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[09:34] <blindcoder> moin
[09:43] <esden> moin
[09:45] <blindcoder> oh look, it's an esden :D
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[10:06] <th> 14:03:35 < netrunner> maybe it was p3 that made my build fail so early?
[10:06] <th> 14:03:46 < th> i can give that a try
[10:06] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/teha/crystal_pentium3-j20060429.iso
[10:06] <th> no issues
[10:08] <th> stf^rocklinux: that image is with fixed perl-priority. manpages fixed.
[11:06] <netrunner> th: thx. will try to restart the build, don't know what is wrong there.
[11:06] <netrunner> th: I assume you build with gcc40 now?
[11:07] <th> yes
[11:07] <th> as it is the standard compiler
[11:12] <netrunner> can anyone recommend a 3d card for gaming that is also usable under linux?
[11:23] <netrunner> hm. probably too expensive ... will stick to xtris :)
[11:23] <blindcoder> any nvidia
[11:23] <blindcoder> you get gforce fx 5700 for around 80 eur
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[11:51] <netrunner> blindcoder: I thought about getting oblivion ... sounds cool.
[11:58] <th> netrunner: dont get the 5700 then ;-)
[12:01] <netrunner> th: yeah :)
[12:01] <th> but it runs ok on the 6800GT
[12:02] <th> but i guess the processor is very important too
[12:02] <netrunner> th: ah, you play it? wine? win?
[12:02] <th> netrunner: gf plays it on dedicated windows gaming box
[12:02] <netrunner> ah.
[12:02] <th> from time to time i'm asking to kill the big bad boys ;)
[12:02] <th> s/asking/asked/
[12:40] <blindcoder> re
[12:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: get www.galciv2.com instead :D
[12:46] <th> does this run on linux?
[12:48] <blindcoder> 3/5 stars
[12:49] <blindcoder> you can install it with both wine and cedega, but fonts won't work
[12:49] <daja77> the demo did not ..
[12:49] <th> transgaming database as no info
[12:49] <th> only popularity rating
[12:49] <daja77> haha the installer is the bit that is always working ..
[12:49] <daja77> btw no new wine release for more than one week
[12:50] <daja77> but the kernel is at 2.6.16.12
[12:50] <blindcoder> daja77: you can even run it and play, but there will be no text
[12:50] <blindcoder> blindcoder@ceres:~$ uname -r
[12:50] <blindcoder> 2.6.11.9-rock
[12:50] <blindcoder> really? :)
[12:51] <daja77> blindcoder: sounds really useful ..
[12:52] <th> would it run in vmware? ;)
[12:52] <blindcoder> daja77: my system works, thus I see no reason to do anything funny to it
[12:52] <blindcoder> th: how fast is direct3d in vmware?
[12:53] <th> does it even exist?
[12:53] <blindcoder> yes, software rendering works
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[13:29] <ringo> moin
[13:39] <daja77> moin ringo 
[13:48] <ringo> hi daja77 ! All ok ? 
[13:49] <daja77> 1yep
[13:54] <ringo> Nice to hear! 
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[14:00] <stf^rocklinux> <th> stf^rocklinux: that image is with fixed perl-priority. manpages fixed. <- nice :)
[14:01] <stf^rocklinux> <netrunner> can anyone recommend a 3d card for gaming that is also usable under linux?
[14:04] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: Ati based cards work quite well, only the drivers are a bit more complicated to setup than nvidia ones, imho.
[14:04] <th> stf^rocklinux: i'm waiting for the fixes for the ":legacy" issues (directories) you noticed. then i'll rebuild and do a full test for a commit
[14:08] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'll take a look at the source code...
[14:14] <SMP> gah. crypto-bullshit
[14:17] <th> hmm?
[14:23] <SMP> should hit the mailing-list any minute
[14:31] <blindcoder> re
[14:36] <ringo> re blindcoder
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[15:27] <stf^rocklinux> SMP: which mailing list?
