[00:07] <ringo> moin
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[07:24] <blindcoder> moin
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[11:07] <esden> moin
[11:40] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[12:55] <daja77> i am shocked, no new kernel release
[13:00] <th> slackers
[13:11] <blindcoder> heh
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[15:49] <fake> moin
[16:18] <fake> wooo bist duuuu meeein soooooooonnenliiiiicht
[16:18] <fake> ich vermiiiiisseeeee diiiiisch
[16:18] <fake> >_<
[16:21] <th> fake: dont drink and irc.
[16:22] <daja77> fake: i am here :>
[16:22] <daja77> cnr
[16:23] <fake> ich reeeeheeespeeeektier nur diiiiisch... 
[16:23] <fake> ich vermisse deinem aaaaaten
[16:23] <fake> *rofl*
[16:23] <daja77> hehe
[16:24] <daja77> perhaps he got drunk from it
[16:26] <fake> no
[16:26] <fake> i'm 100% sober
[16:28] <daja77> what a pity
[16:31] <blindcoder> re
[16:31] <blindcoder> th: ping
[16:31] <th> blindcoder: pong
[16:31] <blindcoder> th: before I'm going to snap: what is it you don't like about current rockinitrd and why do you think it needs changing?
[16:32] <th> blindcoder: i just needed a initramfs to boot one of my systems. so i quick-created one...
[16:33] <th> blindcoder: then i needed to change it a bit. and did some scripts
[16:33] <th> and then i thought... hey another 15 minutes and this could be even more cool
[16:33] <th> i did not plan to do it for rock but only as a quick-n-dirty solution
[16:33] <th> but it looked pretty cool
[16:33] <th> so i polished it further
[16:33] <th> and i think the result is pretty slick
[16:34] <th> i dont insist on changing the current way
[16:34] <th> but i have this thing - and we could try it.
[16:34] <blindcoder> th: I meant that question wrt. the line you posted yesterday
[16:34] <th> for example loopback devices
[16:34] <th> and it lacks modularity
[16:35] <th> like the build.d/ directory in my approach
[16:35] <th> the current approach is about filesystems
[16:35] <blindcoder> modularity?
[16:35] <blindcoder> ehm...
[16:35] <th> we dont need any filesystem
[16:36] <blindcoder> you know, I have this nice little way of creating initrd plugins...
[16:36] <blindcoder> which don't need to do _anything_ with filesystems _at_ _all_
[16:36] <th> i took 10 minutes to inspect the current rockinitrd before i decided to just put a quick initramfs together with gen_init_cpio
[16:36] <blindcoder> in fact I even have a plugin here to activate both LCD and CRT outputs on my laptop
[16:36] <blindcoder> hardly a filesystem thing
[16:37] <blindcoder> I agree that we should move to initramfs if the kernel is going to drop initrd anytime soon
[16:38] <th> i dont think that it is.
[16:38] <th> i'm talking about mkinitrd.sh
[16:38] <th> initrdfs="cramfs"
[16:38] <th> ramdisk_size=8192
[16:39] <th> that's just not necessary with initramfs - and i'm not sure if adding another option to rockinitrd to create cpio is the best option
[16:39] <th> the mkinitramfs thing is so small - compared to this
[16:39] <blindcoder> btw: http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Rock_InitRD_Concept
[16:39] <blindcoder> th: well, the selection between filesystems is stf's thingie
[16:40] <blindcoder> if it was me I'd just add squashfs to the kernel for _all_ distributions and use that
[16:40] <th> the whole copying of /etc/conf/kernel is just not needed
[16:40] <th> emit_udev_events()  that's just obsolete
[16:41] <blindcoder> then the size and fs-type are equally of no concern
[16:41] <th> echo "loading kernel modules"
[16:41] <th> . /etc/conf/kernel
[16:41] <th> obsolete again
[16:42] <th> i dont want to offend in any way... i just thought it might be interesting for some people to see what i did for mkinitramfs
[16:46] <blindcoder> well, i haven't had a look at udev in a long time, it's just changing too fast for me to keep up
[16:47] <blindcoder> when I created the code (which isn't the current code) it was the accurate way of handling things
[16:50] <th> yea
[16:51] <blindcoder> so
[16:51] <blindcoder> udevd --daemon
[16:51] <blindcoder> udevtrigger
[16:51] <blindcoder> udevsettle
[16:51] <blindcoder> does all udev stuff and module loading?
[16:51] <th> yes
[16:51] <blindcoder> hardware-autodetection?
[16:51] <th> yes
[16:51] <th> well half of the job does depmod
[16:52] <th> by creating the modules.* files
[16:52] <th> modules.alias
[16:52] <th> maps pci-id's to module names
[16:52] <th> so you can do "modprobe MY_PCI_ID"
[16:52] <th> and you get the corresponding module loaded
[16:52] <th> so the task for udev is easy
[16:52] <blindcoder> okay, let me just finish encrypting my harddisk
[16:54] <th> i wont hold you back
[16:54] <blindcoder> yes, but do I have to write that modprobe stuff somewhere?
