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[08:05] <blindcoder> moin
[08:21] <netrunner> moin
[08:24] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: may I suggest :old or so? not that someone has the funny idea and just removes them, which would break other packages that still link against a previous version of a library
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[10:35] <th> blindcoder: ping
[10:38] <blindcoder> th: pong
[10:38] <th> blindcoder: where can i get a jo from?
[10:38] <blindcoder> th: a jo?
[10:38] <th> you dont have jo's at kendo?
[10:39] <th> i thought you would
[10:39] <blindcoder> we have a dojo
[10:39] <blindcoder> but jo...
[10:39] <blindcoder> I don't know what that should be
[10:39] <th> ahh but you have the bokken
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[10:40] <blindcoder> yes
[10:40] <blindcoder> the bokken and the shinai
[10:40] <blindcoder> the bokken is massive wood in sword-form
[10:40] <blindcoder> the shinai is 4 parts of bamboo or acceptable substitute
[10:41] <blindcoder> www.kendo-sport.de
[10:41] <blindcoder> www.kendo24.de
[10:41] <blindcoder> I have very good experience with kendo-sport
[10:43] <th> only in german wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8D
[10:46] <blindcoder> *click*
[10:47] <blindcoder> ah, I see
[10:47] <blindcoder> I don't know where you could get one of these, sorry
[10:48] <th> yea - your shop is pretty kendo specific ;)
[11:03] <blindcoder> away gone
[11:04] <blindcoder> *grunt*
[11:29] <blindcoder> has anyone tried the {un,}packiso.sh scripts?
[12:18] <daja77_> is this intentionally that the kde prefix is set to usr and not to /usr?
[12:19] <mnemoc> $root/$prefix ?
[12:20] <daja77_> ah ok
[12:23] <mnemoc> :)
[12:24] <daja77_> yep works this way
[12:25] <daja77_> just had to adjust the prefix for kde on the home system so that I can build some packages
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[14:18] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[14:18] <blindcoder> moin moin
[14:19] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: feel free to suggest any name you like (preferably in the form of a SubMaster patch :) )
[14:25] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: using :old instead of :purgeable sound reasonable to me
[14:28] <netrunner> stf^rocklinux: sorry, no time for patching around.
[14:38] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: maybe just add a comment to the patch
[14:41] <th> s/purgeable/old/ sounds fine.
[14:41] <th> s/purgeable/obsolete/ might be more precise.
[14:47] <stf^rocklinux> th: obsolete doesn't exactly fit with netrunner's example where some old shared library is affected
[14:48] <stf^rocklinux> th: the shared library might be replaced with a newer version but still be used
[14:49] <th> yes. true.
[14:49] <th> ok.
[14:49] <th> agreed.
[14:49] <th> but even old would be not correct
[14:49] <th> if i downgrade to an older version
[14:49] <th> then the newer thing would be in old.
[14:50] <th> so it's more a :prior_package
[14:53] <stf^rocklinux> th: indeed
[14:55] <daja77_> latest linux is -.-
[14:57] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe call it leftover, remains, remnants or the like?
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[14:58] <daja77_> legacy ^^
[15:00] <stf^rocklinux> daja: that's a good one.
[15:02] <stf^rocklinux> daja: legacy fits the purpose of the package quite nicely imo
[15:03] Action: stf^rocklinux just looked up the german translation of 'legacy' at http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de
[15:05] <daja77_> :)
[15:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: you agree?
[15:18] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: and you?
[15:18] <th> legacy sounds good
[15:20] <netrunner> what? where? Me? 
[15:21] <netrunner> oh.
[15:21] Action: netrunner still likes 
[15:22] <netrunner> :old. it's shorter and means the same. and does not need to be looked up in a dictionary first.
[15:22] <th> that has some point
[15:23] <daja77_> legacy is what other distros call their old stuff
[15:24] <blindcoder> we're no distro, let's call it :old :P
[15:24] <daja77_> :D
[15:25] <th> legacy fits
[15:25] <th> old fits as well but is less exact
[15:25] <th> prior_package just stinks.
[15:26] <clifford> yep, legacy fits
[15:26] <clifford> hi btw ;-)
[15:26] <th> hi cliff
[15:26] <daja77_> hi clifford 
[15:26] <blindcoder> moin clifford 
[15:26] <blindcoder> clifford: you're opinion on {un,}packiso.sh?
[15:26] <daja77_> hope to see you on the weekend
[15:26] <blindcoder> work some more on it or wipe it from existance?
[15:27] <stf^rocklinux> bbs
[15:28] <clifford> blindcoder: {un,}packiso.sh?
[15:28] <blindcoder> *grunz*
[15:28] <blindcoder> clifford: the scripts I posted to rock-devel some days ago
[15:28] <blindcoder> Subject: [rock-devel] scripts for packing and unpacking the livecd
[15:29] <clifford> oh! seam to have a problem with my mutt..
[15:29] <daja77_> blindcoder: i can test them after easter stuff i guess ..
[15:29] <blindcoder> you don't pet it enough
[15:29] <clifford> 4 new messages in that folder but 'c' did not bring it up ..
[15:29] <daja77_> clifford: you switched from pine? ;)
[15:29] <blindcoder> daja77_: that'd be great
[15:29] <th> clifford: so it's not in your `mailboxes`
[15:30] <clifford> daja77_: already 1 or 2 years ago.