[15:31] <SMP> rock-devel -- but I guess my mail needs moderator approval because I used an address different from the one I'm subscribed with
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[15:53] <stf^rocklinux> SMP: I could forward it if you don't want to wait.
[15:54] <stf^rocklinux> th: hotfixes for mine and getfiles.c are in 2006050215422613910
[15:55] <stf^rocklinux> th: apply it in addition to the other patches
[16:05] <SMP> stf^rocklinux: nah, thanks, it'll work out soon enough
[16:05] <fake> moin
[16:05] <daja77> hi fake 
[16:05] <fake> stf^rocklinux: didn't you work on the binary package repository things in rocket?
[16:06] <fake> root@localhost:~# rocket update
[16:06] <fake> Checking http://cruisecontrol.hpc.at/moabox-pkgs/ (md5) ...
[16:06] <fake> Processing http___cruisecontrol.hpc.at_moabox-pkgs_ ...
[16:06] <fake> gunzip: stdin: not in gzip format
[16:06] <fake> ?
[16:10] <th> stf^rocklinux: 
[16:10] <th> -+. if (stat(realfilename, &statbuf) != 0)
[16:10] <th> ++. if (stat(realfilename, &statbuf) != 0 || S_ISDIR(statbuf.st_mode))
[16:10] <th> shouldnt that be an lstat as well?
[16:14] <fake> hrmpf
[16:15] <daja77> fake: that url is not reachable, but that might be intentionally
[16:15] <fake> daja77: yes, sure
[16:16] <fake> daja77: i found the problem
[16:16] <fake> daja77: packages.db needs to be supplied as a 3rd argument in a line in rocket.conf if the repository is remote
[16:16] <daja77> ic
[16:16] <daja77> fake: btw i still got no reply
[16:18] <fake> daja77: grrrrrrr....
[16:21] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, that should also use lstat
[16:21] <th> stf^rocklinux: any stat should be lstat, no?
[16:21] <stf^rocklinux> th: ack
[16:21] <th> k
[16:22] <th> stf^rocklinux: have you tested the $topic iso?
[16:23] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, in qemu, started KDE, nothing unusual...
[16:23] <th> k. so i'll use that as test
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[16:40] <th> fake: will do an apply round soon?
[16:45] <th> hmmm crystal is our example distribution. shouldn't we show how to set an optimization with this example? thus making non-generic default here?
[16:49] <stf^rocklinux> you mean a non-generic CPU optimization?
[16:49] <th> yes
[16:50] <stf^rocklinux> I prefer defaults that are set to 'If you don't know what to say here, use the default'
[16:53] <fake> th: not me
[16:53] <th> fake: what's with your journal?
[16:53] <fake> th: but my latest 'fakes journal' was fine
[16:53] <fake> th: i don't have time atm...
[16:53] <fake> th: i'll go on vacation tomorrow, you know what people are like when you leave the next day
[16:53] <th> fake: i consider some patches a nice-to-have
[16:53] <stf^rocklinux> and generic cpu opt is the most compatible choice, I presume :)
[16:54] <th> fake: yea i know
[16:54] <th> stf^rocklinux: perhaps i should just build generic iso's then
[16:54] <th> fake: so you propably wont object if i apply some few of then
[16:54] <th> s/then$/them/
[16:55] <fake> the :legacy packages are hot
[16:55] <stf^rocklinux> th: pentium-mmx is better :) few people really use older hardware nowadays, I guess
[16:55] <fake> th: nope, go ahead!
[16:55] <th> fake: hot in what means?
[16:55] <fake> p-mmx is kinda default
[16:55] <th> stf^rocklinux: so you'd agree to change from generic to pmmx?
[16:55] <fake> th: hot as in nice-to-have
[16:55] <th> fake: so you'd agree to change from generic to pmmx?
