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[09:55] mnemoc (n=amery@216.241.24.10) returned to #rocklinux. [10:04] fake (n=fake@rapidnetworks.de) got lost in the net-split. [10:04] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-034-82.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) got lost in the net-split. [10:06] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-034-82.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:11] <blindcoder> th: ping [11:13] <th> blindcoder: pong [11:14] <th> what's up? [11:14] <blindcoder> th: you got any idea about the isseo on rock-user? [11:15] <th> i did not read it yet [11:16] <th> From: Tuan Anh TRINH <trinhtuan@gmail.com> [11:16] <th> this one? [11:16] <blindcoder> yes [11:17] <blindcoder> brb, shopping for lunch [11:17] <blindcoder> away brb [11:20] <th> i requested more info [11:55] <netrunner> since when do I have write access? Last Changed Author: netrunner [11:55] <netrunner> :) [11:56] <th> you dont need to have write access to be stored in the svn log property ;) [11:56] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's being done for a long time already [11:56] Action: netrunner always thougth all his breakages would be anonymous :) [11:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: clifford_ and me wrote a script to adapt the author field in svn [12:00] Action: netrunner decides to start sending patches only through tor [12:04] <blindcoder> and? [12:04] <blindcoder> you have to authenticate against submaster [12:36] Action: netrunner planning to buy a new computer ... hopefully with vanderpool [12:40] <blindcoder> vanderpool? [12:44] <stf^rocklinux> moin [12:48] <icelbox> blindcoder: hardwarevirtualization layer... basically two ring-0 instances [12:48] <blindcoder> ah [13:23] <netrunner> very cool, using xen you can have win and lin in parallel [13:23] <netrunner> but mainly I want a computer for gaming :) [13:26] <netrunner> why do I have so many config.foo.swp1234 lying around? [13:26] <netrunner> and in config/ there are many <config>.swp??? [13:27] <blindcoder> did you ^C ./scripts/Config a few times? [13:28] <netrunner> hm ... is Config also run as preparation of a build? [13:28] <netrunner> then yes. [13:28] <netrunner> reproducably, Config also aborts by itself if pressing a key during window change ... [13:29] <stf^rocklinux> netrunner: yeah :S [13:30] <netrunner> hm, I ask the campus roomfinder for the lecture hall of "intercultural communication" and he shows me the mens bathroom :) [13:31] <netrunner> th: I have now restarted my build without parallelization, maybe that is broken currently. [13:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: sounds right, I've hardly ever had _no_ conversation at the pissoir :) [13:33] <stf^rocklinux> bbl [13:44] <netrunner> this firefox starts to be annoying [13:47] <daja77_> yep [13:47] <netrunner> daja77_: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-May/015136.html [13:47] <daja77_> 1.5.0.4 iss planned for end of may [13:47] <netrunner> just to keep you busy :) [13:47] <daja77_> yeah already saw it [13:47] <daja77_> crap day [13:48] <blindcoder> daja77_: not so lazy :P [13:49] <daja77_> .oO (this happens when you say you want to hand in your diploma next week) [13:52] <daja77_> ah the getuid patch is already in [14:05] <netrunner> daja77_: need a proof-reader? [14:09] <daja77_> hm for the xorg one perhaps, just sent out the ff announcement [14:10] <netrunner> daja77_: I meant for your diploma thesis :) [14:10] <daja77_> ah ;) [14:10] <daja77_> thx [14:10] <daja77_> but not today ;) [14:16] <daja77_> ah yeah mysql update too >_< [15:25] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-e7a7d8ada0c47aae) joined #rocklinux. [15:25] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-00a328d3d61f635a) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:25] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [15:49] <daja77_> nice xorg built [15:55] <daja77_> GAA! [15:55] <daja77_> new php release too [16:52] <daja77_> w00t konqueror is not detected by google as non supported browser [17:35] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: has it ever been? [17:39] <daja77_> it should but I set it as mozilla, and it seems they