing to do a 'clean' update [19:19] <th> doing that manually sucks [19:19] <th> hmm [19:19] <th> cause after mine -r * i would not have mine ;) [19:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: yeah, it's a known bug in 'mine' [19:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: of course you can't do that with a running system ^^ [19:21] <th> but i want to ;) [19:21] <th> i want to update the running system [19:22] <stf^rocklinux> th: then just use mine -i, I suppose there aren't many files that 'disappeared' in newer-version packages [19:22] <stf^rocklinux> th: ... if any [19:22] <th> hmm [19:22] <th> might be true [19:23] <blindcoder> fake: packiso.sh also looking good ;) [19:23] <stf^rocklinux> th: it's more of a cosmetic problem afaics [19:23] Action: blindcoder off hunting [19:23] <blindcoder> brb [19:24] <th> stf^rocklinux: i think it's not cosmetic to have old files in place. [19:24] <th> mine should have an update option which removes non-modified files which dont exist in new version [19:26] <stf^rocklinux> th: clifford suggested that mine places 'obsolete' files in ':purgeme' packages during updates so they can be removed easily [19:26] <th> that would be cool [19:27] <th> i think that would be the best solution [19:27] <th> and even putting modified files in a :modified package sounds good to me [19:31] <stf^rocklinux> th: hmm, :modified packages would be difficult to keep up-to-date [19:31] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'll try to add :purgeme packages to mine, let's see how easily it can be done [19:32] <th> that would rock [19:36] <SMP> yeah, something like that should be done [19:40] <blindcoder> re [19:42] <blindcoder> hmm [19:42] <blindcoder> it version 2.2-r2 mksquashfs doesn't behave as it is documented [19:42] <blindcoder> mksquashfs <directory> 2nd_stage.img.z [19:42] <blindcoder> creates a 2nd_stage.img.z looking like this: [19:43] <blindcoder> <directory> [19:43] <blindcoder> |-bin [19:43] <blindcoder> |-etc [19:43] <blindcoder> and so on [19:44] <blindcoder> so you have to type [19:44] <blindcoder> mksquashfs <directory>/* 2nd_stage.img.z [19:44] <blindcoder> to get what the livecd expects [19:59] <blindcoder> testing again [20:03] <blindcoder> YAY [20:04] <blindcoder> finally it works like I want it to :) [20:12] <blindcoder> now the only drawback is that I have to wait for the mksquashfs to finish for changing exactly one byte before writing the next CD [20:57] treo (n=xfman@L3fb8.l.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:58] treo (n=xfman@L3fb8.l.pppool.de) left #rocklinux ("und wech ..."). [21:44] <blindcoder> fake: ping [22:04] <blindcoder> almost forgot to put the link into the mail... [22:17] Action: daja77 applauds blindy for his scripts [22:18] <blindcoder> ^^ [22:18] Action: blindcoder bows humbly [22:18] <daja77> now we need a wallpaper outside the image and stuff like that .. [22:19] <blindcoder> your turn :) [22:19] <daja77> :) [23:10] [raphael] (n=raphael@116.151.216.81.static.upv.siw.siwnet.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [23:24] <th> https://gd.tuwien.ac.at/opsys/linux/ROCK/ROCK-2.1/ [23:24] <th> some problem with that mirror? [23:33] <stf^rocklinux> th: "This subdirectory is currently empty. [23:33] <stf^rocklinux> Let me know in case you think it should't be. Tks. [23:33] <stf^rocklinux> th: seems so [23:36] <stf^rocklinux> th: btw. 'obsolete files feature' of mine basically works :) [23:37] <th> cooool [23:37] <th> i wanna test that [23:38] <th> i would try to update even kde from /opt/kde to /usr ;) [23:38] <th> that should have many "obsolete" files [23:41] <stf^rocklinux> th: I need some more time to clean it up (like half an hour) [23:49] <th> stf^rocklinux: no problem [23:54] Pakmanorama (n=Pakman@dsl-58-6-116-144.qld.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:59] Pakmanorama (n=Pakman@dsl-210-15-200-169-static.QLD.netspace.net.au) joined #rocklinux. [00:00] --- Wed Apr 12 2006