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[05:07] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-04f71b580e5fe556) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:13] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-dfc4822b5f190136) joined #rocklinux. [05:20] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-dfc4822b5f190136) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:26] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-58833e84cb3f3ef3) joined #rocklinux. [06:40] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994969.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [07:10] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994969.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "http://www.bomberclone.de" [09:34] <blindcoder> moin [09:43] <esden> moin [09:45] <blindcoder> oh look, it's an esden :D [10:00] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-58833e84cb3f3ef3) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:05] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-274f7b84f358e26e) joined #rocklinux. [10:06] <th> 14:03:35 < netrunner> maybe it was p3 that made my build fail so early? [10:06] <th> 14:03:46 < th> i can give that a try [10:06] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/teha/crystal_pentium3-j20060429.iso [10:06] <th> no issues [10:08] <th> stf^rocklinux: that image is with fixed perl-priority. manpages fixed. [11:06] <netrunner> th: thx. will try to restart the build, don't know what is wrong there. [11:06] <netrunner> th: I assume you build with gcc40 now? [11:07] <th> yes [11:07] <th> as it is the standard compiler [11:12] <netrunner> can anyone recommend a 3d card for gaming that is also usable under linux? [11:23] <netrunner> hm. probably too expensive ... will stick to xtris :) [11:23] <blindcoder> any nvidia [11:23] <blindcoder> you get gforce fx 5700 for around 80 eur [11:35] IlluminateS (n=admin@217.7.158.194) joined #rocklinux. [11:39] IlluminateS (n=admin@217.7.158.194) left irc: Client Quit [11:51] <netrunner> blindcoder: I thought about getting oblivion ... sounds cool. [11:58] <th> netrunner: dont get the 5700 then ;-) [12:01] <netrunner> th: yeah :) [12:01] <th> but it runs ok on the 6800GT [12:02] <th> but i guess the processor is very important too [12:02] <netrunner> th: ah, you play it? wine? win? [12:02] <th> netrunner: gf plays it on dedicated windows gaming box [12:02] <netrunner> ah. [12:02] <th> from time to time i'm asking to kill the big bad boys ;) [12:02] <th> s/asking/asked/ [12:40] <blindcoder> re [12:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: get www.galciv2.com instead :D [12:46] <th> does this run on linux? [12:48] <blindcoder> 3/5 stars [12:49] <blindcoder> you can install it with both wine and cedega, but fonts won't work [12:49] <daja77> the demo did not .. [12:49] <th> transgaming database as no info [12:49] <th> only popularity rating [12:49] <daja77> haha the installer is the bit that is always working .. [12:49] <daja77> btw no new wine release for more than one week [12:50] <daja77> but the kernel is at 2.6.16.12 [12:50] <blindcoder> daja77: you can even run it and play, but there will be no text [12:50] <blindcoder> blindcoder@ceres:~$ uname -r [12:50] <blindcoder> 2.6.11.9-rock [12:50] <blindcoder> really? :) [12:51] <daja77> blindcoder: sounds really useful .. [12:52] <th> would it run in vmware? ;) [12:52] <blindcoder> daja77: my system works, thus I see no reason to do anything funny to it [12:52] <blindcoder> th: how fast is direct3d in vmware? [12:53] <th> does it even exist? [12:53] <blindcoder> yes, software rendering works [13:26] ringo (n=info@ip565668e1.