accept that idea [17:39] <daja77_> that it is not really working is another thing [17:39] <daja77_> erh i mean googlemail, sry for confusion [17:41] <th> that reminds me of the rv-version in our old firefox ;) [17:41] <th> cause we set the variable $ver [17:41] <th> the version was wrong so gmail refused the browser [17:42] <th> hey cool r7579 compiled fine. [17:42] <th> vanilla build [17:42] <th> stf^rocklinux: with all the fixes [17:42] <daja77_> th: yes that's why i tried if it accepts the konqueror fake id ;) [17:43] <daja77_> btw have fun updateing ff ;) [17:43] <th> i thought you did that? [17:43] <daja77_> i could do announcement nr 4 if mysql would upload its release [17:44] <daja77_> yes sure I did, I mean on your boxes ;) [17:44] <th> oh well all last 3 revisions are security fixes of yours [17:44] <daja77_> iirc 1.5 was one too [17:45] <th> i'm talking of r7582 r7581 r7580 [17:45] <daja77_> as i said 1.5.0.4 is planned for end of may ... [17:45] <daja77_> ah [17:45] <daja77_> yes [17:45] <daja77_> busy day ... [17:45] <th> worth an update [17:45] <th> but let's update vanilla r7579 first. ;) [17:45] <daja77_> mysql is still pending [17:45] <th> yea i'll wait [17:46] <daja77_> they have release nodes for 4.1.19 but no files on teh mirrors [17:46] <daja77_> notes* [17:46] <daja77_> and the recommendation is to switch to 5.0.x anyway .. [17:57] SteffenP (i=steffen@p54994AC1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:34] eeos (n=eeos@86.53.50.16) joined #rocklinux. [18:34] <eeos> hi there! [18:35] <eeos> two questions here: is rock linux still active? where is it possible to find the list of packages in last stable (2.0.3)? [18:37] <daja77_> yes it is active [18:37] <daja77_> but don't use that "stable" release [18:39] <eeos> why? [18:40] <daja77_> because it is really old and has bugs nobody will fix for you [18:40] <daja77_> there is no development on the 2.0 tree anymore [18:40] <eeos> so, what is the last stable in reality? [18:40] <daja77_> you can try the iso that is in the topic [18:41] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: [18:41] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: topic is quite stable, it's based on latest ROCK sources (aka Development tree) [18:43] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: package list for the devel tree is here: https://www.rocklinux.net/packages/ [18:44] <eeos> I cannot find the kernle in the repository [18:44] <eeos> ? [18:45] <eeos> I am trying to understand how it works. [18:46] <stf^rocklinux> the kernel package is called linux, in the base repository [18:47] <stf^rocklinux> linux package is forked into kernel binary and kernel source packages (e.g. linux=linux26 and linux=linux26-source) [18:47] <eeos> argh [18:49] <stf^rocklinux> so to build the 2.6 kernel source, use e.g. `rocket emerge linux=linux26-source` [18:49] <th> new iso available [18:49] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: argh? [18:49] <eeos> ok [18:50] <eeos> yep, I was surfing around in the package tree to try to understand [18:50] #rocklinux: mode change '+o th' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:50] Topic changed on #rocklinux by th!n=th@montana.hbsn.de: https://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/vanilla/crystal-r7579.iso [18:50] #rocklinux: mode change '-o th' by th!n=th@montana.hbsn.de [18:50] <eeos> how is the support for commercial packages in rocklinux? [18:51] <eeos> for example SymLink modems [18:51] <eeos> ATI cards [18:51] <eeos> ? [18:51] <th> perfect. [18:51] <th> but you propably dont understand what i mean [18:52] <th> cause: [18:52] <th> rocklinux is not a distribution [18:52] <th> so "support" for such things above in the meaning of rocklinux would mean: is it possible to build a distribution which supports above. [18:52] <th> so the answer to this is: yes [18:52] <eeos> ah! [18:52] <th> rocklinux is a toolkit to build distributions [18:52] <stf^rocklinux> there's already the ati package containing the proprietary ati driver [18:53] <eeos> which measn that you have to compile everything in [18:53] <eeos> ok [18:53] <th> eeos: we have an example distribution [18:53] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: or download a prebuilt ISO