[16:54] <blindcoder> will udev automatically load my USB modules when I plug something in?
[16:54] <th> which stuf?
[16:54] <th> i think so
[16:54] <blindcoder> my nvidia module? centrino-wlan? PCI-Ethernet at least?
[16:55] <th> if you nvidia module is listed in your /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias file. then yes
[16:55] <th> s/you/your/
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[16:59] <blindcoder> sweet
[16:59] <blindcoder> okay, I'll try to put this stuff into the current initrd and remove the rest
[17:00] <blindcoder> what about putting squashfs into the kernel by default?
[17:04] <th> why?
[17:04] <blindcoder> to get rid of fstype="..." and initrdsize="8192"
[17:05] <th> well i've no squashfs in kernel and no fstype="..."
[17:06] <blindcoder> 16:33 < th> initrdfs="cramfs"
[17:06] <blindcoder> 16:33 < th> ramdisk_size=8192
[17:07] <th> yes?
[17:07] <blindcoder> we could probably get rid of that using squashfs
[17:07] <blindcoder> then again... maybe not
[17:07] <th> we can get rid of it without squashfs
[17:08] <th> we dont need ANY filesystem
[17:09] <blindcoder> yes, for initramfs we don't
[17:09] <th> exactly
[17:10] <blindcoder> I would like to keep the current plugin-system, though
[17:10] <th> i'm not pushing you to remove anything, am i?
[17:11] <blindcoder> I'm not saying that :P
[17:11] <th> good ;)
[17:13] <blindcoder> btw, your mkinitramfs.sh still need root-access
[17:16] <th> no
[17:16] <th> only if you want to put it to a location where you are not allowed to write
[17:17] <th> like if you dont change the default outfile location and your /boot is write protected
[17:17] <blindcoder> running depmod?
[17:17] <th> you need root for that?
[17:17] <blindcoder> ./build-list.sh: line 10: depmod: command not found
[17:17] <blindcoder> mkinitramfs.sh: line 79: /boot/initramfs-2.6.15.1-rock.cpio.gz: Permission denied
[17:17] <th> it's only enumerating through a directory
[17:17] <th> blindcoder: specify another outfile location
[17:17] <th> or get yourself write access to your /boot
[17:18] <blindcoder> still: ./build-list.sh: line 10: depmod: command not found
[17:18] <th> mkinitramfs.sh --help
[17:18] <th> mkinitramfs [ -r KERNEL_VERSION ] [ -m MODULES_DIR ] [ -o OUTPUT_FILE ]
[17:18] <th> If no options are given the following defaults apply:
[17:18] <th> mkinitramfs -r 2.6.12.6 -m /lib/modules/2.6.12.6 -o /boot/initramfs-2.6.12.6.cpio.gz
[17:18] <th> bash ./mkinitramfs.sh -o /tmp/foo
[17:18] <th> ...
[17:18] <blindcoder> /sbin/depmod
[17:18] <blindcoder> that's not in a normal users path
[17:18] <th> what's the problem with depmod?
[17:19] <blindcoder> it's in /sbin/
[17:19] <th> ok - so i'll make /sbin part of PATH in mkinitramfs
[17:20] <th> export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
[17:20] <th> thanks for reporting. it's fixed
[17:21] <th> i propably did not notice because i have it in my path
[17:21] <th> blindcoder: please try to run "bash ./mkinitramfs.sh -o /tmp/foo"   and tell me that you DONT need root privs
[17:24] <blindcoder> th: I don't need for that
[17:24] <th> good
[17:25] <th> so you propably see that your "< blindcoder> btw, your mkinitramfs.sh still need root-access" does not hold true, correct?
[17:26] <blindcoder> it almost does :)
[17:26] <th> nope.
[17:26] <blindcoder> anyway, AFAICS gen_init_cpio only creates a normal CPIO file
[17:26] <th> what's the problem with a normal cpio file?
[17:27] <blindcoder> so we can basically do the same with 'cpio -o < <( find ) > /boot/initramfs'
[17:27] <th> i doubt that.