[16:56] <th> fake: yea - i already committed it
[16:56] <fake> of course. generic is 486 anyways
[16:56] <stf^rocklinux> th: yeah, that'd be a useful default
[16:56] <th> fake: with the needed s/stat/lstat/ fixes and latest stf-candy ;)
[16:56] <fake> rock0rs
[16:56] <fake> i'll write a scriptable installer some time soon...
[16:56] <th> YES
[16:57] <fake> ... paid work, wee ;)
[16:57] <th> fake: will it be usable without scripting it as well?
[16:57] <fake> it will use stone modules.
[16:57] <stf^rocklinux> fake: afaik generic is 386, only glibc is built for 486 if NPTL support is enable
[16:57] <stf^rocklinux> d
[16:57] <fake> stf^rocklinux: and the kernel is built for 486
[16:57] <th> fake: i'd like to discuss with you about it
[16:58] <fake> th: sure thing, we can set up a small teamspeak/SIP meeting
[16:58] <fake> _after_ i return from my vacation, of course ;)
[16:58] <th> fake: i'd prefer some IAX thing if you have the time for it
[16:58] <fake> sure
[16:58] <th> cool
[16:59] <daja77> fake: where are you going to?
[17:00] <fake> daja77: to ingolstadt
[17:00] <daja77> no place like 127.0.0.1 ;)
[17:02] <stf^rocklinux> fake: do you know if clifford is back online?
[17:06] <th> damn
[17:06] <th> where do i set a default config option for a target?
[17:06] <th> target/foo/config.in?
[17:07] <th> perhaps preconfig
[17:07] <stf^rocklinux> yes, add ROCKCFGSET_*= to change a default value
[17:07] <th> i tried that
[17:08] <th> ROCKCFGSET_X86_OPT='pentium-mmx'
[17:08] <th> no effect
[17:09] <fake> th: see livecd config.in
[17:09] <fake> th: iirc, i did that there
[17:09] <th> yea it's as stf proposes and as i tried it
[17:10] <th> does not work with X86_OPT
[17:11] <fake> hm...
[17:12] <th> and the epiam target uses it. and it does _not_ work
[17:16] <stf^rocklinux> th: I presume this is because ROCKCFG_X86_OPT is defined in architecture/x86/config.in which is evaluated before target/*/config.in...
[17:16] <stf^rocklinux> see http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Configuration_System#config.in_Call-Tree
[17:16] <th> so it never worked before?
[17:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe, not on variables set by architecture/*/config.in that is
[17:21] <stf^rocklinux> bbl (going jogging)
[17:23] <th> fake: btw did you test my mkinitramfs?
[18:14] <netrunner> th: I haven't built the epia target for a while now.
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[19:56] <netrunner> th: I just read the 6800GT can be upgraded to a 1400Euro more expensive model (price as of '04) by moving 4 resistors :)
[19:56] <th> well that's stupid
[19:56] <th> you're propably talking of making it a quadro
[19:56] <netrunner> yes
[19:56] <th> well you can make it look like one of course.
[19:57] <th> but what you pay for quadro cards is that they performed very well in tests
[19:57] <th> so basically the hardware is the same
[19:57] <th> so they perform tests
[19:57] <th> and upon the results they either make it a quadro or not.
[19:57] <netrunner> hehe :)
[19:57] <th> and now some uber-smart guys can MAKE a quadro from a non quadro?
[19:58] <netrunner> http://www.pcwelt.de/know-how/hardware/108514/index.html
[20:03] <stf^rocklinux> th: c't reported that some PIII-300 would run stable at up to at 450 MHz, so it's much of a game of fortune...
[20:03] <stf^rocklinux> let them burn their hardware if they wish ^^
[20:03] <th> stf^rocklinux: this was not about overclocking.
[20:04] <th> it was more like faking a hardware id i guess
[20:04] <stf^rocklinux> th: activating piplines or the like? Haven't read the details...
[20:05] <th> stf^rocklinux: i'm not sure.
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[23:46] <daja77> ah the source is out now
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