image... [18:53] <th> eeos: which is called crystal. we release this in binary [18:53] <th> eeos: see $topic. this is a bootable crystal distribution cd [18:53] <eeos> then you use it for building the distribution [18:54] <th> yea or you just use it. [18:54] <th> crystal is an example. so it contains kde and stuff [18:54] <th> 3.5.2 [18:54] <th> koffice-1.5.0 [18:54] <eeos> good [18:54] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: it is a distribution :) you can use it to build other distros as well [18:54] <eeos> if I go for building a new distribution, do I start from the source packages? [18:55] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: download the ROCK sources, then use ./scripts/Config, ./scripts/Download and ./scripts/Build-Target [18:56] <eeos> thanks [18:56] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: in Config, you can see all the available build options and can add or remove packages to or from the 'build list' [18:57] <eeos> let's say there is a pacake which is not in the rock repository [18:57] <eeos> can I add it without any problem? [18:57] <th> yea that's easy [18:57] <stf^rocklinux> how to add packages is described in the manual available at rocklinux.org [18:57] <th> if this package is a `./configure&&make&&make install`-like package. than it's a one-liner [18:58] <stf^rocklinux> in fact it depends on the package... but for most packages it's straight-forward [18:58] <eeos> how does the installer manage dependencies? [18:59] <th> the _installer_ doesn't usually you want to install just all packages with it. [19:00] <th> but you can install a package with `mine` and generate print a dependency list [19:00] <th> so you can easily setup a shell script as you need [19:00] <stf^rocklinux> there's no handling of runtime dependencies atm. only of build-time dependencies [19:01] <eeos> so all the packages become indipendent? [19:01] <stf^rocklinux> most often runtime dependencies are (a subset of) build-time dependencies, so it's easy to meet them [19:02] <eeos> how do you manage dependecy from libraries? [19:02] <eeos> that have to be shared? [19:02] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: not for python packages ;) [19:02] <th> eeos: can you come up with an example? [19:03] <eeos> well, all kde based packages which depend on the qt libraries [19:03] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: you mean like shared library x requires shared library y to be installed? [19:03] <th> eeos: well rocklinux knows about that dependency because it is also a build-time dependency [19:04] <eeos> for example, or package x requires shared library y [19:04] <eeos> ah! [19:05] <eeos> interesting [19:05] <eeos> let's say I have built the dirstribution and I now have the package pack.tgz to install [19:05] <eeos> do I go config make make install? [19:06] <th> first you create a rock package from it. [19:06] <th> which is the information how it is built [19:06] <th> then you can Emerge-Pkg it [19:06] <stf^rocklinux> or rocket emerge it... [19:06] <th> Usage: [19:06] <th> ./misc/archive/newpackage.sh <option> package/repository/packagename Download_1 < Download_2, Download_n > [19:07] <th> so you do: bash ./misc/archive/newpackage.sh package/eeos/foobar https://foo.com/bar.tgz [19:07] <th> that's it [19:07] <th> then you might want to add some more info like. software description [19:07] <th> and licence information [19:07] <th> then you do `rocket emerge foobar` or `./scripts/Emerge-Pkg foobar` [19:08] <th> which downloads the source and builds [19:08] <th> after that you can create a binary package from it [19:08] <eeos> ah! I have to build a rock package [19:08] <eeos> similar to building a rpm src package [19:09] <th> but the rock-package does not contain the source [19:09] <th> it's downloaded from original location or a mirror [19:10] <eeos> ok [19:10] <eeos> I was thinking of the complexity of the operation [19:14] <eeos> how is hardware recognition? how is it managed? [19:14] <th> udev [19:15] <eeos> ok [19:16] <stf^rocklinux> there's also the hal (hardware abstraction layer) package [19:16] <eeos> ok [19:17] <blindcoder> re [19:18] <stf^rocklinux> module auto-loading can be done via hotplug, rockplug or hwscan [19:18] <eeos> rockplug? [19:19] <blindcoder> I