[15:30] <blindcoder> mailboxes ` find ~/Mail/ -type f`
[15:30] <clifford> th: it is in my `mailboxes`
[15:30] <th> hmm
[15:30] <clifford> .. and usually it works fine.
[15:30] <blindcoder> clifford: it only brings it up if atime <= mtime
[15:30] <th> blindcoder: you use files as your mailboxes?
[15:31] <blindcoder> th: sure
[15:31] <th> *shiver*
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[15:31] <blindcoder> th: and dovecot to serve them via IMAPS
[15:31] <th> blindcoder: never heared of maildir?
[15:31] <blindcoder> th: rumors, only rumors :)
[15:32] <blindcoder> th: besides, all my scripts are assuming mboxes
[15:32] <blindcoder> th: and I'm too lazy to change them
[15:33] <clifford> blindcoder: I do not do anything with the livecd - so I have no oppinion on this..
[15:33] <blindcoder> okay
[15:34] <blindcoder> okay, gotta finish some windows pcs now
[15:34] <blindcoder> bbl
[15:45] <blindcoder> re
[15:45] <blindcoder> done
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[16:40] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: btw. I think most computer users are familiar with the term 'legacy',  I looked it up to see if all of it's meanings more or less match the purpose of the package
[17:50] <fake> ack @legacy
[18:06] <fake> has anyone registered us for the linuxtag yet?
[18:07] <fake> oh
[18:07] <fake> forget it. registration is over.
[18:11] <daja77_> boy that sucks isn't there any easy too use ripping and burning tool to create mp3 cds 
[18:13] <fake> can't k3b do it?
[18:15] <daja77_> k3b can't encode audio to mp3
[18:16] <fake> lame ?
[18:18] <daja77_> yeah sure
[18:18] <daja77_> just wanted to do it quickly ;)
[18:19] <netrunner> daja77_: k3b can do it.
[18:19] <netrunner> daja77_: I always directly burn mp3 with k3b
[18:20] <daja77_> netrunner: i wanted to do_ cd -> mp3 -> cd 
[18:20] <netrunner> daja77_: I use ripperX for cd->mp3 and then k3b for mp3->cd
[18:21] <daja77_> *building
[18:29] <daja77_> really interesting to see how many programs just suck when the audio cd drive is not /dev/cdrom ...
[18:33] <daja77_> aynway
[18:33] <daja77_> off now
[18:37] <stf^rocklinux> bbl
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[19:06] <th> hmm we are still missing some kde pam things, i think
[19:06] <th> the "administrative mode" in Kontrolcenter asks for password and does not accept root password
[19:11] <fake> th: are you in the wheel group?
[19:11] <fake> th: otherwise it won't work
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[19:44] <ceegee> hello
[19:44] <fake> hi ceegee
[19:48] <ceegee> I just installed crystal rock, so far so good, but when it boots up, I see two errors: RTNETLINK answers: File exists and microcode_ctl: cannot open /dev/misc/microcode for writing errno=2 (No such file or directory)
[19:49] <ceegee> it wants me to logon to the mainenance console
[19:49] <ceegee> looks not right, nor?
[19:49] <ceegee> by the way ... hello fake :-)
[19:51] <fake> ceegee: the 2 errors can be ignored
[19:51] <ceegee> okay
[19:51] <fake> ceegee: the first is because the loopback interface is set up twice
[19:52] <fake> ceegee: the 2nd due to a missing symlink for the microcode device. if you don't have a processor affected by bugs fixed in microcode, it doesn't matter.
[19:52] <fake> ceegee: if you don't like the maintenance console, try alt+f{1-6} ;-)
[19:52] <ceegee> but my network interface doesnt come up at boot time
[19:53] <ceegee> I configured it in /etc/network/config
[19:53] <ceegee> the manual way works
[19:55] <fake> ceegee: then you may want to try a little harder - i'm not into rocknet at all...
[19:56] <ceegee> okay
[19:57] <ceegee> ahhhh
[19:58] <ceegee> network is not enabled in rc2
[19:58] <ceegee> what command is used to manage runlevels in rock linux?
[20:00] <fake> stone -> System Init Configuration and Runlevel Configuration
[20:01] <ceegee> stonr
[20:01] <ceegee> stone
[20:01] <ceegee> yes
[20:01] <ceegee> :)
[20:01] <ceegee> nice
[20:04] <th> fake: yes i was in the wheel group. su works.
[20:06] <fake> th: weird...
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[21:41] <blindcoder> re
[21:43] <blindcoder> we should _definately_ rename the maintenance console
[21:44] <fake> jep
[21:58] Action: daja77_ packing
[21:58] <blindcoder> who? for what/
[21:59] <daja77_> me, my stuff to drive to vienna
[21:59] <blindcoder> ah
[21:59] <blindcoder> well, I'm gonna pack tomorrow morning
[21:59] <blindcoder> for my trip to Ingolstadt, where I'll be consuming lots of booze with esden, martina and whoever else comes around
[22:07] Action: fake will be busy drinking with daja ;)
[22:16] Action: fake setting up his qube2
[22:18] <blindcoder> qube2?
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[23:09] <fake> blindcoder: mips hardware
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