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) joined #rocklinux. [13:29] <ringo> moin [13:39] <daja77> moin ringo [13:48] <ringo> hi daja77 ! All ok ? [13:49] <daja77> 1yep [13:54] <ringo> Nice to hear! [13:58] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-274f7b84f358e26e) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:58] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-75613563b851466c) joined #rocklinux. [14:00] <stf^rocklinux> <th> stf^rocklinux: that image is with fixed perl-priority. manpages fixed. <- nice :) [14:01] <stf^rocklinux> <netrunner> can anyone recommend a 3d card for gaming that is also usable under linux? [14:04] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: Ati based cards work quite well, only the drivers are a bit more complicated to setup than nvidia ones, imho. [14:04] <th> stf^rocklinux: i'm waiting for the fixes for the ":legacy" issues (directories) you noticed. then i'll rebuild and do a full test for a commit [14:08] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'll take a look at the source code... [14:14] <SMP> gah. crypto-bullshit [14:17] <th> hmm? [14:23] <SMP> should hit the mailing-list any minute [14:31] <blindcoder> re [14:36] <ringo> re blindcoder [15:20] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-00a328d3d61f635a) joined #rocklinux. [15:21] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-75613563b851466c) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:21] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [15:27] <stf^rocklinux> SMP: which mailing list? [15:31] <SMP> rock-devel -- but I guess my mail needs moderator approval because I used an address different from the one I'm subscribed with [15:48] ringo (n=info@ip565668e1.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) left irc: [15:53] <stf^rocklinux> SMP: I could forward it if you don't want to wait. [15:54] <stf^rocklinux> th: hotfixes for mine and getfiles.c are in 2006050215422613910 [15:55] <stf^rocklinux> th: apply it in addition to the other patches [16:05] <SMP> stf^rocklinux: nah, thanks, it'll work out soon enough [16:05] <fake> moin [16:05] <daja77> hi fake [16:05] <fake> stf^rocklinux: didn't you work on the binary package repository things in rocket? [16:06] <fake> root@localhost:~# rocket update [16:06] <fake> Checking http://cruisecontrol.hpc.at/moabox-pkgs/ (md5) ... [16:06] <fake> Processing http___cruisecontrol.hpc.at_moabox-pkgs_ ... [16:06] <fake> gunzip: stdin: not in gzip format [16:06] <fake> ? [16:10] <th> stf^rocklinux: [16:10] <th> -+. if (stat(realfilename, &statbuf) != 0) [16:10] <th> ++. if (stat(realfilename, &statbuf) != 0 || S_ISDIR(statbuf.st_mode)) [16:10] <th> shouldnt that be an lstat as well? [16:14] <fake> hrmpf [16:15] <daja77> fake: that url is not reachable, but that might be intentionally [16:15] <fake> daja77: yes, sure [16:16] <fake> daja77: i found the problem [16:16] <fake> daja77: packages.db needs to be supplied as a 3rd argument in a line in rocket.conf if the repository is remote [16:16] <daja77> ic [16:16] <daja77> fake: btw i still got no reply [16:18] <fake> daja77: grrrrrrr.... [16:21] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, that should also use lstat [16:21] <th> stf^rocklinux: any stat should be lstat, no? [16:21] <stf^rocklinux> th: ack [16:21] <th> k [16:22] <th> stf^rocklinux: have you tested the $topic iso? [16:23] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, in qemu, started KDE, nothing unusual... [16:23] <th> k. so i'll use that as test [16:29] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [16:40] <th> fake: will do an apply round soon? [16:45] <th> hmmm crystal is our example distribution. shouldn't we show how to set an optimization with this example? thus making non-generic default here? [16:49] <stf^rocklinux> you mean a non-generic CPU optimization? [16:49] <th> yes [16:50] <stf^rocklinux> I prefer defaults that are set to 'If you don't know what to say here, use the default' [16:53] <fake> th: not me [16:53] <th> fake: what's with your journal? [16:53] <fake> th: but my latest 'fakes journal' was fine [16:53] <fake> th: i don't have time atm... [16:53] <fake> th: i'll go on vacation tomorrow, you know what people are like when you leave the next day [16:53] <th> fake: i consider some patches a nice-to-have [16:53] <stf^rocklinux> and generic cpu opt is the most compatible choice, I presume :) [16:54] <th> fake: yea i know [16:54] <th> stf^rocklinux: perhaps i should just build generic iso's then [16:54] <th> fake: so you propably wont object if i apply some few of then [16:54] <th> s/then$/them/ [16:55] <fake> the :legacy packages are hot [16:55] <stf^rocklinux> th: pentium-mmx is better :) few people really use older hardware nowadays, I guess [16:55] <fake> th: nope, go ahead! [16:55] <th> fake: hot in what means? [16:55] <fake> p-mmx is kinda default [16:55] <th> stf^rocklinux: so you'd agree to change from generic to pmmx? [16:55] <fake> th: hot as in nice-to-have [16:55] <th> fake: so you'd agree to change from generic to pmmx? [16:56] <th> fake: yea - i already committed it [16:56] <fake> of course. generic is 486 anyways [16:56] <stf^rocklinux> th: yeah, that'd be a useful default [16:56] <th> fake: with the needed s/stat/lstat/ fixes and latest stf-candy ;) [16:56] <fake> rock0rs [16:56] <fake> i'll write a scriptable installer some time soon... [16:56] <th> YES [16:57] <fake> ... paid work, wee ;) [16:57] <th> fake: will it be usable without scripting it as well? [16:57] <fake> it will use stone modules. [16:57] <stf^rocklinux> fake: afaik generic is 386, only glibc is built for 486 if NPTL support is enable [16:57] <stf^rocklinux> d [16:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: and the kernel is built for 486 [16:57] <th> fake: i'd like to discuss with you about it [16:58] <fake> th: sure thing, we can set up a small teamspeak/SIP meeting [16:58] <fake> _after_ i return from my vacation, of course ;) [16:58] <th> fake: i'd prefer some IAX thing if you have the time for it [16:58] <fake> sure [16:58] <th> cool [16:59] <daja77> fake: where are you going to? [17:00] <fake> daja77: to ingolstadt [17:00] <daja77> no place like 127.0.0.1 ;) [17:02] <stf^rocklinux> fake: do you know if clifford is back online? [17:06] <th> damn [17:06] <th> where do i set a default config option for a target? [17:06] <th> target/foo/config.in? [17:07] <th> perhaps preconfig [17:07] <stf^rocklinux> yes, add ROCKCFGSET_*= to change a default value [17:07] <th> i tried that [17:08] <th> ROCKCFGSET_X86_OPT='pentium-mmx' [17:08] <th> no effect [17:09] <fake> th: see livecd config.in [17:09] <fake> th: iirc, i did that there [17:09] <th> yea it's as stf proposes and as i tried it [17:10] <th> does not work with X86_OPT [17:11] <fake> hm... [17:12] <th> and the epiam target uses it. and it does _not_ work [17:16] <stf^rocklinux> th: I presume this is because ROCKCFG_X86_OPT is defined in architecture/x86/config.in which is evaluated before target/*/config.in... [17:16] <stf^rocklinux> see http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Configuration_System#config.in_Call-Tree [17:16] <th> so it never worked before? [17:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe, not on variables set by architecture/*/config.in that is [17:21] <stf^rocklinux> bbl (going jogging) [17:23] <th> fake: btw did you test my mkinitramfs? [18:14] <netrunner> th: I haven't built the epia target for a while now. [18:50] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994969.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:56] <netrunner> th: I just read the 6800GT can be upgraded to a 1400Euro more expensive model (price as of '04) by moving 4 resistors :) [19:56] <th> well that's stupid [19:56] <th> you're propably talking of making it a quadro [19:56] <netrunner> yes [19:56] <th> well you can make it look like one of course. [19:57] <th> but what you pay for quadro cards is that they performed very well in tests [19:57] <th> so basically the hardware is the same [19:57] <th> so they perform tests [19:57] <th> and upon the results they either make it a quadro or not. [19:57] <netrunner> hehe :) [19:57] <th> and now some uber-smart guys can MAKE a quadro from a non quadro? [19:58] <netrunner> http://www.pcwelt.de/know-how/hardware/108514/index.html [20:03] <stf^rocklinux> th: c't reported that some PIII-300 would run stable at up to at 450 MHz, so it's much of a game of fortune... [20:03] <stf^rocklinux> let them burn their hardware if they wish ^^ [20:03] <th> stf^rocklinux: this was not about overclocking. [20:04] <th> it was more like faking a hardware id i guess [20:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: activating piplines or the like? Haven't read the details... [20:05] <th> stf^rocklinux: i'm not sure. [23:40] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:40] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:46] <daja77> ah the source is out now [00:00] --- Wed May 3 2006