don't suggest rockplug [19:19] <stf^rocklinux> eeos: a ROCK adaptation of hotplug afaik [19:19] <th> stf^rocklinux: well hotplug is called udev now. [19:19] <blindcoder> IIRC it hasn't been developed in a loooong time [19:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: udev doesn't auto-load modules... [19:20] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes it does!! [19:20] <stf^rocklinux> th: on my computer e.g. radeonfb is loaded, but sound and agp modules are not :( [19:21] <blindcoder> no it doesn't [19:21] <th> stf^rocklinux: the hotplug.rules file loads modules by pci-id [19:21] <th> copy https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/hotplug.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ [19:21] <th> i must admit it's not yet committed [19:21] <blindcoder> from the udev 090 FAQ [19:21] <blindcoder> Q: But udev will not automatically load a driver if a /dev node is opened [19:21] <blindcoder> when it is not present like devfs will do. [19:21] <blindcoder> A: Right, but Linux is supposed to load a module when a device is discovered [19:22] <blindcoder> not to load a module when it's accessed. [19:22] <th> blindcoder: exactly. [19:22] <th> blindcoder: so it loads the module when the device is discovered. [19:22] <th> blindcoder: which happens when the event is triggered [19:22] <blindcoder> ah, okay [19:22] <th> and then the rules in hotplug.rules load the apropriate module [19:22] <blindcoder> I misunderstood then [19:23] <th> it uses /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias to map e.g. pci-id's to module names [19:23] <th> i should really make a patch for the hotplug.rules [19:23] <th> i thought i already did and applied it. [19:23] <th> you dont need any hotplug/rockplug/hwscan any longer [19:23] <eeos> ok. Thanks for your help. Ihave to go! [19:24] <eeos> see you later. bye! [19:24] <th> bye [19:24] <stf^rocklinux> cu [19:24] <th> alias pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc03sc00i00* nvidia [19:24] <th> alias pci:v000010ECd00008029sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ne2k_pci [19:24] <th> so you can do "modprobe pci:v000010DEd*sv*sd*bc03sc00i00*" [19:24] eeos (n=eeos@86.53.50.16) left #rocklinux ("Hallo there."). [19:24] <th> and it will load your nvidia module [19:25] <stf^rocklinux> so devices are detected by the kernel even before the appropriate modules is loaded? [19:25] <th> and if your /sys has this device listed on your pci bus - then it will happen when the event is triggered [19:25] <th> stf^rocklinux: device detection is looking it up in /sys [19:25] <th> stf^rocklinux: just like using `lspci` [19:25] <th> then the module is loaded with that info [19:26] <stf^rocklinux> th: now that's far better than I suspected it to be :) [19:26] <th> stf^rocklinux: yea - as blindy says on a daily basis: "udev rocks" [19:27] <th> stf^rocklinux: so now i know that you did not look at https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/mkinitramfs.txt in detail ;) [19:27] <stf^rocklinux> th: I didn't even know it existed... [19:29] <stf^rocklinux> th: Now I remember... Well, you're right ;) [20:31] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-a86375d8ecc89101) joined #rocklinux. 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[20:42] <blindcoder> let me see [20:43] <blindcoder> I have had that in lvp recently [20:44] <blindcoder> seems I didn't commit it yet [20:44] Action: blindcoder powers up the build machine [20:45] <netrunner> wow :) [20:45] Action: netrunner was in the city today to get an offer for a new pc [20:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: gmp is the other [20:47] <netrunner> blindcoder: I also have 1-gmp.log [20:47] <blindcoder> humm [20:47] <blindcoder> then I don't know :) [20:47] <blindcoder> hmm [20:48] <blindcoder> strange [20:48] <blindcoder> I still don't have /dev/vc/* in lvp [20:48] <netrunner> there are many make.*Error.*ignored in 2-gcc40.log, is that normal? [20:50] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-a86375d8ecc89101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] blindcoder (n=blindcod@tor/session/external/x-782f221fc7418d34) joined #rocklinux. 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