[17:27] <th> try to add a device node like that
[17:27] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:~/tmp# ll dev/
[17:27] <blindcoder> total 0
[17:27] <blindcoder> crw-------  1 root root 5, 1 Apr 21 17:15 console
[17:27] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:~/tmp# cpio -t < /boot/foo | grep console
[17:27] <blindcoder> dev/console
[17:28] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:~/tmp/tmp# cpio --no-absolute-filenames -i < /boot/foo
[17:28] <blindcoder> 58655 blocks
[17:28] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:~/tmp/tmp# ll dev/
[17:28] <blindcoder> total 0
[17:28] <blindcoder> crw-------  1 root root 5, 1 Apr 21 17:22 console
[17:28] <blindcoder> /boot/foo was created like this
[17:29] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:~/tmp# cpio -c -o < <( find ) > /boot/foo
[17:29] <th> cpio: .: truncating inode number
[17:29] <th> cpio: null: truncating inode number
[17:30] <blindcoder> root@fuzzy:~/tmp# mine -q cpio
[17:30] <blindcoder> cpio 2.6 0
[17:30] <th> i see quite some advantages in gen_init_cpio:
[17:30] <th> it's promised to be compatible with linux kernel
[17:30] <th> we dont need root privs
[17:30] <th> we dont need cpio
[17:31] <th> lemme emerge a more recent cpio
[17:31] <blindcoder> I just wonder how to translate the current /etc/conf/initrd/initrd_* files
[17:32] <th> bye doing sed 's/\(.*\)/echo file \1 0755 0 0/' ?
[17:33] <th> and putting them in build.d
[17:34] <th> well
[17:35] <th> might be easier to add them like done in build.d/05-bins
[17:35] <blindcoder> I'd favor them like this:
[17:35] <blindcoder> while read file ; do stat <bla> $file ; echo <correct output> ; done < /etc/conf/initrd/initrd_*
[17:36] <th> have you seen 05-bins?
[17:36] <blindcoder> just looking at it
[17:36] <th> perhaps there is a >>> test -z "`which $x`" <<< missing
[17:36] <blindcoder> 0755 might not always be correct
[17:37] <blindcoder> it will work, but I'd prefer my config files not to be executable :)
[17:37] <th> well 05-bins is for binaries.
[17:37] <th> 06-conf or something could have 0644 or something
[17:37] <blindcoder> yeah, but /etc/conf/initrd/initrd_* doesn't contain just executables
[17:37] <blindcoder> and I'm quite fond of the format those files have
[17:38] <th> the gen_init_cpio format is almost the same
[17:38] <blindcoder> anyway, I think I have a good view on how to create the initramfs
[17:38] <th> but it contains filetype, permission, and ownership
[17:38] <blindcoder> I'll merge the rockinitrd with your mkinitramfs and see what happens :)
[17:39] <blindcoder> in turn I'd like you to apply 2006031713044803603 later
[17:41] <th> in turn??
[17:41] <blindcoder> :)
[17:41] <th> i'm not in your death or something?
[17:41] <blindcoder> I sure hope not :)
[17:41] <th> cool then ;)
[17:42] <th> well we could move rockinitrd back to blindcoder and add mkinitramfs to base ;-) haha
[17:42] <th> then i'll apply just anything - cause it's public/personal :-)
[17:43] <th> oh that is recreating initrd from inside it
[17:44] <blindcoder> or we could just dump rockinitrd when rockinitramfs is done
[17:47] <daja77> omg sometimes i hate myself
[17:47] <blindcoder> rest assured, so do we :)
[17:47] <th> hmm?
[17:47] <th> how rude
[17:48] <blindcoder> stop taking everything so serious today
[17:48] <daja77> i just created a nice image for diploma, and on they way i destroyed all the data i needed to create it, or well i lost them
[17:48] <daja77> like i have been on drugs
[17:48] <th> blindcoder: you just needed some serious treating ;)
[17:49] <daja77> just i don#t remember any drugs, apart from coffeine
[17:51] Action: blindcoder goes to watch his lava lamp then
[17:53] <blindcoder> th: what is /sbin/vol_id?
[17:53] <blindcoder> th: it seems to be missing from my current initrd
[17:54] <th> blindcoder: that's a udev helper
[17:54] <th> blindcoder: but it should be in /lib/udev
[17:54] <daja77> sounds like an afs program
[17:54] <daja77> <- off
[17:54] <th> cya daja77 
[17:55] <blindcoder> udevd-event[1675]: run_program: exec of program `/sbin/vol_id` failed
[17:55] <blindcoder> will look at that later then
[17:55] <th> blindcoder: have you applied 2006041801092016294?
[17:55] <th> see http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/mkinitramfs.txt
[17:55] <blindcoder> bye daja77 
[17:56] <blindcoder> hmm, I don't think so
[17:57] <th> see http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/mkinitramfs.txt then
[17:57] <th> and fix your udev by doing this.
[17:57] <blindcoder> will do
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[19:50] <blindcoder> *ARGH*
[19:50] <blindcoder> cpio extracted its stuff into / !!!!!!!
[19:56] <icelbox> hehe
[19:56] <blindcoder> that's not funny
[19:57] <blindcoder> my fstab is gone >_<
[20:00] <icelbox> save early, save often...
[20:31] <blindcoder> the fstab was done ages ago
[20:34] <icelbox> hmmm, good that I am doing a full backup every 1st of the month ^^
[20:49] <blindcoder> not on this machine, i'm afraid :(
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