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[08:16] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:48] <esden> moin
[11:12] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[11:52] <fake> moin
[11:57] <blindcoder> moin fake 
[11:58] <blindcoder> thinkgeek-thermo-pots with caffeeine molecule printed on them rule :D
[11:58] <blindcoder> forgot my coffee an hourl ago
[11:59] <blindcoder> it's still warm enough to be enjoyable
[11:59] <blindcoder> and hot enough to burn my tongue *ouch*
[12:04] <daja77_> hi fake 
[12:05] <fake> hi daja77_ !
[12:21] <blindcoder> moin daja77_ 
[12:21] <blindcoder> daja77_: did you find out how the live bookmark or whatever works?
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[13:09] Action: blindcoder feels ignored :(
[13:14] Action: mnemoc hugs blindcoder 
[13:16] <blindcoder> thanks, I needed that
[13:16] <blindcoder> now I'm ready to go back to work :)
[13:16] <blindcoder> bbl
[13:16] <mnemoc> cu :)
[13:44] <daja77_> blindcoder: no
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[17:01] <blindcoder> *grunt*
[17:01] <blindcoder> it seems rockinitrd isn't broken after all
[17:02] <blindcoder> rather my installed udev version is too old
[17:05] <th> well - i say initrd is obsolete ;_
[17:07] <blindcoder> and initramfs is inferior to initrd
[17:07] <blindcoder> oh great
[17:08] <blindcoder> now udev is too new for rockinitrd
[17:10] <blindcoder> maybe it works anyway *crossfingers*
[17:15] <blindcoder> indeed works
[17:18] <th> blindcoder: want to see my work on initramfs?
[17:18] <th> blindcoder: http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/mkinitramfs.txt
[17:20] <blindcoder> daja77_: Manage Bookmarks -> File -> New LiveBookmark
[17:20] <daja77_> ah
[17:21] <blindcoder> th: can you give me the instructions forr the crazy and lazy (ie: me)?
[17:22] <blindcoder> daja77_: no offense, but it took me about thirty seconds to figure out
[17:23] <daja77_> well i haven't really focused ..
[17:24] <blindcoder> I see
[17:24] <th> blindcoder: sure that's in the txt file
[17:24] <th> * apply 2006041801092016294 (updates udev to 090) and rebuild your udev package
[17:24] <th> * copy http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/hotplug.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/
[17:24] <th> * extract mkinitramfs.tar.bz2
[17:24] <th> * run ./mkinitramfs/mkinitramfs.sh
[17:25] <daja77_> livemark failed ..
[17:26] <blindcoder> th: that's all? no kernel source or anything needed?
[17:26] <th> blindcoder: you need no kernel source for it
[17:26] <th> blindcoder: you need a "$something/lib/modules/`uname -r`/"
[17:27] <th> only IF you want to have module sin it
[17:27] <th> all modules are copied.
[17:27] <th> and loaded automatically
[17:27] <th> depending on e.g. pci-id's
[17:27] <blindcoder> th: so is linux/Documentation/filesystems/initramfs.txt wrong?
[17:27] <th> why?
[17:28] <th> i dont have that file
[17:29] <blindcoder> filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt
[17:29] <th> which part?
[17:29] <th> the CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE thing?
[17:29] <th> that's for linking the cpio directly into the kernel image
[17:30] <th> we dont need this.
[17:30] <th> we can pass it just as initrd to the bootloader
[17:30] <blindcoder>   - The old initrd was a separate file, while the initramfs archive is linked
[17:30] <blindcoder>     into the linux kernel image.  (The directory linux-*/usr is devoted to
[17:30] <blindcoder>     generating this archive during the build.)
[17:30] <th> "initramfs archive is linked" is wrong. it should read "initramfs archive can be linked"
[17:30] <th> alternativ is to pass it through the initrd mechanism through bootloader
[17:31] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[17:31] <blindcoder> so it really is just mkfs vs. cpio?
[17:31] <daja77_> blindcoder: you should add an encoding parameter
[17:31] <daja77_> perhaps that's why it doesn't work
[17:31] <th> blindcoder: you should take a minute and look at that tar.bz2
[17:31] <blindcoder> daja77_: yes, it seems that FF doesn't understand 0.91 well
[17:32] <th> btw - mkinitramfs works as unprivileged user.
[17:32] <blindcoder> th: I don't really have time to dig through that amount of code right onw
[17:32] <th> blindcoder: that amount?
[17:33] <th> let me just paste the complete udev initialization:
[17:33] <th> mount -t tmpfs none /dev
[17:33] <th> udevd --daemon
[17:33] <th> udevtrigger
[17:33] <th> udevsettle
[17:33] <th> EOF
[17:33] <blindcoder> I see three directories, 10kB of C code of several more shell code
[17:33] <th> 10kb of c code is the files stolen from linux kernel to CREATE the cpio archive.
[17:33] <th> you dont need to look at this at all
[17:34] <th> files/init.d is worth a look
[17:34] <th> that's 446 bytes in total
[17:34] <th> perhaps another 204 bytes for linuxrc.sh
[17:34] <blindcoder> I sure hope that's just a proof of concept
[17:34] <th> why?
[17:35] <th> i even use it for my LVM boots already
[17:35] <blindcoder> eval `cat /proc/cmdline`
[17:35] <th> well we could remove that line - we dont really need the real_root= option
[17:36] <th> but anyhow - do you think attackers could exploit that?
[17:36] <blindcoder> for getting kernel paramaters of the name=value form, read /target/lvp/x86/initrd/keymap
[17:36] <th> when you are able to change the kernel-command line then you wont insert malicious code 
[17:36] <th> i liked the eval `cat /proc/cmdline`
[17:36] <th> for x in `cat /proc/cmdline` ; do
[17:37] <th> haha
[17:37] <blindcoder> no, but what about this:
[17:37] <blindcoder> linux devfs=nocompat 5
[17:37] <blindcoder> so?
[17:37] <blindcoder> with the above line, your code will spit an error message
[17:37] <blindcoder> with mine, it won't
[17:38] <blindcoder> blindcoder@crazyhorse:~$ eval 'a=b 5'
[17:38] <blindcoder> bash: 5: command not found
[17:38] <blindcoder> or consider this:
[17:38] <blindcoder> linux devfs=nocompat debug
[17:38] <blindcoder> same thing
[17:39] <th> ok. point taken. i'll remove the line.
[17:40] <blindcoder> :)
[17:40] <blindcoder> so, for the user side it's really just the same if I say
[17:40] <blindcoder> # mkinitrd
[17:40] <blindcoder> or
[17:40] <th> yes
[17:40] <blindcoder> # mkinitramfs
[17:40] <blindcoder> correct?
[17:40] <th> mkinitramfs.sh for now.
[17:41] <blindcoder> then where is my mkinitramfs package? :)
[17:41] <blindcoder> rockramfs :)
[17:41] <th> * run ./mkinitramfs/mkinitramfs.sh
[17:41] <th> not yet created.
[17:41] <th> this is only a p-o-c ;)
[17:41] <blindcoder> btw, our initrd does not return to the kernel
[17:41] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:42] <th> "does not return to the kernel"?
[17:43] <blindcoder> wel, according to the text file above (rootfs-*) the initrd should return control to the kernel
[17:43] <blindcoder> so as I see it we would already have everything we need in our initrd
[17:43] <blindcoder> and alll that's left to do is practically change the mkfs call to the gen_cpio call
[17:44] <th> they are not interchangable.
[17:44] <blindcoder> what's the big difference?
[17:45] <th> gen_init_cpio reads a list of inodes.
[17:47] <blindcoder> yes?
[17:48] <th> yes.
[17:48] <th> and it must contain all directories.
[17:49] <th> basically the mkinitramfs is much more readable then current rockinitrd
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[17:50] Action: blindcoder .oO( it used to be very readable 0
[17:50] <th> i missed that stage of it
[17:52] <blindcoder> th: it was before everyone and their dog started messing with it
[17:52] <blindcoder> around the time it used to be in package/blindcoder
[17:53] <blindcoder> daja77_: this is strange
[17:54] <blindcoder> daja77_: the blog.crash-override.net rss feed works fine
[17:54] <blindcoder> daja77_: the makemyrss feed doesn't
[17:54] <th> tfile=${targetdir}/${target}${f#${file}}
[17:54] <blindcoder> daja77_: even though they are syntacticaly identical
[17:54] <th> that's not readable
[17:54] <blindcoder> th: as I said
[17:54] <blindcoder> before everyone started messing with it
[17:54] <th> blindcoder: that's your code
[17:54] <blindcoder> I can't remember writing that code
[17:54] <th> svn blame does.
[17:55] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:55] <blindcoder> maybe it is
[17:55] <blindcoder> still it's not hard to read :P
[17:55] <th> well. it's not only about readability it's also about how the readability changes when other people contribute to it.
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[17:56] <daja77_> blindcoder: you don't have an encoding specified
[17:56] <blindcoder> th: noe
[17:56] <blindcoder> th: that's only the part I cleaned up already
[17:56] <blindcoder> mine looked like this
[17:56] <blindcoder>                 mkdir -p $targetdir/${target%/*}
[17:56] <blindcoder>                 cp $file $targetdir/$target
[17:56] <blindcoder> daja77_: so? neither do i have in /rss.php
[17:57] <daja77_> hm
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[17:57] <daja77_> blindcoder: but perhaps you don't have utf8 chars in it
[17:58] <blindcoder> that might very well be
[17:58] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:58] <blindcoder> akregator reads them just fine ._<
[18:00] <daja77_> so perhaps they break it unless you specify encoding=utf8, like the original rss does
[18:00] <blindcoder> let's try
[18:07] <blindcoder> cool, now akregator doesn't read it anymore, either
[18:10] <daja77_> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
[18:10] <daja77_> ah ok
[18:10] <daja77_> hm
[18:16] <blindcoder> I don't get it
[18:17] <daja77_> blindcoder: what if you just rename it to sth with .xml in the end=
[18:18] <blindcoder> the same
[18:18] <blindcoder> the funny thing is
[18:18] <blindcoder> it doesn't validate in feedvalidator.org
[18:18] <blindcoder> and I don't understand the error
[18:19] <daja77_> link?
[18:20] <blindcoder> http://feedvalidator.org
[18:24] <daja77_> looks like you can't use html markup in <description> tag, + there are some weird conversions in it
[18:24] <daja77_> < is converted e.g.
[18:25] <daja77_> look at the areas that are marked yellow
[18:26] <blindcoder> so should it be &amp;gt;?
[18:26] <daja77_> guess it should be <
[18:28] <daja77_> line 57, column 198
[18:28] <blindcoder> seems to be the case, strange enough
[18:29] <daja77_> ah onlyone error left
[18:29] <blindcoder> that's fefe's broken html
[18:30] <daja77_> guess it should be <a href="..
[18:30] <blindcoder> yes
[18:33] <daja77_> one regex for all, so far I can see ;)
[18:39] <daja77_> have to go now
[18:42] <blindcoder> line 12, column 29: Undefined description element: a (13 occurrences) [help]
[18:42] <blindcoder> yay...
[19:06] <blindcoder> okay, I don't get why FF doesn't like them
[19:06] <blindcoder> it doesn't say why
[19:06] <blindcoder> akregator reads them
[19:06] <blindcoder> I'm content with that
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